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標題: 有冇家長后侮選了國際學校，而非傳統小學？ [打印本頁]
作者: vio922 時間: 12-11-18 01:20 標題: 有冇家長后侮選了國際學校，而非傳統小學？
如題
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 12-11-18 13:04
I guess some might feel 後悔 but no one will feel 后侮, because no one dared to insult the queen 
作者: Brenday 時間: 12-11-18 13:55
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作者: pollybell 時間: 12-11-18 15:21
有既.........轉回LOCAL......但後悔咁嚴重就見人見智.
作者: Radiomama 時間: 12-11-18 16:07 標題: 回覆：vio922 的帖子
我認識更多是後悔把孩子送到傳統名校，最後徬徨找國際學校。
作者: do123alex 時間: 12-11-18 16:17 標題: 回覆：有冇家長后侮選了國際學校，而非傳統小學？
Lots of parents send the younger child(ren ）to IS if the first one is already at IS. So it tells .
作者: ssant 時間: 12-11-18 17:14
我身邊有些讀local school媽咪不時問我有關IS的資料，他們都想在明年小三轉IS,我相信好少會後悔
作者: vio922 時間: 12-11-18 19:11 標題: 回覆：有冇家長后侮選了國際學校，而非傳統小學？
So most of the parents who sent their kids to international school are happy with the decision they made.
作者: vio922 時間: 12-11-18 19:13 標題: 引用：有既.........轉回LOCAL......但後悔咁嚴重
原帖由 pollybell 於 12-11-18 發表
有既.........轉回LOCAL......但後悔咁嚴重就見人見智.
作者: Jane1983 時間: 12-11-18 19:25
讀傳統小學，work load可以好沈重，看其他EK家長post出來，初小一個月可以有11個默書/測驗。
真係吾係個個大人、細路可以長期抗戰。
認識幾個仔女讀名小的媽媽，全職伴讀、做功課和溫書，車出車入補習、學樂器，日日如是，真係吾係講笑。
作者: ssant 時間: 12-11-18 20:34 標題: 回覆：有冇家長后侮選了國際學校，而非傳統小學？
我相信以香港教育質素，選擇了讀LS的後悔會較多。
作者: pollybell 時間: 12-11-18 22:25
本帖最後由 pollybell 於 12-11-18 22:48 編輯
vio922 發表於 12-11-18 19:13 
点解轉回local?
係我對面屋既小兄弟.....佢地由KG已經讀IS....到大仔P3時同細佬一齊轉返LOCAL....同佢爸媽傾開....原因係IS唔係人讀,(我諗佢意思係...唔係俾CHINESE讀)中文既LEVEL真係太低....我都有問佢真係可以返轉頭????中文點追????佢話無問題.....點解唔可以呀???完全追得返晒....
還有一個例子...係香港已IS畢業,做左媽咪....佢小朋友考小學時佢絕對話唔會考慮讀IS...都係果個原因....佢話自己中文都唔識太多,在香港生活遇到好多問題...事關中文已差加上學簡體....出街連路牌都睇唔掂....所以佢話一定唔會俾自己小朋友讀IS.
作者: lui 時間: 12-11-18 23:34 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+pollybell+於+12-11-18+22:48+
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作者: lui 時間: 12-11-18 23:38 標題: 引用：讀傳統小學，work+load可以好沈重，看其他E
原帖由 Jane1983 於 12-11-18 發表
讀傳統小學，work load可以好沈重，看其他EK家長post出來，初小一個月可以有11個默書/測驗。
真係吾係個個 ...
作者: Brenday 時間: 12-11-19 00:40
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作者: iseult 時間: 12-11-19 00:43
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作者: martialartsmum 時間: 12-11-19 01:57
本帖最後由 martialartsmum 於 12-11-19 02:01 編輯
FattyDaddy 發表於 12-11-18 13:04
I guess some might feel 後悔 but no one will feel 后侮, because no one dared to insult the queen :lo ...
I enrolled mine for nursery school in the International kindergarten within walking distance to our home. My husband is quite happy for that. I will switch my child to the local stream in K1.
起初我老公想我女讀ESF but later, a few 外籍 teacher friends of ours said it is better to send her to local stream for kindergarten and primary to build up her 底子。
As for insulting the queen...hmmm that is another story altogether.
作者: Kareese 時間: 12-11-19 02:21
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作者: martialartsmum 時間: 12-11-19 02:28
Kareese 發表於 12-11-19 02:21
想中文好就唔可以全依賴學校教，點都要出去補和自己再跟，我兩個小朋友Y1已開始補中文（繁體）補到Y6，學校 ...
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 12-11-19 02:49
martialartsmum 發表於 12-11-19 01:57
better to send her to local stream for kindergarten and primary to build up her 底子。
As for insulting the queen...hmmm that is another story altogether. ...
Yes, local stream should help, especially with Chinese, and I'm sure your child won't write 后侮 instead of 後悔 {:1_1:}
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-11-19 09:25
如果因為中文呢科後悔, 我覺得那位家長之前根本就冇諗清楚或理解清楚自己決定. 我都一早plan左比兩個小朋友入 is, 三四歲開始自己教中文, 亦有請老師, 佢地兩個仲細, 最後中文學到物程度我唔知, 有d都要睇人. 我大個個唔係太接受, 教左兩年幾, 佢程度比本地小朋友慢一年. 細個比本地小朋友 (唔計寫字, 因為佢真係細d) 快一年至年半. 另外, 我兩個小朋友都能用頗流利普通話傾計.
至於你所講另外個位自己讀is, 中文唔好, 所以打算送小朋友入 ls 嘅家長, 咁講唔上係後悔, 佢一早都唔打算比小朋友入 IS架啦.
入得is, 中文自己係屋企要加把勁預左. 每個小朋友都唔同, 有d你請個老師又或比佢去出面學已ok，有d就要父母自己都加多幾錢肉緊. 我覺得只要父母因應子女性格, 去安排相關教學, 小朋友都會學得ok, 係冇 ls 中文咁好, 但日常生活, 寫普通文章都唔會有問題. 如果要求要match 住 ls程度, 咁就係不設實際. 等於你唔會 expect 大部入 ls d 英文好掛? 佢地大部老師自己都講唔掂! 睇下英文老師基準試合格率簡直心寒. 起碼大部份 is 都講普通話native speaker教中文吖!
i am just so thankful having my kids in IS. My kids and our family have a life! Everyday they can go out to play for at least an hour after school. My daughter likes baking and she even has time to do it on weekdays! I never have to worry about tests and exams and their scores not up to standard. I never have to 閉關 during weekend to prepare for projects, dictation and tests!
作者: terryhau 時間: 12-11-19 09:56
回復 iseult 的帖子
作者: minirat 時間: 12-11-19 10:16 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+pollybell+於+12-11-18+22:48+
原帖由 pollybell 於 12-11-18 發表
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作者: minirat 時間: 12-11-19 10:21 標題: 回覆：有冇家長后侮選了國際學校，而非傳統小學？
Quite happy to learn that most people are happy with their IS choice. Its certainly not an easy decision to make.
作者: scl227 時間: 12-11-19 10:29
傳統和is 有不同的學習理念
我是學習理念, 而不是語文.
我兩個小孩均唸is, 十分喜歡.
是創意學習﹑是愉快學習...
is 也有它的不足, 例如基礎會較弱, 包括: 中和英(文法),
但 做父母的要為他們補足呢!!!
傳統的也有它的困難, 死板, 書包十分重,
要將學習的興趣和能力磨滅才罷休!!!
不過, 大家均有十分成功和十分失敗的例子,
我之見要看父母如何配合孩子成長和補其缺助其強.
作者: torunpoland 時間: 12-11-19 11:02
觀乎各位留言的家長, 似乎沒有人後悔選了國際學校喎! 而暫時, 唯一的擔心就是中文水平比較大幅度"落後", 可是這個所謂缺失, 亦可以透過家長的介入而得到改善.
作者: manfatcentre 時間: 12-11-19 11:42 標題: 引用：想中文好就唔可以全依賴學校教，點都要出去
原帖由 Kareese 於 12-11-19 發表
想中文好就唔可以全依賴學校教，點都要出去補和自己再跟，我兩個小朋友Y1已開始補中文（繁體）補到Y6，學校 ...
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 12-11-19 13:19 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+pollybell+於+12-11-18+22:48+
原帖由 pollybell 於 12-11-18 發表
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-11-19 13:28
Although my kids studied in IS, both of them got a pass in the HKCEE Chinese language examination.
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 12-11-19 13:28 標題: 引用：傳統和is+有不同的學習理念我是學習理念,+
原帖由 scl227 於 12-11-19 發表
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is 也有它的不足, 例如基礎會較弱, 包括: 中和英(文法),
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唔係掛，IS英文文法弱過LS? 你用邊間IS 同邊間 LS 比較呢?
作者: Annie123 時間: 12-11-19 14:49
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作者: poonseelai 時間: 12-11-19 15:20
elmostoney 發表於 12-11-19 09:25
如果因為中文呢科後悔, 我覺得那位家長之前根本就冇諗清楚或理解清楚自己決定. 我都一早plan左比兩個小朋 ...
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-11-19 17:37
本帖最後由 elmostoney 於 12-11-19 18:02 編輯
year 1 and 2. very happy now. seems an overwhelming number of parents are aiming for ivy league and oxbridge. Honestly, I am not. I just don't think it's realistic for most children. That doesn't mean I just let them do whatever they want, but I do want them to have a balanced life.
總之, 我覺得因材施教. 我以前都唔接受, 覺得教大女, 點解教極中文都學得咁慢, 後來有所頓悟, 唔係人人都可以去到某一個AGE就谷到, 有D人遲D, 有D人可能永遠都唔會太鍾意個樣野又或冇天份. 教我個仔, 佢好受. 咁咪學快D. 佢重來冇正式返幼稚園, 佢學認所有字, 不論中英, 直到四歲八個月入YEAR 1, 全部都係我係屋企教. 我家中文補習老師有補本地學校學生, 佢話細仔認字能力有本地谷嘅小一下學期 (佢仲有個半月先5歲). 以前我會比較兩個, 而家都放鬆左. 好似我個女, 做數理解都麻麻, 我覺得要教到佢明, 但係唔係要操到佢勁. 每人talent都唔同, 希望佢係IS可以提供環境比佢發掘自己所長.
我有次睇一本書, 係一個台灣家庭去不同地方住, 女兒因而入讀國際學校. 到中學, 功課 project 考試都唔少, 但佢仍要求女兒幫手做家務, 因為呢D係佢對家庭參與, 讀書非人生全部. 我希望我將來都能做到咁.
有次我請女兒老師來食飯, 我阿女負責煮一味主菜, 係*真正*自己睇食譜, 買材料, 90%佢自己整. (佢鍾意食同煮野食). 事後, 我兩個細路洗返自己用套碗筷. 老師(西人), 好impressed, 我唔係係到話自己教得好, 因為我有好多勁朋友, 特登唔請工人, 唔返工, 自己湊, 家事都要求子女參與. 老師話, 而家不論洋人中國人, 屋企都有工人, 好多小朋友即使去到year 5 year 6 都唔識照顧自己, 佢見過好多好多.
作者: md23 時間: 12-11-19 19:48
本帖最後由 md23 於 12-11-19 19:48 編輯
You do realize that you are asking this question on IS board, right? Not exactly the best place to get unbiased opinion.
作者: saikungmom 時間: 12-11-19 20:37 標題: 回覆：pollybell 的帖子
I think Chinese was less emphasized in IS 20 yrs ago.
作者: vio922 時間: 12-11-19 23:40 標題: 引用：Quote:martialartsmum+發表於+12-11-19+01:
原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 12-11-19 發表
Haha, the queen has very little to do with it
Yes, local stream should help, especially with C ...
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 12-11-19 23:53
vio922 發表於 12-11-19 23:40
中文程度有能力知道后侮和後侮都是正確寫法 ...
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 12-11-20 00:04
> Jane1983 真係吾知話你有幽默感好，定係無聊好！
色笑眯優墨, 吳適少眯毛撩囉。
離題, 我封咀
作者: scl227 時間: 12-11-20 10:20
國際學校崇尚自由, 愉快, 這是十分良好的, 造就自信, 開心的學生.
可是如果家長不配合的話, 也容易讓學生所學的東西不穩固.基礎不穩
這就是西方教育的問題: 不會串字, 文法差,
可以很散慢地學習!!!
我兩個孩子讀is, 我深明其利也明其弊.
讀ls的也有其害:
死板, 由小一開始就預備考tsa, 問你死味!!!
何來有發揮, 創意???
其好處是, 安安定定的人仔, 可以有個基礎, 你可以看到的.
但越高班, 你越會失望, 因為己見不到什麼了......
作者: Mighty 時間: 12-11-20 10:35
scl227 發表於 12-11-20 05:20
國際學校崇尚自由, 愉快, 這是十分良好的, 造就自信, 開心的學生.
可是如果家長不配合的話, 也容易讓學生 ...
意見中肯、但LS方面、我相信看是讀MAAK野学校、BAND ONE OR名校的総有它的可貴之処。
作者: annie40 時間: 12-11-20 12:06
回復 martialartsmum 的帖子
常见金头发的男孩穿着St. Paul Boys校服, 金头发的女孩穿长杉校服上St. Stephen Girls. 约十五六岁, 看似很有家教的, 真的十分佩服其父母的苦心经营. 不易办的, 做到了是东西文化兼备, 十分难得!
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 12-11-20 12:20 標題: 引用：國際學校崇尚自由,+愉快,+這是十分良好的,+
原帖由 scl227 於 12-11-20 發表
國際學校崇尚自由, 愉快, 這是十分良好的, 造就自信, 開心的學生.
可是如果家長不配合的話, 也容易讓學生 ...
這就是西方教育的問題: 不會串字, 文法差,
可以很散慢地學習!!!
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如果你認為 IS 學生一般來說英文串字及文法不及 LS 學生，請說明有甚麼理據有如此結論？
至於基礎，要看大家心裡面何謂基礎。如果說數學，科學的硬知識，考試成績，LS 一般到中學仍較好。如果基礎是指全人教育，如何學習，自發學習，創意，組織能力，自理能力，答案可能不一樣。
作者: 猪猪侠 時間: 12-11-20 12:58
太看重起點 必將失去終點
張堅庭
作者為著名導演，愛家爸爸，育有3名兒女
文章日期：2012年11月14日
【明報專訊】在網上看到網民對教育的一些看法，在此分享《中國歐美教育對比》﹕「中國﹕小學累、中學苦、高中拼、大學混。玩耍的年齡被迫學習，學習的年齡只想玩耍。歐美﹕小學玩、中學混、高中學、大學拼。玩耍的年齡就玩耍，學習的年齡才學習。小、中、高階段中國學生一般佔優，進入大學階段，歐美學生迅速超越。太看重起點，必將失去終點！」
「太看重起點，必將失去終點」這句實在可圈可點。我教會的一對夫婦，有一子一女，都在九龍某名校就讀。聽說女兒想轉校了，落筆前特意求證——他們生活豐裕，上下課有司機接送，已經省了很多交通時間，但媽媽一聽我問到功課考試，語調即變得急促焦慮。她說女兒回家洗澡吃飯後，功課要做到晚上10:30甚至11時才完成，翌晨6:45起，天天如是；沒有時間讀課外書，不能參與課外活動，星期天帶樂器通街走，打工仔父母舟車勞頓，筋疲力盡。她問老師點算呀？老師無奈說「我知呀，無辦法」；去問校長，校長回答說「這裏每個人都如是」。我問她女兒所學的用來做什麼？媽媽直言只用來考試，有些內容她當年中二才讀。
讀傳統校 母女齊喊苦
這位姊妹，在女兒升小時已努力適應，但四年過後終要撤退，轉到國際學校。我問小兒子一起轉嗎？她說不需要，因那老牌男校有IB課程，而且校長開明，功課不多。她嘆道公開評核試每三年一次，一年多前便準備，考完透過氣後又要開始操練。每一評核程序都是權力的表現，局方如是，校方如是，受害人是小朋友。
另一好友的女兒在另一名牌女校就讀，去年小學畢業後轉校。我問小妮子，她說開心開心開心多了。那麼開心上課，會否應付不了將來需要，考不上好大學？
上星期我收到小兒學校的周年籌款冊，詳細列明今年畢業生考進哪間大學，我仔細看過也嚇一跳，難怪說今年成績是歷年最好。
我不是得戚、示威國際學校有多好，只想說在大仔踏進漢基國際學校、老師申明功課不應多於半小時開始，便一直衝擊我，令我重新審視教育制度。這十多年我幾乎沒有因功課和他有矛盾衝突，只有一次因為老師說他上課雲遊而拍，後來我也自責，因為雲遊正是他的思考方法。
誰說少功課便考不入好大學？
我估計他的同學們也是在這種功課少、活動多、不斷互動下學習；到學校提供IB課程，我又開始了解那是什麼一回事，跟進到今年，大仔入大學，我相信自己有條件在這方面發言吧！漢基今年的IB畢業生約150人（據校方數字），到英國念書有24人，包括牛津2人、劍橋2人、華威1人、倫敦政治經濟學院1人、Durham 2人、倫敦皇家學院2人、UCL 6人。其實牛津應有3人入讀，其中一人是我兒子好友，但他最後卻到另一間在美國沙漠、聽也未聽過的Deep Spring去。
以上所舉大學都排英國十名內，還未計算到美國的學生。至於香港，有7人進了港大，1人在中大，科大則有兩名同學。我只希望校長、家長和老師知道，學習方法不一定只有操練、考試、死記，現在有通識了，但也有人開始以考通識、鋤通識作招徠。有如換了坐廁，仍要蹲在上面。
下星期我再整理漢基畢業生赴美的情，分析一下，讓父母知道少功課測驗考試，孩子們也能考進精英名校。
作者: C_D_E 時間: 12-11-20 14:37
I came from a 老牌男校 and my boy is now at ESF kindy. There're always lots for me to treasure from my alma mater.
If my son finally pursues the IS route all the way, I wonder if he'll have his buddies growing with him like my best buddies are all from my 男校 secondary school days. My hypothesis is mobility of students seem to be higher in IS, and his days might be spent on dating . . . . Compared to my old days, the boys could build very good fraternity and retain the innocence till late. We played football, wargames, different sorts of silly things you name it . . . . .
Maybe I'm thinking too much . . . .
作者: Mighty 時間: 12-11-20 20:23
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猪猪侠 發表於 12-11-20 07:58
太看重起點 必將失去終點
張堅庭
作者為著名導演，愛家爸爸，育有3名兒女
Hmmmm,”太看重起点、必将失 在 終点”好似ARM D ＆通順 D BOR
作者: 21Ckid 時間: 12-11-20 21:02
講真句，我很討厭別人說漢基點好，鬼唔知坐頭等好過經濟！如果沒有這外父，能進去嗎？用一般IS等同漢基IS是沒意義的，CIS的家長背景太強，加上中學吸收一大批LS尖子，我少數孩子能進CIS的朋友都說大部分最好的大學placement都是這些人（成績好（LS根基），alumni, sponsor (據說ivy league 是5球美金 – worth the price for many billionaire families)）,真正普通家庭子女不多，當然，相對其他IS，他們的placement仍很ok. 據他們說，CIS校風非常自由，玩得勁，所以，應該會讀的開心（只要hang out with the right group）,沒有壓力，但要非常自律（或家長督促），否則，玩完十幾年後唔知點算，當然，CIS的大學placement team很強，但如果沒家底，念書根基不好，還是沒用。
作者: HKTHK 時間: 12-11-20 22:07
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I have heard the same comments on CIS but that still doesn't detract from the fact that it is a good school. And there are people flying 1st class or their own jet everyday! Why be so bothered by it?
作者: 21Ckid 時間: 12-11-20 23:11
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Why so bothered? you do need to. While many schools have spoiled kids, CIS is flooded with them. Of course, there are still a lot of kids from middle class like my friends, you do need to make sure the kid hang out with the right group. And both parents and kids need to have proper attitude. A business friend of mine lives in a house worth HK$150 million at the peak and his daughter was teased by classmates as to why she traveled to school in school bus. Of course, he has a driver but believes the daughter should like everyone else (guess he means all schools) go by school bus. He later transferred his daughter to an ESF school, which in comparison is much more down to earth. He is certainly above average even by the standard of CIS, but still end up this way, because his daughter hangs out with the wrong group and did not have the proper attitude.
Sure, CIS is a good school and I will also try my luck for my kid, but there are lots of mental adjustments both parents and kid need to make.
作者: HKTHK 時間: 12-11-20 23:20
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I was referring to your previous comment. Now that you bring up spoiled kids, that is a concern. When I thought about applying to CIS, I chatted with some CIS parents about it though they don't seem overly concerned. I am not sure if it is because they are in lower grades though. It is tough not to be influenced when you see body guards on campus or visit Li Ka Shing's house.
作者: Brenday 時間: 12-11-20 23:55
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作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-11-21 09:26
本帖最後由 elmostoney 於 12-11-21 09:35 編輯
我有朋友的子女唸漢基, 以下幾個個案都是這些家長告訴我的(都是他們自己的小朋友):
1. 小朋友有司機接送, 開的是benz 600, 同學問: 為什麼你家的車款是舊款?
2. 小朋友回來告訴媽媽, 有同學送聖誕禮物給老師 (這個故事比較舊一點, 有十年了), 老師在班上傳給整班同學看. 小朋友 (小學) 回來告訴媽媽, 那是一個有5支火柴的手錶 (rolex)
3. 小朋友的班上來了一位插班生, 應是付了不少錢的某大家族後人. 該位小朋友不做功課, 老師上課時追問, 該小朋友答: 我洗物讀書架? (我的朋友是專業人士, 他說很後悔送孩子進漢基, 但現在剛開始唸中學, 轉校又不是, 只好每天提醒孩子, 他們家沒有錢的)
4. 友人的孩子, 中三左右相繼送了出國. 她慨嘆, 在漢基, 認識的朋友, 很難避免有群富家子弟, 你沒有的東西, 這些有錢同學會給你, 帶你出入會所等. 久而久之, 孩子以為這才是生活. 自從孩子出國後, 她說他們變得踏實了.
5. 友人有兩個孩子, 一個唸中學, 一個剛唸小學. 之前他猶豫了很久, 要不要讓老二進漢基, 因為他發現, 大部份從小學開始唸漢基的學生, 學術程度不濟, 好的那批都是中學考進來的. 只是他暫時想不到更好又是一條龍, 又有中文的國際學校, 最後選了漢基, 但孩子就要不停補習. 友人是ivy league畢業生, 他對香港國際學校入大學的結果很在意. 他的意見是, 你會看見, 近年漢基進英國好大學的比例遠超美國, 因為美國入大學要求中學四年成績, 而英國只要求看兩年; 另外UCLA為什麼今年收那麼多漢基學生 (ucla 在美國是是名校, 但不是頂級)? 因為美國無錢, 特別是加洲, 已接近破產邊緣, 再加上很多美國本土學生因沒錢, 即使考上了, 最後都要選學費較平宜又或有獎學金的學校. 再者,以前美國大學都有種族quota, 他們要做到所謂equal opportunity, 現在就只能向錢看, 所以今年UCLA收那麼多漢基學生是有原因的. 不過我不明白, 為什麼UCLA收港生張先生那麼surprised, 又唔係havard, stanford.
因為身邊有不少朋友的孩子唸漢基, 由大學畢業正在工作到仍在唸小學的也有. 我只能說, 每間學校都在變, 再加上學校風氣, 而我亦不認為我家孩兒有漢基要求的特質, 所以我從來沒有報名, 亦無悔.
作者: melonfans 時間: 12-11-21 09:55
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FattyDaddy 發表於 12-11-19 02:49
Haha, the queen has very little to do with it
Yes, local stream should help, especially with C ...
好多國內文書寫后悔 instead of 後悔!
你係標準香港人! 
你個女讀IS, 好快你個寶貝都會寫后悔, 吾係後悔! 
作者: bbdmami 時間: 12-11-21 10:34
有個uncle 個孫, 由另一IB學校轉到CIS讀DP. 佢成積應該好好, 因為佢係舊學校有獎學金, 吾使交學費. Uncle話CIS 很多活動, 例如去邊個國家做義工. (uncle 話吾明佢個女要洗呢d 錢)
我在美國讀大學, 名牌大學包括ivy league or UCLA 都吾係剩係睇分, 4.0係基本要求, 嗰D去第三世界國家做義工肯定有用.
作者: jolalee 時間: 12-11-21 10:53
bbdmami 發表於 12-11-21 10:34
有個uncle 個孫, 由另一IB學校轉到CIS讀DP. 佢成積應該好好, 因為佢係舊學校有獎學金, 吾使交學費. Uncle ...
作者: aidan08 時間: 12-11-21 10:57
哈哈.....呢個話題都有幾多角度思考！
先講有人回應樓主寫咗白字'后侮'。如果樓主係寫緊簡體，用'后'字係無錯，不過都錯咗個'侮'字，呢個係侮辱個'侮'，唔係後悔個'悔'。一個係'人'字旁，一個係'心'字旁。不過，大家係呢度傾計，明就得啦，都唔洗太執著。
講返正題，我識的人當中，都只見到有千辛萬苦送仔女入傳統名校，但讀咗幾年要轉去國際學校的人，而相反的則沒有見到。
我諗，可能係一開始揀得國際學校的人，都知呢條係不歸路，一定諗過晒利弊先'去馬'，亦大抵清楚中文方面係無ls咁好，要自己訓練，一早諗清楚利弊，後悔的機會都細D。另一方面，有好多人其實深知傳統學校的缺點，只不過想比仔女試吓得唔得先，因為如果仔女無問題，就唔洗洗咁多錢，到唔得先再諗轉，我係好唔認同D家長咁做，但奈何我身邊有唔少人係咁諗。
仲有一個有趣的情況。我身邊都有唔少類似的情況，就係父母本身細個讀傳統名校的，會將仔女送去讀國際學校，佢哋都唔鍾意傳統名校嗰套，我同我老公係例子。但亦有父或母本身細個出身自國際學校，但將仔女送去讀傳統學校，佢哋就focus咗喺國際學校唔好的地方，主要都係中文能力方面，有一個細個時讀is的朋友同我講，話佢細個時小學到中學真係只有玩玩玩，到讀大學就真係要狂追惡補，好辛苦咁話，又話自己中文唔好，喺香港生活唔方便。不過，我呢個朋友其實講方面中英文都好流利，佢唔講我根本唔知佢中文唔好，仲有，雖然佢話自己細個點hea，不過佢最終都係一個'大律師'嚟，所以，我咁睇，細個有玩樂時間，大個咗都不見得無出識。我想我個仔過開開心心的童年，講真，我同我老公都仲好記得細個讀傳統名校的辛酸，我老公幸運地十幾歲去咗外國，佢話係逃出生天，我就一直都留喺個地獄......
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-11-21 11:00
我都係美國讀大學同中學, but it never strikes me that UCLA is that HIGH up there. Sure, 所有美國好d大學都唔係淨係睇分數, 分數只係其中一部份 - community service, 面試, 入學essay, 介紹信, SAT, 全部都要睇.
我所以咁講係因為我有個世姪女, 佢係漢基畢業已幾年, 本身係美國做野, 部份資訊都係佢提供. 佢話而家好多本土學生就算名牌大學收左, 都因為水緊, 要另選其他平大學又或入有獎學金嘅學校. 所以近年好多有名美國大學大舉收有錢亞洲生. 以前係冇可能架, 因為幾有名嘅學校, 都會set個quota, 如單睇成績, 好多asians都跑嬴哂, 咁白人, 特別係黑人同latin americans咪冇機? 咁多年來, 一直都有新聞有美國亞洲人出來話唔公平, 明明自己夠哂班入某大學, 但就因為呢個quota入唔到, 其中表表者就係berkeley (berkeley 應rank 係ucla之上).
我最近同d有將介入大學年齡子女朋友傾開, 先驚覺, 原來而家入好多美國大學, 學費+食宿, 一年要US$50,000! 四年就係二十萬美金, 我真係嚇左一跳. 仲要未計每年起碼兩張來回美國機票. 就算本地學生, 如果係out of state, 都唔會平幾多. 你話, 一般美國人, 係咁嘅經濟環境, 有幾多人負擔得起? 就算係讀返自己個state, 係state resident, 都唔係間間平. 好似 U of Michigan, out of state 同 state resident就所差無幾. 所以變相有能力但冇錢嘅本土美國人少左選擇, 好學校嘅位對有錢嘅人自然多d.
作者: C_D_E 時間: 12-11-21 11:06
elmostoney 發表於 12-11-21 11:00
我都係美國讀大學同中學, but it never strikes me that UCLA is that HIGH up there. Sure, 所有美國好d ...
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-11-21 11:07
本帖最後由 elmostoney 於 12-11-21 11:18 編輯
I also want to point out that UCLA is a state university. Although they do admit out-of-state and international students, the requirement for in-state residents are usually slightly lower as a state school is to serve its residents. However, it's an expensive state school, even for state residents. So admitting more foreign students only means1. the school lacks funds and wants more money (as California is on the verge of bankruptcy. Out-of-state fees are 3 times of in-state's) and 2. that state residents just can't afford the fees.
If it's a private school, it has no obligation to serve its residents first. So you can argue that all is performance driven.
Last, but not least, I don't think you need a 4.0 GPA to get into UCLA. If you look at their admission rate, it's 25% vs. Stanford's 7% - an overwhelming difference.
作者: C_D_E 時間: 12-11-21 11:10
C_D_E 發表於 12-11-20 14:37
I came from a 老牌男校 and my boy is now at ESF kindy. There're always lots for me to treasure from ...
作者: HKTHK 時間: 12-11-21 11:13
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Interesting that IS students would like to send their children to LS. All of my friends who went to IS didn't consider it and even for those who did, they don't think they can help with homework so gave up the idea in the end.
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-11-21 11:22
I sent my 2 kids to LS to receive primary school education. The local primary schools are good but not the top ones. After they completed theri primary schools, they wished to study IS so I arranged them to try one. Fortunately enough, my son was admitted to an IS (not ESF). My second one was also transferred to that IS several years later when she completed her P.6. It was easier for her to be admitted because of her sibling in the same school.
Because of the strong foundation in Chinese and Maths, both of them excelled in the IS. My kids had offers from top US colleges (ranking top 20). But none of them chose to attend the US colleges. My son chose to study law in a top school in U.K. while my daughter chose to study in HKU.
So it is not a bad idea that the kid receives primary education in a local school. If he can cope with the learning environment in local secondary school, there is no need to make a switch. If he wants to explore other options, then make a try in an IS.
As to ISs, I think their standards are more or less the same. Although you may find that a particular IS has many students admitted to Ivies or equivalents, most of them are American citizens or hold green cards. If you aim to be admitted to an Ivies through an IS without the US citizenship, the chance is not very high. So it is easy to make a beautiful mistake that IS can send more kids to Ivies than local schools.
作者: aidan08 時間: 12-11-21 11:27
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無錯，你都講得啱，因為我嗰個朋友本來係好想送個女入LS，但最終佢都頂唔順日日只有做功課及溫書的生活，加上怕咗LS的入學試，所以而家正搵返IS。不過，而家入IS都係談何容易？
仲有，我以前有個同事係土生土長香港人，屋企人都係正宗香港人，講廣東話，但佢細個讀ESF直到大學入咗港大，但佢唔識講廣東話，只係識聽，更加唔識寫同睇中文。所以，比得仔女讀IS，又唔想佢哋唔識中文，家長真係要下苦功！
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-11-21 11:27
sorry, but I am not aware that Ivy leagues give preference to US citizens.
作者: HKTHK 時間: 12-11-21 11:31
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How is he going to find a job? Are there many companies in HK that would hire a HKU graduate who doesn't know Chinese?
作者: HKTHK 時間: 12-11-21 11:33
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I think it is more because of parents being alumni or donations?
作者: 21Ckid 時間: 12-11-21 11:36
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I think your info is pretty much outdated. The all in cost for top tier u in US is about US$80k+.
作者: aidan08 時間: 12-11-21 11:40
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我以前在一間出版英文雜誌的出版社做，嗰位同事係寫稿的，無需要用中文。佢寫嘢好好，好多客睇佢寫D嘢以為佢係好有經驗，實情佢只係個初出茅廬的廿二歲小妹妹。我以前做嗰間出版社好多人唔識中文，好多新加坡人，佢哋都唔識寫同睇中文.....even係華人！
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-11-21 11:43
唔講中文, 我覺得係屋企問題多過學校! 我都識唔少人讀is (esf, cis, etc.) , 唔鍾意睇同寫中文就係, 但係就絕對會講同識講.
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-11-21 12:10
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If you check the admission statistics from the Ivies, you will find that on average, the foreign students admitted in a typical year is about 8% or less.
For example, Harvard and Yale admitted 1,600 a year. The number of foreign students admitted is around 140 for each one. If you divide 140 by about 200 countries or territories in the world, no 1 place is alloted to a particular place, say Hong Kong. If you are an American or holding a green card, you compete with other Americans for the rest of 1,460 places. Although it is still difficult to get a place, (out of 20,000 to 30,000 application) the chance is still much better.
If you want to be admitted to Harvard, Stanford, Yale, Princeton, MIT etc, you need 4.0 GPA plus IB (44 or more) plus SAT (2,250+) plus SAT II (790+ for 3 subjects) plus very strong leadership and service experience (even if you are an American).
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-11-21 12:20
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If you are an alumni, the odds are better so long as you make consistent donations each year and the accumulated donations are impressive. I would have thought that if you are an alumni, your spouse or you should been an American, so your kid should be an American as well.
You can read from newspaper that Mr. Chow failed to secure a place in Harvard for his kids even he made an US$2.0 million donation.
If everything is equal, I bet the college would admit an American citizen than a Hong Kong student. So if a Hong Kong (not holding an American passport or green card) is admitted to an Ivy, his/her performance in all aspects should be superb.
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-11-21 12:23
The average lodging and tuition fee should be around 50K to 55K for priviate US colleges. If you take into account the books, travelling and daily expenses, you need to pay about 60K to 65K to study in an American college each year.
作者: HKTHK 時間: 12-11-21 12:36
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I don't think many students from HK at Ivy Leagues become naturalized as American citizens. Most return to work in HK after a few years.
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-11-21 12:43
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You may probably be correct.
Your kid may have an edge if you are an alumni - they call it a legacy case.
According to my observations from my kids' school, those who were admitted to Ivies or equivalents are mostly Americans.
作者: 21Ckid 時間: 12-11-21 12:56
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The "market price" for donation is about US$5 million plus a good family background. The US$2 million (for 2) was no enough. They were either tricked by the so called middleman or just want to "save up" 80%.
作者: HKTHK 時間: 12-11-21 23:31
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And if you have that kind of money and the opportunity to donate and get your child in, would you do it? I know I won't. I believe in working hard and earning the things you want in life.
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-11-22 10:44
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I won't have the money to make the donation. However, if I did have, I would not give such donation to buy a place in the Ivies. There are a number of elite universities in the world. Hong Kong has 3 universities placed in the top 100 ranking.
作者: laorenjia 時間: 12-11-22 10:47
另一個香港人難入ivy或top tier universities 嘅原因可能係implied quotas for ethnic groups.香港人要同萬千強國精英學生爭，並非易事。有報道美國嘅ABC都儘量隱瞞自己嘅Asian origins嚟報名，因以ABC身份報競爭較大。分分鐘入籍澳門，攞住葡萄牙護照(唔知重可唔可以)嚟申請會易好多。
作者: 21Ckid 時間: 12-11-22 11:07
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I don't know their vetting criteria, and how good a family background is good enough, but i suppose most of those who pass would consider US$5 million a spare change. And somehow, if you are a world class tycoon, they expect it from you.
If i am a billionaire then i think i may, in particular if i am new rich, because pedigree is so important. Sad, but that's the reality of life.
作者: 21Ckid 時間: 12-11-22 11:15
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I think by the time our kid grows up, it will be much much tougher, because you would be facing the best of the best from the 2 billion+ people from mainland, india, korea, etc in which you can easily find some scoring almost full marks in SAT etc. Hongkongers will be squeezed out. So forget about the ivy leagues and oxbridge. The 3 top u in hongkong will be the best practical choices.
Nonetheless, I still plan to put my kid in IS so he can speak good english (and hopefully mandarin) and in any event, have a happy childhood.
作者: laorenjia 時間: 12-11-22 11:17
HKTHK 發表於 12-11-21 23:31
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And if you have that kind of money and the opportunity to donate and get your child in, would you do it? I know I won't. I believe in working hard and earning the things you want in life.
又咪講到咁盡，當要捐嘅数目對你講係九牛一毛呢？好似好多人想將仔女送入國際學校，咪又係限於個錢字。若錢對你唔係問題，你又鐘意國際學校，但唔通係又話" I know I won't. I believe in working hard and earning the things you want in life"就送個仔入本地學校。如果你唔係李超人一級，你估你個仔喺Ivy出嚟就唔駛work hard and earn the things he wants in life?如果你係李超人一級，唔送兩個仔入Standford一類嘅學校又有乜好處呢？我會睇自己能力，亦會睇仔女嘅能力。更多人忽略後者。我哋唔知小小超為何dropped out from Stanford，是否單纯效法Bill Gates？
作者: laorenjia 時間: 12-11-22 11:30
21Ckid 發表於 12-11-22 11:15
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I think by the time our kid grows up, it will be much much tougher, because y ...
唔係講笑，入籍阿努阿圖真係會有着數。Ivies係悲觀少少，但Oxbridge機會大好多，但你要apply from the public schools in the UK，易過由香港申請九條街。
作者: lui 時間: 12-11-22 14:15 標題: 引用：Quote:HKTHK+發表於+12-11-21+23:31+回復+2
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又咪講到咁盡，當要捐嘅数目對你講係九牛一毛呢？好似好多人想將仔女送入國際學校，咪又係限於個錢字。若 ...
作者: laorenjia 時間: 12-11-22 14:38
Ivies係難，而且會越嚟越難。But for educated parents，趁強國人唔熟悉liberal arts college住，申請Williams, Amherst, Wellesley應該會易啲。一係就送去美國讀中學。話說回頭，如果唔係剩係吼住頭嗰十幾間，一般香港中上學生，要入跟住個二三十間美國大學，又應該ok易噃。
作者: HKTHK 時間: 12-11-22 14:48
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I dont think I get what you are trying to say. Do you mean that one should pay for such admissions if money is not a concern?
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-11-22 15:33
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William, Amherst & Wellesley are also top top top liberal art colleges. Admission to these colleges is as difficult as to Ivies.
作者: laorenjia 時間: 12-11-22 15:34
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Sorry, I did not mean to offend. But as to question, more or less, yes.
Like many parents, I'm paying more than half a million HK$ a year for my daughter's studies in the US although she could have gone to HKU which already offered her a place. This means I'm willing to pay approximately HK$2 million more for a slightly better university education for my daughter. If a poor dad like me is willing to part with 2 million dollars for my daughter, what is wrong with the people who are trillion times financially better than me to erect a new builing in the campus where their kid is going to? Looking from the perspective of a parent only.
作者: laorenjia 時間: 12-11-22 15:35
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但暫時仲係少啲強國人爭。
作者: HKTHK 時間: 12-11-22 17:20
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I am not offended at all, really was just not sure what you were trying to convey. I now know what you mean. Every parent want what is good for their kids. The question for me is whether paying for such an admission is good for them. It is not a matter of whether one can afford it but a matter of principle. Of course, this is all theoretical since I can't afford it in the first place.
作者: laorenjia 時間: 12-11-22 23:30
入去重可以靠錢，出嚟就要靠佢自己了。好似現今英皇室王子公主都不是Oxbridge的，怕的就可能是有一兩個蛋頭教授唔生性執正嚟做。記憶中好似重未有直系係大學2-1畢業嘅。
作者: laorenjia 時間: 12-11-22 23:43
Sorry. I was wrong. Princess Beatrice graduated from Goldsmiths College of London U last year with a 2-1.
作者: Alnita 時間: 12-11-23 18:33 標題: 回覆：Kareese 的帖子
Kareese，你可唔可以PM我你小朋友學中文嘅詳情，我個仔想學多D繁體中文。
作者: angel-papa 時間: 12-11-23 19:00 標題: 回覆：Radiomama 的帖子
點解呢？壓力太大？
作者: silverbell 時間: 12-11-28 15:22
Shootastar 發表於 12-11-21 11:22
So it is not a bad idea that the kid receives primary education in a local school. If he can cope with the learning environment in local secondary school, there is no need to make a switch. If he wants to explore other options, then make a try in an IS.
I am in the midst of struggle whether I should send my kid to LS or IS for his primary education. And I am interested in what you have shared.
You said it is not a bad idea to study in LS at the beginning. Do you mean that the academic foundation will be stronger if the kid goes to LS? And, if he switches to IS at secondary level, he will be in an advantageoous position because he is already academically strong? You said your kids went to good, but not top local primary schools. Did they have to pay tonnes of efforts, particularly in English, to catch up with their fellow classmates in IS?
A friend of mine has just switched to an IS from a LS at secondary level. He's realized that his English lags far behind his schoolmates. Did your children encounter similar problem, and if yes, how long did they need to catch up with their counterparts? Did they enjoy studying in IS more than LS?
I have similar planning for my kid. If it is convenient, may you share which IS your children went to? Many many thanks.
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-11-28 16:37
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Please check PM.
作者: chwmama313 時間: 12-11-28 17:06
Shootastar 發表於 12-11-28 16:37
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Please check PM.
Hi Shootastar, could you pls also share your thoughts with me? My boy is small now and I'm thinking if we should send him to int'l kinder (which will lead him to IS route all the way) or start with LS and then switch to IS at a later stage. Thx a lot!
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-11-28 17:15
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Please check PM.
作者: HKTHK 時間: 12-11-28 18:01
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Shootastar> Would be interested in your thoughts on transferring from LS to IS as well. If you have that choice today again, would you do the same? I also wonder what your children's choice would be since they have gone through the process. One of the reasons that I moved my child from LS to IS is because I find the level of English unbearable. If it were at an acceptable level, then I might have stuck it out but she could barely hold a conversation in English and actually worsened after moving from an Eng NET kindergarten.
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-11-28 18:31
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Please check PM
作者: joys2334 時間: 12-11-28 20:11
有架，唔係因為中文問題 (次要)
係佢要日日對住部電腦做野
如果家長係唔知/唔理仔女對住部電腦做緊乜野
隨時係一個好大的bomb
亦覺得大家對IS的評價ｏｖｅｒｐｒａｉｓｅｄ左少少
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