IB課程之反思

Artie

Oh I mean that CKY insist on Chinese A and insist on getting bilingual diploma ...

選科，都要看學生能力。即係例如 math，都有分 hl ，sl 和 math studies。讀 math studies  的實際用途不大，好多大學不承認 math studies 是 high school math。至於讀 math hl 定 math sl，又要看學生將來大學想讀邊科。好多人都話讀文科可以唔駛讀 math sl，但好多學生都照讀。唔好計 d 分計得咁足。我一定唔會比仔女讀 english b。

hkparent

原帖由 Artie 於 13-10-04 發表
本帖最後由 Artie 於 13-10-4 16:03 編輯

Is English literature that important in HK? I'd rather see the English standard of my child and won't force him to do English A if he is good at Chinese literature instead.

samsam123321

Del.

HKTHK

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I actually thought the way Logos does it would also have been a bilingual diploma before.  The change in 2013 was to take away the extended essay option in writing it in another language.
In any event, one can say Logos way is "smart", though this is not the type of "smartness" that I would like to see in my children.

HKTHK

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I think of it as a challenge?  It is not easy to get and I think a mark of someone's achievement in languages.  Though I agree there probably aren't a lot of tangible value.

hkparent

原帖由 samsam123321 於 13-10-04 發表
係香港,現在依一刻英文好,仍然係較易揾好工!

So it is wise to take Eng A and Chi B. But we all say in this forum that Chi will be very important for job seeking in HK. I'm confused. My child is in IS.

poonseelai

Total IB score and the subjects taken are the most important things to consider in terms of university application.  A bilingual diploma will not give you any added benefit.  HK UST does not care whether you take Chinese A or B.  Chinese B and Math studies plus a high DP score can also lead one to a place to study law in Oxford University.   

US top universities will be a different story, though. They would like to see students are expected to challenge themselves.  So a Chinese student taking Chinese B may be a concern; or a student scores a 7 in math studies may be questioned why not taking math SL.

annie40

good point

samsam123321

del.

hkparent

原帖由 poonseelai 於 13-10-04 發表
Total IB score and the subjects taken are the most important things to consider in terms of universi ...

So, if I want to study in US, better take Eng A and Chi A. Bilingual diploma will be an added benefit then.

hkparent

Is it possible for an IS student to score well in Chi A?

cowmoon

I am from a local school myself and in my old days, we had no other choice but HKCEE. My classmates who got a credit (B or C) in English subject (which was definitely "Use of English" without literature element) still got admitted to nice universities in US, Canada or Australia ... and they survived very well.

I just want to say, while we would expect that students from IS should take English A as they are mostly native speakers, I do not agree that Logos let students (who are mostly local HK Chinese) take English B and Chinese A is purely an act of "smartness". It's not just about the language skills but also cultural exposure. And why can't graduates of Logos do well in universities ?

poonseelai

hkparent 發表於 13-10-4 21:19
So, if I want to study in US, better take Eng A and Chi A. Bilingual diploma will be an added benefi ...

Probably yes in terms of rigour of curriculum.  This is however only one of the factors considered by US universities.  As far as I know, the US system is very different.  While HK and the UK focus very much on academic results and why a student is interested in the subject he/she applies for, US universities are more focus on the student as a whole.  They require academic results from year 9 onwards, SAT results, predicted IB grades and extra-curricular activities.  

foolish.mom

Chinese A is not for every one, even considering those grown up and educated in local schools in HK. At our old times, we only took Chinese up to HKCE level, with limited Chinese literature. At A level, most of us didn't take Chinese. So, Chinese A is too hard for me. I got a B in HKCE Chinese, and I think I can only reach the Chinese B higher level requirement of IB.

The language requirement of IB diploma is really tough, if compared with our time when most of us only took "Use of English" to meet the requirement of HKU.

Meeting one Language A requirement is already tough for our kids, if they want to make a high score. If some of them can study 2 Language A, they are talented indeed.

shadeslayer

foolish.mom 發表於 13-10-4 23:04
Chinese A is not for every one, even considering those grown up and educated in local schools in HK. ...

True, so CIS's 12% BD is not bad, I think.

poonseelai

foolish.mom 發表於 13-10-4 23:04
Chinese A is not for every one, even considering those grown up and educated in local schools in HK. ...

True, if a student takes Chinese A, effectively he/she will competing with students in Mainland China.

HKTHK

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I agree with you that US universities do like to see students challenge themselves and it could be in academics, sports, leadership, ....  I also think it is a much better attitude to have in life than "sandbagging"

ANChan59

這篇轉貼文章用了很多二分法的對比，我的看法在0 與1之間有不少組合及優次。

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兩年多前我都出貼討論過Bilingual Diploma  , 當時正籍IBO會在今年改變語文課程，因為當時思路是中英皆A，可以沒有太大結論。我會將Bilingual Diploma 當Bonus, 在 Tie break 時作分野，中大醫學院以 Bilingual Diploma作優先選錄。

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我看不同學校可以對語文要求有不同理解，如果高比率 Bilingual Diploma，但大部份學生入讀的大學及學科只是普通，已反映大學如何評價學生的英文語文能力及真實成績，當學校贏到掌聲，學生不一定拿到更好的學位及機會，家長及學校是值得反思。

現在學校終於開放英文A，已反映學校吸取教訓，回歸正宗的 Bilingual Diploma 定義，雖然遲左 d，但是有進步。

我嘗試參照不同大學的對照，例如港大醫學院的英文要求，A HL要4，A SL要5，B要7，我會將這批學生成績減 2 分作比較及分析。