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標題: 行IS既家長， 係咪一係就有外國護照？一係就買債劵入學? [打印本頁]
作者: carlyn1031 時間: 23-3-4 22:41 標題: 行IS既家長， 係咪一係就有外國護照？一係就買債劵入學?
我小朋友，都確定性格上要行IS條路㗎喇，但我debenture真係唔想俾幾百萬咁，應該話，俾唔起..請問有無家長，無foreign passport但都俾咗少少錢（幾十萬內）就入到？
謝謝
作者: liumeowjen 時間: 23-3-4 23:01
其實我相信冇邊個小朋友係唔適合行IS 既
所以調返轉應該係要諗俾小朋友入is 之前，家長是否有足夠嘅財力支持可以完成整個ls嘅課程
如果喺入呢啲之前第一關即係債券都唔想買嘅話，我諗都真係比較困難去入is
Esf 好多人都覺得算係比較平50 萬
或者你考慮一下本地I B課程嘅學校可能會適合啲
作者: 964000 時間: 23-3-4 23:16
carlyn1031 發表於 23-3-4 22:41 
我小朋友，都確定性格上要行IS條路㗎喇，但我debenture真係唔想俾幾百萬咁，應該話，俾唔起..請問有無家長 ...
本帖最後由 964000 於 23-3-4 23:17 編輯
除非你只target某一間學校，否則唔洗買，只預早Plan好D，小朋友準備好D，點都會入到一間不錯的。
通常入唔到係太遲plan, 或三心兩意攪到兩頭唔到岸。
作者: carlyn1031 時間: 23-3-4 23:35
liumeowjen 發表於 23-3-4 23:01
其實我相信冇邊個小朋友係唔適合行IS 既
所以調返轉應該係要諗俾小朋友入is 之前，家長是否有足夠嘅財力 ...
咁講係因為..讀完本地playgroup,了解小朋友性格先咁講。
有d小朋友，真係自己鍾意考試同分名次㗎，我識人就係當每次考試係表現自己既機會。會考高考都係狀元，讀大學都係從來唔使錢，甚至獎學金多到賺到錢..真係可以有呢種人 (emoji)(emoji)(emoji)(emoji)讀IS浪費佢才能
作者: 964000 時間: 23-3-5 07:42
carlyn1031 發表於 23-3-4 23:35
咁講係因為..讀完本地playgroup,了解小朋友性格先咁講。
有d小朋友，真係自己鍾意考試同分名次㗎，我識人 ...
本帖最後由 964000 於 23-3-5 09:35 編輯
但如果自細train到考試機器咁，真係對全人發展係最好嗎？
又點解覺得去IS會浪費才能？除非佢只懂死讀書，否則去到IS一様會成績好好，做IB狀元。IS最叻個D唔止讀書叻，係行出來表達/社交/能力都好叻。我見過個由幼稚園開始IS的學生，debate team香港代表, IB45分，Oxford Law+ Stanford 都收咗，拿scholarship 幾百萬，會浪費嗎？其實邊度都有叻人。
作者: chima_pigpig 時間: 23-3-5 08:24
carlyn1031 發表於 23-3-4 22:41
我小朋友，都確定性格上要行IS條路㗎喇，但我debenture真係唔想俾幾百萬咁，應該話，俾唔起..請問有無家長 ...
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作者: chima_pigpig 時間: 23-3-5 08:43
mehaha 發表於 23-3-5 08:29
相信讀書叻嘅係邊個制度下讀書都會叻。我自己比小朋友讀IS係因為character同mindset building..而且我同意 ...
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作者: mandy_ng207 時間: 23-3-5 09:10
carlyn1031 發表於 23-3-4 23:35
咁講係因為..讀完本地playgroup,了解小朋友性格先咁講。
有d小朋友，真係自己鍾意考試同分名次㗎，我識人 ...
本帖最後由 mandy_ng207 於 23-3-5 09:12 編輯
我身邊有一個資優小朋友，佢細個遲開始講嘢乜學校都考唔到，結果入咗屋企附近ESF kindergarten，但ESF比到佢好好嘅栽培，可以按自己程度超前學習，而家已經入咗超級名校boarding School。我諗鍾意考試嘅小朋友其實係鍾意挑戰自己，讀IS會有更多挑戰自己嘅機會，你諗吓佢係local School全部嘢都識晒，唔使發力都考滿分，會滿足嗎？我細個都鍾意讀書考試，原因有二：第一，唔讀會俾人鬧甚至打，唯有將讀書變成習慣；第二，考得好先至會有獎品，考得唔好乜都冇。
咁你又細心諗一下你身邊嘅狀元有冇面對呢啲情況？
回覆有關debentures，我屋企都冇外國護照，阿仔幼稚園讀一間冇小學嘅，小學入咗一間冇中學嘅，排咗四年隊，現在入咗ESF，只係year 1時入第一間小學比過三萬蚊refundable debenture。
作者: Miss2207 時間: 23-3-5 10:31
本帖最後由 Miss2207 於 23-3-5 10:34 編輯
I think op is referring to debentures that increase your chance of getting an offer for an international school ie those that give priority, and not the ones that many of you are referring above where you have to pay for a debenture or capital levy AFTER receiving an offer (so it’s mandatory and basically just another name for tuition fees imo).
Not sure how much debentures trade at for different schools (the ones that give you priority for offers) but not unusual for them to be more than a million which does place you on a higher priority for those schools - but supposedly still need to pass assessment. ESF is relatively cheaper and only 500k but again you need to pass the assessment.
I’m sure alot of non foreign passport holders at international schools would not have bought debentures and got in in their own right. So I don’t think it’s a must to buy a debenture unless you really really want to go to one particular school.
As per above, much easier for non fp and non debenture holders to get in at the lower year levels and native English is key.
作者: simonchan1986 時間: 23-3-5 13:46
carlyn1031 發表於 23-3-4 22:41
我小朋友，都確定性格上要行IS條路㗎喇，但我debenture真係唔想俾幾百萬咁，應該話，俾唔起..請問有無家長 ...
How old is your kid? I think the earlier you apply, the easier it will be...
作者: carlyn1031 時間: 23-3-5 14:05
simonchan1986 發表於 23-3-5 13:46
How old is your kid? I think the earlier you apply, the easier it will be...
19 months now. Am I too late?
作者: simonchan1986 時間: 23-3-5 14:27
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Not at all, but just curious what makes you think your kid is destined for the IS route while he is so young?
作者: carlyn1031 時間: 23-3-5 14:40
simonchan1986 發表於 23-3-5 14:27
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Not at all, but just curious what makes you think your kid is destined for t ...
We have joined a few playgroups to see which one suits him better. We quitted one of them because we had to move and quitted the other one later as he did not enjoy the strict routine there. He is a very curious boy who always loves walking around to learn about everything. In HK local's perspective, he is seen as "not disciplined" as he is not that interested in circle time, not willing to join the queue, etc. I was sort of being doubted by the teachers for not paying my effort to teach my son discipline.. but the fact is I am with him most of the time, and he was not like that at home. He was also having the signs of Trouble Two and now he is just getting better and better with our care and teaching with patience. We are rejected by the pg's pn recently while others in the class receive the offer.
Another reason is that, as I came from 傳統名校, I understand how it works and I do not want my son to learn under the 填鴨system.. I want him to have the intrinsic motivation to learn.
All these made me choose the IS path.
(sorry for the crappy English.. typing in a rush)
作者: simonchan1986 時間: 23-3-5 14:56
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I see, in that case you can put him to Woodland/Tutortime first, see if the more western-style playgroup suits him before making your next move...If it were to suit, then you could look to apply IS in the coming Aug-Oct application season...
You can search the IS closest to your home here:
https://internationalschools.edb.hkedcity.net/find_schools.php?lang=en
作者: 964000 時間: 23-3-5 17:09
carlyn1031 發表於 23-3-5 14:05
19 months now. Am I too late?
Not late at all, you can now join IS playgroup and target IS nursery. Start to do school visits and apply accordingly.
作者: girl2016 時間: 23-3-5 19:03
carlyn1031 發表於 23-3-4 23:35
咁講係因為..讀完本地playgroup,了解小朋友性格先咁講。
有d小朋友，真係自己鍾意考試同分名次㗎，我識人 ...
本帖最後由 girl2016 於 23-3-5 19:04 編輯
讀IS 讀得叻入大學都可狂拎獎學金。所以你呢點唔係是否讀IS便浪費嘅大原因。
另一樣，佢好鐘意考卷拎第一，本地學校考卷黎表現自己。但如果佢去IS，小學初中無乜考測，佢反而會有好大量時間可參加唔同公開比賽，或者國際比賽，只係個舞台唔同左，但都一樣有好多發揮機會。
作者: Happi_Kiddie 時間: 23-3-5 21:11
carlyn1031 發表於 23-3-5 14:40
We have joined a few playgroups to see which one suits him better. We quitted one of them because w ...
Being a parent of DSC, my kid is totally enjoying school everyday. One of the best thing is that the demographic of the student mix is truly international (local student is minority). For your reference.
作者: grace_2022 時間: 23-3-5 22:06
據我所知大部分IS debenture都係幾十萬或以下，入咗先買，而唔係買咗增加入讀機會
作者: liumeowjen 時間: 23-3-5 23:23
carlyn1031 發表於 23-3-5 14:40
We have joined a few playgroups to see which one suits him better. We quitted one of them because w ...
其實而家仲係好early stage
又唔駛一定要框死自己讀乜
Woodland , small world , city kids ，多多
乜都可以試吓先
其實我好多外國朋友都冇話一定要IS
佢哋有D VEO 收，都揀st Paul church
我呢面西區，我個女d同學all mix 好多人都冇揀woodland ，反而都只係wisely 。認真local 都唔係一定唔ok
Take it easy la
未試過local k 只係playgroup 就話小朋友一定is m我覺得有時讀乜學校，d家長個vibe 都要夾，如果自己純local 背景＇小朋友又會唔會融入到？反而係我自己嘅考慮
作者: carlyn1031 時間: 23-3-6 01:10
liumeowjen 發表於 23-3-5 23:23
其實而家仲係好early stage
又唔駛一定要框死自己讀乜
Woodland , small world , city kids ，多多
係 都同意..只係前後去過ITT VEO 同其他都感覺麻麻
我會繼續嘗試
謝謝
作者: carlyn1031 時間: 23-3-6 01:13
liumeowjen 發表於 23-3-5 23:23
其實而家仲係好early stage
又唔駛一定要框死自己讀乜
Woodland , small world , city kids ，多多
可能因為自己經歷過local制度 感受太深 所以真正融入唔到既係我 我個仔咁細個 好多時都唔知唔明人地既評語 (emoji)(emoji)
作者: 964000 時間: 23-3-6 04:14
liumeowjen 發表於 23-3-5 23:23
其實而家仲係好early stage
又唔駛一定要框死自己讀乜
Woodland , small world , city kids ，多多
其實想入IS愈早決定愈好, 因為要培養語境同個mindset, 搵學校會順(emoji)好多。
同意家長自己要夾到，小朋友自細入通常冇問題，所以先試吓IS攪的playgroup （不是bilingual）睇下啱唔啱自己feel都好。
我都純local背境反而完全融入唔到local school, 一歲幾時試完IS playgroup已返唔到轉頭（乜原來有D咁正嘅野！），神校都冇興趣稔了（當然大家會話你都未必考到，但我女係夠分入神津的），我覺得從小放女在IS係最好的決擇，小朋友現已高小各様都滿意，見一起長大在不同IS的小朋友, 都有自信的各有所長，當然家長培育亦很大功勞。
外國人唔洗一定揀IS, 一來貴二來自己有語境隨時想轉都得。
作者: simonchan1986 時間: 23-3-6 07:50
964000 發表於 23-3-6 04:14
其實想入IS愈早決定愈好, 因為要培養語境同個mindset, 搵學校會順(emoji)好多。
同意家長自己要夾到，小朋 ...
作者: booboozi 時間: 23-3-6 09:11
同意樓上幾位講早啲諗定係行IS的話，會容易plan，小朋友大人又唔洗花咁多心力。
接觸左IS連我自己做家長個mindset都擴闊了好多，個眼界會放向小朋友發展嗰度，唔只係成績。例如佢番學個學習方式係點架，去playground玩乜同乜人玩，art係做乜會用乜野工具幫手。我問佢：「你番學坐邊個隔離？」佢就話：「鍾意坐邊個隔離都得，唔定架，坐地下都得。」我感覺自己好似問左好silly 嘅問題。
如果唔介意名氣，其入國際學校有好多選擇。入唔到都有好多其他選擇比你準備銜接。最緊要係細個培養英語
作者: booboozi 時間: 23-3-6 09:14
想講要培養英語及社交能力。咁考入/轉入唔同IS都容易啲適應。
作者: liumeowjen 時間: 23-3-6 09:47
964000 發表於 23-3-6 04:14
其實想入IS愈早決定愈好, 因為要培養語境同個mindset, 搵學校會順(emoji)好多。
同意家長自己要夾到，小朋 ...
其實我唔識分點為之is play group 和local play group 
，因為疫情下可以參加既時候好有限
我係open to all 教育方式
我自己local school ，我唔太了解外國個套，都係慢慢行慢慢了解
只不過我只係覺得小朋友仲好細，佢一定係話一定要邊一種
我其實放棄左3間龍幼，幫我入happy school 。我覺得個vibe 適合佢
我話early stage 係因為呢個階段都仲可以乜都試吓先
唔好咁心急，樓主只試過itt artplus
其實好商業化。可以試多幾個playgroup 先
同埋如果報N，我真係覺得冇乜所謂
作者: liumeowjen 時間: 23-3-6 09:48
booboozi 發表於 23-3-6 09:14
想講要培養英語及社交能力。咁考入/轉入唔同IS都容易啲適應。
同意
我覺得而家揀咁多，真係不如培養下語境
考is 好重要
作者: carlyn1031 時間: 23-3-6 11:39
booboozi 發表於 23-3-6 09:11
同意樓上幾位講早啲諗定係行IS的話，會容易plan，小朋友大人又唔洗花咁多心力。
接觸左IS連我自己做家長個 ...
咁就好了! 已經對教導英語有所準備..會繼續努力
作者: poonseelai 時間: 23-3-6 13:12
carlyn1031 發表於 23-3-6 11:39
咁就好了! 已經對教導英語有所準備..會繼續努力
一間學校內只有一種性格的學生？學校就好似一個社區, 有不同性格的孩子, 我自己唔相信什麼性格適合IS or LS, 我會選教學模式。不如想下在AI 越來越普及情況下, 包括近排好熱門的chatgpt, 孩子未來需要什麼 skills? 怎樣的教學模式更能好好預備孩子適應將來的世界。
作者: melobi12 時間: 23-3-6 17:14
poonseelai 發表於 23-3-6 13:12
一間學校內只有一種性格的學生？學校就好似一個社區, 有不同性格的孩子, 我自己唔相信什麼性格適合IS or L ...
本帖最後由 melobi12 於 23-3-6 17:16 編輯
認同！
唔明點解咁多人成日定型「小朋友文靜乖巧就啱local school」，「小朋友好奇心重活潑坐唔定就啱IS」，我真係非常唔buy呢個講法。好想為文靜小朋友平反！
我片面嘅認知係大部分LS大部分時間靠老師spoon feed 答案俾學生，測驗時學生答題make sense 但同model answer有出入就話係錯，初小無限糾纏喺中文字嗰一撇一捺係45度角定50度角之上，諸如此類。呢啲完全係不必要又無謂嘅壓力，我覺得任何性格嘅小朋友都唔應該承受呢啲壓力。
相反喺IS，老師鼓勵小朋友發問，教佢地用唔同方法去揾答案、學習知識，絕對鼓勵小朋友think out of the box，同時亦教佢地要同其他人cooperate、要有resilience、點樣communicate with others effectively，更加要respect 唔同人嘅諗法、背景，要有international mindedness。呢啲比起識背model answers、「聽教聽話」，更加有意義，更加預備到小朋友喺20年後嘅社會生活。呢啲難道唔係對每個人都有好處嘅訓練嚟？點解只有「外向好奇活潑嘅小朋友」先值得被培養成有以上特質嘅人？
好不幸地IS的確唔係個個家庭負擔到，但亦唔係話只有好富裕嘅家庭先讀得起。如果你揀得要交學費嘅私校，加上無限補習班費用，其實要讀一啲價錢比較相宜嘅IS亦綽綽有餘。
冇foreign passport，只要行動得夠早，都可以有唔少選擇。
作者: carlyn1031 時間: 23-3-6 23:35
非常感謝各位踴躍回覆我相信我心裡面已經有答案
我可以一心一意走我既IS路
大家都加油!!
作者: Radiomama 時間: 23-3-7 08:18
如果諗住讀IS , 由ESF 幼稚園入門是較便宜和大路的選擇，可以由呢間學校開始著手睇資料。
順著這方向，你又會發現有啲家長唔揀ESF，咁當然有不同理由，咁你又可以問吓自己，會唔會都有果啲考慮，於是你又會再擴展睇吓其他學校的特點。
無論動或靜嘅小朋友都可以適應IS的學習環境，反而要考慮的是實際情況，如經濟條件和上學距離。
作者: dem0cracy 時間: 23-3-7 09:12
提一提樓主，有幾間學校真係早D申請會排得前D，例如Kellett FIS，如果有興趣就快D遞表。
作者: 964000 時間: 23-3-7 09:28
simonchan1986 發表於 23-3-6 07:50
agreed, if you decide to go for the IS route, the earlier the better but of course you should make s ...
本帖最後由 964000 於 23-3-22 18:36 編輯
好多家長話小朋友唔啱IS，因為佢一定有個框比佢，要有指示先識得點做，先發揮得好。
我心稔， 呢啲咪平時工作時遇到，踢一腳行一步，問親佢點解唔做都話「你都冇叫」，真係優點？第日純負責執行的工種都可能AI做哂，趁細個培養下他的自主和決策的能力更重要
作者: rowanmama 時間: 23-3-8 22:15
除左ESF仲有FIS同KCIS，有中學仲要學費都好抵，可以深入了解下
作者: codyalbert 時間: 23-3-22 17:01
VEO 每年k2 都有近50%小朋友去了IS
作者: Roobu 時間: 23-3-23 23:22
melobi12 發表於 23-3-6 17:14
本帖最後由 melobi12 於 23-3-6 17:16 編輯
認同！
本帖最後由 Roobu 於 23-3-23 23:23 編輯
Totally agree with you ‘我片面嘅認知係大部分LS大部分時間靠老師spoon feed 答案俾學生，測驗時學生答題make sense 但同model answer有出入就話係錯，初小無限糾纏喺中文字嗰一撇一捺係45度角定50度角之上，諸如此類。呢啲完全係不必要又無謂嘅壓力，我覺得任何性格嘅小朋友都唔應該承受呢啲壓力。
相反喺IS，老師鼓勵小朋友發問，教佢地用唔同方法去揾答案、學習知識，絕對鼓勵小朋友think out of the box’
我小朋友P2, 岩岩由LS龍校轉左IS.小朋友話第一日返學老師就鼓勵佢去
嘗試， it’s okay to be wrong.
之前讀LS, 老師會講好多唔可以， 錯等等既字眼。我覺得長期向咁既環境 只會令小朋友失去自信 框架左自己。
填鴨式教育 無間斷默書評估測驗考試 真係好辛苦。大人都要講 work life balance, 小朋友都要 study life balance.
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