傳統名校vs國際學校

shadeslayer

原帖由 aspirant99 於 15-06-26 發表
現在小女即將入讀K1，面臨一間傳統名校和一間很好的國際學校兩個offer，兩件學校都基本是一條龍到中學。很 ...

傳統名校重可以由幼稚園一條龍？應該無左呢回事了。

由傳統轉國際，當然相對易，但我也有見讀名校的，甚至國際學校學生，考較好的國際學校英文肥佬。所以唔係必然。要考慮的是，你想孩子接受那樣的教育？

shadeslayer

原帖由 aspirant99 於 15-06-26 發表
傳統名校也有全龍的，如培正。這間傳統校近90%幼稚園畢業可升小學，所以我說基本一條龍。
選擇什麼樣的道路 ...

多看傳統名校的教育方式，和傳統名校學生家長傾談，再上Ek看看，感受教育的重點，DSE的優劣。國際學校做同一樣東西。對兩種學制有相當認識後，你作為家長希望你的寶貝接受那種教育模式呢？看看兩種學制下學生的學識才幹性格有何差別？只有你自己答到。

shadeslayer

原帖由 Artie 於 15-06-28 發表
I personally know someone who failed IS application (not even the best IS), so it is better not to ...

Year 7 is only 11 years old and there is still opportunities to develop his/her character, unless the local system has already burn the child out.  

My child switched to an IS and in the first two months, the other parents said they could not tell she was from a local school, including her style and English accent.

shadeslayer

原帖由 foolish.mom 於 15-06-28 發表
回覆 lui 的帖子

The IS graduates 10 years ago may not be of the same calibre as those graduated rec ...

True.

At the risk of over generalization, the difference is motivation.  Local elite school students are normally driven by competition and winning. IS students are typical driven by their own passion.

The desire to win may give you better end results than passion does for a given student.

shadeslayer

原帖由 bbJP 於 15-06-28 發表
我有興趣他提及SPCC,DGS.但有冇提DBS? DBS的IB成績也不俗吧。。而IS,係咪都是CIS,GSIS為主？有否後起之秀？ ...

教育是十年樹木，百年樹人。後起之秀谷成績易，建立校格校譽和舊生網絡難。

shadeslayer

Don't over analyze it. Hong Kong still has a lot of foreign companies with foreign bosses. You can never tell where our kids will end up staying or what organizations they will work for in the future. There is so much in the future we cannot control. But I can control "now" what education should my child receive. In the future is creativity important?  Or obedience & expert knowledge going to rule?

I don't think it is simply the case of the society in HK demands quiet people. The tradition of education has not changed even though the world has globalized and competition is now global.  What if a society demands more uneducated people because there isn't enough University jobs, do I want to stop sending my child to University just to make sure she fits in to the mainstream?

My suggestion is that parents should give their children the "best" education. Parent have to define what is the best education. I for one will not give my child education that I don't believe in, just because she may not fit well with certain type of people or certain organization in the future.  

shadeslayer

原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 15-06-29 發表
I wish that is the direction in which HK is heading, but the real trend seems to be HK becoming more ...

I have lived in HK most of my life and I don't consider myself fitting in to the mainstream society that well. I am not able to work for certain types of organizations. But is that a problem?  Who says we must be able to work for all types of organizations?  Who says we must be comfortable with all kinds of social groups?  

That does not stop me from working and enjoying life in Hong Kong in general.

shadeslayer

原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 15-06-29 發表
本帖最後由 FattyDaddy 於 15-6-29 22:32 編輯

It can be a problem if those certain types of organizations turns out to be most organizations.

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I would even argue that it is not a problem if certain types of organization turns out to be the majority.   The majority of companies in HK must be SMEs. What if a person is best suited to an MNC?  Is this person's future doomed?

Likewise, the majority of jobs in HK do not need a degree. Do we want to fit in to the mainstream by not sending our children to Universities?  Do we want to maximize the child's job market potential by not giving him/her the best in education?  Probably not.

The clash of the child's outspoken character and certain parents expectation of traditional obedient children can be a much bigger problem. I agree that needs to be factored in. In this case IS education should not be defined as the "best" education by the traditional parents.

Aren't we all IS parents and students the minority here in HK, how are we holding up?

shadeslayer

原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 15-06-29 發表
It is not about qualifications but a very westernized attitude and way of thinking, which is not mai ...

I will be disappointed if my child lives for my expectations, or our relatives and friends'.  Other people might be different though.

shadeslayer

FattyDaddy 發表於 15-6-30 00:55
Well, the decision to send one's child to an international school is accompanied by a set of expecta ...

True. Everyone has certain expectation. Even 姨媽姑姐 has sets of expectation but we can't please them all.
Of course I have my own expectations when I send my child to a school. The way I see it is that I have done the best I could, gave her the "best" education my means allow, provided her with mentoring as parents. The rest is just fate.  With this in mind I can go easy on her and on myself if there is mismatch in expectations.

But I agree parent should factor in the cultural side of things when choosing a school.

shadeslayer

原帖由 ANChan59 於 15-06-30 發表
Any reason ?

I have said every parent has to define what is the best education for their children.  I don't think there is anything fundamentally wrong if a parent choose traditional values over western values, or vice versa. Or like you, prefer something in the middle.  It is a choice parents have to make.

shadeslayer

原帖由 Jane1983 於 15-06-30 發表
這個世界outspoken係咪一定出事，吾一定。但做鹌鹑，真係無出頭。

I think Fat daddy's point is relevant only within a family. If a Chiu Chow traditional family wanting an obedient child chooses an International school, not knowing the likely character development and outspokenness, it could be a disaster.

shadeslayer

女兒的一些活動中，我也觀察過一些傳統名校的孩子。他們大多好鬼 fit ，語言很好唔在講，思考，學術等等也非等閒。當然，我可能好彩只見到D fit 的。如果佢地由細讀lS，效果亦無法預期。我相信，這些孩子質地好，在那種學制也可脫泳而出，學制是難不到他們的。

shadeslayer

原帖由 foolish.mom 於 15-07-03 發表
回覆 BeeFarm 的帖子

BeeFarm,

At the risk of over-generalization, IS usually respect individuals and are much more willing to tolerate students with different developmental progress.

LS are more "standards" oriented right from kindergartens. The school defines academic and behavioral standards for each student to follow. If a particular student is not up to par, the school will call the parents and ask them to do something about the grades/behavior.  The good thing about this is that they can achieve better average grades with less resources.

shadeslayer

原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 15-07-29 發表
It is not about control, it is about predicting and planning accordingly, big difference.

Two things.

1. Predicting the future is futile. Many experts have had "reasonable" predictions of a downturn of the housing market since 2010.

2. The only constant is "change".

3. Predicting the future has no bearing on choosing the kind of education I provide for my child. I give the "best" education I can lay my hands in to my child.  Good education is useful in HK, UK, or Cambodia.

4. Adjusting the education to the perceived future requirements of the society is unreasonable. An extreme example, if a society needs a large number of obedient "manual labour" to do all the heavy lifting manual work, do we choosing a gym instead of a school?  No, we still give them the best education, the hard knowledge and the soft skills to be successful in whatever society.

5. A really smart person can play dumb.

Ok, 5 points instead of two.

shadeslayer

原帖由 aidan08 於 15-07-29 發表
那當然了，養育子女怎會完全不去計劃？選擇學校也是計劃的一種，只是我認為將來的社會太難預料，所以，不會 ...

子女教育的計劃，我只有一樣：在我能力內給予孩子我認為最好教育。

我決不會因為將來社會「可能」需要多點沒有獨立思考的順民，而「計劃」孩子的教育令孩子成為澈頭澈尾沒有獨立思考的人。正如我預計將來社會要多點洗碗工，工資好過大學生，我不會「計劃」孩子的教育令孩子成為洗碗工而不送孩子上大學。

shadeslayer

原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 15-07-30 發表
Oh, people make all sorts of predictions all the time, these predictions are all around us. Take wea ...

Don't stretch too far. We never discuss weather forecast kind of strong scientific predictions or mathematical modeling. Your kind of finger in the wind predictions cannot be compared to scientific ones.  It is similar to the countless property market predictions by experts.

shadeslayer

原帖由 maomaofafa 於 15-11-24 發表
My husband studied in IS for at least 6 years. He said he will send our kids to LS because he is afr ...

As I told him before only getting into a good LS has more chance of getting into a good university.

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Depends if you define good Uni as Local HK uni only or world good uni.

shadeslayer

原帖由 maomaofafa 於 15-11-24 發表
Thanks for your suggestion.  We will consider about those schools.  Since my husband is on the prior ...

Chinese is definitely important but HK people are rarely better than mainland Chinese in "Chinese". HK has survived with some kind of balance of Chinese and English.

I sometimes fail to understand why parents take Chinese or English as the main decision factor in choosing a school. Shouldn't we take the overall education of the school as the most important decision factor. Practical every school in HK has some kind of balance in Chinese and English. Even Harrow. We want to give our kids the best education we believe in and we can afford, right?

shadeslayer

原帖由 shabushabu 於 15-12-16 發表
Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire - this sums up my belief for educ ...

Good summary.