私立學校和國際學校的分別？

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無際星塵 發表於 16-11-6 09:35
因此，若某學校有權話事及高層管理者若非本身是native English speakers及自幼接受西方現代教育模式長大，他們所辦及管理的學校，無論是採用那個學制，也無法辦出一間真正的國際學校，而那些學生的平均英文水平也無法可跟真正國際學校學生相比。

So, you are saying a student that has a 7 in English A in say ISF or VSA, has poorer English than a student who has a 7 in English A at CDNIS? Well, I respect your views. You have your rights to believe in things you prefer to believe in. But for university application purposes, top universities do not see things the way you prefer.

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Kittybama 發表於 16-11-6 13:48
其實大家用英文學習的時間差不多，為何有些學校可以教到學生英文達1st Lang 程度，而非國際學校只能達2nd L ...

If you are talking about IS vs LS, then it has nothing to do with the the spent on learning English. Rather, the main difference is with design of the curriculum.
Local school is using the local English curriculum which was designed to be at second language level.
So even if you have learnt English from P1 to F6, you have always been learning English as a second language.
Even at local elite schools, they are also following the local curriculum and thus their top students who get 5** in DSE English are only considered to have English at second language level.
On the other hand, students in international schools (most if not all), students will be learning English as a first language. Students that eventually sit for IB English A exams are all considered to have English as first language.
Universities do not judge you with your ethnicity. They look at what exam you write.

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Kittybama 發表於 16-11-6 14:07
若重點不是時間，為何不教1st Lang程度的英文？而且那些學生將來升學或工作也大多是以英文為主。

大家都是 ...

It is because the curriculum is different.
IB, GCE, AP, have English as first language curriculum.
DSE has English as second language curriculum.
So even if you spend the same number of years learning English, you will not achieve first language English in a local school.

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Kittybama 發表於 16-11-6 14:18
既然LS及IS花在學習英文的時間差不多，為何LS要設計一個淺啲的curriculum?而事實上，絕大部分LS學生將來升 ...

Ask the HK government.
And by the way, you know what, local students are complaining that the Chinese curriculum (which is at first language level) is too hard. Oh well.

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heebo 發表於 16-11-6 21:46
I believe she refers to Private Independent Schools (PIS) vs International Schools.  I never knew th ...

Do you have the link to the PIS list? I did not know ICS is a PIS.

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Cara2006 發表於 16-11-6 14:31
DSE English = second language 唔係好多 LS 學生知。
我親戚個女 DSE English 5* ，DSE 中文 5，佢話自 ...

Apparently, most students in Hong Kong believe they have better English than Chinese, by merely looking at the DSE grades. Seems like no one has told them that their English curriculum is second language only.

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heebo 發表於 16-11-7 00:43
http://edb.hkedcity.net/internationalschools/private_independent_schools.php?lang=en

"PISs are required to ensure that at least 70% of the student population are Hong Kong Permanent Residents."


So under this definition, people that have obtained a permanent resident id card do qualify? Then this is easy. I know a lot of gweilo have lived here long enough and have got permanent resident id card.

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shadeslayer 發表於 16-11-7 08:25
In a proper IS, no students are taking English B bar I guess a few exceptional cases.

Just want to share. I happened to know someone that took English B as he took Japanese A as self study class at an international school (not Japanese international school tho). Heard from other parents it is quite common for students from other countries to take English B and then self study their own language.

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hkparent 發表於 16-11-7 10:57
Therefore, in general:
IS (Eng A, Chi B),

A lot of students are able to handle Eng A + Chi A at ESF.May be not as many as in schools like DSE or SPCC, but not as uncommon as many people want to believe.

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hkparent 發表於 16-11-7 11:00
PIS (Eng A/B and/or Chi A/B), which is in between IS and local school, hoping to get the best of the ...

Not appropriate to draw that line.
I think DBS, SPCC and RC do not provide English B.

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shadeslayer 發表於 16-11-7 11:59
IS students in an International Stream taking English B is definitely a very rare case Because both ...

Not really that rare if certain international school had enough students to start an English B class.

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shadeslayer 發表於 16-11-7 13:35
then the IS in question is not what I called "Proper" IS.  I would be very skeptical.

Which IS is your child in? How much you know about IS? You sure you know all of them that well?
You can have your own definition of "proper IS".
But the school I mentioned is definitely an IS, not PIS, not local IB (like DBS or SPCC), which you always seem to not like anyway..
Not sure what the problem you have as you always seem to like to argue with people about things you definitely do not really know well.
My involvement ends here.

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siuwing6 發表於 16-11-9 11:35
回覆 skmibb 的帖子

請問可PM邊間學校嗎? thx

http://www.edu-kingdom.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=3296123&extra=page%3D3


35 分，是 CKY or DC.

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Kittybama 發表於 16-11-12 22:16
報名及評核費的確比其他國際學校貴，但這只是一次過費用，但debenture不是最貴，每年學費也並非最貴，而且 ...

Why bother with whether there were that many people?
If you like the school then go and file application.
If you do not like the school then do not apply.
The fact that there were not many people did not mean it is not popular.
On the other hand, if another lousy schools attracted a lot more parents to go, would it change the fact that it is lousy?

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Kittybama 發表於 16-11-12 23:13
並不同意。

選擇一間學校是有許多因素需要參考的。一間學校是否受歡迎一定有原因的，我不相信一間Lousy sc ...

I was not talking about people actually attending the school.
I was talking about the fact that there were not many people attending the open day (as you mentioned).
And yes, a lot of lousy schools have lots of people attending the open day.
The reason is simple, different schools have different target customer.
Lousy schools probably has a lot more potential customers than GSIS.