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標題: HKIS vs. GSIS [打印本頁]
作者: honeybunny8 時間: 22-4-14 19:52 標題: HKIS vs. GSIS
本帖最後由 honeybunny8 於 22-4-14 20:40 編輯
小朋友讀緊 local school，有 HKIS and GSIS 嘅高小 offers。小朋友愛閱讀，善寫作，對科技有興趣，性格開朗但比較被動。
暫時佢比較喜歡 HKIS，因為校舍大又靚。我又只認識 HKIS 嘅家長，GSIS 果邊唔識人，所以想請教大家嘅意見，尤其係係師資、教學模式、以及同學之間嘅關係上，會唔會有好大分別？謝謝🙏🏻
作者: annie40 時間: 22-4-15 15:11
本帖最後由 annie40 於 22-4-15 15:19 編輯
honeybunny8 發表於 22-4-14 19:52 
小朋友讀緊 local school，有 HKIS and GSIS 嘅高小 offers。小朋友愛閱讀，善寫作，對科技有興趣，性格開 ...
恭喜啊，你的孩子肯定十分出眾，畢竟GSIS不容易考上，特別是插班生。我不是這兩所學校家長，但不少朋友孩子和女兒朋友曾在那兒上學，儘量給你一點資料，希望能參考。
記得女兒小學階段自己經常帶她參加GSIS的課後興趣班，GSIS小學似乎比其他IS學生忙，等待活動時間竟然有孩子由菲傭提示下做練習，當下有點不以為然。但平心而論GSIS孩子無論華人洋人，長相就是眉清目秀，聰明又家境好的，原來有樣睇。德國人辦學，以嚴謹著稱，是少有的學校，未聽聞學生品行有嚴重不端事件，朋友女兒由RC，上到year 13,亦説少聽少見霸凌行為。
HKIS應該是全港最美的IS，美式教育，老師有好有差，（曾認識幾個任教老師），學生成績兩極，簡單就是叻的好叻，差的就算唔多返學的，也可以升班，華人一般都屬於叻的一群，所以不用擔心。
前幾個月看到全球最佳中學50強（按入ivy and oxbridge算）,記得香港入圍的有3間，兩間LS, GSIS是唯一入圍的IS，星加坡入圍學校比香港多，看完心情是有點不服，回頭想學校排名是遊戲，最要緊還是孩子自己爭氣。
作者: honeybunny8 時間: 22-4-15 17:15
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謝謝前輩你的回覆。GSIS 嘅學術成績的確係 IS 中出名高… 但我又覺得佢咁小班 (小學一級 57 人？），會唔會令小朋友自覺很精英（elitist)？ 學校會唔會似係一間國際版嘅 local schools (咁谷）？同學間會唔會互相比較得厲害？
我同意你講，小朋友讀書要靠自己，所以我唔認為一定要揀成績最好果間，我想了解埋 culture、soft skills、social skills、exposure 等等。
其實我新手，唔知講得 make 唔 make sense…
作者: annie40 時間: 22-4-15 18:10
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謝謝前輩你的回覆。GSIS 嘅學術成績的確係 IS 中出名高… 但我又覺得佢咁小班 (小學 ...
謝謝前輩你的回覆。GSIS 嘅學術成績的確係 IS 中出名高… 但我又覺得佢咁小班 (小學一級 57 人？），會唔會令小朋友自覺很精英（elitist)？ 學校會唔會似係一間國際版嘅 local schools (咁谷）？同學間會唔會互相比較得厲害？Xxxxxxxx
完全明白你的憂慮，我自己也是因為心存憂慮，覺得精英化的IS太像 LS, 雖然住得算近，卻沒讓女兒轉去GSIS就讀，特別在二十年前，IS還是齊齊躺平年代，大家都不在意。
無可否認不少家長以孩子考上GSIS為榮，自覺高人一等，但更多只是單純的重視子女教育和品德，而不是要培養狀元，只要孩子有品格，能否去ivy, oxbridge,隨緣吧。我見過的GSIS學生，都是溫文有禮，也沒有甚麼刻意比較，同學住山頂的，住愉景灣，住西區的，相處也很融洽。每所IS學校總有些成績特別優秀的學生，同學間見慣叻人，也不會看作一回事。反之見過很十分平民化的IS學生，喜歡在LS學生面前擺顯，不知底氣何來？HKIS是自成一角，認識的孩子也不是很驕傲的人，然而曾經在十數間IS聯校活動上，親耳和目睹HKIS洋女孩們用種族歧視說話,外貌歧視等，攻擊其他IS學校學生。( 唯一的IS有這樣的行為）
自己女兒的小學人數也很少，其實很好，year 1 to 6,全校同學的名字全記得，一年級跟六年級照樣交朋友，社交圈大大。
Ps. 記得7,8年前GSIS未轉IB,兼沒什麼中文堂，令不少家長卻步，不知道現在中文科有否改善。
作者: 964000 時間: 22-4-15 18:48
honeybunny8 發表於 22-4-15 17:15
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謝謝前輩你的回覆。GSIS 嘅學術成績的確係 IS 中出名高… 但我又覺得佢咁小班 (小學 ...
本帖最後由 964000 於 22-5-6 17:48 編輯
請問你Year幾，轉校原因是甚麼及有咩期望？
GSIS小學係一間好typical 的IS小學，你的問題全部答案係negative, 小朋友冇乜concept覺得精唔精英，大家都好小朋友，學校不鼓勵比較，亦都冇測考冇野好比，自細IS大的小朋友大部分呢方面都「懵懵地」。小學一D都唔谷，今年網課上完連功課都冇（上堂做哂）, 教的東西好solid，一條龍升中。
Social 方面，本身係細校，小學一級得兩班，全級小朋友由細玩到大，D家長又互相認識，一個closely knitted community咁唔會有bully。
另外既然高小，可能要考慮埋中學及將來想考甚麼公開試，另外小朋友意願都很重要。
作者: mattmm 時間: 22-4-15 19:15
請問GSIS的中文最高程度的那個班，大概是什麼水平？7年級選中文的學生，IB能handle Chinese B吗？中文是否普遍需要外面補習
7年級選了法語的學生，是否從此在學校沒有中文堂
作者: Youweird 時間: 22-4-15 20:42
小儿y2的时候申请了gsis的y3, harrow的y3和Hkis 的g2。结果是hkis第三天就给了offer, 哈罗到y2开学后给了offer, Gsis是一每个学期给我们寄一封信说没有位置，然后邀请我们免费考y4。
当然选择了Hkis。我猜想Hkis这么干脆地给了offer是因为和哥哥一起申请一起录取。哥哥已经高中，因为以后目标美本，所以只申请了Hkis。
去了Hkis才发现和想象中完全不一样。g2的具体表现是不重学术但是重行为规范。我和外子被校长拉着开了好几次会因为小儿在学校不听话，比如作文写打斗场面啊，偷偷摸摸拿水枪去学校玩啊，实在建议我们定期去心理医生处接受疏导…frankly, 那时候真的觉得学校很烦，我们想转学(当然也是害怕说不定会被学校赶出来），于是参加了gsis的y4的interview.
可惜第三轮面试不知为何没有过。我估计小儿的确是不太听话不太配合老师，gsis的面试老师大概看出来了。
然后在hkis升上3年级了。我们突然发现了这个学校的好，不知道因为是换了男老师当home room teacher还是升去了upper primary school开始不单单只看行为规范了，小朋友再也没有被学校投诉过。而大校的各种好处也开始体现出来了：应有尽有的eca, 随便挑，我们选了游泳和弦乐队，还参加了棒球俱乐部。由于最终目标还是美本，我觉得目前为止我对学校还是非常满意。
哥哥还在高中部，他说高中课程还是相当鸡血。今年他们美国常春藤学校的申请非常好。
作者: Youweird 時間: 22-4-15 20:45
我在想，我家小儿这种不听话的性格，去了gsis大概真的会被学校开除的
作者: 964000 時間: 22-4-15 21:54
mattmm 發表於 22-4-15 19:15
請問GSIS的中文最高程度的那個班，大概是什麼水平？7年級選中文的學生，IB能handle Chinese B吗？中文是否 ...
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作者: mattmm 時間: 22-4-15 22:12
annie40 發表於 22-4-15 15:11
恭喜啊，你的孩子肯定十分出眾，畢竟GSIS不容易考上，特別是插班生。我不是這兩所學校家長，但不少朋友孩 ...
作者: annie40 時間: 22-4-15 22:33
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mattmm 發表於 22-4-15 22:12
GSIS面試完全沒有面家長啊，學校怎麼辨別申請人的家境呢？絕大多數人的地址都普通吧 ...
我認識的GSIS，從來沒有「白鴿眼」，完全是看成績和合適度來收生，話之你有尊貴住址，又或是天王老子，不賣賬就不賣賬。
自己認識兩位德藉老師，不知現在仍否在GSIS工作？
Ps. 作為老街坊，也曾badmouth過GSIS, 覺得學生太勤力，父母太緊張，學校要求高。今天回望，這些都不影響它的教育質素。
作者: honeybunny8 時間: 22-4-15 23:33
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由 LS 轉 IS 係想小朋友開開心心咁全面發展。依家佢係 LS 雖然都可以全面發展，但係好有壓力，因為做完咁多功課仲要練琴練波練游水… 我陪住佢都覺攰。我認為童年唔應該係咁，所以決定「豁出去」轉 IS，放手比佢自己行。而且佢性格被動，希望去到 IS 會幫佢學主動啲，夠膽主動發問甚至 challenge teachers，同埋思考多角度啲。至於學術方面，佢係自覺型，所以應該去邊度都會保持到。
作者: honeybunny8 時間: 22-4-16 00:07
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Yea my child has many interests and HKIS seems to offer many appealing ECAs.
作者: 964000 時間: 22-4-16 05:18
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Yea my child has many interests and HKIS seems to offer many appealing ECAs. ...
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作者: 964000 時間: 22-4-16 05:27
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由 LS 轉 IS 係想小朋友開開心心咁全面發展。依家佢係 LS 雖然都可以全面發展，但係好 ...
IS小朋友係最鍾意challenge 老師
我見和local 轉來的小朋友那種必恭必敬係唔同的，佢哋也敢challenge 父母，所以保持良好關係互相尊重有商有量好重要。
作者: Jane1983 時間: 22-4-16 08:59
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IS學習氣氛係好d，同學間良性競爭多，感覺上無本地學校咁激烈。我女中學生，so far我以前自己經歷女校的勾心鬥角，佢地完成唔見。
不過你講到課餘練琴練波練游水好忙，呢d其實係你和小朋友自己安排，去到邊都係一樣。
作者: Dftakwai 時間: 22-4-16 09:23
964000 發表於 22-4-15 21:54
小學中文最高都係我估ESF咁（都係唔高）叫near-native 水平。
到中學中文最高level是native level，主要lo ...
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請教下，讀GSIS 後，
你小朋友還肯講中文嗎？
有自發讀中文故事書嗎？
作者: 964000 時間: 22-4-16 10:24
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IS學習氣氛係好d，同學間良性競爭多，感覺上無本地學校咁激烈。我女中學生，so f ...
「同學間良性競爭多，感覺上無本地學校咁激烈。」
-Agree, 連家長都普遍係，非常好
「不過你講到課餘練琴練波練游水好忙，呢d其實係你和小朋友自己安排，去到邊都係一樣。」
-小朋友有時太多興趣到中學都要取捨，不過小學真係可以盡情玩，放學就放學，不用預時間大考呈分，閲讀就是功課，好多小朋友在自己興趣範籌都可以沒有壓力下盡情發揮。
作者: Jane1983 時間: 22-4-16 11:04
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係ga。其實我講練琴練波練游泳好忙，係自己選擇，並非話家長自己攞黎 。事實上，我女都中學生，每星期都有花好多時間係體藝。呢個係IS比到佢的空間。
我覺得比我女讀國際，係我為佢成長安排的三件好事之一。另外兩件係培養佢熱愛體藝，以及養了一頭可愛的大白狗。
作者: 964000 時間: 22-4-16 11:17
Dftakwai 發表於 22-4-16 09:23
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請教下，讀GSIS 後，
本帖最後由 964000 於 22-5-6 17:50 編輯
佢會講中文，因為家中自細講中文。
如果屋企父母自細都同佢講英文就有機會唔肯講。
作者: 964000 時間: 22-4-16 11:25
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係ga。其實我講練琴練波練游泳好忙，係自己選擇，並非話家長自己攞黎 。事實 ...
本帖最後由 964000 於 22-4-16 17:40 編輯
忙唔緊要，最緊要全部係自己喜歡的，又享受個成果便值得。
讀書時忙於體藝，對身心發展都好，反而小時候忙做練習忙背書，考完試轉個頭就忘記晒了，入了一條龍升中的IS, 可以賺多兩年玩了。
作者: Leo0128 時間: 22-4-29 08:06
honeybunny8 發表於 22-4-14 19:52
小朋友讀緊 local school，有 HKIS and GSIS 嘅高小 offers。小朋友愛閱讀，善寫作，對科技有興趣，性格開 ...
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 22-4-29 10:48
阿女畢咗業幾年，有二三個同學，我識得的，成績麻麻IB 32-34分，學校好似無乜比好大壓力，依然畢業。依我觀察，係GSIS學生同家長自己給自己壓力。呢啲都係相對lS而言。
阿女中學好玩好多嘢，足球藍球Hockey，2 屆 East Asian Games 。佢哋debate 好強，以前有不少港隊。
阿女中學成績平平，只有BBCC咁，到考公開考試又識發下力。入大學絕大部份是好大學。
作者: lui 時間: 22-5-1 03:15
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我哋在高小，學校唔pushy .不過好重視自律。老師不停灌輸管理自己的重要性，不會怪責成績。功課messy 會教訓你。教你世界時事，明辨是非，阿女同我分析俄烏戰爭及一二次世界大戰。感覺好connect to the world.
但也要坦白，見到內部家長意見，上到中學，小學升上的家長說test 太深，未能好好transit, 要學校跟進。我想佢哋之後會pick up 到，只係小學冇test突然test.d分低，家長們嚇親。
所以小學唔谷。今年online school 真係沒什有功課，同事間大清早一早就google meet ,（get tgr )又合作做project.
我想HKIS也非常好，不過GSIs亦唔係你怕很谷的學校
作者: ratafan 時間: 22-5-3 09:50 標題: 回覆樓主：
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我家小孩Gsis 高中畢業，老師沒有給他們壓力，壓力主要來自同輩，大部分同學家長都係專業人士，對孩子期望極高，如果冇要求，也唔會送孩子去gsis
好多小朋友能力也好高，又讀得又玩得，去完蘭桂坊(當年仲好旺，宜家死城），几日後去考IB都冇問題，不是死讀書。其中一個top scorer 是三項鐵人，佢哋叻原因是個個都希望做top achiever,臨近考試，老師常常email叫我們家長唔好咁pushy。
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 22-5-3 10:45
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我哋在高小，學校唔pushy .不過好重視自律。老師不停灌輸管理自己的重要性，不會 ...
我想佢哋之後會pick up 到，只係小學冇test突然test.d分低，家長們嚇親。
Cxxxxxx
唔使咁緊張，我上面講，我個女到IGCSE前都係顧住玩，讀書都係渾渾噩噩，但到考IGCSE同埋IB又可以谷返起啲成績。
佢哋同輩都有啲壓力，唔會俾自己太過差。
作者: honeybunny8 時間: 22-5-3 11:41
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多謝大家嘅分享。無疑 GSIS 係一流嘅國際學校，我大女入到都好開心。
因為當時留位費限期將至，我哋好快咁考慮過小朋友自己喜好、我哋嘅家庭氛圍、對小朋友成長願景等等，糾結過後選擇咗 HKIS。
我哋係美藉家庭，想小朋友喺香港打好個中文底，所以 HKIS 嘅文化比較合適，小朋友亦可以結識到將來一齊回美國嘅同學仔。我有啲 GSIS 畢業嘅朋友，佢哋亦冇將小朋友送返去 GSIS 小學，因為擔心小學嘅中文課程比較（其他 IS）弱。反而係 HKIS 畢業或者有小朋友現讀嘅朋友覺得 HKIS 小學中文課程改良咗，入到 native stream 會有唔少學生有內地家長幫手Keep住中文competitiveness。
其次，我哋非常注重 STEM、體藝 同 volunteering ，亦都係 Christian family，係呢方面 HKIS 應該最吻合。
我接觸過不少兩校近年畢業生，其實都各有優勢。其他 IS 或國內嘅外語學校嘅畢業生會比較多工程系嘅research / competition experience，相比之下，GSIS 畢業生比較多商科嘅 internship experience。聽講係因為 GSIS 升學 Office 會 focus支援多人選擇嘅學科，呢個我哋都有考慮。
話雖如此，我覺得要讀過先知。大女係先頭部隊，攞經驗比弟妹參考，等弟妹睇定啲遲啲先決定報邊間 IS，定留番係本校升中爭入 IB stream… 留本校嘅 IB 成績應該係全港最好，但會唔會太遲先開始 IB mode ，又唔係100%入到… 😟
作者: Yuacc 時間: 22-5-5 10:52
honeybunny8 發表於 22-5-3 11:41
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多謝大家嘅分享。無疑 GSIS 係一流嘅國際學校，我大女入到都好開心。
咁奇怪, 以我所知GSIS 理科較文科強。
學生參加很多maths and science competitions
作者: Deutsche 時間: 22-5-5 11:03
honeybunny8 發表於 22-4-14 19:52
小朋友讀緊 local school，有 HKIS and GSIS 嘅高小 offers。小朋友愛閱讀，善寫作，對科技有興趣，性格開 ...
恭喜你最終選定了心儀學校，想請教一下gsis高小面試大約考些什麼？因為我小朋友由幼稚園便一條龍，很少面試經驗，更未試過筆試，想俾個心理準備佢大約知做什麼，謝謝
作者: 964000 時間: 22-5-5 14:15
shadeslayer 發表於 22-5-3 10:45
我想佢哋之後會pick up 到，只係小學冇test突然test.d分低，家長們嚇親。
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本帖最後由 964000 於 22-9-19 14:30 編輯
好多升上去都成績好好
反而本地LS插班生狂補習，英文德文都要追下
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 22-5-5 16:11
Yuacc 發表於 22-5-5 10:52
咁奇怪, 以我所知GSIS 理科較文科強。
學生參加很多maths and science competitions
...
文科也強，IB 40幾分，頂尖名校法律系學生一地都係，辯論隊好鬼強。
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 22-5-5 16:13
964000 發表於 22-5-5 14:15
IS和LS不同，小學沒有考試經驗缺乏溫書和答題技巧等訓練（小學啲assessment 都唔洗點溫），一升中突然有te ...
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 22-5-5 16:14 編輯
你話齋佢哋底子好，用幾個月已經追到好多，咁擔心做乜嘢呢？
用虎媽心態讀IS，攞苦嚟辛，冇乜好結果。
作者: Yuacc 時間: 22-5-6 08:06
shadeslayer 發表於 22-5-5 16:11
文科也強，IB 40幾分，頂尖名校法律系學生一地都係，辯論隊好鬼強。
本帖最後由 Yuacc 於 22-5-6 08:14 編輯
係呀, debate team 係好強
我見好多學生IGCSE 揀 triple science , 比揀 geog + Econ+ his 多好多, 所以先奇怪樓上咁講
而且GSIS 中文有分set, high set 要早一年 (即係Y10)考IGCSE, 學生中文程度不低
作者: ratafan 時間: 22-5-6 12:08
Yuacc 發表於 22-5-6 08:06
本帖最後由 Yuacc 於 22-5-6 08:14 編輯
係呀, debate team 係好強
Gsis doesn’t offer double science at all. So everyone is taking triple science (meaning 3 separate grades for physics , chemistry and Biology).
作者: ratafan 時間: 22-5-6 12:10
Yuacc 發表於 22-5-6 08:06
本帖最後由 Yuacc 於 22-5-6 08:14 編輯
係呀, debate team 係好強
The gcse Chinese exam in year 10 was a joke. They only offer Chinese B. My another child at ESF would not allow kids at higher set to take IGCSE Chinese B exam at all. So my another child at ESF didn’t take Chinese IGCSE. They took IB in year 13 instead
作者: mattmm 時間: 22-5-6 12:21
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What is the level of Chinese taught in GSIS secondary? I heard that there are [5] levels, and some of the highest level students (usually transferred form top local schools) could achieve Chinese A?
作者: ratafan 時間: 22-5-6 12:55
mattmm 發表於 22-5-6 12:21
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What is the level of Chinese taught in GSIS secondary? I heard that there are ...
Before my son graduated 3 years ago, no Chinese A gcse or IB was offered
作者: ratafan 時間: 22-5-6 13:26
mattmm 發表於 22-5-6 12:21
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What is the level of Chinese taught in GSIS secondary? I heard that there are ...
Let me clarify a bit, they do offer higher level Chinese prior to gcse and IB. And I felt the syllabus was quite demanding as well for the highest set when compared to local school. They used materials from mainland. Very focused on pinyin and usages of some expressions instead of writing.
Starting Year 10, the syllabus are all sticking to gcse/IB and hence not as hard as before
作者: 964000 時間: 22-5-6 14:08
ratafan 發表於 22-5-6 13:26
Let me clarify a bit, they do offer higher level Chinese prior to gcse and IB. And I felt the sylla ...
本帖最後由 964000 於 22-5-6 14:22 編輯
From the seniors that I heard, Y7-9 Chinese highest stream (mainly LS) is intense and got loads of homework. Even the second stream(mainly IS primary and some LS) got quite some homework too, it’s great it will be eased off at Y10, that fits our expectation for Chinese learning.
作者: honeybunny8 時間: 22-5-6 16:00
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Please check PM. Hope it helps :)
作者: 小加子 時間: 22-5-6 16:13
ratafan 發表於 22-5-6 12:10
The gcse Chinese exam in year 10 was a joke. They only offer Chinese B. My another child at ESF wou ...
Did your child at ESF sit for IB Chinese A and it was common path for those in the advanced Chinese class? Do you think that the school provided adequate teaching and support for students who sat for Chinese A?
作者: Yuacc 時間: 22-5-6 16:15
ratafan 發表於 22-5-6 12:08
Gsis doesn’t offer double science at all. So everyone is taking triple science (meaning 3 separate ...
本帖最後由 Yuacc 於 22-5-6 16:18 編輯
不是呀, 有學生只揀chem and biology, 沒有take physics
作者: Yuacc 時間: 22-5-6 16:44
ratafan 發表於 22-5-6 12:10
The gcse Chinese exam in year 10 was a joke. They only offer Chinese B. My another child at ESF wou ...
I don't think it is a joke. After the Y10 students took IGCSE Chinese lang B exam , the teacher will teach higher level things to prepare for Chinese subject of IBDP.
You may appreciate that Language learning in IB.org requires only 1 language A . It is the intention of the curriculum organiser to allow students to choose their Lang A and Lang B
作者: 964000 時間: 22-5-6 16:57
Yuacc 發表於 22-5-6 16:44
I don't think it is a joke. After the Y10 students took IGCSE Chinese lang B exam , the teacher wil ...
May I ask what proportion of them will take IBDP Chi vs German?
作者: honeybunny8 時間: 22-5-6 17:01
本帖最後由 honeybunny8 於 22-5-6 17:03 編輯
Well... when I started this thread, I didn't expect it to turn into another "SPCC vs. DBS"-style debate, because this is supposed to be the IS forum, which is for people who respect and value diversity... what a "surprise"! 
Jokes aside, I feel that many of the responses stemmed from having different vantage points and/or misreading my statements. But, the incremental insider knowledge offered as a result of the "debate" could definitely benefit others coming to EK to research about GSIS and HKIS.
With the same consideration, I may as well clarify my points to offer different opinions:
First, from the get go, I caveated my opinions as being from the standpoint of an American family. After hearing from different sources, the culture at GSIS would not be the best fit for us. HKIS offers an American education and provides the opportunities and resources to support their students' development in areas that are particularly aligned with what US colleges look for in their candidates, so it would be a more straight-forward pathway for those of us who have our sights on US colleges and nothing else. However, for those who would like to keep other options open, or those who know that they won't choose US colleges, then GSIS with IGCSE and IB would make more sense.
Secondly, I specifically said that I was comparing "工程系 vs. 商科", not "理科 vs. 文科". When I saw the response said "文科也強，IB 40幾分，頂尖名校法律系學生一地都係", I immediately know that the person is referring to the UK/HK system. In US, law (and medicine) are graduate studies, i.e. people have to first get their bachelor degree before getting into these schools. And US colleges do not only look at the students' test scores. When we interview candidates, we look for well-rounded development, passion in the chosen field, other interests (sports/art/music), contribution to society... the list is long. That's why I got to assess the students from different IS/LS regarding their research / internship experiences. I am from both 工程系 vs. 商科 but I usually interview 工程系 applicants. Actually, "GSIS 升學 Office 會 focus支援多人選擇嘅學科" was a comment from a GSIS student I interviewed. Another student in another year said because she was the only one in her year pursuing that particular field, the school did not provide support / guidance. Well these students could be lying to cover for their own lack of effort... but that gave me reservation, because what if our kids want to pursue something other than "頂尖名校法律系".
作者: Yuacc 時間: 22-5-6 17:11
964000 發表於 22-5-6 16:57
May I ask what proportion of them will take IBDP Chi vs German?
I doubt this data will be available.
The data I got was originated from a survey organised by a student in Y10.
作者: ratafan 時間: 22-5-6 17:15
小加子 發表於 22-5-6 16:13
Did your child at ESF sit for IB Chinese A and it was common path for those in the advanced Chinese ...
Yes most highest set students must sit for Chinese A IB exam (standard level ) which is SUPER hard. Unfortunately (or luckily) my son wasn’t good enough in end of Year 11 exam and the teacher asked him to go for Chinese B instead (emoji)(emoji)
作者: ratafan 時間: 22-5-6 17:21
Yuacc 發表於 22-5-6 16:15
本帖最後由 Yuacc 於 22-5-6 16:18 編輯
不是呀, 有學生只揀chem and biology, 沒有take physics
Oh sorry for not articulating clear enough . If students opt for all 3 subjects, in ESF they can allow you to take double science. Meaning 3 subjects but be awarded 2 bundled grades only. But in ESF, all 3 subjects are like bundled and students hv to take all. But those who do better would be asked to go for triple science route ( be awarded 3 separate grades) and those mediocre or average students would be streamed to double science route. In Gsis, there is no such option. If you go to physics + chem, they are awarded 2 separate grades (single science) And the scope for these 2 different options are of course different. Single science is more in-depth and difficult.
作者: honeybunny8 時間: 22-5-6 17:21
本帖最後由 honeybunny8 於 22-5-6 17:29 編輯
Thirdly, I said my GSIS alum friends "擔心小學嘅中文課程比較（其他 IS）弱", hence I was only referring to primary schools. Since nearly half of GSIS secondary school students are from LS and other schools such as St. Stephen's and SIS, no doubt GSIS can afford to offer more rigorous Chinese curriculum in secondary. The consideration is not the same as my child is entering the primary school.
At last, like the "SPCC vs. DBS" debates, it is often not the case that one school is absolutely best of the best. You don't see current parents respond to those threads, arguing that their schools are better than the other one. As we know when the schools are in the same echelon, the choice should be made based on fit instead of test scores. On another thread, a parent even offered a list of non-Ivies whose graduates are most hired by the Silicon Valley tech giants. Knowing one's goals, and having looked at and considered everything relevant, including the software and the hardware (at primary school stage, the facilities and classroom set-up say a lot about the school's priorities), and then chooses the school that aligns better. It's that simple for us.
作者: ratafan 時間: 22-5-6 17:23
Yuacc 發表於 22-5-6 16:44
I don't think it is a joke. After the Y10 students took IGCSE Chinese lang B exam , the teacher wil ...
I was saying the IGCSE Lang B was too easy and is really more for complete non Chinese speaking students (meaning those without any Chinese origins). That’s why ESF actually won’t allow set A students to take IGCSE Chinese B.
作者: ratafan 時間: 22-5-6 17:24
Yuacc 發表於 22-5-6 16:44
I don't think it is a joke. After the Y10 students took IGCSE Chinese lang B exam , the teacher wil ...
You can take 2 x Lang A subjects , which means you get a bilingual diploma.
作者: ratafan 時間: 22-5-6 17:32
honeybunny8 發表於 22-5-6 17:01
Well... when I started this thread, I didn't expect it to turn into another "SPCC vs. DBS"-style deb ...
Yes I think hkis would be a good platform if your aim is going to America as most families are of American background and when the peers discuss amongst themselves, they hv more resources on different US colleges and not just focused on top ivies (which the acceptance rate is low single digits ). I believe most of them are great kids but I think we need to be realistic too. Many non ivies schools are great too. And hkis is a much bigger school. So they are very different schools indeed
作者: 964000 時間: 22-5-6 17:59
honeybunny8 發表於 22-5-6 17:01
Well... when I started this thread, I didn't expect it to turn into another "SPCC vs. DBS"-style deb ...
I think you have made the best choice for your kid already, no worry.
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 22-5-6 20:02
在絕大部份真IS 中，學生中文勁的，多半靠的是學生自己，或家庭。
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 22-5-6 20:03
ratafan 發表於 22-5-6 17:24
You can take 2 x Lang A subjects , which means you get a bilingual diploma.
But a bilingual diploma doesn‘t have a university admission advantage
作者: Yuacc 時間: 22-5-6 20:08
ratafan 發表於 22-5-6 17:21
Oh sorry for not articulating clear enough . If students opt for all 3 subjects, in ESF they can al ...
本帖最後由 Yuacc 於 22-5-6 20:22 編輯
Well noted. Thanks for the clarification
I have same understanding regarding the billingual diploma requirement as you do, but I doubt on the use of it.
Managing 3 cores and 6 subjects in IBDP are demanding. Thus, I consider taking 2 Lang A subjects is "destructive" rather than constructive . 純粹個人意見
作者: ratafan 時間: 22-5-6 20:33
Yuacc 發表於 22-5-6 20:08
本帖最後由 Yuacc 於 22-5-6 20:22 編輯
Well noted. Thanks for the clarification
Absolutely from the practicality perspective, the stress outweighs benefits brought by bilingual diploma. But it might be of an advantage in future job . That said, as an employer, I never really referred to such info when I screened candidates. However, if you are pursuing a professional degree like medicine/physio or law or accountancy and plan to practise your professions in countries that require fluency in both Chinese and English , perhaps a bilingual diploma helps.
作者: Yuacc 時間: 22-5-6 20:42
ratafan 發表於 22-5-6 20:33
Absolutely from the practicality perspective, the stress outweighs benefits brought by bilingual d ...
Understand your point. It may be the current situation, but in view of the improvement and introduction of AI , I guess the use of billingual diploma will become insignificant
作者: ratafan 時間: 22-5-6 20:46
Yuacc 發表於 22-5-6 20:42
Understand your point. It may be the current situation, but in view of the improvement and introduc ...
I am not a linguist. But I guess people who are truly bilingual would possess the ability to think and speak in both languages. Anyway, it would be really tough and I saw the materials of Chinese A for IB, I guess it is on par with, if not more difficult than, local DSE standard.
作者: annie40 時間: 22-5-6 22:20
魚與熊掌，難以兼得。先為孩子找間合適的學校，其他的隨緣吧，多想不等同多得。
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 22-5-7 01:29
honeybunny8 發表於 22-5-6 17:01
Well... when I started this thread, I didn't expect it to turn into another "SPCC vs. DBS"-style deb ...
You probably took comments from a slightly different angle. There wasn’t any “debate” or “persuasion” as far as I can tell, judging from the vibe of the discussions. Information and opinions were given from parent’s point of view. A particular parent’s choice of any particular school has no bearing on me.
I fully agree with you, if your family clearly prefer US colleges, it is better to go for a specialist US high school in HK. This outweighs any perceived differences between HKIS and GSIS in terms of the quality of education.
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 22-5-7 01:37
ratafan 發表於 22-5-6 20:33
Absolutely from the practicality perspective, the stress outweighs benefits brought by bilingual d ...
Given limited time, if it is a choose between 10/10 English and a 7/10 Chinese vs 8.5/10 in both English and Chinese, what would you choose?
Regardless of parents’ wishes, we never know where our kids will end up working.
I would probably focus on getting offers from the best unis.
作者: 964000 時間: 22-5-7 07:28
shadeslayer 發表於 22-5-6 20:02
在絕大部份真IS 中，學生中文勁的，多半靠的是學生自己，或家庭。
本帖最後由 964000 於 22-5-7 08:09 編輯
It’s mainly the bilingual schools ( ISF, YCIS, CKY) that got higher proportion of chi A and >70% bilingual dip. They have been learning chi as first Lang since young.
Even for IS with so called better chi ( CIS, Vic, CDNIS) , only 20-30%+ do bilingual dip(Chi A), I think they are mainly local school transferrees, or IS students with mainland background.
作者: 964000 時間: 22-5-7 08:00
ratafan 發表於 22-5-6 17:15
Yes most highest set students must sit for Chinese A IB exam (standard level ) which is SUPER hard. ...
Unlike typical local parents who thrive for higher grades as the only priority, IS grown up kids think quite differently. Once a secondary student was asked if they can “downgrade” Chinese stream by own request, she told me “what’s the point to take the easier stream, you just learn nothing and will be wasting your time. If teacher thinks you are capable then you can do it if you work on it!”
Perhaps it will become a different story when it comes to the public exam. Nevertheless I really admire her attitude and time has proven that she has become very successful in her study. I believe it’s their attitudes that bring them the goods results rather than just tutorials and drillings.
作者: ratafan 時間: 22-5-7 08:19
964000 發表於 22-5-7 08:00
Unlike typical local parents who thrive for higher grades as the only priority, IS grown up kids th ...
Agreed. I think many kids in IS don’t only focus on grades or results. They really enjoy the process and if teachers believe they can do it, they really want to go for it. This mindset would really make them succeed. Success is not only dictated by which university you go or what IB results you get. It’s the quality of a person. Of coz sometimes one has to be smart enough to measure the costs and benefits behind the decisions and make a choice. But I think the schools would not guide the children to be too opportunistic. They tend to help them push themselves and develop to be ethical adults.
作者: ratafan 時間: 22-5-7 08:23
shadeslayer 發表於 22-5-7 01:29
You probably took comments from a slightly different angle. There wasn’t any “debate” or “pers ...
本帖最後由 ratafan 於 22-5-7 08:24 編輯
Agreed that I don’t feel any debate here on which school is better. Ultimately it’s better fit that matters. It’s glad that parents from different background or schools are giving some opinions and share views that might benefit any other new parents who are still making choices. Thanks for HoneyBunny8 first starting this topic so that we could chat here and share our experiences. I think all of us are genuine and sincere 
作者: ratafan 時間: 22-5-7 08:27
964000 發表於 22-5-7 07:28
本帖最後由 964000 於 22-5-7 08:09 編輯
It’s mainly the bilingual schools ( ISF, YCIS, CKY) that ...
Correct . Many of those taking Lang A in ESF are of Taiwanese or Mainland origins whose home languages are Chinese. They hv really strong foundation and I really admire their bilingual ability. They can think and write and speak in both languages. Meaning when you speak Chinese, you are thinking in Chinese and same for English.
作者: ratafan 時間: 22-5-7 08:29 標題: 回覆樓主：
本帖最後由 ratafan 於 22-5-7 08:29 編輯
I learn that in HKIS and CIS, amongst the Asians there, mainlanders account for a big proportion too and hence their Chinese programmes are very good.
作者: ratafan 時間: 22-5-7 08:43 標題: 回覆樓主：
本帖最後由 ratafan 於 22-5-7 08:44 編輯
Talking about higher education support by schools. As a parent with experiences of having 2 children going through the process, I think not that many schools offer really sufficient support. It really needs to start with families. The hk IS only provides support in terms of offering university (selected ones) fairs, guiding you through the application requirements , providing you with necessary documentations like transcripts and recommendation letters, some workshops (limited) on essay writing. That all came in their Junior year of high school (year 12). But by beginning of year 13, they need to nail things down already. So I think a big part is missing. If a child has been living in HK for all his or her life, how would he or she know which uni or place to pick to study outside of hk? I think parents have to spend some resources bringing them to those countries and visit the schools and feel the vibe when they are at say year 9 or 10. I heard that kids in US would visit the universities and different counties/states since they were 12/13. Take my children as an example, if they have never been to west coast, how would they be able to feel if UC or somewhere in mid west or east coast suit them when designing the school list?
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 22-5-7 08:46
964000 發表於 22-5-7 08:00
Unlike typical local parents who thrive for higher grades as the only priority, IS grown up kids th ...
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 22-5-7 09:03 編輯
I also admire the fact that many of my child’s classmates didn’t see themselves as competitors in exams, they always think win-win and help each other to become better.And because of this many of them are very good friends after high school.
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 22-5-7 08:59
ratafan 發表於 22-5-7 08:29
I learn that in HKIS and CIS, amongst the Asians there, mainlanders account for a big proportion too ...
That is my point. Typically an IS having good Chinese is one which attracts students with good Chinese. If a gweilo family send their kid to an IS with good Chinese without any Chinese environment at home, I don’t think the child would develop good Chinese at school.
作者: 964000 時間: 22-5-7 09:16
ratafan 發表於 22-5-7 08:29
I learn that in HKIS and CIS, amongst the Asians there, mainlanders account for a big proportion too ...
This is expected since IS Chinese program is taught in mandarin, even for local schools, it’s found that teaching Chinese in mother tongue (for us Cantonese) is more efficient. So mainlander definitely got advantage with the PTH Chinese program in iS as they are speaking and listening to the language at home, not to mention they will probably get more exposure to chi culture and do more visits to mainland etc.
Nevertheless, I am still glad of learning Chinese in mandarin here, we don’t have the burden of getting good grades. My child’s mandarin speaking is already better than me, and her accent is definitely better than my husband who used to study in a mandarin speaking local school LOL.
作者: ratafan 時間: 22-5-7 09:21
shadeslayer 發表於 22-5-7 08:46
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 22-5-7 09:03 編輯
I also admire the fact that many of my child’s clas ...
本帖最後由 ratafan 於 22-5-7 09:22 編輯
I think this happens to all kids and to me though. Lol
作者: 964000 時間: 22-5-7 09:21
Btw 而家離哂題hope the host won’t mind, but I am glad to see senior parents sharing their experiences here.
作者: 小加子 時間: 22-5-7 16:39
ratafan 發表於 22-5-6 17:15
Yes most highest set students must sit for Chinese A IB exam (standard level ) which is SUPER hard. ...
Just out of curiosity, what made you decide to send your kids to two different schools? Did you find major differences in curriculum and overall learning atmosphere between the two schools?
作者: barque 時間: 22-5-7 18:13 標題: 回覆樓主：
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作者: ratafan 時間: 22-5-7 20:43
小加子 發表於 22-5-7 16:39
Just out of curiosity, what made you decide to send your kids to two different schools? Did you fi ...
本帖最後由 ratafan 於 22-5-7 22:54 編輯
It’s all fate and luck and fit. The two schools are very different. Cannot compare apples to oranges. But the education systems are similar. And my younger one lost 3 years of quality education with pandemic and social unrest. It was indeed frustrating. Yeah, so cannot really compare.
作者: honeybunny8 時間: 22-5-16 17:51
回覆 shadeslayer 的帖子
Agreed. I came here to learn more about the experience at GSIS primary school. But in the end, I fell back on my personal experience and assessed the "end products" of the two schools, meaning their graduates with whom I studied in college and grad school, those with whom I worked, and those I interviewed for school admission, and I couldn't find a noticeable difference nor a pattern. All I could find is that the two schools provide somewhat different environments to suit different students/families' needs, but in terms of academic results it would only depend on the students' own efforts. Hence any perceived quality of education or scores or statistics did not weigh heavily in my decision because it could be misleading. I was looking for more of the whole package.
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