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回覆:有冇家長后侮選了國際學校,而非傳統小學?

My elder son is 6 years old . He is gifted in languages . His first language is Chinese (Cantonese) . I have to admit he prefers English much more than Chinese . And he can read a lengthy English book but not a much simpler Chinese . We leave him to read whatever he likes until we recently met his school Chinese teacher who has years of teaching experience observing students from different background in my son's school (eg those who started from KG or newcomers from elite local schools). The Chinese standard of those newcomers from  local elite schools are inferior to those who started all the way from KG . She said we (as Chinese family) should support and encourage our kids to build up more vocabulary and read more Chinese books . I don't really care whether my son can ultimately achieve the Beijing standard . We only care about his current standard which is way behind his English standard . We have stepped up the effort and he thus far has improved . More importantly , he also feel he can overcome the Chinese reading and is prepared to face further challenges



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What textbook or curriculum does your school use then?  It is difficult to maintain two first languages and we always do reading in both languages at night.
今日佳句: 我以往也以為國際板的家長也有質素,但現在才知deal with 一些麻煩家長也不易!  

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回覆:有冇家長后侮選了國際學校,而非傳統小學?

From P2 onwards , they use local textbooks . There are also 背默,讀默,reading reports , but the workload is surprisingly not as heavy as local schools . The Chinese teacher said it may be attributed to the fact that they  adopt the teaching  spirit of the British curriculum . By the way , there are students in the school with exceptional Chinese standard .

I can observe there are growing number of Western and non-Chinese kids studying in local schools . They are also struggling to maintain the literacy of their home languages . I think we are also endeavoring the same goal (bilingualism)



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Thanks.  Does local mean HK or Beijing?  I think there are other schools that use HK textbooks but I am sure there must be a change in curriculum somewhere in order to reach Beijing standards which is higher?
今日佳句: 我以往也以為國際板的家長也有質素,但現在才知deal with 一些麻煩家長也不易!  

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回覆:有冇家長后侮選了國際學校,而非傳統小學?

Using local textbooks does not mean that students can achieve local standard . I am sure that different local schools produce students of varying standard . It all boils down to the quality of teachers , workloads and motivation of students . Students in my son's school are motivated to excel in different subjects , be in English , Chinese or Maths . That said , they are not discouraged or belittled by the teachers . By the way , Beijing standard is the target , but I don't think everyone in his school can achieve



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引用:From+P2+onwards+,+they+use+local+textboo

原帖由 Littleho 於 13-04-28 發表
From P2 onwards , they use local textbooks . There are also 背默,讀默,reading reports , but the wo ...
Gifted in languages. Of course it is easy for your child. How much of your child's case can be applicable to ordinary children who form 98% of the population?

Ordinary people achieving both Chinese and English at first language level has always been very very few. Ordinary people spend most of their time on the first language and part time on a secondary language, thereby achieving first language proficiency. Ordinary people spending half of their language time on Chinese and the other half on English and yet achieve both languages at first language level is exceedingly difficult.  This means they need to spend less time than other people and yet achieve the same proficiency level, in both English and Chinese.

Don't forget these bilingual children have to do all other subject like everyone else.



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回覆:有冇家長后侮選了國際學校,而非傳統小學?

It is certainly difficult even for my kids and our family , but don't give excuse for us and our kids to lay back . Our next generation should learn to overcome difficulties and challenges .



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Would be keen to learn how these kids develop over time on their language abilities (maybe looking at their IB results?).  I share the same concern with you that all the finance companies and management consulting firms don't really look at candidates without fluent Mandarin.  Even with language capabilities, HK students still cannot match mainland students in culture and connections.  It is a fact that these companies have smaller and smaller number of HK entrants.  This will continue to be the trend going forward and I would argue that this will spread from the most desirable employments to other industries as well.
今日佳句: 我以往也以為國際板的家長也有質素,但現在才知deal with 一些麻煩家長也不易!  

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引用:回復+Littleho+的帖子 Would+be+keen+to+l

原帖由 HKTHK 於 13-04-28 發表
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Would be keen to learn how these kids develop over time on their language abil ...
I share the same concern with you that all the finance companies and management consulting firms don't really look at candidates without fluent Mandarin

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You use that in present tense so I assume  you talk about present situation.

From years of actual experience working for a European bank, guess what is the one must-have criteria which is consistently not being met by mainland candidates when we hired staff running the China operation? Do you know how much Chinese the top bosses running HK, Taiwan and China operation know?

PS. They have operation in China for tens of years already.



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I know you have the answers, let's hear it!  But you need to think about the difference between the current head of China and the ones in thirty years.
今日佳句: 我以往也以為國際板的家長也有質素,但現在才知deal with 一些麻煩家長也不易!  

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BTW, my guess would be they lack integrity and the head of China today someone from HK or an overseas returnee.
今日佳句: 我以往也以為國際板的家長也有質素,但現在才知deal with 一些麻煩家長也不易!  

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回覆:有冇家長后侮選了國際學校,而非傳統小學?

That's why I started with saying you used present tense so I like to share a "present" situation. Remember, that particular bank has operated in China long before the cultural revolution.

Don't get me wrong, i think Chinese is important for my child's education, but I won't get "better" Chinese at the expense of everything else.  If you look into the future, yes, Chinese can only become more important, but at what rate?  May be we can take a look at the field of science for inspiration.  

Building skyscrapers is easy. However, ten or twenty or thirty years is not a lot of time in terms of education and improving soft skills of a nation.



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引用:回復+shadeslayer+的帖子 BTW,+my+guess+w

原帖由 HKTHK 於 13-04-28 發表
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BTW, my guess would be they lack integrity and the head of China today some ...
The China management based in China has more HK, Singaporean and expats than Chinese.  They all obviously have fluent English, Chinese or not. The regional management based in HK and Singapore who manage greater China region knows practical zero Chinese.

Even junior positions they hire in China "requires" English. People who speaks conversational English can ask for double the salary compared to Chinese only candidates.  Again this is present. God knows how this will change.



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You have a habit of putting words in other peoples' mouth!  I don't recommend getting better Chinese at the expense of everything else either.  What I believe is that, in our kids' generation, those who aren't bilingual (English and Mandarin) will have a very difficult time getting one of those most sought after jobs.

Let's say you just graduated from Oxbridge, one of the Ivy Leauges, Stanford or MIT.  If you are bilingual, you will at least get interviews and it doesn't really matter you went through LS, IS or study abroad.  If you are not bilingual, you may have other great skills but you will have a very tough time finding an ibank or consulting job in HK or China.  It is already happening today at the analysts and associates recruiting levels.  There are already plenty of mainland bilingual students from these schools.  Of course, there are plenty of other jobs out there as well but I am just using this as an example since these are still the most sought after jobs today.


I think I know which bank you are referring to.  What I have observed is more at ibanks and consulting firms since their intake are much smaller.  My guess is it will just be a matter of time before it spreads to other banks and MNCs.
今日佳句: 我以往也以為國際板的家長也有質素,但現在才知deal with 一些麻煩家長也不易!  

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本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 13-4-28 23:56 編輯

The bank I referred to is a foreign ibank. Fact is, if you work for a foreign MNC, English is still the business language. It does not matter whether it is China, Indonesia or Pakistan, they need almost everyone to know English well. Of course if you work for local or Chinese banks, the de facto language is therefore Chinese/Mandarin.  But as a HK person without Mainland connections and you want to be successful in a mainland Chinese corporation, good luck.  After all, the society don't need everyone to work for MNCs and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Like I said, the company I refer to, the greater China management team has no mainland Chinese and most of them do not know a word of Chinese.  Will foreign ibanks, commercial banks or MNCs change their business language to Chinese/Mardarin, and when?  I don't know.  Your guess is as good as mine.


I did not say your children gain better Chinese at the expense of everything else.  I said I would not want my child to gain "better" Chinese at the expense of everything else.  Don't get me wrong, I do want my child to achieve as good Chinese as possible within reasons, given she is not gifted.  

Of course the university you attend is more important than secondary school, which is more important than primary school.  But primary & secondary schools have a much bigger impact in shaping who you really are deep down.  The broad character of a child is basically formed before entering university. Local or International curriculum do make a difference.



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大家無謂agrue, 囯際學校的中文, 真係....

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2013.04.29爽報 - 健康頭條:壓力爆煲 名校姊妹抑鬱

本港青少年自小面對學業及家長等壓力,隨時壓力爆煲引發焦慮及抑鬱症,一對考入名校的姊妹因不堪讀書壓力,姊姊周身疼痛兼兩個月內暴瘦22磅,妹妹更萌自殺念頭,後確診同患上抑鬱症,經治療後正逐漸康復。

姊周身痛暴瘦 妹圖自殺
阿嫻(化名)的大女Ann(化名)及細女阿怡(化名)同就讀北區一間名校,2011年剛升中的阿怡因不習慣新環境及成績一般,常哭泣及曾企圖在學校天台自殺;半年後性格內向但成績頂尖的Ann亦出現失眠、頭痛、肚痛和牙痛等,兩個月暴瘦22磅,「唔沖涼又唔食嘢,連最鍾意買化妝品都冇心機」。
阿嫻帶Ann遍尋各專科醫生診治均無效,心情極痛苦,「好似十號風球打埋嚟,我情願你攞我命」。兩姊妹經轉介到大埔那打素醫院兒童精神科,證實同患抑鬱症。該院臨床心理學家劉澤俊稱,Ann的負面情緒影響身體致出現各種痛症,兩姊妹經治療後正逐步康復。
該院兒童精神科副顧問醫生巫綺文表示,青少年時期抑鬱症的病發率為3%至9%,青少年罹患抑鬱症原因包括家族史、外在環境如學業壓力等,家長若發現子女有異常,需盡快求醫。該院去年新設兒童及青少年全人健康服務中心怡晴軒,為區內18歲以下抑鬱患者提供心理治療,包括沙遊治療(Sandplay Therapy),讓病人透過沙創造不同角色和故事,從而打開心窗。

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如果真的要犧

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如果真的要犧牲中文而換來健康,也是值得。況且、在香港讀IS並不等於就完全犧牲了中文。香港中文環境完善、資源豐富 - 只要家長努力和堅持,還是可以學好中文的。 但是,在絕大部份的LS,相反的情況就不然了。

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回覆:有冇家長后侮選了國際學校,而非傳統小學?

I would suggest to learn more about bilingualism / multilingualism .



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