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發表於 08-5-21 18:08 |只看該作者
that is what I think too.

but VSA makes it clear that they don't provide chinese A2 at this moment.

DBS seem to have chinese A2 in their plan.

actually I have not seen sample of chinese A2.

原文章由 hysterical 於 08-5-21 17:49 發表
If you are targeting top universities in US or UK, I would assume that you must take English HL as A1 language. This is necessary to show your English level.

For Extended Essay, it can be in any lan ...


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發表於 08-5-21 18:12 |只看該作者
I think they got text book in secondary, one father even told me that his son in F4 in ESF will "drill" through 10 years past papers.

原文章由 christf 於 08-5-21 18:09 發表
IS doesn't use any text books in junior primary education. I am not very sure on upper primary but it is sure that text books will be used in secondary.

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原文章由 mattsmum 於 08-5-21 18:08 發表
that is what I think too.

but VSA makes it clear that they don't provide chinese A2 at this moment.

DBS seem to have chinese A2 in their plan.

actually I have not seen sample of chinese A2.

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My kid at ESF also target to take English A1 and Chinese A2.  They have to take GCSE but also need to start to practise doing some IB essay starting year 7 just like under MYP.  So they are learning both GCSE and IB cirriculum.

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發表於 08-5-21 21:17 |只看該作者
There is no single curriculum or no single school that would meet the needs of everyone. It is good that we are living in a place where there are so many choices. Local government subsidised schools, private schools, DSS, international schools, the choices are there for you to consider. And there must be reasons why different kinds/types of schools and curriculum exist. Different types of schools and curriculum can and should co-exist in Hong Kong in a more friendly atmosphere. I agree that we need to have that school spirit and it is right to be patriotic. But I am sure we should at the same time respect other people.

Getting accreditation of PYP and MYP or not, it is up to a school. And those that did, they are merely following what the IBO want them to do for primary and secondary schools.

Of course, getting IB accreditation does not mean that a school would be the best school. In fact, I think no single parent has said that getting IB accreditation means that a school would be best for every on. I like the fact that our school has got the accreditation though, because I want to be sure that they are indeed following what the IBO expect a school to be doing.

IB is a different curriculum. It is definitely not the best curruculum because it definitely is not suitable for everyone. In fact, I do agree that IB is probably quite not as "good" as GCSE in a sense that it is much more demanding than GCSE. So the same student is less likely to get top scores with IB. Practically speaking, you are less likely to ace all subjects. Even with PYP program, you can see that the program is asking for a lot from those young children. I like IB though, because I think IB can bring out the strenghts of children. Yes, the curriculum is demanding the children are less likely to ace. However, I am perfectly happy with my children's school. My children are doing well at school, not because they are particularly smart, not because IB is the best curriculum, and also not because their school is the best. They are doing well because this combination, ie my children + IB + the school is just the right match. Parents need to be supportive and students need to be in full gear all the time. There are so many things going on and students have different chances to develop and show what they are strong in. I like the program because it work well with my children. I would not be surprised if there are other children that cannot perform as well with IB. It is like marriage. You have to be looking for the right man/woman. So you need to really try to understand what IB is, and what is expected from you and your child. If you do not like IB, just stay away from it. It is that simple. The fact that you do not like it, or your child does not fit in, does not mean that I do not like it , or my child cannot fit in.

IB has always been a hot topic. I have seen the same heat or flames regarding international schools in general from local school parents.
I am not surprised at this phenomena.
They are not the mainstream choices in Hong Kong and a lot of people are just not willing to accept the fact that there are others that do not want to follow the same "main path" they are doing. These same "others" merely want to choose what they think is suitable and they never intend to consider themselves better than those in the main stream.

Now with this in mind, may be parents with children in non-IB school would be less hostile over IB school.

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發表於 08-5-21 22:19 |只看該作者
Pls excuse my ignorance when I pose a silly question. If your concern is mainly in Chinese, why would you choose a school like VSA over a traditional local Chinese school like 華仁?

It seems to me that if someone takes Chinese A1 and English B on the IBD exam, that would not pose any advantage in college admissions into top universities overseas (ie US/UK universities). Unless their targets are university in HK?? But in that case, why bother with these local IB schools at all?



原文章由 mattsmum 於 08-5-21 15:59 發表
thank you for your advise on bilingual cert. as my concern is in chinese, i only comment on chinese lang ...

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發表於 08-5-21 22:35 |只看該作者
I am searching for answer, i know the local system too well but not that well for IB or IS, so I ask around trying to find out answer.

原文章由 hysterical 於 08-5-21 22:19 發表
Pls excuse my ignorance when I pose a silly question. If your concern is mainly in Chinese, why would you choose a school like VSA over a traditional local Chinese school like 華仁?

It seems to me t ...

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阿胡

Don't think that RC is easy to get in nowadays.  The competion are so keen.

My friend's son was rejected by RC last year and went to ICS finally.


原文章由 阿胡 於 08-5-21 12:39 發表


一間國際學校都進不了? 連RC都不行?

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原文章由 JCMum 於 08-5-21 22:41 發表
阿胡

Don't think that RC is easy to get in nowadays.  The competion are so keen.

My friend's son was rejected by RC last year and went to ICS finally.


明白. 多謝.

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原文章由 mattsmum 於 08-5-21 22:35 發表
I am searching for answer, i know the local system too well but not that well for IB or IS, so I ask around trying to find out answer.


mattsmum,

I agree with hysterical.  If your concern is Chinese, IS is not your cup of tea.  DBS /SPCC will suit your most.  Apart from VSA, have you asked ISF or CKY?  I guess ISF and CKY may allow students doing English A1 + Chinese A1 as they claim that they target at IB Bilingual.  Besides, Yew Chung also has done IB Bilingual for many years too.

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發表於 08-5-22 09:20 |只看該作者

回覆 #1 WYmom 的文章

thank you WYmom,

I did not make my statement too clear: when I said my conern is on chinese, it is actually a responding message of chinese as compared to french or german as the second lang. under IB bilingual cert.

the more I found out, the more I have to think.

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原文章由 almom 於 08-5-21 21:17 發表
There is no single curriculum or no single school that would meet the needs of everyone. It is good that we are living in a place where there are so many choices. Local government subsidised schools,  ...



Thanks almon.  My thought exactly.  Your post saves me a lot of typing work (and I can't put it better).

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發表於 08-5-22 10:19 |只看該作者
原文章由 mattsmum 於 08-5-22 09:20 發表
thank you WYmom,

I did not make my statement too clear: when I said my conern is on chinese, it is actually a responding message of chinese as compared to french or german as the second lang. under  ...


mattsmum,

Hope you share more your findings with us.  It's always good for us to have more choices.  Thanks.

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原文章由 WYmom 於 08-5-22 10:19 發表
.....

  It's always good for us to have more choices.  Thanks.


好的國際學校如此難進, 真是選擇越來越少.  

學費就越來越貴.

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發表於 08-5-22 10:35 |只看該作者
Almon,
Good write up...

Correct me if I am wrong,
IB is similar to what we are doing in university.. more thinking , projects and essays while tradiitonal education use "exam" as a qualification process and make all the kids focus on how to tackle the exam.
But all the kids will do the same thing in university and it depends how you plan for development of your kids.

In terms of language skills development (1st & 2nd), will the kids are better in IS, IS (IB) or Local (IB) or Local DSS or Local Local.






原文章由 almom 於 08-5-21 21:17 發表
There is no single curriculum or no single school that would meet the needs of everyone. It is good that we are living in a place where there are so many choices. Local government subsidised schools,  ...

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回覆 #110 christf 的文章

Now I realize why I can't make my student know what I am talking about. Indeed I never say PYP, MYP is of no use nor on the other extreme high importance. It's the choice of school and it did serve a purpose of let outsider know exactly the standard of student if they need to change study place(eg. move out HK). For those long history IS, they need not acquire it as they think others should know the internal standard.
Regarding the IS teaching, I just said some of the IS not necessary adopt the activity approach from early pri. to G12. Different countries education emphasis may not be the same. Personally, I agree IS teaching mode should more than as I mentioned as language and exam structure. If my family need to change culturally in order to let my child suit the IS environment and aviod confusion, I rather not acquiring that just for the purpose of high English standard. Down to earth, I am yellow skin and black hair, I would feel very strange for my kids to adopt English as their first lang.

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We've been debating which track/curriculum based on the assumption that the children are the top achievers.

How about if the child is only mediocre? What if he is just of average intelligence and have no special talent? Which track/curriculum would be most suitable then?

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原文章由 hysterical 於 08-5-22 17:57 發表
We've been debating which track/curriculum based on the assumption that the children are the top achievers.

How about if the child is only mediocre? What if he is just of average intelligence and ha ...


如果孩子資質平平, 我仍然認為讀IS好過本地"名校". 原因是, 英美大學多, 工作機會也多, 特別是美國. 萬一要回來, 英文也是好過香港本地的畢業生. 工作機會也多一點.

除了少數幾個好學生外, 本地進入大學的普通學生, 基本上中英文都不好. 有大學教授說, 大學三年好多學生都是在混日子. 讀三年, 抄三年(互相抄功課也).

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回覆 #138 hysterical 的文章

I also agree he/she should study in IS but not because of the job opp. in western. The most opp.(job or business) should in China. The reason is just not to stop them reading by those boring exam.. Lang. itself should not be a major issue since domestic helper also had this skill although their accent is terrrible. Mr. Tin actually get the point since all that important is the knowledge itself rather than the Lang.. Although English is worldwide but it just as an communication tool indeed, nothing more. Some of my colleagues just can't accept their child get into local Chinese Sec. School and the result is even worse but they never review why the kid behave like that.
One more point is we should believe every child should have one or more area of interest. It just the matter of us how to help them develop.

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