小 學 咪 催 谷

Yukyuk

"左 丁 山 請 評 馬 Ｆ 多 帶 兒 子 往 圖 書 館 、 博 物 館 、 書 局 ， 屋 企 擺 多 中 英 文 書 ， 營 造 讀 書 氣 氛 ， 必 要 性 陪 埋 佢 一 齊 讀 ， 一 齊 睇 英 文 卡 通 、 睇 英 語 國 家 地 理 頻 道 ， 以 身 作 則 。 呢 個 方 法 需 時 甚 久 ， 但 係 讀 書 邊 會 有 捷 徑 。
左丁山 "

講得好!



  

eviepa

Matt'smum 寫道:
小 學 咪 催 谷


古 語 有 云 ： 小 時 了 了 ， 大 未 必 佳 。 一  著 名 小 學 對 學 生 施 以 極 大 壓 力 ， 學 生  到 八 十 七 分 都 要 召 見 家 長 訓 話 ： 「 你 位 千 金 追 唔 上 進 度 喎 ， 大 部 份 同 班 同 學 都 有 九 十 五 分 ， 你 要 同 貴 子 弟 補 習 至 得 。 」 補 鬼 補 馬 咩 ， 小 學 考 第 一 ， 呃 自 己 歡 喜 而 已 。 有 天 份 先 至 會 由 幼 稚 園 到 大 學 畢 業 都 考 第 一 ， 而 呢 類 學 生 往 往 係 唔 使 父 母 催 谷 、 補 習  。 絕 大 部 份 其 他 學 生 都 唔 會 由 頭 帶 到 尾 ， 往 往 讀 完 中 學 ， 精 力 已 盡 ， 厭 惡 讀 書 求 學 ， 只 會 成 為 考 試 機 器 。

呢段最精警。我見過不少小學被催 谷得成績很好的小朋友，家長沾沾自喜。但到中學時卻  "精 力 已 盡 ， 厭 惡 讀 書 求 學 " ，家長只懂責怪孩子沒有自發性，而沒有自我反省。

Tommy

故事的發展是，年近半百的爸爸媽媽，自己都「精 力 已 盡」，已不再堅持，只好認命，只有恨鐵不成鋼，最後大人同細路雙雙放棄。我有一親戚小時名列前茅，現時在麥當奴全職賣漢堡飽。

AaronMummy

An Excellent Description. I always think this is very true. I don't agree our media in HK always emphasis on those 10A students. They are good, of course, but it seems that their future career doesn't be any better than those 5A or 6A or even 0A students. It is funny to learn from a survey that in UK, half of the "successful" CEO are not successful in academics. It seems that the most important thing, I do agree with Mr Jor, is to nurture a kid's reading skills and analytical skills. Creativitiy is also important. Horse is like human. Trying to push one's kids to outperform maybe is just a way to show off their kids to others.

Sindy

點叫做/介定為催谷呢?   

blythe

Sindy 寫道:
點叫做/介定為催谷呢?   

睇左都唔明呀!請 人 補 習lo...      

睡覺

左生講得好講得妙講得有道理...

所以，我而加搵到一間聽聞係好快樂的小學俾仔仔...等佢開開心心咁學習，等佢培養主動學習的興趣和動機。

咁....仲駛驚佢會追唔上咩.....       

Vernique2005

hm...少少意見﹐ 補習有時又不一定是谷的﹐也有家長請補習只是為了讓孩子多和人溝通和吸收課外知識﹐可以是好愉快的學習。同樣地﹐有些主張愉快學習的地方到頭來學生的確是非常愉快﹐但就什麼都學不了。在教書或實施教改時﹐最重要是切忌極端化。

教育是好奇怪的﹐ 沒有一個方法是完美的﹐就算是單對單教﹐都要不停地轉換方法﹐但當方法不是最完美時﹐當學生的其實可以學著適應一點﹐這對將來發展都好有幫助。

是不是谷﹐其實好容易看﹐試問當家長的﹐難道真的會不了解自己孩子的學習能力嗎﹖如果是正常的鼓勵﹐孩子在接受挑戰的同時能感受得到成功感﹐不會給壓力或太早的成功令自己迷失方向就已經很好。

壓力太大﹐就算真的成功了﹐也不會覺得快樂﹐同樣地﹐一個被外界誤導為是天才的孩子﹐看見自己的發展平平﹐那種悔恨﹐那種不甘﹐就會慢慢變得沒鬥志。這兩條路的終點都是一樣﹐ 一個被父母擺布了的悲哀人生。。。。

mattsmum

Vernique2005 寫道:
補習有時又不一定是谷的﹐也有家長請補習只是為了讓孩子多和人溝通和吸收課外知識﹐可以是好愉快的學習。同樣地﹐有些主張愉快學習的地方到頭來學生的確是非常愉快﹐但就什麼都學不了。在教書或實施教改時﹐最重要是切忌極端化。

agree.

"自然中的一切都有其成長和發展的規律。"

youma

Sindy 寫道:
點叫做/介定為催谷呢?   

問得好.

"左 丁 山 請 評 馬 Ｆ 多 帶 兒 子 往 圖 書 館 、 博 物 館 、 書 局 ， 屋 企 擺 多 中 英 文 書 ， 營 造 讀 書 氣 氛 ， 必 要 時 陪 埋 佢 一 齊 讀 ， 一 齊 睇 英 文 卡 通 、 睇 英 語 國 家 地 理 頻 道 ..."

這還不算催谷?

我認為
1. {愉快學習}其實是句廢話. 那有學習不愉快?
2. 小朋友不愉快是因為跟不上課程. 與同學們程度距離越遠, 信心就越低. :-|
3. 小時叻而大個脫腳的, 有, 但畢竟少數.

Sindy

youma 寫道:
[quote]
Sindy 寫道:
點叫做/介定為催谷呢?   

問得好.

"左 丁 山 請 評 馬 Ｆ 多 帶 兒 子 往 圖 書 館 、 博 物 館 、 書 局 ， 屋 企 擺 多 中 英 文 書 ， 營 造 讀 書 氣 氛 ， 必 要 時 陪 埋 佢 一 齊 讀 ， 一 齊 睇 英 文 卡 通 、 睇 英 語 國 家 地 理 頻 道 ..."

這還不算催谷?

我認為
1. {愉快學習}其實是句廢話. 那有學習不愉快?
2. 小朋友不愉快是因為跟不上課程. 與同學們程度距離越遠, 信心就越低. :-|
3. 小時叻而大個脫腳的, 有, 但畢竟少數. [/quote]

英雄所見略同呀

jbma

我想"催谷"的定義是父母教孩子的心態.

如你給小朋友學習樂器是為了直此考入一所好的中學或將來能用這來謀生,而不是給他/她們一門興趣,我想這是"催谷".

給小朋友到外上英文課時,每每小心眼地看人家教的東西是否能比自己學校深,而不是着眼於小朋友是否上課時投入,能否不怕與外籍老師交談,這也是"催谷".

每天放工回家,只是問孩子:[做好了家課沒有?][我給你的補充完成了嗎?][默書派了沒有?],接着再跟他/她們温習或備課,請他/她們自己看書和寫閱讀報告........然後很可悲地請他/她們睡覺.而不是問他/她們今天有什麼事情(開心或不開心)可以分享,並一家人看看書,說說笑.這更加是"催谷".

大家可以靜下來想一想,我們對孩子安排的日程裏,是否都充滿了我們的"目的","期望",這只有自己才能知道.

Flyer

I don't agree with the way of those traditional teaching method.  They require students to finish 7 to 8 pieces of homeworks every day plus dictations, so sooner or later, the student will loss interest of studying coz they don't have time on reading and doing/explore what they like.  Even attending those ECA, there's still a lot of competition which they need to compete with others by scores.

For me, I also don't agree with dictation, I noticed my daughter can do 100% correct but after few weeks later, she seems forget most of them.  The importance I believe is they learn from the book and imply or use it not only memorize it.  I think Int'l school offer more space for creativity through their learning which children really found learning is interesting and fun.

Of course, it may not fit to all children.  But once they go to the University, you will find big difference (acadamic) between those feed-duct and those free-hand style.

睡覺

agree.....英雄所見略同﹗﹗﹗   

Flyer 寫道:
I don't agree with the way of those traditional teaching method.  They require students to finish 7 to 8 pieces of homeworks every day plus dictations, so sooner or later, the student will loss interest of studying coz they don't have time on reading and doing/explore what they like.  Even attending those ECA, there's still a lot of competition which they need to compete with others by scores.

For me, I also don't agree with dictation, I noticed my daughter can do 100% correct but after few weeks later, she seems forget most of them.  The importance I believe is they learn from the book and imply or use it not only memorize it.  I think Int'l school offer more space for creativity through their learning which children really found learning is interesting and fun.

Of course, it may not fit to all children.  But once they go to the University, you will find big difference (acadamic) between those feed-duct and those free-hand style.

lochan

I feel sorry for those parents who said that kids not happy due to unable to catch up with the other kids. Think about it, who is more disappointed, you or your kid? Who made the kid possess this kind of feeling, you? teacher? or school? If it is you, then you need to change your mindset. If it is the school, change the school!

I 've seen so many cases, not "a few" that someone has mentioned that those did so-so in primary and secondary school did excel in University. To nurture a child, homework ,schooling is only a small part of the whole package. Another important part is how to develop a child's character, to inspire his creativity, to have his own ideas (some parents go extreme to suppress it which is so sad!), to be responsible for his acts, to respect other people. These good virtues cannot be reflected from report cards but is way more important than the ranking in the report cards which most parents are crazy about. While some parents always says,"son, you don't know what I did for you, it's all for you, study hard and get high marks, then you will succeed... etc etc" . Do you ever know what your child actually wants, do you ever for once, care about your child's feeling? IF you don't, you need to find out what's wrong with yourselves, not your child.

睡覺

這就是d人唔明白點解而加d所謂大學生(之前有果位醫學博士撞到人不負責任的新聞) 或高學歷的人點解會係讀 "c 片"的因素也。

香港人點解會咁cool，點解急功近利，點解唔識處理感情問題，點解終日只會奔波勞碌唔知為乜，.......點會咁自私自利。

全部都係我們的社會，做父母的一手造成。

既然事到如今，大家都無能力敢退返後一步，唯有硬著頭皮繼續上，咁，lli個谷死人社會，會逼到新的一代愈黎愈多人自殺和精神有問題。

昨天我就聽一位朋友講屯門一間brand 1小學有小朋友因壓力太多患上精神病。

香港人的緊張生活和壓力指數愈黎愈高，如果家長們再不思其失，將來，結果會點....？？可能都無命睇了。

poor 新一代﹗

當然也不能怪家長，我自己都身處係咁ge社會，可以咁容易脫離嗎？

我的做法是，我會搵一間愉快學習的學校俾佢，然後等佢回家仍然精神奕奕，佢本身已經係好緊張的人，......
咁，我再跟佢個人進度同佢一起學習學校所學以外的東西，甚至可以學更高程度的，全部依佢進度，佢交代的係我，咁，就彈性多啦，係學校happy完，回家學習更多，佢識的東西唔駛再操練，唔似學校，佢而加仲要寫1-20.....佢根本已超出此程度好多，但可以唔做嗎？明明識串aeroplane...學校可能仲要佢寫二十個。

簡直浪費佢的手力和時間。

咁，不如找一間快快樂樂又溫情(催谷的學校好難做到溫情也，人數又多)的學校，然後回家跟自己發展進度，咁，簡直係兩全其美...

一定要讓孩子知道，人生在世，我們不是機械人....呀﹗﹗﹗

Vernique2005

To be frank, I'm from both traditional schools in HK and "new style" schools in Canada.  I like both!  In fact, I really want to defend traditional schools sometimes!

I don't find dictation a completely bad thing, as long as the parents dont' stress for 100%.  When I was young, my parents helped me with my dictation every week.  I always managed to get 100% (as what 95% of my classmates did).  Once, I only got 85%.  Instead of yelling me for this, my parents simply asked me what went wrong.  To us, dictation is just a regular check-up.  Nothing more.

Routinely, I had about 9 assignments per day at traditional schools.  However, if everyone else is doing the same thing, nobody would find it "wrong" or "strange".  In fact, you will even find ways to finish your HW more quickly so that you'll have more playing time.

I respect good traditional schools.  I love their values and their morals.  If you look up to the international standard, the best mathematicians are always from traditional schools in China, Russia or Korea.  The same thing hold true for other subjects (piano, gymastics, physics, etc). Japan is known for its "spoon-feed" style of education, yet it nurtures so many creative engineers and cartoonists! The best professors I've seen are mostly from traditional/independent schools.  Does it mean that all these people's childhood, including mine, are ruined?

Certainly, not everyone at traditional schools find their schools a nice place to go to.  Why?  Go ask their parents.

When I was in form one, a classmate of mine came up to me very depressed.  She told me that her mom physically throw away the girl's report card into the garbage can........If it weren't the mother, my classmate could still be one of the most active girls in class.  If it weren't the mother, my friend could still have confidence in learning.......

Is it really problems with traditional schools or with dogmatic parents?  Sometimes, I even think that the children of these parents still won't be happy even when they are sent to international schools.  I've seen examples where the parents feel that the international schools give their children "NOT ENOUGH HW" and basically overwhelm their children with extra math problems and writing exercises......

As I've always said, the worst education does not come from a bad school, but from the parent's misjudgement...

睡覺

數學家由傳統學校而來係好正常不過，佢地通常線性思考模式比較強，如果佢係九型人格中的思考型，佢地邏輯思維較強，相較創造力或感情和直覺能力可能較弱，所以，佢地適宜生存係傳統學校比較著重左腦思考模式的教學方式；加上佢地比較冷靜，....唔鍾意太彈性，睇好多事物都較理性，因此，要佢地係活動教學學校，反而較辛苦，甚至不快樂。

因此，了解你孩子的學習模式和性格係好重要的。

我識得一個小朋友，以前同我阿仔同一間學校但唔同班，佢就係果種學業成績很好，很聰明，但音樂唱遊遊戲社交方面等等就較弱，佢唔鍾意同小朋友玩，覺得很無聊，數學真的很不錯，明顯佢係左腦主導多，咁，佢家人安排一間傳統功課多程度深的學校，我都覺得很適合佢，以佢的能力應付自如。壓力也不會太大，因佢喜歡咁樣學習。

但，如果係好似我阿仔咁ge脾性(和我一樣)，鍾意古古怪怪整古做怪，鍾意活潑和多變的教學模式，鍾意彈性和非線生思考(當然阿仔左右腦都比較平均，佢有時係用兩隻手)，好著重人性感性人情味，喜用直覺，但也用邏輯，咁，始終古靈精怪，要佢讀傳統學校就係逼c佢。

我同佢去兒童評估中心度做評估後，醫生見佢幼稚園唔適應，話佢係唔適合傳統學校，最好搵間活動教學模式比佢。

因此，最重要的議題是唔好只係跟風，請以小朋友的能力、性格來為佢選校。...否則，受害的是自己的孩子呀﹗

三思﹗三思﹗

TWMa

the worst education does not come from a bad school, but from the parent's misjudgement...

    

陪女兒學琴, 她有些地方做得不夠好, 老師便告訴我平時練琴需注意的地方, 見她頓時顯得很不開心, 課後老師卻給她獎勵, 令她大惑不解. 我告訴她, 不是全部正確才叫叻, 俾心機即使有錯也是叻, 老師知道妳有俾心機, 所以有獎勵.
學習, 傳統也好, 創意愉快也罷, 父母心態很重要, 多鼓勵孩子用心做事, 而不是只著眼名次及分數的追逐, 孩子自然會喜愛學習, 主動學習.