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作者: tulip_bb 時間: 18-6-16 17:02 標題: 請問邊間IS中學上堂唔用電腦？

請問邊間IS中學上堂唔用電腦？Thanks！

作者: Radiomama 時間: 18-6-16 18:11

tulip_bb 發表於 18-6-16 17:02
請問邊間IS中學上堂唔用電腦？Thanks！

有可能嗎？

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 18-6-16 18:38

tulip_bb 發表於 18-6-16 17:02
請問邊間IS中學上堂唔用電腦？Thanks！

奇怪的問題。

作者: tulip_bb 時間: 18-6-16 18:44

shadeslayer 發表於 18-6-16 18:38
奇怪的問題。

you're so direct and impolite.

作者: tulip_bb 時間: 18-6-16 18:51 標題: 回覆樓主:

Its my first time to ask questions in this forum. And I didn't expect people could be so unfriendly, impolite and arrogant...

At least I heard at some IS the 1:1 computer programme has just been launched. Why people could be so confirmed that it's impossible.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 18-6-16 18:55

tulip_bb 發表於 18-6-16 18:44
you're so direct and impolite.

Direct, but not impolite.

作者: tulip_bb 時間: 18-6-16 18:58

shadeslayer 發表於 18-6-16 18:55
Direct, but not impolite.

Labelling other people's question strange is not impolite?
Or maybe you have a different definition of “being polite”.

作者: tulip_bb 時間: 18-6-16 18:59

shadeslayer 發表於 18-6-16 18:55
Direct, but not impolite.

OR EVEN RUDE TO SAY THAT......

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 18-6-16 19:19

tulip_bb 發表於 18-6-16 18:58
Labelling other people's question strange is not impolite?
Or maybe you have a different definitio ...

Labelling others question as strange is not impolite if the question is really “strange”. Or at least I genuinely felt that it was strange.

Don’t take it personal. I said the question was strange, not you.

Chill.

作者: tulip_bb 時間: 18-6-16 20:02

shadeslayer 發表於 18-6-16 19:19
Labelling others question as strange is not impolite if the question is really “strange”. Or at ...

Thanks for the clarification. Although I do think this explanation is not sincere and the answer is impolite and rude. The same information or feeling could be given in a nicer way.

Think about it and no need to make any excuse for it.

Showing respect to other people is the basic criteria for communication.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 18-6-16 20:07

tulip_bb 發表於 18-6-16 20:02
Thanks for the clarification. Although I do think this explanation is not sincere and the answer is ...

本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 18-6-16 21:05 編輯

First time to post here and you managed to dis the only two people who responded to you.

Very polite, humble, friendly and respectful.

Good luck.

作者: Charlie妹 時間: 18-6-16 21:12

tulip_bb 發表於 18-6-16 17:02
請問邊間IS中學上堂唔用電腦？Thanks！

我女只是yr1, 家課已經叫家長教她上網找資料和用keyboard打字寫句子，之後print
出嚟交功課～

作者: 964000 時間: 18-6-16 21:52

tulip_bb 發表於 18-6-16 17:02
請問邊間IS中學上堂唔用電腦？Thanks！

May I know why ? Isn’t it good to learn some computer technique ?

作者: tulip_bb 時間: 18-6-16 21:56

shadeslayer 發表於 18-6-16 20:07
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 18-6-16 21:05 編輯

First time to post here and you managed to dis the ...

I didn't manage to do anything.
This is a normal reaction to an impolite response (even not an answer).

Please don't twist anything.

作者: tulip_bb 時間: 18-6-16 21:59

Charlie妹發表於 18-6-16 21:12
我女只是yr1, 家課已經叫家長教她上網找資料和用keyboard打字寫句子，之後print
出嚟交功課～
...

Fully understand. Computer technology is everywhere now...

作者: tulip_bb 時間: 18-6-16 22:02

964000 發表於 18-6-16 21:52
May I know why ? Isn’t it good to learn some computer technique ?

Agree. Computer literacy is super important.
Just gaming time is now out of control because the students bring laptop to school...

作者: 964000 時間: 18-6-16 22:35

tulip_bb 發表於 18-6-16 22:02
Agree. Computer literacy is super important.
Just gaming time is now out of control because the stu ...

I heard even if they bring computer to school, gaming is not allowed, moreover games are not installed in the working computer.

作者: tulip_bb 時間: 18-6-16 22:38

964000 發表於 18-6-16 22:35
I heard even if they bring computer to school, gaming is not allowed, moreover games are not instal ...

That's really fantastic. But at my son's school, gaming is allowed at school. Sometimes when they finished the classwork, they are allowed to play games during the lessons...

作者: Radiomama 時間: 18-6-16 23:19

tulip_bb 發表於 18-6-16 22:38
That's really fantastic. But at my son's school, gaming is allowed at school. Sometimes when they f ...

電腦遊戲不是洪水猛獸，be mature, 大人也要學習。當然我也不想孩子玩太多，溝通協調、互相尊重理解，比一刀切好。
小兒也是中學生，也玩electronic games, 但不算沉迷。

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 18-6-17 01:01

tulip_bb 發表於 18-6-16 21:59
Fully understand. Computer technology is everywhere now...

You don't even understand what I am saying. And you don't want to know why people have that reaction.

I will leave you with your computer questions.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 18-6-17 01:04

Radiomama 發表於 18-6-16 23:19
電腦遊戲不是洪水猛獸，be mature, 大人也要學習。當然我也不想孩子玩太多，溝通協調、互相尊重理解，比一 ...

本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 18-6-17 01:04 編輯

I know almost all kids in my daughter's class play some form of computer games but most of them (in fact I have not heard of any one addicted) have self control and play it only as one of many things to have fun.

作者: 964000 時間: 18-6-17 06:18

shadeslayer 發表於 18-6-17 01:04
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 18-6-17 01:04 編輯

I know almost all kids in my daughter's class play ...

They can play in school and even in the classroom during lesson too?

作者: 964000 時間: 18-6-17 06:19 標題: 回覆樓主：

本帖最後由 964000 於 19-5-27 22:28 編輯

.....

作者: Radiomama 時間: 18-6-17 07:26

964000 發表於 18-6-17 06:19
My friend even told me some of his son’s teachers even played computer games during lesson in class ...

在中學部，不要expect個老師好似阿媽咁成日no no no; 上課是聽書、做classwork 定遊魂遊戲，從來是學生自己一個選擇。

一年多前當Pokémon 盛行時，我仔學校的老師在lunchtime 還専門攪了個捉精靈隊，齊齊出學校附近散步捉精靈，我覺得ok喎。

小學上課做class work 時，老師已經會播流行歌曲陪伴做習作，所以依家個個都鐘意帶headphone聽歌做功課。這些practice跟我們不同，但不一定不好。

作者: tulip_bb 時間: 18-6-17 07:34

shadeslayer 發表於 18-6-17 01:01
You don't even understand what I am saying. And you don't want to know why people have that react ...

it's really difficult to "understand" your short answer.

作者: tulip_bb 時間: 18-6-17 07:35 標題: 回覆樓主：

本帖最後由 tulip_bb 於 18-6-17 09:28 編輯

playing computer game in spare time and listening to the music while doing classwork/homework is totally accepted.
But how about playing computer games during lessons and every break at school?

作者: tulip_bb 時間: 18-6-17 07:36

964000 發表於 18-6-17 06:19
My friend even told me some of his son’s teachers even played computer games during lesson in class ...

Exactly

作者: 964000 時間: 18-6-17 08:09

Radiomama 發表於 18-6-17 07:26
在中學部，不要expect個老師好似阿媽咁成日no no no; 上課是聽書、做classwork 定遊魂遊戲，從來是學生自 ...

本帖最後由 964000 於 18-6-17 16:30 編輯

No, my friend told me it’s when the students doing their own work in class, teacher killed time in his seat playing games on the computer, and then a student went out to ask something saw it.

作者: Radiomama 時間: 18-6-17 09:47

tulip_bb 發表於 18-6-17 07:35
playing computer game in spare time and listening to the music while doing classwork/homework is tot ...

我自己的孩子相信不會，但其他人如何我不敢講。

學校老師每人有自己的尺，我不勉強。

有些學校嚴、有些寬，是自然的事；就如拍拖問題，學校有不同處理。

個別老師未能自律，可向校方反映。

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 18-6-17 09:52

964000 發表於 18-6-17 06:18
They can play in school and even in the classroom during lesson too?

本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 18-6-17 10:20 編輯

most of them not in the lessons, I cant say there are no kids trying to play during lessons.but according to my daughter and her own behaviour, most people have good self control.

Hey, I remember I sneaked in games during class when I was a secondary student, I turned out ok.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 18-6-17 10:09

964000 發表於 18-6-17 08:09
No, it’s when the students doing their own work in class, teacher killed time in his seat playing ...

本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 18-6-17 10:16 編輯

有時自己開工也有聽私人電話。。。邊個無？老師不太過分，我不會介意，其實老師kill time, 不打機，上FB又係未一樣。太過分當然不可以，大人細路一樣。

我有一段時期見女兒在家對住電腦，一時打機，一時U tube, 一時做功課，不斷交差，我有開一聲話佢，但女兒話 I know what I am doing.

我見佢功課又0K，無再理佢，信佢。I accepted that it is their new way of working, "multitasking", which we older people don't understand and shouldn't force kids to go our old way.

Secondary school students they should be in control of their lives. Parents would be mentors. If they insist they throw their lives away, they will find a way no matter what parents do.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 18-6-17 10:22

shadeslayer 發表於 18-6-17 10:09
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 18-6-17 10:16 編輯

有時自己開工也有聽私人電話。。。邊個無？老師不太過 ...

Typically the majority of network traffic of a company is FB......

作者: Radiomama 時間: 18-6-17 10:26

shadeslayer 發表於 18-6-17 10:09
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 18-6-17 10:16 編輯

有時自己開工也有聽私人電話。。。邊個無？老師不太過 ...

Absolutely agree!

作者: Monstereasy 時間: 18-6-17 10:36

tulip_bb 發表於 18-6-17 07:35
playing computer game in spare time and listening to the music while doing classwork/homework is tot ...

阿仔學校初小時有用online game sumdog去温習數學，另外仲有其他遊戲邊玩邊學。

作者: Activehealth 時間: 18-6-17 11:02

shadeslayer 發表於 18-6-17 10:09
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 18-6-17 10:16 編輯

有時自己開工也有聽私人電話。。。邊個無？老師不太過 ...

And in the future, we will cellular phones in our cars and even in our bodies, with portable computers, electronic mail, computer shopping, smart television, narrowcasting, and personal robots, we will have more and more ways to stay busier and busier and to do more things simultaneously, with expectations rising accordingly. We can drive and do business, we can exercise and process information, we can read and watch television, or have split screens so that we can watch two, three or four things at once on television. We will never be out of touch with the world.

BUT WILL WE BE EVER IN TOUCH WITH OURSELVES?

Excerpt from Dr. Jon Kabat-Zinn’s
“Full Catastrophe Living”

作者: Activehealth 時間: 18-6-17 11:02 標題: 回覆樓主

如果想孩子越來越多情緒問題及學習障礙如ADHD, that’s the way to go!

12 Reasons to Stop Multitasking Now!
http://www.health.com/health/gallery/0,,20707868,00.html?utm_source=health.com&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=social-button-sharing

Multitasking Damages Your Brain And Career, New Studies Suggest - Forbes
http://www.forbes.com/sites/travisbradberry/2014/10/08/multitasking-damages-your-brain-and-career-new-studies-suggest/#510da9cb56ee

作者: cowmoon 時間: 18-6-17 11:09

Radiomama 發表於 18-6-17 07:26
在中學部，不要expect個老師好似阿媽咁成日no no no; 上課是聽書、做classwork 定遊魂遊戲，從來是學生自 ...

我從前也會開電視機／收音機做功課。現在做司機時也一定要開收音機。

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 18-6-17 11:12

Activehealth 發表於 18-6-17 11:02
And in the future, we will cellular phones in our cars and even in our bodies, with portable compu ...

will we ever be in touch of ourselves is an independent question, nothing to do with multitasking.

作者: cowmoon 時間: 18-6-17 11:17

964000 發表於 18-6-17 08:09
No, it’s when the students doing their own work in class, teacher killed time in his seat playing ...

那麼如果老師在學生做堂課時，備課又如何？答家長電郵又如何？看書呢？追小說呢？睇漫畫呢？...
家長當然對老師在學生面前做什麼會著緊，因為老師係學生的 role model。不過，老師這些行為，好唔好都好，其實同學校有沒有讓學生用電腦沒有太大關係。

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 18-6-17 11:17

Activehealth 發表於 18-6-17 11:02
如果想孩子越來越多情緒問題及學習障礙如ADHD, that’s the way to go!

12 Reasons to Stop Multitasking ...

Multitasking may not be suitable for all kids, but my child (and many of her classmates) are really fast thinkers, they need a rest mentally more frequently, multitasking is just natural to them.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 18-6-17 11:21

cowmoon 發表於 18-6-17 11:17
那麼如果老師在學生做堂課時，備課又如何？答家長電郵又如何？看書呢？追小說呢？睇漫畫呢？...
家長當然 ...

所以我覺得一開始樓主 asked the wrong question.

No right answers will come from wrong questions.

作者: cowmoon 時間: 18-6-17 11:23

與其找一間學生上堂不用電腦的學校，不如找一間真正有培養學生好好利用電腦作學習用途的學校？

作者: Artie 時間: 18-6-17 11:42

本帖最後由 Artie 於 18-6-17 11:46 編輯

tulip_bb 發表於 18-6-16 17:02
請問邊間IS中學上堂唔用電腦？Thanks！

其實每一科情況不同，小兒的母校（小兒已經是大學生 )，以往部分老師已經會即時分享資訊 electronically 。
學校很好，有很多非學術的教育，有教學生面對毒品，賭博，酒，男女之間，電腦，甚至精神健康。電腦只是一個工具，如果好好運用，是一個好幫手。
小女比小兒大三年，兩個孩子學習方式分別已經十分大，小女當年中學，電腦主要用作做 internet research ，打字 print 功課。到小兒一屆，很多功課也是上網交，連家中 printer 也少用了。
小兒的大學 ( 外國 )，有部份科的 short quiz 是用電腦做，每個人 login 自己 account ，各有各做，份卷可以是同一批題目，不同細節，題目先後次序不亦同，好難出貓。
小女比弟弟早三年入大學，當年大學的情況分別很大。
再過幾年，到你孩子到高中或大學，相信又是另一個境況。
不用執著於上堂是否用電腦，不如教孩子 big picture ，甚麼是自己的責任，自己要有甚麼學習態度。
上到高中和大學，父母或老師講乜都冇用，要靠孩子自律。
PS 早前執屋，找到自己當年用過的 four figure table ，科技進步了，現在的中學生不需要用它了。

作者: tulip_bb 時間: 18-6-17 12:20

Artie 發表於 18-6-17 11:42
其實每一科情況不同，小兒的母校（小兒已經是大學生 )，以往部分老師已經會即時分享資訊 electronically ...

Well said.

Thanks a lot for sharing.

作者: tulip_bb 時間: 18-6-17 12:29

shadeslayer 發表於 18-6-17 11:21
所以我覺得一開始樓主 asked the wrong question.

No right answers will come from wrong questions.

A question could be strange and now could be wrong？
Just yourself is so correct and perfect?
Really wonder what makes you so arrogant.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 18-6-17 12:48

Artie 發表於 18-6-17 11:42
其實每一科情況不同，小兒的母校（小兒已經是大學生 )，以往部分老師已經會即時分享資訊 electronically ...

ACT 都用電腦考。。。

作者: ratafan 時間: 18-6-17 13:09 標題: 回覆樓主

It’s hard to avoid using computers in lessons. My 2 children study in 2 different IS. One very academic and one more liberal. Both need heavy use of the machines in lessons coz sometimes teachers might want them to share their work during lesson and it’s easiest for them to do this in google drive or google classrooms. And teachers now tend to make use of google classroom to share some resources so they don’t need to print out and sometimes such info are of very big/abundant volume and it’s hard to share with the kids physically. The upside of technology is that it brings convenience to us. However kids get very easily distracted and would tend to jump from one task to another without in depth engagement in a single task.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 18-6-17 14:13

tulip_bb 發表於 18-6-17 12:29
A question could be strange and now could be wrong？
Just yourself is so correct and perfect?
Reall ...

本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 18-6-17 14:21 編輯

Questions can be stupid, wrong or strange. When I said "strange" in the beginning, it was an euphemism for "wrong". Now you understand why I said I was being polite.

I made subjective comments, some people agree and some people like you disagree. It is very normal and should not take it personally. It is free speech and you are free to slap critical terms like arrogant, unfriendly rude etc to me also. Ultimately other readers will determine if you and I are reasonable in making those comments.

If you read other people's replies, no one gave you a straight answer. Now you understand the quality of your original question. Yet people are trying to help and you are still nursing your damaged ego. Go figure.

作者: tulip_bb 時間: 18-6-17 15:19

shadeslayer 發表於 18-6-17 14:13
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 18-6-17 14:21 編輯

Questions can be stupid, wrong or strange. When I s ...

Do you mean you judge the quality of a question with the criteria whether a straight answer could be given?
Don't you know everything has pros and cons?
Haven't you heard a saying “there is no stupid question, only stupid answer”?
But of course I am not saying you are stupid. Don't take it personally. : )
But I do appreciate you sharing the personal experience of your daughter and yourself. Cause healthy debate is always welcome and very helpful, no matter you agree or disagree with other people. At least it's much better than an offensive judgement.

作者: mrshoho 時間: 18-6-18 10:04 標題: 回覆樓主

我估冇一間唔用

作者: tulip_bb 時間: 18-6-18 17:01

mrshoho 發表於 18-6-18 10:04
我估冇一間唔用

Sure

作者: mrshoho 時間: 18-6-18 18:40 標題: 回覆樓主

個個都機不離手，有時會令我懷念未有電腦嘅日子！

作者: tulip_bb 時間: 18-6-19 12:51

mrshoho 發表於 18-6-18 18:40
個個都機不離手，有時會令我懷念未有電腦嘅日子！

Me too!

作者: 1992英语baby 時間: 18-6-27 12:39

tulip_bb 發表於 18-6-16 17:02
請問邊間IS中學上堂唔用電腦？Thanks！

好多家長面對過或將會面對的問題，Mac機（或PC)可以設定Parental Controls,可以防止不適合的websites 等等，browsers 亦可由家長monitor 所有history. 所以可以不用太擔心

作者: Activehealth 時間: 18-6-27 16:38

1992英语baby 發表於 18-6-27 12:39
好多家長面對過或將會面對的問題，Mac機（或PC)可以設定Parental Controls,可以防止不適合的websites 等等 ...

阿仔學校用Mac 機，我set 咗parental controls，佢要dl有用program(我批準），但我自己唔記得密碼（阿媽太豬）。

阿仔自己成功解鎖dl (我唔知佢點解到），之後佢問我駛唔駛再set密碼。我話set 都無用，你都解到。

作者: 1992英语baby 時間: 18-6-28 10:54

Activehealth 發表於 18-6-27 16:38
阿仔學校用Mac 機，我set 咗parental controls，佢要dl有用program(我批準），但我自己唔記得密碼（阿媽太 ...

可能已經有你admin user password. 要改一改了. 家中WiFi Router可以設定什麼時候WiFi 中斷(指定devices都可以）. 方法好多的。

作者: Activehealth 時間: 18-6-28 13:33

1992英语baby 發表於 18-6-28 10:54
可能已經有你admin user password. 要改一改了. 家中WiFi Router可以設定什麼時候WiFi 中斷(指定device ...

其實正如樓上jm 所講，要佢自己學識自我控制。
已經試過WiFi router 限時間，但佢電話數據大把。

佢喺屋企用電腦電話電子產品要喺廳，唔可以拎入房，至少我可以望見。差電只可喺廳差。

我有佢所有電子產品包括Apps/ e-mail password, 可以隨時開啟，佢無得say no.

歡迎光臨教育王國 (/)