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作者: jolalee 時間: 15-2-15 17:45 標題: 不去考HKIS有損失嗎？

本帖最後由 jolalee 於 15-4-1 19:23 編輯

[Latest update. We went for the interview and got a spot at HKIS, but only had 36hrs to decide if we should accept or decline the offer. In the end we decided to keep our child in CDNIS.]

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Hi fellow parents, some of you may know that my boy is a Nov born "small b" currently in CDNIS Reception (=K2). I applied to all our target schools in one go last year, but some he was not old enough to sit for the interview back then. Last month we received an interview invitation for Reception entry from HKIS. If he gets in, he will be a "big b" (repeating Reception, =K2) which is quite optimum for his long-term development.

Since we have applied for it already, I thought we may as well go ahead with it before deciding if we want to move him over or not. Worse come to worst, it'd be a nice school visit. However, my husband is not so keen on HKIS and asked me to decline the interview offer now. In a way this is pushing my decision forward, before the kid is even accepted in HKIS

Here's my take on the pros and cons of HKIS for my boy:

Advantage-
* Being one of the older boy without redshirting him (i've the choice to put him back a year in CDNIS, but he'd be super old compared to others in his class)
* Better American University entry compared with his existing school
* A more technical strong American curriculum primary education compared with his existing PYP program
* A more expat community compared with his existing school (so Caucasian and Oriental kids play together instead of having their own cliques)

Disadvantage-
* Reputation to be a party school (the reason my husband wants to pull out)
* Rumored that most parents are super rich and lives in houses. Heard that the truth is not as bad.
* CDNIS has a better Chinese program, esp in earlier years. (HKIS secondary Chinese is not too bad, however)
* If we are not going to American University, then is there a point in going? (I'm Canadian and my husband Australian, so it's MUCH cheaper for my boy to go back to either country for his Tertiary education, but of course if he gets into a top American school we'd definitely dish out for it.)

Have i missed anything? Should i convince my husband to go ahead with the interview before deciding? (He will be on a business trip on interview day too, so that would undermine our boy's chance of getting in with an absent parent). Let's say that my kid gets in, between HKIS & CDNIS, which one should we pick?

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-2-15 17:51

本帖最後由 FattyDaddy 於 15-2-15 22:06 編輯

I tend to look at things in simple ways, you paid the application fee already, so might as well not waste it. Why worry about all the pros and cons now, they only become relevant after HKIS makes you an offer, and you could always decline, so you have nothing to lose :)

作者: jolalee 時間: 15-2-15 17:55

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Exactly, i was thinking that way as well. Since we've paid for it already, hee hee.
The thing is, my husband doesn't want him to even try it, and without his participation it's sorta not fair for my boy. An absent parent for an HKIS interview is a big dent on the boy's chance...

作者: Woojba 時間: 15-2-15 18:06 標題: 回覆：不去考HKIS有損失嗎？

*Types F if this is on HK Schools on FB*. I'd just go and do it first and let them choose first. During my time yes I've seen the fair share of "Let them eat cake" styled brattiness but I do have a few friends/acquaintances from HKIS who are very down to earth despite the privileged upbringing. So I think the family's influence and watching his peer group should do the trick. How would you define top US? Say above top 20 or 40 within the typical list for folks from HK? Let's discuss more as this is a great post to follow, would be interested to know your thoughts on CDNIS's recent push in more top US/UK admissions. FYI I'm a Canadian who went to Midwest US school so this Canadian vs American debate is close to me. For the rest of the points it would be the exact same list I have if I'm in the same situation.

作者: hkparent 時間: 15-2-15 21:08 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+jolalee+於+15-2-15+17:52+編

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Hi fellow parents, some of you may know that my boy is a ...

You can persuade your husband to let your son have a try first. But it'll be a difficult decision if he's accepted, especially if he's also doing fine being a small boy at CDNIS now.

Academically I guess HKIS is a bit stronger. If you target Ivy League (are you or your husband alumni?), HKIS. If UT or Melbourne U (top universities in Canada and Australia) are also fine, then stick with CDNIS.

Moral education and discipline training at HKIS, with American culture, could be another concern.

作者: jolalee 時間: 15-2-15 22:57

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Woojba 發表於 15-2-15 18:06
*Types F if this is on HK Schools on FB*. I'd just go and do it first and let them choose first. D ...

That's the thing, Woojba, I know nothing about American Universities. I only realize Ivy League consists of eight schools (and what they are) after i googled it just now

I am not even sure what kind of American Universities HKIS students graduate into without any connections. Both my husband and I graduated with professional degrees in our respective country, so we have no Alumni status in USA.

That said, both my husband and I are quite happy with where we're at in HK, and my hubby is doing very well in his career. My sister-in-law, who graduated with her Astrophysics doctorate in Australia, is currently a research lecturer in an US University which (I just found out) is an Ivy League school. So, instead of studying in one, one of our family member actually teaches in one.

In regards to CDNIS's recent push in more top US/UK admissions, yes, the school just hired Dr. Gregg Maloberti from the States as our Head of School, who spent a bulk of his career in American private schools with deep ties to top universities. What benefits he brings to CDNIS is yet to be seen. Do note though that like all young schools, CDNIS is going through the teething pain of renewing the existing cumbersome Board of Governance system, and along with it quite a bit of politics. I just hope the school will survive it to become a better institution, but definitely it will not be exactly the same as it was.

It does seem like we should stick with CDNIS... although at the moment i am convincing my husband to let us try for the school, without his presence i am not sure if we can make a good impression with the parents' interview (he's the guy with the impressive accent), and i don't like to do anything half-heartedly.

作者: Shootastar 時間: 15-2-16 00:25

As far as I know, it is difficult to get admission into HKIS if you are not from an American education system. The school was set up to cater the needs of Americans. If there are still vacancies after admitting the Americans, then it will admit other students. My personal view is that you should give it a try first. If a place is offered, then you can balance the pros and cons.

作者: jolalee 時間: 15-2-16 07:04

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I guess we can give it a go as a "school visit", but seriously without any American ties as well as the lack of presence from the father for the interview, i do not think our boy can get in...

作者: Woojba 時間: 15-2-16 08:40 標題: 回覆：不去考HKIS有損失嗎？

Thanks for the update on CDNIS personnel and current issues. Also, is the cliques phenomenon something you find "sticking out" at the school and comparatively you see this is not and issue at HKIS or other schools? Going to an interview and experiencing the school can have its benefits. Who knows, may be you'll have another similar situation 7-8 years down the road on the same school. It's like a business prospect, you meet the guy and there is no business to be done but you never know later. May be persuade your husband with another angle ;). Universities-wise it also depends on what career they'll be having so might be too far down the line to judge. I tend to think if they are good enough then they can get in from any schools within roughly the same "tier"

作者: hkparent 時間: 15-2-16 08:51 標題: 引用：Thanks+for+the+update+on+CDNIS+personnel

原帖由 Woojba 於 15-02-16 發表
Thanks for the update on CDNIS personnel and current issues. Also, is the cliques phenomenon someth ...

Agree. If your son does well later you can always send him to the US for high school and target Ivy League. It may be too early to think about university at this stage. Both are good schools.

作者: lovecasey 時間: 15-2-16 08:51

Just go, u paid the fee and don't waste the oppuntinity . Treat it as a school visit. Explain the importance of his attendance on this interview would provide an advantage to the kid.

作者: oooray 時間: 15-2-16 10:06

There is no risk-free decision in the real world.
My only advice is to have your husband's 200% support before making any important decision.

作者: 4eyesDad 時間: 15-2-16 10:50 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+jolalee+於+15-2-15+17:52+編

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Hi fellow parents, some of you may know that my boy is a ...

Canadian International is cheaper than HKIS. Unless you want to mix up with the people commonly found in HKIS, there is no reason to change school, especially it means your kid will repeat one school year. Of course, the campus at Tai Tam is beautiful. It will be fun but don't count on going to Ivy League too early!

作者: lijacq 時間: 15-2-16 11:01 標題: 回覆：不去考HKIS有損失嗎？

My girl is in CDNIS and IB is difficult. If you are goung to finish high school in HK and hope to go to USA universities, HKIS has AP and has better chance to get into good USA unis. I know a lot of people in HKIS are well behaved. My daughter also aware of NOT well-behaved kids in CDNIS. Chinese in CDNIS is better, and academically HKIS seems to be better.

作者: Shootastar 時間: 15-2-16 12:30

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Usually the available spots in reception class are more than other spots in any class.So you will have a "reasonable" chance of being admitted even if your kid is not of American nationality. Anyway, I agree with other writers that it is a family decision as to the child's education. You need the 100% consensus before you make any move. Good luck.

作者: Mighty 時間: 15-2-16 12:48

I dont know about these schools at all. Or may be just the impression HKIS is more 'reputable' than CNDIS. However, from reading what you hv said so far, I can see that you 'do' want to try. Say you could not persuade your husband and fearing that you have less chance to get in with one parent's absence, and you decide not to go. Still I am sure you will regret it at later days. You seem to be a perfectionist. So I would say even without your husband's support, go for it and if you can get in, then weigh your pros n cons then.

作者: 964000 時間: 15-2-16 13:00 標題: 回覆：不去考HKIS有損失嗎？

Frankly, after reading your posts, I found you are sometimes quite 傭人自擾(no offend), are you going to reconsider your choice of school every single year? I just feel your pressure and lack of peace of mind every now and then. Sorry I am probably not helpful but I just want to share your worries and concerns as a friend.

作者: Radiomama 時間: 15-2-16 13:15

您先生其實好明白您的性格; 今天您為孩子報考HKIS、明天您又會去報GSIS或CIS、再待孩子大一點，您又會想SPCC的成績全港最TOP，不如又去試。這樣會永無寧日啊。其實CDNIS不是已具備好適合您們家庭的條件嗎? 最重要是仔仔(學業和社交上)和先生(財務和社交上)都適應啊。

有時聽聽男士聲音未嘗不是好事，尤其在教養男生的問題上。

作者: elmostoney 時間: 15-2-16 15:07

Just a side question. Does it mean a child with an American passport have a better chance? I never applied for my kids, but just want to take a note for future reference. Some people told me that Americans don't have priority either because there are SO many Americans in HK now.

作者: foolish.mom 時間: 15-2-16 15:07

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If I were you, I would definitely attend the interview. Leave the decision until your boy is accepted.
My boy is also Canadian. When we chose universities, UK/US universities are always our goal. Canadian and HK universities have lower priorities.

HKIS university placement is really very strong as compared with CDNIS today, not sure 5 to 10 years down the road. You may research on the university counsellor to student ratio in HKIS. It's impressive.

作者: 4eyesDad 時間: 15-2-16 15:39

My wife and I have different opinions on certain education matters. My experience is that it is better to have parental consensus rather than agree to differ. There are too many unknowns here. A higher ranking school may have better record but will your child necessarily perform "better"? Chemistry, luck and effort may play more important roles. Your husband may have his own views. What is the price of a good marriage?

作者: lui 時間: 15-2-16 15:51 標題: 引用：My+wife+and+I+have+different+opinions+on

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My wife and I have different opinions on certain education matters. My experience is that it is bett ...

Agree. Having a mutual agreement on child education is also critical for a family. Here, One might suggest go to have a try first. But I tend to obtain a yes from your hubby before you are trying. This is what I have done too. I will tell my hubby every step I am doing for my children. If he objects, I will not insist.

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Agree. Having a mutual agreement on child education is also critical for a family. Here, One might s ...

I will also obtain his approval on all ECA they are taking too. It's not about the money. Just a respect.

作者: lijacq 時間: 15-2-16 15:59 標題: 回覆：foolish.mom 的帖子

Yes, HKIS is strong in university placement.

作者: jolalee 時間: 15-2-16 17:07

lovecasey 發表於 15-2-16 08:51
Just go, u paid the fee and don't waste the oppuntinity . Treat it as a school visit. Explain the im ...

Canceling an important business trip so that he will attend a school interview which he doesn't even want his son to go to? I think that's a bit of a stretch.

作者: jolalee 時間: 15-2-16 17:48

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Thank you for all your view points and suggestions. I know that when I post this thread, some will think I'm not satisfied with what we have, although it is not true; that's okay, I expected it. I am surprised though at how many parents has similar thoughts as I do, that since we have applied already the year before, might as well have a go at it

I guess the key point is that my husband suddenly asked me to back off after hearing some negative comments about HKIS. I was actually the one who wanted CDNIS the most and academics is not my greatest concern (although still a big one). I know my husband; he wants an academically stronger school then CDNIS, but not doing any research himself he is now waving HKIS away. Putting up this post helps me get a better idea of what we're letting go of, given (as I mentioned earlier on) I don't have much ideas about American schools although I lived across the border for years

I conveyed some of the points mentioned here to my husband, and he quickly reverted to the idea of giving it a try. Perhaps the biggest obstacle is my own character, that I must learn to relax more and treat it as a casual visit more then anything. Quite impossible for him to be present due to the business trip, so may as well make it a fun tour since the application fee wasn't cheap

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-2-16 18:15

jolalee 發表於 15-2-16 17:48
my husband suddenly asked me to back off after hearing some negative comments about HKIS ...

I conveyed some of the points mentioned here to my husband, and he quickly reverted to the idea of giving it a try ...

Well there you go, if he could change his mind after hearing some comments, he could change his mind again after hearing some more comments

作者: 964000 時間: 15-2-16 18:21 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+jolalee+於+15-2-16+17:50+編

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Thank you for all your view points and suggestions. I kn ...

Yes, just relax and take it easy, 隨緣。

作者: Starbuck 時間: 15-2-16 22:16 標題: 回覆：jolalee 的帖子

I'll chip in on the part about "big B" advantage.

In an exact situation like yourself, we moved from one int'I school to another. Our kid repeated K2 per se but there's nothing we can do because of the "qualifying dates" decided by the admission office.

Being the "big B", for whatever reasons, our kid became the natural leader in class for better or for worse. Confidence in general grew big time. Learning became "easy peasy". Made and get along with lots of kids in other classes (including slightly older kids). Very happy kid.

We were hesitant about the transfer initially but now, after more than halfway through the foundation year, we think this was an excellent decision made and the one extra year our kid has to catch up with peer of our kid's birth year is nothing compared to emotional and confidence boost our kid has experienced and enjoyed during early development years.

作者: Woojba 時間: 15-2-16 22:23 標題: 回覆：不去考HKIS有損失嗎？

Congrats, may you make the best of your visit. Please keep us updated on progress. I don't think being prepared and striving for the best is wrong. I'd give it all I got in all shots I have, whether career, schools, or other things. Just keep in mind best means 'best fit' not simple academic rankings nor simple reputation.

作者: jolalee 時間: 15-2-16 23:16

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Very true, Woojba, and I thought I've found the most fitting school for my boy when we moved him from Montessori to CDNIS. Wonderful parents with kids in both CDNIS & HKIS responded and one wrote to me (how kind!), describing the difference between the more structured AP program and the project based self-driven PYP-MYP program. Apparently IB would require more organization & self-governing, but comments from various teachers told me my son does thrive better when he sees others sit down and work quietly (he'd follow suit; left on his own he'd play all day). Perhaps the American curriculum would suit him better, I don't know. Better take the up coming interview seriously... :)

作者: Woojba 時間: 15-2-16 23:31 標題: 回覆：不去考HKIS有損失嗎？

cool, may be AP has changed in recent years but back then it's nothing more than more advanced subjects that you can take in the last 2 years of high school? I took some APs back then and they were just like any other classes, we just went and took the exams in May and got 4 or 5 and took credits in college. No experiments or projects involved. The credits weren't recognized in Canada (early 2000) but I got some nice credits in US. May be that has changed again.

作者: jolalee 時間: 15-2-17 07:34

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Maybe I shouldn't have used the term AP up there (see how ignorant I am of the the American system?) I am talking about the primary and lower secondary program (PYP-MYP for IB and whatever you call it in the States; for ease of explanation we just call it the American curriculum). IB is a program quite different from when we used to go to primary and secondary school back home (that'd be in the Canadian curriculum for me since upper primary school). However even in primary and junior high we were used to doing group projects, but yes by senior high school it becomes more talk and chalk.

When I first visited CDNIS I fell in love because it felt like home. I'm familiar with the classroom setting, I know about OSSD (CDNIS is double diploma: IB + OSSD, the only school in HK that have this; makes applying to Cdn Uni much easier). It made CDNIS becoming my top priority because I felt I can relate to my boy. However, my husband took a look at the graduates details on the wall and he was not happy with where they were going. Not much professional degrees for those who went to top universities, he said. Anyhow he is happy with CDNIS when put together with the other options we had last year (ICS, ESF & IMS, due to various reasons including location, Chinese program and being a through-train school) That's why I was a bit surprised when he wanted me to decline the HKIS interview, since if Universiry placement is important to him then we should at least take a look at the school (CDNIS is the only school that I booked a tour to visit with him).

Anyhow, from various comments I got from around, I should be choosing primary school at this moment, and CDNIS primary is supposed to be pretty good. If the boy do well, then he can try for other schools if he and daddy wants to for secondary. I'm quite happy with a well rounded boy all the way to high school graduation at CDNIS.

I just received more info re the video games from a parent whose son transferred from CDNIS to HKIS (gaming is one of my big concern as I know my boy would love it if I let him touch it, which I won't, at least not now as he's only 4). Apparently HKIS bans video games in secondary school whereas CDNIS doesn't. I should go take a look at the CDNIS hallways and see if this issue is really that bad at CDNIS as she claimed (it's true though that I saw a high school student play video game at the back of a music class during our school visit). Anyhow this is not a determining factor when choosing school, but tidbits can fill in the details of a whole picture. Just thought this is an interesting piece of info to share :) (and verify)

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-2-17 08:28 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+jolalee+於+15-2-17+07:46+編

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University placement is the winning post. Is it important?  Yes it is. But do we care about the journey to that winning post?  Yes I care about the journey even more.
Various aspects of schools are very difficult to compare. Many of the benefits and pros and cons are "perceived". Even if the pros and cons are real, does it mean your child will perform better at the marginally better school? Not necessarily.  Back to the basic question, which school offers the wholistic education you and your son appreciate more?

Sometime we got carried away when it comes to our loved ones education. We have to careful not to over-analyze and sweat over small things.  Good luck to whatever you decide to do.

作者: dlam141231 時間: 15-2-17 09:34

Woojba 發表於 15-2-16 23:31
cool, may be AP has changed in recent years but back then it's nothing more than more advanced subje ...

應該沒大改變. 我兒讀IBDP, IB第一年(美制grade 11)的五月, 他自修3科AP(Physics, Psychology, Econ) 全拿了5. 是自修, 只在淘寶上買了些AP test guide之類來翻看. 他考的這三科AP也正是他的IB選科, 他IB固然也讀得好, 只不過, 給我的感覺確是AP較容易.

作者: 964000 時間: 15-2-17 12:35 標題: 回覆：不去考HKIS有損失嗎？

Anybody know what is the chance for AP grats to get into local uni? Is it true that local medics/law will not take AP grads? Just read from the other posts that someone needs to transfer back to IB system because of this concern.

作者: fatcni 時間: 15-2-17 12:39

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Heard from my friend who is a lawyer that if law and medi graduates wanna work in hk, they would prefer to study in hk uni. If they study abroad, they need to take another conversion exam to get qualified same degree in hk and the conversion exam is very difficult.

作者: 964000 時間: 15-2-17 12:43 標題: 引用：回覆+964000+的帖子 Heard+from+my+friend

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Heard from my friend who is a lawyer that if law and medi graduates wanna work i ...

Yes, that is why I am asking if AP is widely recognised for local U medics/laws admission.

作者: lovecasey 時間: 15-2-17 13:25

964000 發表於 15-2-17 12:43
Yes, that is why I am asking if AP is widely recognised for local U medics/laws admission.

It is not the AP matter, isn't oversea degree would have to go through the conversion program/ test to be admitted to local professional bodies,

作者: foolish.mom 時間: 15-2-17 14:46

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I know a boy from HKIS who aims at entering HKU/CU medicine using AP and SAT results. So presumably the admission to HKU/CU medicine with AP happened before at HKIS.

作者: hkparent 時間: 15-2-17 15:01 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+jolalee+於+15-2-17+07:46+編

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Are art or science degrees from the top universities not preferred? Oxbridge do not offer many professional degrees. Most are academic/theoretical degrees and train students to be future researchers. That's why they produce so many Nobel prize winners. If parents target "professional" degrees, Oxbridge or Ivy League may not be their cup of tea.

作者: foolish.mom 時間: 15-2-17 15:25

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Yes, exactly what I wanted to say.
At my time (many years ago), professional degrees were preferred. Science subjects at HKCE and A level were also very preferred. My hubby and I graduated with professional degrees.

In recent years, perhaps influenced by CIS administration, and philosophy of US top universities including Ivy Leagues, we started to think if a broad based liberal arts education is a better choice at undergraduate level. Or, as Oxbridge prospectus always emphasizes, their courses are mostly "academic" in nature, rather than "vocational" based, maybe except medicine or law.

In an Oxbridge prospectus, it states that "for example, a degree in Journalism is not a requirement to become a journalist. A degree in History, Politics, English or another subject might be just as useful. Likewise, to become a lawyer, students do not need to study their first degree in Law. They may take a first degree in a different subject and then take a law conversion course."

My hubby and I tend to agree with the change in education trend in recent years, that as a kid at 17 years old may not have the ability or insight to decide his/her career, a broad based general education, which trains critical and creative thinking, is more useful.

作者: lui 時間: 15-2-17 16:54 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+jolalee+於+15-02-17+發表本

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Are art or science degrees from the top universities not preferred? Oxbridge do not offer many profe ...

Agree.

作者: lui 時間: 15-2-17 17:02 標題: 引用：回覆+hkparent+的帖子 Yes,+exactly+what+

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Yes, exactly what I wanted to say.

I think it is not the recent trend . It always works in US and UK but we, Hk ppl always correlate the subjects we take in Uni to our careers. I have many friends coming from US top uni. They either graduated from arts or science. One holds a history degree with Princeton may work in hedge fund then found out that's not his cup of tea. He then turns to become a author.

作者: honeybunny7 時間: 15-2-17 17:05

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List of Nobel Laureates by school:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lis ... versity_affiliation

Shouldn't the choice of majors be the student's decision, but not his/her parents'?

The good thing about getting the undergraduate degree in US versus doing so in HK is the extra 4 years to mature and decide if one would like to pursue graduate studies in medicine, law or other professional studies. In HK you have to choose right away and then you are stuck...

作者: honeybunny7 時間: 15-2-17 17:09

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So does it mean the American curriculum is in between local curriculum and IB curriculum in terms of "degree of freedom", at least for the early years (i.e. kindergarten through primary)?

作者: hkparent 時間: 15-2-17 18:34 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+honeybunny7+於+15-2-17+17:06

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List of Nobel Laureates by school:

Thanks for the list of Nobel Laureates. So, mainly US, UK and German universities. Very very few Asian universities.

作者: foolish.mom 時間: 15-2-17 18:41

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The choice of major in university of course should be decided by students. When the students cannot decide or have not decided what to study in universities, the son's school always suggests them to go for a liberal arts education in US. When my hubby was in US university, he looked down upon students graduating with a liberal arts degree (non-professional & without a major). So when the school mentioned the advantages of liberal arts education, my hubby didn't agree at first. But after some thoughts, he accepts that deferring the choice of major until junior year in US universities is a good concept. And gradually we buy in the idea of the broad based non-professional undergraduate education.

作者: MS.AP 時間: 15-2-17 18:46

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作者: jolalee 時間: 15-2-17 18:58

Someone's baby is playing with his/her computer...

作者: Shootastar 時間: 15-2-17 20:55

AP qualifications are well recognised by the local Us for admission purpose. Top UK colleges also recognise AP qualifications for admission purpose. AP examinations are taken by around 2.5 million students each. There are about 120,000 to 150,000 students take the IB examinations. Apart from the Gao Kao of the PRC, AP examinations are taken by the greatest number of candidates each year. It is unimaginable that AP results are not recognized.

作者: Artie 時間: 15-2-17 23:24

jolalee 發表於 15-2-17 07:34
However, my husband took a look at the graduates details on the wall and he was not happy with where they were going. Not much professional degrees for those who went to top universities, he said.

Which top universities are you talking about?
If you are talking about universities in the US and Canada, then there are no undergrad professional programs. All medical schools and law schools are post graduate entry. Some universities have the so called pre-med undergraduate programs, or programs that are considered feeder programs to med school. But these pre-med programs are not a must. In fact, a lot of med school students in the US and Canada were non-science graduates.

作者: jolalee 時間: 15-2-18 08:09

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Wow, I didn't know that! Thanks for the info!
I was very clear what field i wanted to get into as a high school student (and it was not law or medicine) so I never researched on that. My husband is Australian and went straight into his own professional degree in Oz so we had no idea! Thank you Artie!

Although I still feel that every child should choose their own career path, I do have a bit of pressure because everyone in my husband's family are doctors or lawyers or scientist of some sort. Personally, I'd be proud if my son chose to become a director or athlete as long as he follows his passion and give it a 100% (while living a balanced life).

作者: 21Ckid 時間: 15-2-18 16:47

Why would you ever consider a school which one of the parent is so much against? For me, this is unthinkable.

作者: jolalee 時間: 15-2-18 17:37

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My husband is not "much against it", as I have explained in detail in posts #26 & #33. He heard some rumors, than he waved it down without finding out the truth. Like what Fattydaddy said in post #27, he might change his mind and regret the decision later on. I am just doing the research here to give each school a fair examination.

Anyhow we will most probably stick with CDNIS at least until the end of primary for a more relaxed, well rounded childhood. Just wondering, does anyone here know as a fact that, if we fortunately receive an offer now from HKIS but turns it down, would we be 'blacklisted' when we try to apply again in Secondary school years later?

作者: Shootastar 時間: 15-2-18 18:00

It is difficult to get an answer.

作者: jolalee 時間: 15-3-30 16:25

世事如褀局局新。

My son just received the offer from HKIS two hours ago (he was wait listed and we only received the Waitlist notification last Friday). Now we have only until tmr 9am to decide to take the offer or not!

CDNIS & HKIS, same factors as before. How should I choose!!!!?

作者: happyhealthymin 時間: 15-3-30 17:08 標題: 引用：世事如褀局局新。My+son+just+received+the

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世事如褀局局新。

My son just received the offer from HKIS two hours ago (he was wait listed and we ...

Congratulation on your happy struggle. Sure both schools are excellent! I would pick HKIS purely because of its academic results.

作者: gatochat 時間: 15-3-30 17:09

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I might be little off topic here, but I would like to share my thoughts after I have read your post about your views on video games.
I do not like video games either. But I also strongly believe one can't avoid it forever. I think when a child is deprived of something, they will be more tempted when they can get their hands on it. This is just from my observation really. I've seen children who are not allowed crisps/chocolate/sweets (basically anything unhealthy), but once the child is old enough, she would wolf down anything junk food she can get her hands on. I have met people who were not allowed TV as a child and now they would watch TV all day even tho there might not be anything interesting showing.

So i'm more into teaching my children self-control. We as parents can't protect our children forever.. I can only hope I have taught my children the right values when they're young and hope they do not stray too far off when they grow up.

作者: foolish.mom 時間: 15-3-30 17:11

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If your primary target is US top uni, go for HKIS.
HKIS has a long history and a well established syllabus. Newer schools will easily have management problems and changing syllabus easily.

作者: happyhealthymin 時間: 15-3-30 17:47 標題: 引用：回覆+jolalee+的帖子 I+might+be+little+o

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I might be little off topic here, but I would like to share my thoughts after I ...

I agree that self control is the key. But when children are too young, their brain are not fully developed. External control is needed. This is especially important for kids with ADHD. At the end of the day, I think it is a balance between internal and external control.

作者: lovecasey 時間: 15-3-30 17:57

Is the cdnis management issue a critical factor to you?

作者: 964000 時間: 15-3-30 17:57

jolalee 發表於 15-3-30 16:25
世事如褀局局新。

My son just received the offer from HKIS two hours ago (he was wait listed and we ...

Oh dear! So you attended the interview without your husband and you still got the spot?I think you just can't get away with HKIS

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-3-30 20:50 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+gatochat+於+15-03-30+發表回

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I agree that self control is the key. But when children are too young, their brain are not fully dev ...

Right. Too young they have no self control. But when the kids are older, my strategy is that you just have to make games only "one" of the fun activities. Courage her to develop interests in other areas. Observe her natural character, etc.

作者: koala_xin 時間: 15-3-30 22:55

Go for HKIS

作者: jolalee 時間: 15-3-30 23:12

lovecasey 發表於 15-3-30 17:57
Is the cdnis management issue a critical factor to you?

The current management issue does get to us at an emotional level, but in the long run it will blow over. It's just teething pain and politics. (I'm sure there's a parent (or more) that works for SCMP, so remember all you read from SCMP is only one side of the story.) CDNIS will become a stronger and better school after the storm. I hope :)

If we are to move school, I do hope it is for the right reasons.

作者: jolalee 時間: 15-3-30 23:16

964000 發表於 15-3-30 17:57
Oh dear! So you attended the interview without your husband and you still got the spot?I think you j ...

Honestly I don't think they cared if my husband was there or not. The meeting we parents had was more a Q&A.

When we received the wait list letter by mail last Friday we were at peace. We thought that we were meant to be in CDNIS, and then at 2:45pm today the school called, and needed us to reply by 9am tomorrow. Seriously that's a bit insane...

作者: jolalee 時間: 15-3-30 23:23

Thank you all for your good wishes. Seem like most ppl are on the HKIS camp. I do hear that the drug problems are the same in every school, and that academically it is better (at least gets into more famous schools) and the drive within the students are stronger.

Anyone on the CDNIS camp? I am still very fond of the school (and so is my son), and i do think he will breed better character in this school. Forget about the family teaching part (my family is not changing anytime soon), peer influence does play a bigger and bigger role as they become teenagers. Internal control has always been taught and proper time management too.

Comparing school to school, is HKIS academically better?

作者: foolish.mom 時間: 15-3-30 23:38

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Yes. I had chances to talk to an HKIS student who is studying at middle school. He learnt interesting stuff in all subjects like science, history, religion, music...while my son seemed to learn only research skills and how to write essay and report in MYP of IB. In fact MYP of IB really needs a lot of fine tuning, while HKIS' american curriculum is proven to produce academically strong students.

作者: 964000 時間: 15-3-30 23:44 標題: 引用：Thank+you+all+for+your+good+wishes.+Seem

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Thank you all for your good wishes. Seem like most ppl are on the HKIS camp. I do hear that the drug ...

Just follow your heart, and ask for your son's opinion. At the end of the day, I don't think it will make a huge difference whichever school you choose. Both are good schools anyway.

作者: jolalee 時間: 15-3-30 23:45

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I might be little off topic here, but I would like to share my thoughts after I ...

Not exactly my views on video games, just a piece of info i am sharing regarding schools' policies on gaming. I agree on teaching self-control, and also the right exposure at the right age. Too much screen time does effect the child's neuro-social developments, esp at a younger age (before age 5).

As an update i did observe primary age kids playing (educational) video games during lunch break in CDNIS using school's computer in the library. I am not sure if they have other control systems in place (but definitely time limited as i only see it during lunch), but it does not bother me at all as they all seem like well adjusted social kids i see everywhere in school. Yes, sometimes controls exposure might be a good thing.

作者: jolalee 時間: 15-3-30 23:52

964000 發表於 15-3-30 23:44
Just follow your heart, and ask for your son's opinion. At the end of the day, I don't think it will ...

I asked him (who's just 4 years old...). He loves his current school, but when i told him the new school is even more fun, he wavered. I reminded him of his interview (with the little sticker card he received after the interview), and he did not object anymore. At this age, kids' opinion is a reflection of what we convey to them.

Yes, both are good schools. I know we are lucky indeed. If we end up sticking to CDNIS, even amidst the current turmoils, at least we can say loud and clear, we support the school and believe in it.

作者: happyhealthymin 時間: 15-3-31 08:25 標題: 引用：回覆+jolalee+的帖子 Yes.+I+had+chances+

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Yes. I had chances to talk to an HKIS student who is studying at middle school. ...

Very insightful comparision between american cirriculum and IB. How about between american and British cirriculum? Would you mind to share more?

作者: Shootastar 時間: 15-3-31 09:19

If you to be an Investment baner, the odd is better if you graduate from an US College (I mean a top college).

If you want to be a professional like medicine, you should consider going to UK if you are not admitted by the local medical school.

If you want to a lawyer, then go to UK (if you gave a chance to study at a top law school). If not, then settle at a local law school.

If you have not decide what to so, or too young to decide, I think any education system has its own advantage and disadvantage. So there is not much difference between each curriculum. My two kids graduated from an high school of US curriculum, but none of them studied colleges at USA although both of them had a number of offers from top colleges.

作者: caa 時間: 15-3-31 09:20

foolish.mom 發表於 15-3-30 23:38
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Yes. I had chances to talk to an HKIS student who is studying at middle school. ...

Would you recommend IB then? Do you actually think American or British curriculums are better?

作者: Shootastar 時間: 15-3-31 09:21

If you want to be a scientist, Ithink US colleges should be a better choice.

作者: Shootastar 時間: 15-3-31 09:24

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If do some Google search, there are a number of articles comparing the IB and British education system. As I said, you can find the advNtages and disadvantages of both system. They were written by educTionists, not by parents like me, of limited knowledge.

作者: caa 時間: 15-3-31 10:07

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I do hope to hear comments from first hand parents like foolish.mum who has valuable current personal experience.

作者: jolalee 時間: 15-3-31 11:42

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Shootastar 發表於 15-3-31 09:21
If you want to be a scientist, Ithink US colleges should be a better choice.

My sister in law grew up and studied all her life in Australia, but she is now hired by an Ivy League school in USA as a professor, in astrophysics. Nah, US colleges might be better, but no necessary. Anyhow, I can tell already my son is not math minded, on the other hand his teacher said he fits the IB profile perfectly...

作者: 964000 時間: 15-3-31 12:09 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+jolalee+於+15-3-31+11:43+編

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Have u decided yet?

作者: jolalee 時間: 15-3-31 12:11

My husband cannot decide so I begged and begged for an extension. They were (unwillingly) stretching it until 8am tmr. I am copying and pasting fellow comments I gathered around for his review :)

More (in the know) comments much appreciated!!

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