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cellon

esmond88 發表於 12-2-25 19:10
For a family with 5 members ( Parents and three kids ) with family  income  HKD 650,000

Based on HYS fee remission scheme, :  http://www.hys.edu.hk/english/feeremissiontable.pdf
This family can get 25% fee remission rate .
P.S. HYS don't use the housing expense on fee remission calculation.

For GHS case, they use both income and housing expense on fee remission calculation.

I have tried this  scenario  as following :

Annual family income : 650,000 ( monthly income HKD 54.000 )
Monthly Mortgage : 15,000 (I think this mortgage repayment amount is fair enough )
Three kids , with one study on Aided school, one study on DSS school, and one is apply GHS.

Then using GHS website Fee Remission Calculator, this family can get 25% fee remission. Therefore, to be fair, both HYS and GHS offer similar fee remission rate based on same scenario .I raise up this data, my purpose is to give a fair comparison on two school fee remission.

You have the conclusion that they are the same because you MADE them to be the same by adding assumptions like the following:
- Monthly Mortgage : 15,000 (I think this mortgage repayment amount is fair enough )
- Three kids , with one study on Aided school, one study on DSS school, and one is apply GHS

Could you tell us if they are really the same if the above assumptions are removed?

Example 1:
1. Annual family income : 650,000
2.  Monthly Mortgage : 15,000
3. Three kids , with one study on Aided school, one study on Govt school, and one is apply GHS

What will be the fee remission in both schools?

Example 2:
1. Annual family income : 650,000
2.  Monthly Mortgage : 15,000
3. Two Dependent parent
4. One kid who is applying GHS

What will be the fee remission in both schools?

esmond88

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cellon

Example 3:
1. Annual family income : 650,000
2.  Monthly Mortgage : 15,000
3. One Dependent parent
4. Two kids, One study on Aided School, one is applying GHS

What will be the fee remission in both schools?

hhy2007

Frankly speaking, the HYS scheme looks better, as it simplifies the application procedure and broadens the range of the benefited families, making more middle-class families be able to enjoy a certain percentage of fee remission.  For GHS scheme, there may be some families who would manipulate the monthly mortgage so as to be qualified for school fee remission.   

cellon

Example 4:
1. Annual family income : 650,000
2.  Monthly Mortgage : 12,000
3. Three kids, One study on Aided School, One study on DSS, one is applying GHS

What will be the fee remission in both schools?

cellon

hhy2007 發表於 12-2-25 19:33
Frankly speaking, the HYS scheme looks better, as it simplifies the application procedure and broadens the range of the benefited families, making more middle-class families be able to enjoy a certain percentage of fee remission...

Frankly speaking, the HYS scheme looks better, as it simplifies the application procedure and broadens the range of the benefited families, making more middle-class families be able to enjoy a certain percentage of fee remission by asking other middle-class families to pay for them.

hhy2007

Cellon,

You are funny, and I like your quoting.
Anyway, I just don't think those families with an annual income above $650,000 would think it is an issue for school to use 30% of fee income for financial aid. For those who are against the scheme, they won't apply. Fair enough.

szema

Thanks Edmond88

Cellon, 如果我冇記錯，HY好似只係話預留不多於30%作為助學之用，唔係40%。另外，如樓主所言，65萬年薪係for五人家庭，其實都唔算好有錢的高薪中產 啫！5人家庭洗費都好大啊！我自己都唔認同平民直資要收3萬蚊一年，其實收平D等多D人feel free to apply 仲好，不過平心而論，呢個remission scheme都好合理！

Golf007

我認同 Cellon 話 HYS 批資助比較寛鬆 （這點其實在簡介會上他們的副校長也說過，網頁上也清楚列明資助的細節）所以考 HYS 就應該預左。但問題係你有吾揀佢嘅自由。所以我吾認同 Cellon 將雙非父母用來相提並論，因為我無得揀吾做香港人（或者可以話係無能力吾做香港人）。

cellon

Golf007 發表於 12-2-25 23:54
我認同 Cellon 話 HYS 批資助比較寛鬆 （這點其實在簡介會上他們的副校長也說過，網頁上也清楚列明資助的細節）所以考 HYS 就應該預左。但問題係你有吾揀佢嘅自由。 ...

其實這個討論的開始，是有網友問我為什麼要放棄某校的offer。以上便是其中一個不選擇某校的理由。其他的理由還有：行政混亂，朝令夕改；近年成績在退步中(這點看看khmama 的資料便知，不討論了)。
但若要反駁說：「你這個不選擇它的理由不成立，因為你可以不選擇它。」我就只好了。

算了吧，不再討論了。一來重複，二來害怕像某網友一樣：她在此討論區寫出某校的問題，結果被某家長留言黑心的詛咒她女兒。

Good night. Good luck to all of you.

Golf007

Cellon

大家討論問題其實無需咁在意對錯，尤其是為愛女選擇學校更加係主觀願望，我並沒有話你吾選擇HYS嘅理由不成立，相反我認為你嘅理由非常充分，所以既然你有自由吾揀佢，咁梗係吾揀啦！可能會有網友話，你吾like HYS又報？不過我覺得呢樣野無可厚非，呢度個個都係叻仔叻女，梗係報齊DGS SPCC SPCS GHS HYS 然後再慢慢揀，自由選擇嗎。

所以既然你放棄HYS而選GHS咁我就WIsh you every success in GHS

至於HYS，第一年搞直資梗會有d野吾完善，比d時間佢啦！

cellon

wunma 發表於 12-2-26 15:07
各人選擇本有自由, 認清真相才重要. 因不滿學費減免制度而放棄, 我個人認為是心態問題, 因大家學費差不多, 只是不想把部分分給其他人, 實在可惜; 至於行政問題, 德望會否令你失望, 只有祝你好運了. (本不應比較兩所好學校, 但協恩除了成績外, 其他各方面都比德望優勝, 這是事實, 放棄她日後不要後悔才好).

學費減免制度只是其中一個問題的表徵，其他問題包括：成績下跌(根據khmama 資料，已由B1A跌至B1B)，行政混亂，過份利用傳媒吹噓等等。

這裡很多網友都知，我放棄offer時，根本未收到其他學校的offer，我不是基於「找到更好的而放棄次好」的心態。放棄只因太失望了，可能曾經抱太大希望：實在懷念黎太、劉太當校長時那一間真真正正的「平民名校」和那一群默默耕耘的教育工作者。例如，那時，那群熱心建立一間平民名校的教育工作者不會說：「我哋成日講鬥心」，亦不會誇張的吹噓：「八級鋼琴不值一哂，過往逾八成報讀學生都擁有此資歷。」

不必爭論了，祝各位找到一間理想的學校。

Good luck and best wishes to everyone!

santander

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I appreciate your guts to give up HYS offer, it is really not easy.