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轉為直資的英中名校,有何政策避免學校「貴族化」?   [複製鏈接]

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發表於 13-5-30 13:20 |顯示全部帖子
回復 judy 的帖子

Agree, there will always be people who are "richer" or with more social assets like connections and networks.  Giving up or avoiding the problem doesn't seem a good solution.  I think it is important for kids to learn how to deal with these "situations".  And it is all about the parents' values and thinking.  Sadly, for kids who are bright and smart enough to get in, I would imagine many of them would be able to deal with these issues with some guidance.  I think it is these "hand in the sand" parents who are the problems.
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發表於 13-5-30 14:29 |顯示全部帖子
回復 囝囝爸 的帖子

But if one were to have a talented child who was admitted, what do you think one should do?
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發表於 13-5-30 18:47 |顯示全部帖子
本帖最後由 HKTHK 於 13-5-30 18:52 編輯

回復 囝囝爸 的帖子

"IQ+EQ 入讀這些學校,有必要嗎?"   Necessary?  No, it is never necessary.  Beneficial?  Yes, certainly beneficial.  I think it is a bit naive to believe that the world operates purely on the basis of merit.  I don't know about others, but I look around, is it always the most able people who gets to the top?  Not really.  Hard work and intelligence counts, but personal relationship, network and luck also matters a great deal.
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發表於 13-5-30 18:55 |顯示全部帖子
回復 囝囝爸 的帖子

BTW, can you explain a bit more about "影片中當散工的父親,如何把掌中沙粒,幻覺成金,不覺刺痛,心存感謝,不是一時三刻,是六年光景?"  I am not sure I understand what you mean.  Not trying to argue, but I am just not sure what you are trying to imply.
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發表於 13-5-30 21:32 |顯示全部帖子
回復 囝囝爸 的帖子

我也並不認同直資學校是一個公平的制度。 想指出的只是若然因為放不下自尊心而放棄好學校,實在有點可惜。 更何況這往往是家長片面之想法?
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發表於 13-5-30 23:52 |顯示全部帖子
回復 囝囝爸 的帖子

這些傳統名校雖然有政府的資助,但應為辦學團體或SMC的資產, 而不是公立學校?

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囝囝爸  一百幾十年前其校舍何來,今價值不菲,從來政府投放多少。前爭議下有說放棄辦學權,可留置物業權?  發表於 13-5-31 00:06
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發表於 13-5-31 11:02 |顯示全部帖子
回復 囝囝爸 的帖子

Sorry, it will take me too long to type in Chinese so I will use English instead.  The reason I said these famous LS are properties of the school organizing body is to bring up the concept of properties.  I am not referring to the physical real estate but rather the concept of ownership and the ability of an owner to operate their properties.  And I think we have very different views on that.  For me, these schools are effectively private properties even though they provide public services.  As private properties, they have their own rights to determine what types of schools they should be, what students they admit, what teachers they hire, what curriculum to teach, ....  Even with long standing traditions and even if some of theses schools might not have exercised these rights before, I don't think the government should encroach on these rights.  It is not the job of these schools to provide quality education to everyone!  Rather, that is the job of the government.

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發表於 13-5-31 16:13 |顯示全部帖子
回復 annie40 的帖子

"经过深思熟虑后的全面想法, 最后才作放棄后的" 希望真的如此。  很多時我看到有能力在名校名列前茅的學生, 欠缺的只是自信心和家裡的支持。

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oblivion2077  同意,我的觀察也是如此。  發表於 13-5-31 18:29
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發表於 13-6-3 13:08 |顯示全部帖子
回復 shadeslayer 的帖子

This is the exact reason why I bring up the issue of property rights.  HK is not a 100% public schooling system with all schools operated by the Government.  Many schools are in fact operated by private bodies.  
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發表於 13-6-3 13:56 |顯示全部帖子
本帖最後由 HKTHK 於 13-6-3 15:53 編輯

回復 shadeslayer 的帖子

It is still a fairly complicated issue since there are arguments to be made along the lines of squatter's rights, eminent domain, ... but I do come out on the side of giving the choice to the school organizing bodies.

I also think some of these parents are too focused on a narrow issue and very short-sighted about not respecting the property rights of the school organizing body.  Imagine the topic of 國民教育 coming back and the EDB requires all public/subsidy schools to implement such a curriculum.  If property rights are respected, some school organizing bodies can still go under the DSS scheme so that they can provide subsidized education under their own curriculum without 國民教育.  What would happen if no current schools are allowed to switch to DSS?  Would all these parents still be that happy?

Correction:  DSS receives the 國民教育 subsidy as well and are supposed to include the topic
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發表於 13-6-3 13:57 |顯示全部帖子
回復 囝囝爸 的帖子

Do you think famous LS should be allowed to switch to become private schools?
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發表於 13-6-3 14:50 |顯示全部帖子
回復 囝囝爸 的帖子

HK has public schools but these famous schools organized by religious bodies are not public schools.  As you pointed out, your son's school need the help of the organizing body to pay for the new premises.  Even though they are subsidized by the government, aren't they private bodies/organizations?

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囝囝爸  小兒私立小學,受政府教學指引和課程規管,但不受資助。  發表於 13-6-3 14:55
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發表於 13-6-3 14:59 |顯示全部帖子
回復 囝囝爸 的帖子

I see, bad example then
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發表於 13-6-3 15:56 |顯示全部帖子
回復 lawsonmoon 的帖子

You are correct though such 國民教育 are required but they will be taught under different curriculum.
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發表於 13-6-3 20:34 |顯示全部帖子
回復 lawsonmoon 的帖子

Wow, we finally have someone from the first world here to educate us.  What does 公平,公義 mean to you then?
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發表於 13-6-3 20:48 |顯示全部帖子
回復 lawsonmoon 的帖子

So far, in this thread at least, you have only tried to belittle others.  Do you even have something legitimate to say?
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發表於 13-6-3 20:54 |顯示全部帖子
回復 lawsonmoon 的帖子

Actually watched already, but I still don't see your point about equity and fairness.  How are you defining it?  From whose perspective?  
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發表於 13-6-3 21:11 |顯示全部帖子
回復 lawsonmoon 的帖子

Yes, some people also have meaningful things to say and can make a cogent argument.  But guess too much to ask for from you
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發表於 13-6-3 21:36 |顯示全部帖子
回復 lawsonmoon 的帖子

On a more serious note, I am trying understand your sense of equity and fairness.  I am also not sure your definition of fairness is achieved by schools moving to be private schools either.
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發表於 13-6-4 01:34 |顯示全部帖子
回復 lawsonmoon 的帖子

LOL, so lucky draw is a better system?
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