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作者: mky456 時間: 19-10-10 17:36 標題: GSCE and A level vs IB
女兒今年4歲，下年小學打算轉國際學校，請問哪個學制較容易經non jups在香港讀大學？
謝謝
作者: poonseelai 時間: 19-10-10 18:29 標題: 回覆樓主:
dse 入本地大學机会最高
作者: Jane1983 時間: 19-10-10 18:38 標題: 回覆樓主:
你女咁細，到時non jupas係咩環境真係好難講。
純以入本地大學計，dse係最簡單直接的方法。坊間鷄精書和補習亦成行成市，又平又多。
作者: mky456 時間: 19-10-10 18:52
我明白DSE 係收最多，但我想轉佢讀國際學校係還佢一個快樂童年
作者: cclee0129 時間: 19-10-10 19:01
應該是alevel經non jupas的入學要求比較高
作者: Radiomama 時間: 19-10-10 19:01
mky456 發表於 19-10-10 17:36 
女兒今年4歲，下年小學打算轉國際學校，請問哪個學制較容易經non jups在香港讀大學？
謝謝
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GCSE等於會考啫，入大學係睇GCE=A level；你想比較的應是A level 跟IBDP
你女兒還細，先揀咗合心水的國際學校，再慢慢觀察適合讀邊一種。入了國際學校後，到中學階段轉校或到英國留學都不難。
作者: Moonlight819 時間: 19-10-10 19:17
mky456 發表於 19-10-10 17:36
女兒今年4歲，下年小學打算轉國際學校，請問哪個學制較容易經non jups在香港讀大學？
謝謝
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說實在的，讀得國際學校不是預小朋友將來外國升學嗎？
作者: yaijing 時間: 19-10-10 19:58
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作者: yaijing 時間: 19-10-10 21:12
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作者: poonseelai 時間: 19-10-10 21:17 標題: 回覆樓主：
本帖最後由 poonseelai 於 19-10-10 21:23 編輯
本帖最後由 poonseelai 於 19-10-10 21:22 編輯
本地大學收生主要看分數，考得高分什麼制度都收，近年多了人考ib, non jupas 收生比例上收ib生都多咗，ib and a level 制度唔同，蘋果同橙，怎比？
作者: poonseelai 時間: 19-10-10 21:20
yaijing 發表於 19-10-10 21:12
有無數據可以睇到點解 DSE 較易入？ 因為我一直認為ib較易
本地資助大學學位約8成比dse生，non jupas local約2成
作者: yaijing 時間: 19-10-10 21:30
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作者: poonseelai 時間: 19-10-10 23:34
yaijing 發表於 19-10-10 21:30
的確係，但 IB 同全球 IB 考生拉Curve。而香港 IB考生分數都比其他國家高。只要考到 30分入八大 (偏門科) ...
這個可能要假設non jupas 收生不会減少，ib考生会大增，近年收ib生分數要求已上升，怎去估十幾年後情況
作者: poonseelai 時間: 19-10-11 07:36
yaijing 發表於 19-10-10 21:30
的確係，但 IB 同全球 IB 考生拉Curve。而香港 IB考生分數都比其他國家高。只要考到 30分入八大 (偏門科) ...
ib拉curve? 那裡看到？
作者: yaijing 時間: 19-10-11 09:15
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作者: poonseelai 時間: 19-10-11 09:31
yaijing 發表於 19-10-11 09:15
goggle research 一下會有答案。
如你有資料可分享一下，我未聽聞過
作者: 993rs 時間: 19-10-11 10:03
poonseelai 發表於 19-10-11 09:31
如你有資料可分享一下，我未聽聞過
https://www.ibo.org/contentassets/4d92e48d38a4415a87e11555e143a39f/assessment-guide-for-students-and-parents-guardians-en.pdf
page 3.
Why does the number of marks required for a grade sometimes change? How are grade boundaries set?
As grades depend on how difficult the task was as well as how many marks were achieved, the IB is able to move the grade boundaries down if an exam is very difficult or move them up if it is very easy. The IB works hard to make all exams comparable between years, so such changes are usually small.
作者: poonseelai 時間: 19-10-11 10:14
本帖最後由 poonseelai 於 19-10-11 10:30 編輯
thanks, but adjusting grade boundary does not mean "拉curve"
Let's use DSE as an example:
Standards-referenced reporting is adopted to report candidates' assessment/results. What this means is that for a given subject, candidates' levels of performance are reported with reference to a set of explicit and fixed standards of performance.
Determine 5, 5*, 5**: The cut scores for Level 5** and Level 5* will be set with reference to thepercentage in mark distribution so that Level 5** will be awarded to the highestachieving 10% (approximately) of Level 5 candidates and Level 5* will be awardedto the next highest-achieving 30% (approximately) of Level 5 candidates. (my understanding of "拉curve").
http://www.hkeaa.edu.hk/DocLibrary/Media/Leaflets/HKDSE_SRR_A4_Booklet_Jun2011.pdf
As far as I understand, IB only uses standards-referenced reporting. Happy to hear from others if this is not correct.
作者: annie133 時間: 19-10-11 13:52
mky456 發表於 19-10-10 17:36
女兒今年4歲，下年小學打算轉國際學校，請問哪個學制較容易經non jups在香港讀大學？
謝謝
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你應該問女兒喜歡那個制度，喜歡自然考得好，考得好便容易入
作者: Spiderphant 時間: 19-10-16 01:27
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請教可以怎樣解釋俾10歲小朋友聽IB同A-Level嘅分別? IB始終感覺比較有彈性自主而主題也會比較有趣，我覺得小朋友好難會懂得分辨兩者嘅優劣，而從小朋友角度好難唔揀IB😌
作者: yaijing 時間: 19-10-16 10:12
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作者: 993rs 時間: 19-10-16 11:00
poonseelai 發表於 19-10-11 10:14
thanks, but adjusting grade boundary does not mean "拉curve"
Let's use DSE as an example:
perhaps there are different understandings with 拉 curve?
by adjusting the grade boundary, the IB score does not reflect the absolute marks. to some, including myself, it is a kind of 拉curve, though the 拉curvings in the 2 systems serve for very different purposes.
作者: OLAF1023 時間: 19-10-16 18:48
yaijing 發表於 19-10-16 10:12
我反而想知 AP 會否比 IB 易讀？
如有，請留一留言吖，唔該晒！
我上網搵過少少資料，話IB要寫成4000字ESSAY，但AP就考MC，聽落好似易好多咁，因為唔識都有得撞！但之後又好似要考個SAT！
我囡囡就覺得好吸引！
如有錯誤請更正。
我都正煩梗呢樣嘢，因為囡囡啱啱轉咗入IS，想轉另一間，依家讀梗嘅係AP，如果要轉就要諗埋IB定點好！
作者: yaijing 時間: 19-10-16 19:34
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作者: shadeslayer 時間: 19-10-16 22:39
All kinds of students could thrive in good international education. Only a small number of students could study comfortably in a local curriculum.
Unfortunately you have to figure out what education is the kind that you admire and would like your loved ones to learn in.
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 19-10-16 22:42
yaijing 發表於 19-10-16 10:12
我反而想知 AP 會否比 IB 易讀？
Which one is easier is the wrong question to ask.
Focus on finding the “best” curriculum for the target universities.
作者: poonseelai 時間: 19-10-17 07:04
OLAF1023 發表於 19-10-16 18:48
我都好想知！有冇家長有經驗可交流一下？
如有，請留一留言吖，唔該晒！
我上網搵過少少資料，話IB要寫成40 ...
本帖最後由 poonseelai 於 19-10-17 07:09 編輯
ib 生一般寫4,000字唔難，那份係extended essay, 是ib diploma core 一部分, 學生自己選喜愛題目去寫，過程会跟老師討論，見過一些題材真係好精彩。
考SAT(或者ACT) 係為申請美國大學，無論什麼學制都要考，近年有少數大學exempt。英國和香港的大學主要看成績，申請美國大學会考慮學業成績以外因素，要求不同。你孩子已有目標？
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 19-10-17 08:58
OLAF1023 發表於 19-10-16 18:48
我都好想知！有冇家長有經驗可交流一下？
如有，請留一留言吖，唔該晒！
我上網搵過少少資料，話IB要寫成40 ...
每一間中上的大學，也對收 DSE, AP, IB, A-level 學生有經驗，我想信無截徑。無所謂著數。
作者: Spiderphant 時間: 19-10-17 22:03
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我小朋友小五，未有目標大學或學科，最大機會是留港大學，但一心中學轉IS主要因更認同IS更有效在語言溝通分析思考及全人發展。 同意學制冇分易難，我覺得讀得好就入番同層次的大學吧。所以亦同意選擇應以適合小朋友為依歸.
但就是對不同學制只有表面如制度及要求上的了解，請問：
1）本地 及英美澳大學有沒有對任何學制是不接受或有大限制/額外要求須留意嗎？
2）可否幫忙建議不同學制(IB / A level / AP) 適合或不適合什麼種類性格長處短處嘅小朋友?
作者: poonseelai 時間: 19-10-18 09:23
Spiderphant 發表於 19-10-17 22:03
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我小朋友小五，未有目標大學或學科，最大機會是留港大學，但一心中學轉IS主要因 ...
For your reference, quite a lot of "others" admitted via non jupas local
作者: Spiderphant 時間: 19-10-18 10:16
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It is very useful. Many thanks indeed.
作者: poonseelai 時間: 19-10-18 13:21
Spiderphant 發表於 19-10-18 10:16
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It is very useful. Many thanks indeed.
唔洗客氣。其實學校係一個小社區，各種性格學生都有，我孩子自少ib school, 性格文静少言，每次見老師都話希望佢主動講多D，好難期望一個 introvert 会大改變，但少言課的孩子一樣享受ib 學習課程, 要做oral presentation 一樣可做得好好，只要比時間他們準備。如孩子在課堂多發言多發問當然最好，老師可了解他們是否明白內容等，並可和同學分享同ideas。
作者: OLAF1023 時間: 19-10-18 14:58
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poonseelai 發表於 19-10-17 07:04
本帖最後由 poonseelai 於 19-10-17 07:09 編輯
ib 生一般寫4,000字唔難，那份係extended essay, 是ib ...
哦，明白了！謝謝！我囡囡依家G6，我睇佢目標都仲未好CONFIRM！
近來問佢就同我講想向ARTS方面發展，但之前就同我講想做pharmacist！
未決定將來會留港定外國升大學，等佢大啲再決定！
聽日會帶佢去SCAD DAY都睇下！
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 19-10-18 16:39
Spiderphant 發表於 19-10-17 22:03
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我小朋友小五，未有目標大學或學科，最大機會是留港大學，但一心中學轉IS主要因 ...
先進國家如英國，美國，他們收國際生有大量經驗，所有主流學制， AP, A-Level， IB，也沒有什麼值得擔心的限制。入讀香港的大學，當然DSE比較機會多，因為收太多 Non Jupas 生香港的大學有壓力。
IB要求學生綜合能力，讀寫能力較高。A-level 較專，為了一些專業大學課程，中學讀A level 專攻某幾科應該好啲。
作者: Spiderphant 時間: 19-10-18 21:11
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Thanks again.
I understand more now after reading all your good sharing and information.
May I also ask why majority of IB DP study IGCSE instead of IBMP?
I am thinking it looks good to study IGCSE first and decide later whether to proceed to IBDP or A-Level when my child has clearer preference.
In case I choose a A-level school now, will it be hard to change from an A-level school to an IB school later on? Thanks
作者: poonseelai 時間: 19-10-19 10:56
Spiderphant 發表於 19-10-18 21:11
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Thanks again.
ib myp成本会高D，亦受到ibo監察，而GCSE係公開試，一個認可資歷。無論myp 上 dp, 或 GCSE 上dp, 亦各有強弱處。
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 19-10-19 13:23
Spiderphant 發表於 19-10-18 21:11
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Thanks again.
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 19-10-19 13:27 編輯
The reasons why in HK many international schools run IGCSE then IBDP are, I suspect:
1. International students are more likely to change schools at different points in their parents careers, and having a IGCSE certificate gives students wider choices in schools in different countries.
2. IGCSE is an open exam many students from many countries compete. Students have a chance before the big A-level or IBDP to see how they compare with everyone else outside the school. Students better understand their particular way to handle open exams, find their own weaknesses and adjust in the final big A-level or IBDP. Affording an opportunity for students to fine tune their most effective study mode, academic weakness and strong points. Part of students self-discovery journey.
In regards to IGCSE transition into IBDP, many schools have proved that the transition is not necessarily a problem.But it takes a good school, a good IB team to make transition smooth.
作者: 細佬Bebe 時間: 19-10-19 23:20
yaijing 發表於 19-10-16 10:12
我反而想知 AP 會否比 IB 易讀？
我睇緊而家書局賣緊個本國際學校書
話AP既深度係最高 即最難
作者: dem0cracy 時間: 19-10-21 16:12
細佬Bebe 發表於 19-10-19 23:20
我睇緊而家書局賣緊個本國際學校書
話AP既深度係最高 即最難
嚴格嚟講，AP並唔係預科課程或大學入學試，而係大學一年級課程，原意係俾有能力嘅高中生修讀，入到大學後可用AP成績來申請豁免部份學分。所以純論syllabus程度的話，AP高啲都合理。
作者: v369234 時間: 19-10-21 18:37
從前得其他家長指導...分享一些重點...
AP 有分 AP (HKIS) 同 AP <Alberta> (CAIS)...非常依賴學校支援...香港補習都唔容易
IB 也需要學校較大支援，雖然要求多但參考書也不少...不同國家都有一定認受性....相信呢個亦係CAIS申請IB既原因...
作者: OLAF1023 時間: 19-10-22 22:08
v369234 發表於 19-10-21 18:37
從前得其他家長指導...分享一些重點...
AP 有分 AP (HKIS) 同 AP (CAIS)...非常依賴學校支援...香港補習都 ...
AP <Alberta> ？
作者: v369234 時間: 19-10-22 23:31
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ICS 唔清楚...相信係AP (HKIS)...CAIS 在申請IB當中..將來話2樣都有...
作者: heebo 時間: 19-10-23 00:07
v369234 發表於 19-10-21 18:37
從前得其他家長指導...分享一些重點...
AP 有分 AP (HKIS) 同 AP (CAIS)...非常依賴學校支援...香港補習都 ...
作者: v369234 時間: 19-10-23 02:15
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查下ap vs ap abertla...我都係其他家長話比我知佢哋唔係同一樣...呢個先係重點...
作者: heebo 時間: 19-10-23 22:19
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查下ap vs ap abertla...我都係其他家長話比我知佢哋唔係同一樣...呢個先係重點... ...
根據CAIS網站資料，學校提供AP科目給G11&12班學生選讀，另外G12學生亦可選讀一年制AP International Diploma 課程，合格便多一個APID的qualifications。Alberta省的學校也有提供APID課程，我相信是這個原因令人以為有一種課程叫AP（Alberta）。
其實AP是美國CollegeBoard辦的考試。
如我理解錯了，請CAIS家長指正。
作者: ratafan 時間: 19-10-23 23:15
IB 不難升三大
作者: ratafan 時間: 19-10-23 23:17
yaijing 發表於 19-10-10 21:12
有無數據可以睇到點解 DSE 較易入？ 因為我一直認為ib較易
同意，視乎什麼學科，如果不是超級神科（ medic and Law), IB 易啲
作者: ratafan 時間: 19-10-23 23:19
IB 是最flexible , 港英加澳都ok, 去美國要考多個SAT or ACT.
作者: heebo 時間: 19-10-23 23:36
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OLAF1023 發表於 19-10-16 18:48
我都好想知！有冇家長有經驗可交流一下？
如有，請留一留言吖，唔該晒！
我上網搵過少少資料，話IB要寫成40 ...
其實AP不只考MC， 亦有short answers 和 free response questions （document-based and long essay），以US History 為例，MC 只佔總分40%，short answers 和FRQ 共佔60%。
美制的好處是除了必修科外，學生可以按自己的興趣和能力選科，有興趣或希望more challenging的科目才選AP，選讀AP的話，在五月考公開試後便完成。如果考到3以上（最高5）有機會取得大學第一年該科的學分（豁免），尤其是美加的大學。AP 等同大學第一年程度，所以並不容易。本地大學，例如USTHK要求三科AP 3或以上的成績為最低入學要求。
AP International Diploma 要求最少五科考3以上，五科須來自不同content area，例如 English & World languages, Global perspectives, Math and science, History and social sciences。
另亦可選AP Capstone Diploma ，要求四科AP考3以上，並必須修讀AP Seminar 和 AP Research, 做group project, presentation, 寫四五千字論文。HKIS，ICS 和 AISHK 有offer Capstone Dip. 課程。
作者: v369234 時間: 19-10-24 15:59
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親子王 492 期 有cais 幼小及學制介紹可以睇下..2021 推出IB DP 課程...
https://topick.hket.com/article/1408527/%E4%BA%9E%E4%BC%AF%E9%81%94%E8%AA%B2%E7%A8%8B%20%E8%88%87IB%E6%9C%89%E4%BD%95%E5%88%86%E5%88%A5%EF%BC%9F
作者: OLAF1023 時間: 19-10-24 21:49
heebo 發表於 19-10-23 23:36
其實AP不只考MC， 亦有short answers 和 free response questions （document-based and long essay），以U ..
真係要諗吓趁佢依家G6，要轉快轉！
唉⋯⋯不過我又擔心IB仲唔適合我個女，佢本身學習又唔主動，鐘意嗰啲科咪主動囉！
睇過啲報導話IB唔係適合個個小朋友讀，好講求主動！
轉校真係驚累咗佢將來
作者: heebo 時間: 19-10-27 00:51
OLAF1023 發表於 19-10-24 21:49
很詳細，謝謝！聽到我覺得仲難讀過IB！
真係要諗吓趁佢依家G6，要轉快轉！
唉⋯⋯不過我又擔心IB仲唔適合我 ...
作者: OLAF1023 時間: 19-10-27 13:17
heebo 發表於 19-10-27 00:51
唔好客氣！美國嘅大學一般最低入學要求並沒有訂明AP的要求，但AP 的成績可以代表你能夠master該科目，讀幾 ...
AIS其實口碑好唔好？STUDENTS MIX方面？師資？學生學習態度？校內設施？
2間邊間好啲？
作者: heebo 時間: 19-10-27 15:14
OLAF1023 發表於 19-10-27 13:17
係academic方面，AIS好啲定ICS？啱啱望佢哋WEBSITE，都有好多升US大學
AIS其實口碑好唔好？STUDENTS MIX方 ...
作者: poonseelai 時間: 19-10-27 16:14
https://fridaymagazine.ae/life-c ... education-1.2304919
What students, and parents, need to know about an IB education
Sanjeev Verma Oct 21, 2019
International Baccalaureate is often considered the epitome of education
There is no single ‘right’ curriculum. It is ultimately an extremely personal choice, unique to every student
Q: My son is in the 10th grade and we have been told by friends to consider the IB system. Can you shed some light on it especially compared to the AP system?
To begin with, each curriculum, be it American, British, Indian or French, has its own merit and there is no single ‘right’ curriculum. It is an extremely personal choice, unique to every student based on a host of issues, and can be different even between siblings. A lot depends on what your future plans are – what and where you want to study.
[Students at the crossroads: arts or technology?]
The International Baccalaureate is often considered the epitome of education and the greatest highlight of the programme is its international recognition and acceptance. It has three levels targeted to different segments that not only focus on academic achievement, but also on personal achievements.
The Primary Years is geared towards the youngest age group, ages three through 12. The Middle Years is designed for children 11-16. It teaches students to create connections between their studies in school and the real world around them, educating them about the real world applications for what they’re learning.
The most popular of the three IB programmes is The Diploma, created for students 16-19, that works to further develop those who exemplify a depth, interest and thirst for knowledge. It is a rigorous holistic programme best suited for students who seek education to help them thrive not only mentally but also help with their physical, emotional and ethical wellbeing. IB is broad-based, holistic education and while being academically strong it goes beyond academia to include community service, research and extracurricular activities.
Individuals who participate in an IB programme tend to perform better than their peers as they are encouraged to have a natural curiosity and interest in learning, making them independently-driven youngsters. The IB offers students plenty of opportunities to participate in international educational programmes, facilitating admissions to top universities around the world.
Both IB and Advanced Placement courses look good to college admissions officers, as it shows one’s dedication to learning and excelling. Both may earn college credits, allow you to skip some intro courses, and even graduate early. But if a student is looking to apply to colleges other than the US the IB course has a definite advantage, as it is internationally recognised.
AP courses are also very singularly focused, while IB is a complete, rounded curriculum. It nurtures important skills including research, critical thinking, writing, and time management.
作者: OLAF1023 時間: 19-10-27 19:24
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heebo 發表於 19-10-27 15:14
Sorry I don't know AIS well enough to comment. You can find some factual data from its website, eg ...
Yes⋯⋯my daughter doesn't want to study Bible!
But we prefer AP rather than IB
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