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shadeslayer

原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 13-12-16 發表
My point exactly, not a lot of people flocked to Finland before, and not a lot of people flocking to ...

You are saying PISA is irrelevant as a measure of education even though it has rigorous sample and tests. You base this on no-flocking.

I am saying flocking is irrelevant as a measure of education because it is arbitrary. There can be a million reasons why people are not flocking to Finland or Shanghai regardless of their education standard.

FattyDaddy

shadeslayer 發表於 13-12-16 11:07
You are saying PISA is irrelevant as a measure of education even though it has rigorous sample and t ...

Nope, I'm saying PISA scores do not represent the overall quality of education of a country or region because it is a very specific set of tests aimed at a very specific age group, no matter how rigorously the tests were conducted. It is like testing the performance of an engine rigorously and claim the result represents the overall performance of a car.

Remember a few posts ago our friend NoahArk asked you "Do the PISA scores have any relevance in your planning?", your answer was a cryptic one ... "Once I understand what other people think, I can talk about what I think", didn't sound like PISA is very important to you either.

shadeslayer

Nope, I'm saying PISA scores do not represent the overall quality of education of a country or region because it is a very specific set of tests aimed at a very specific age group, no matter how rigorously the tests were conducted. It is like testing the performance of an engine rigorously and claim the result represents the overall performance of a car.

Xxxx

I agree the test cannot represent the overall quality of education. Then again what can be used to represent the overall quality of education?  Probably nothing alone can.  The PISA result represents certain aspects of education which is still useful as an indicator for that particular aspect of education.

When someone said Hk education is rubbish, what do they mean?  Certainly not all aspects of HK education is rubbish, right?

FattyDaddy

shadeslayer 發表於 13-12-16 20:55
When someone said Hk education is rubbish, what do they mean?  Certainly not all aspects of HK education is rubbish, right?  ...

Different people will probably give you a different answer, some may dislike the rote learning, some may dislike the amount of repetitive homework, some may dislike the amount of out of school extra tuition, some may dislike memorizing model answers for exams, or any combination of the above.

One would expect Hongkong's consistent high PISA scores to ease the shortage of international school places, not only should locals feel more inclined towards sticking to local schools, but some of the foreign children who come would opt for local schools too if they buy the PISA story, but nothing like that had happened.

nintendo

FattyDaddy 發表於 13-12-16 23:20
Different people will probably give you a different answer, some may dislike the rote learning, some ...

我相信教育不單單是看 "成績"，教育的 "過程" 都好重要。好多亞洲學生，中學都可以成績好好，但去到大學，就唔夠鬼仔抽。就算是我那個年代，亞洲人在外國讀高中，真係乜都殺晒，入到 freshman  成績仍然有睇頭，但去到 sophamore，d 鬼仔真係會追上來，因為他們的思維的確好得多。pisa 的成績我信是公正的，但事實是很多家長對亞洲的教學方式不信任不欣賞就是了。教育除了教學生知識和考試技巧，應該比學生更多思考的空間，和比學生發揮自己的潛能。亞洲人乜都愛 qualtify，見到 pisa  高分就沾沾自喜，但可能轉頭就送小朋友去英國美國讀書。 話時話，自從轉制 nss (dse) 後，幾年幾間名校流失大量中學生，由初中至高中都有，流失的人數比以往多，有心插班入名校，機會來了。

Jackieson

poonseelai 發表於 13-12-14 18:40
這𥚃無人咁講喎

上月EDB就在TKO批地建IS進行地區諮詢, 被LS校長會向區議會聯名反對, 認為當區近年中學人口下降，區內中小學學額均出現供過於求，指國際學校可取錄本地生，會加劇區內學額供過於求的情況。若增加區內學額，有機會導致學校縮班或停辦。又想要政府做野禁止香港市民讀IS !?

shadeslayer

原帖由 Jackieson 於 13-12-17 發表
本帖最後由 Jackieson 於 13-12-17 16:36 編輯

上月EDB就在TKO批地建IS進行地區諮詢, 被LS校長會向區議 ...

如果冇本地人䜖 IS，咁多 IS 學額一下子點算。香港自由開，跟唔到坡仔嗰套。

oooray

睇到呢段我即時笑左出黎!國際學校幾時變左焚化爐/骨灰庵/堆填區?not in my backyard?仲要唔係一般街坊反對,係校長會反對?!如果屬實;就真係好可悲;一群領導學校嘅行政人員竟然有D嘅自私又無知;近乎竭斯底里式為保護自身利益，如驚弓之鳥而亂吠行徑;實在太無知,太抬高自己了!
佢地應該就九龍塘區中小學幼稚園學額長年不足;要求政府多開一百幾十間IS於該區;另要求政府強行將新來港適齡入學學童強制入讀TKO區學校;以保證該區學生源源不絕;各中小學千秋萬世;生意興隆。

Artie

Jackieson 發表於 13-12-17 16:33
上月EDB就在TKO批地建IS進行地區諮詢, 被LS校長會向區議會聯名反對, 認為當區近年中學人口下降，區內中小學 ...

而家的情形係，好多國際學校學生都唔係原區學生，聽過有人由新界去港島讀，亦有港島入新界。
其實國際學校和本地學校唔同 "客源"

oooray

原帖由 Artie 於 13-12-18 發表
本帖最後由 Artie 於 13-12-18 00:29 編輯

所以咪話呢D人無知

Jackieson

oooray 發表於 13-12-18 00:18
睇到呢段我即時笑左出黎!國際學校幾時變左焚化爐/骨灰庵/堆填區?not in my backyard?仲要唔係一般街坊反對, 係校長會反對?!如果屬實;就真係好可悲;...

http://hk.apple.nextmedia.com/realtime/news/20131120/51917865

ikerberg

i just pitty all those HK parents who wish to send their children to IS in order to avoid the catastrophic local school system.  They are willing to spend millions of hard-earned money just to avoid the ever-changing/mis-directed/suffocating local school systems, and yet, they still have to fight very hard for a place in the IS, and a good seat is never guaranteed.  Don't forget this group of high-earners have to spend hundred thousands for tax, yet, they can't get any reward by averting the LS system....... what a pitty, what a pitty

ikerberg

It is not a joke.   I heard a story about a gov't official who after heading the Education Department for a while, the official switched her girl from DGS to GSIS... so, you see ....

ikerberg

if the local system is good enough, I won't bother spending that millions to opt for IS for my 3 kids...fortunately, they all got in our dream IS.... and we feel all those $ spent is worth it..... yet, as said, we can't enjoy any benefit for gov't expenditure on education, but could we have a tax break on it, i.e. could all those $ spent in IS school fees [which we believe is value-for-$] be counted as tax allowance?   Having spent that hundreds thousands on IS school fees every year, and we still need to spend hundreds thousands on TAX [and NOW even for all those new immigrants from China]... who would be happy about this?

ikerberg

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having found a person with the same tone/mindset is worth => thousands likes !!

ikerberg

I do not hate the past local education system that much as the present one.  Afterall, I and my wife could be regarded as the "successful survivors" of this system of intense competition....only that we disliked going to school and the super immense pressure in HKCEE and HKALE,  but by then the system could be regarded as a stable, fruitful one... but after 1997, the change to Cantonese as the medium of instruction was completely against the global trend....  While Japaneses, Koreans, and even Mainland Chinese were heading towards learning English, you stupid TUNG Chee-wah went backward to using more Cantonese/but less English?  It was perhaps for political reason but don't you know that you had dropped a nuclear bomb to the HK education system, stupid old man!?  I have a story to share, i.e. As a kind of 'pro-bono', I used to teach English free-of-charge to some students from humble families in TSW and YL.  Those from the Chinese MOI schools would scare you quite much.  In an oral exercise, I offered a picture with a pyramid and let a student to create a story with it.  But that F.5 student even did not know the word 'pyramid'.. I asked myself why?!  Oh, yes.  I could figure it out later... because when I was in F.1, I used English history textbook from which I learnt the word 'pyramid' but for them, they just know the word 金字塔 from their history textbook written in Chinese.... Very honestly, I don't see any hope for a teen of 16 who doesn't even know the word 'pyramid', and he surely doesn't have a place in this 'Global village' now and later ...... I don't blame him.  He was hardworking.  I would just blame those who got > $400,000 a month to diligently fuxk up the education (and therefore the future) of our younger generations...

ikerberg

One even more scary story was that.  A F.2 student told me.... he could learn all English in 2 years, i.e. each day, he would memorize the words in 2 pages of his English dictionary and he could complete this task in 2 years.  Could we blame him!?