胎教

SLI

How do you see this topic ? Do you believe in it ? Do you think it work ? What theories supporting this approach ?

Pls comment .

SLI           

DBBoy

Dear SLI

My answers to the questions raised by you are as follows (in the light of what I have read recently and my observation of the recent prenatal education advertising)

1. How do you see this topic?

This discussion is interesting and should continue based on reading and research on this subject.   

2.  Do you believe in it?

Yes, I do.  Based on materials that I have read on this subject so far.  I believe that a baby could be educated as soon as his/her senses are developed (i.e. sight, touch, taste, sound, hearing).  There has been much evidence that baby remembers the sound that they hear in the womb.  Those who are against this theory should perhaps state their opinion on where we should/could later draw that critical line.  1, 2, 3, 12, 24, 13, 18, 23, 17.5 months after birth???  All creatures learn through their senses, regardless.     

Do you think it work?

Yes, I do.  Search "prenatal learning, womb" etc. in google or yahoo and you will find research materials on the subject.  Whether it works or not depends on the method used coupled with our understand of the development of the baby in the womb.  Many parents confuse prenatal learning with psycological influence on a pregnant mother (nice soft music, pretty baby pictures, etc.).

It will only work if:

1.  We understand the environment inside the womb (i.e. it is a very noisy place, I read that a baby in the womb is surrounded by the level of noise similar to that of a passing train);

2.  We understand the milestone of maturity of the senses of the baby whilst still inside the mother's womb;

3.  We apply teaching systematically with a routine (Glenn Doman stated that very young children learn by repetition).

What theories supporting this approach?

Neurologists, Doman, Japanese scholars (in particular) wrote many articles on 胎教.  Those interested can buy some books from Page One and "Sam Luen"

DBB   

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各位媽媽、孕媽媽

今天的科學一日千里，甚麼是胎教或怎樣做胎教巳在BK談論巳久。

我們就 “如何胎教” 此話題將於明年一月十三日晚上 (於Causeway Bay 或 Tsimshatsui) 舉行講座，名額50名。歡迎關心此話題的家長參加。Babyplus對胎教方面有超過二十年經驗，希望借此機會和家長分享心得。美国專家將透過視像會議解答家長的問題。

有意參加者，請PM Babyplus 訂座。

Babyplus  All the best to your child.

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Dear Mothers

We are pleased to announce the arrival of six  Babyplus babies in January 2005.  We will be inviting mothers to share their experiences on BBK.

Babyplus  

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Dear Mothers

On the issue of how early a child will develop a perception of "time", recent studies using brain scanning as a tool have proven that a child as young as four months old developed a perception and anticipation of time.  This was said to be based on the baby's experience of the sound of the heartbeat whilst still in mother's womb.

These studies confirmed that the learning starts in the womb and that pre-natal experience does have an effect on the later stage development of a child.

Will keep all mothers updated on issues relating to early education and training on "giftedness"

BabyPlus

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Our February seminar will be held on 25th February in the evening around 6 pm.  Parents who are interested can call KinderU at 29702382 to register their attendance.  Spaces limited to 30 persons.

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Our February seminar is all full.  

Thanks to all for your response.  You can book early for our March seminar by calling Ms. Ngan of KinderU at 29702382.

BabyPlus

小肥佬

剛剛看到有關胎兒在母親體內既新聞,想同大家分享一吓


孕 婦 均 喜 愛 讓 胎 兒 欣 賞 柔 和 的 古 典 音 樂 ， 希 望 藉 此 令 胎 兒 培 養 出 平 和 性 情 。 不 過 ， 新 西 蘭 最 新 研 究 發 現 ， 胎 兒 在 母 體 內 一 直 處 於 沉 沉 入 睡 的 狀 態 ， 根 本 聽 不 到 任 何 聲 音 ， 也 沒 有 知 覺 。 腦 部 分 泌 鎮 靜 物 質 英 國 《 泰 晤 士 報 》 報 道 ， 新 西 蘭 梅 西 大 學 動 物 福 利 、 科 學 及 生 物 倫 理 學 中 心 主 管 David Mellor 在 動 物 身 上 進 行 實 驗 ， 包 括 綿 羊 、 山 羊 、 馬 、 牛 及 猴 子 等 ， 量 度 胎 兒 腦 部 的 電 流 ， 以 評 估 其 腦 部 的 活 躍 程 度 。 研 究 發 現 ， 哺 乳 類 動 物 胎 兒 的 腦 部 及 胎 盤 會 分 泌 一 些 有 鎮 靜 及 麻 醉 作 用 的 物 質 ， 令 胎 兒 在 母 體 懷 孕 期 間 一 直 處 於 沉 沉 入 睡 的 狀 態 。 直 至 出 生 的 一 刻 ， 嬰 兒 才 有 知 覺 。 David 又 解 釋 ， 胎 兒 在 母 親 體 內 轉 身 ， 令 母 親 有 被 踢 的 感 覺 ， 並 非 因 為 胎 兒 有 意 識 地 進 行 ， 而 是 胎 兒 在 睡 眠 期 間 的 自 然 反 射 動 作 。 當 地 關 注 動 物 福 利 的 團 體 認 為 ， 有 關 結 果 有 助 維 護 動 物 的 生 存 權 利 ， 令 不 少 動 物 的 胎 兒 毋 須 因 為 被 人 類 認 為 在 出 生 過 程 會 受 到 痛 苦 ， 而 被 迫 流 產 。

babyplus

Dear 小肥佬

Thank you for the message that you posted.  There are new research that comes out each day on this subject and this is good and exciting.

哺 乳 類 動 物 胎 兒 的 腦 部 及 胎 盤 會 分 泌 一 些 有 鎮 靜 及 麻 醉 作 用 的 物 質 ， 令 胎 兒 在 母 體 懷 孕 期 間 一 直 處 於 沉 沉 入 睡 的 狀 態 。 直 至 出 生 的 一 刻 ， 嬰 兒 才 有 知 覺 。

On the abovementioned, I trust that there has been many articles written about awareness of a child whilst still in the womb and that the baby actually respond to sound and pain.  (Thus the reason for objection against abortion).  

On this subject, there is an article titled "FETAL BRAIN & COGNITIVE DEVELOPMENT" by R. Joseph, Ph.D. and his findings are as follows (supported by other scientists):

•        by the 26th week of gestation the body of the fetus will reflexively react to vibration and exceedingly loud auditory (110 db) (the womb environment is around 95dB) stimulation 60% of the time, whereas by 32 weeks the rate is over 80% (Kisilevsky, Muir & Low, 1992; Shahidullah & Hepper, 1993).

•        at 29 weeks not only will the body jerk, but the FHR will accelerate.  As the brainstem continues to mature it becomes increasingly responsive to external sounds.

•        by the 36th to 38th week of gestation, the fetal brainstem will respond to external noises and even the sound of mother's voice with reflexive body movements, head turning, and FHR acceleration (external noises trigger a multitude of response which trains the fetal brain), albeit, about 30% to 60% of the time (Lecanuet, Granier-Deferre & Busnel, 1995; Schmidt, Boos, Gnirs, Auer, & Schulze, 1985).

•        these sounds must be high frequency and quite loud as uterine attenuation may be as high as 70 db (Querleu, Renard, Versyp, Paris-Delvue, Vernoort, & Crepin,1986).

•        by the 36th week of gestation, the fetus appears able to attend to and may be able to discriminate between different sounds as measured by heart rate decelerations (Lecanuet, Granier-Deferre, Jacquet & Busnel, 1992)."

David 又 解 釋 ， 胎 兒 在 母 親 體 內 轉 身 ， 令 母 親 有 被 踢 的 感 覺 ， 並 非 因 為 胎 兒 有 意 識 地 進 行 ， 而 是 胎 兒 在 睡 眠 期 間 的 自 然 反 射 動 作 。 當 地 關 注 動 物 福 利 的 團 體 認 為 ， 有 關 結 果 有 助 維 護 動 物 的 生 存 權 利 ， 令 不 少 動 物 的 胎 兒 毋 須 因 為 被 人 類 認 為 在 出 生 過 程 會 受 到 痛 苦 ， 而 被 迫 流 產 。

What is the reporter saying here???  On the one hand he saids that fetus feels no pain and on the other hand "有 關 結 果 有 助 維 護 動 物 的 生 存 權 利 ， 令 不 少 動 物 的 胎 兒 毋 須 因 為 被 人 類 認 為 在 出 生 過 程 會 受 到 痛 苦 ， 而 被 迫 流 產 ."???????  Does this make sense.

CONCLUSION

I trust that the fair observation is that there is nothing that is conclusive on this subject.  The scientific advancement made each day allows us to learn more about our specie and the views of all scientists need to be considered and understood.  Parents should make a decision that they are comfortable with.

We are grateful for the materials that 小肥佬 posted on this discussion.

In the meantime, many more BabyPlus babies have arrived and a mother wrote to us that her little girl have all the attributes as stated by BabyPlus.  Not that she is very stable and calm, she is also holding her own milk bottle at the age of 9 days old.  Another mother wrote to us and told us that her little hirl screamed "hungry" at 2.5 months.  BabyPlus Hong Kong is getting very positive response from parents everywhere.

We remain confident that all parents will one day understand that we are spreading the knowledge not only for business but for the good of your child.

Have a nice day              

BabyPlus

babyplus

各位家長你們好。BabyPlus將於三月十五曰晚上七時於KinderU舉行有關胎教的講座，歡迎各位準家長參加。

有關BabyPlus的使用，家長們可於Google找到歐美所發於並流傳網上的資料，懷孕35週以下的家長請不要錯過。BabyPlus希望透過講座讓家長了觧胎兒腦部成長，再決定胎教的可靠性及重要性。

有興趣者請電21161184與Jennifer Ngan 聯絡。我們期待你的參與，讓我們一起分享胎教給孩子帶來的好處。

babyplus

BabyPlus很高興在剛結朿的講座與家長分享胎教的知識，更希望有到場的家長指供閣下宝贵的意见。

BabyPlus於香港已開辦了四次講座，第五次將於四月二十二日舉行，歡迎各準家長參加分享。
              

mcrl

Dear all

[size=small]I use Baby Plus since 25 weeks,[size=medium]My baby also can 識用手捧住個奶樽 *_*[size=small]Always smile , 精乖靈利！

  

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Dear parents

We are glad to hear that there are positive responses everywhere in Hong Kong now!

Thank you very much.

Warmest wishes to you & your family
KinderU - BabyPlus

          

faith

點解唔早d通知我 "胎教"的厲害呢﹗如果我早知又照"做"，話唔定當時陀住阿b時佢口係我肚內就識叫我阿媽了，隔住肚皮都可能聽到呢....真係可惜....世上又少了一個天才....唉，為時已晚﹗悲哉﹗悲哉﹗   

各位媽媽，陀住冇胎教，bb唔識在你肚裡叫你？唔緊要，如果想補救---至少兩個月大時都識叫爸媽的，請吃安xx奶粉﹗真係得架.....我阿仔就係食li隻奶粉得左ge，唔好話我賣廣告，我係講真架...唔信你地未生的生出來後都試下啦...不過可能有副作用---係會咬字不正的。

噢.....我又忍不住.....已控制左好耐.....但...還是忍唔住....
誰要鬧我....就悉隨專便啦...         

小孩子的天空

faith 寫道:
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唔緊要，如果想補救---至少兩個月大時都識叫爸媽的，請吃安xx奶粉﹗真係得架.....我阿仔就係食li隻奶粉得左ge，唔好話我賣廣告，我係講真架...
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噢.....我又忍不住.....已控制左好耐.....但...還是忍唔住....
誰要鬧我....就悉隨專便啦...         

你個仔又是吃安xx奶粉ka! 我個仔都係wor..........唔通.... 吃這安xx奶粉會好似佢地咁..............三歲識加減乘除........各位百多元唔怕試wor.........

小孩子的天空

忘了說副作用---會有一雙'麼打手',一雙'麼打腳',還有一張只有訓了覺才會停的嘴。

DBBoy

Dear Faith and "Sky of Little Boy"

It is against the spirit of meaningful discussion to get involved in "mocking" comments.  I am sure that neither of you would want to be misunderstood to be "sour grapers".

If those mothers genuinely believe that prenatal training worked for their child, should we not encourage them to share their experience??

Our society needs discussion, knowledge, encouragement and acknowledgement.  To adopt any other atitude would be setting a terrible example to our youngsters.

I have been involved in education for more than 15 years in Hong Kong and I can tell you that there is now more and more evidence that prenatal and early education has a profound effect on the behaviour and character of a young child.  Furthermore, Omega 3, AHA and DHA have been proven to enhance the activities of a child's brain.

I would encourage those mothers who believe in Prenatal Learning and its effects on giftedness to continue their reserach on the subject and share their knowledge with all those who are participating in these discussions.

DBBoy

        

faith

我並是不相信早期教育的重要...只是.....是否所有用左babyplus的"教育"都會二個月有異於常人的行為，咁就見人見智.....我無話過無效...只不過我不認同所有gifted都由訓練而來罷了﹗
   DBBOY=babyplus 我一早就知啦       
其早早內容的背後函意，我早早亦察覺到啦﹗只是自己不學習包容之心而已。
不過話時話，我相信babyplus已經俾左廣告費，所以大家不應以一些不滿的態度話人地賣廣告...有時心想，babyplus的風度已經很好.....要忍受別人的"冷語"(其實人地有時只是無惡意的開開玩笑，但看上去以為是惡意罷了。)

其實想想看....如果無廣告商，我們何來可以在這兒暢所欲言呢？？所以

          

應該河水不犯井水的........但只是想，為何要把廣告加插在討論區中呢？？？
唔好話俾我聽SLI都係dBboy來...我會昏倒的﹗

DBBOY, 如果你不是BABYPLUS的人，而是單純一個學者，一個研究教授(和商業利益沒有掛勾)...理論又中肯而留有餘地(較有彈性，不會咁快去肯定一樣野....世上究竟乜野先至係絕對呢？)我也會很有興趣去知道的......

你也知道...有人推出一套理論...無幾耐又有持相反的理論推出(例如推翻遺傳的理論)，無奈，有人推翻自己先前的理論...之後，又有人推返出同一個理論...又或另一理論。嘩﹗......唔知信邊個好，唔知信邊個好﹗﹗﹗﹗搞到D人陀陀轉....所以看事物自然會有所保留的好............

心理學家和遺傳學家、精神科專家、生物學家....，神學家....哲學家........各持所學，除非已集齊全部專家的一致結果...我想...無人有時間學得咁多野呢﹗所以都係暫且保留一點會好d  ge.....

SLI

Faith,

SLI & DBBoy are 2 DIFFERENT persons.

Although I've used babyplus for my 22-month boy, but at that time I ordered the unit from US via internet . I've checked all related information before using it for my son, I don't completely endorse it since my boy was always crying since birth for the 1st 3 months.

My boy has long attention span for story and playing games , but I don't know exactly that was the effect of the unit or my own training. Anyway , it seems to work OK for my boy.

Although there existed thousands of successful evidence / cases in US , but I'm not completely convinced that it is universally applicable as good as stated. I suppose that other factors like the state of mind, bodily health of the mom, music listening, story-telling and nutrition pay an equally , if not greater , role in this regard.

If one has no time to do all or most of these things, then Babyplus would seem to be a good alternative; provided that you believed in the related theory of prenatal brain development .

It's kind of strange that even ancient China (US and Japan nowadays)  had mentioned this aspect for better and smarter baby , of cause , lack of any scientific proof but only deduction .

The modern theory bears quite a no. of evidence cases in US and Japan  that would deserve our closer look at it to see if this would really work or not. My philosophy is to keep an open mind on this matter , such that it may not work well as stated, but I'm sure it would not cause any harm after many years of experience in US.

I've NO economical interests ( $$$ ) in this Babyplus business !

SLI   :

babyplus

謝謝各家長在此对胎教或BabyPlus所发表的正反意見。

其實BabyPlus在意希望各位对胎教之研究加深了解亦非常鼓勵用過BabyPlus的家長在BBK发表意見，令更多的家長參加討論。不論正反，相信多點討論可使大家得益。

BabyPlus亦相當支持親子王國的群體，其實透過BBK巳與很多家長親自詳細地討論过BabyPlus的理論，有些BB巳經出世，家長亦对胎教的效果很滿意呢！

BabyPlus是懷着100%的责任感向孕媽媽介紹以BabyPlus作藍本的胎教。希望家長能花點时間去研究個中理論。

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