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標題: CDNIS v VSA [打印本頁]
作者: AU111007 時間: 17-4-25 01:15 標題: CDNIS v VSA
Any comments on these two schools ? How to choose between these two schools?
Thanks very much.
作者: Jmachi 時間: 17-4-25 09:40
AU111007 發表於 17-4-25 01:15 
Any comments on these two schools ? How to choose between these two schools?
Depends on what you want. Just to compare 2 of them:-
VSA: Strong Chinese, Maths is using Singapore methods, not an international school, culture less diversity
CDNIS: good at arts, sports, more all rounded, more culture diversity, Chinese programme is ok but not as strong, hear their maths is weak though, got some negative news on the school
作者: Jmachi 時間: 17-4-25 18:31
AU111007 發表於 17-4-25 01:15
Any comments on these two schools ? How to choose between these two schools?
Also class size, VSA is 30 and CDNIS is 25.
作者: Choochootrain 時間: 17-4-25 19:16
Jmachi 發表於 17-4-25 09:40
Depends on what you want. Just to compare 2 of them:-
VSA: Strong Chinese, Maths is using Singapor ...
What's cdnis negative news about?
作者: elmostoney 時間: 17-4-25 19:20
本帖最後由 elmostoney 於 17-4-25 19:22 編輯
小學來講, 維記壓力會大點, CDNIS會輕鬆點. 維記會分補底同勁個批出來, 另外教. CDNIS 會補下底, 但除了中文就唔會點額外分班. 維記學生間競爭感較大, CDNIS就隨意D. 如果係小學階段追求學術卓越, 我覺得揀VSA會啱D. 維記係想做全港的top school, 係四五年前一個家長會時孔美棋講的, 佢地會投入資源, 但亦都帶返想應壓力.
作者: AU111007 時間: 17-4-25 20:08
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Thank you all for sharing the information.
What are the negative news about CDNIS?
How about comparing the discipline/ behaviour of the students?
And future university placement?
作者: Jmachi 時間: 17-4-25 20:30
AU111007 發表於 17-4-25 20:08
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Thank you all for sharing the information.
The negative news was on the board fired a number of teachers, the principal. details can search on scmp news (back in 2014, 2015)
作者: Choochootrain 時間: 17-4-25 21:07
Jmachi 發表於 17-4-25 20:30
The negative news was on the board fired a number of teachers, the principal. details can search on ...
校長唔係岩岩又換左新咩？仲有negative news?
作者: Jmachi 時間: 17-4-25 21:42
Choochootrain 發表於 17-4-25 21:07
校長唔係岩岩又換左新咩？仲有negative news?
I'm only referring to the old news. but some ppl might take this into consideration
作者: elmostoney 時間: 17-4-26 10:48
VSA雖然是30人一班但是是雙班主任制的.
作者: Riesling 時間: 17-4-26 11:15 標題: 回覆樓主:
My friends have kids in Cdnis, they said the incident is over and they don't feel any negative impact in terms of daily school life and learnings, they are happy with the school so far.
作者: Buggyjai 時間: 17-4-26 17:48 標題: 回覆樓主：
本帖最後由 Buggyjai 於 17-4-26 17:49 編輯
VSA PYP is around 24-26 kids per class and must be less than 30. - head of school said
作者: AU111007 時間: 17-4-26 19:14
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Thank you all
Heard that CDNIS is quite loose in terms of teaching students' discipline? Is it true? How about VSA?
Just wondering if in general the students in CDNIS/ VSA behave well ...
Are the teachers caring?
作者: elmostoney 時間: 17-4-26 21:27
本帖最後由 elmostoney 於 17-4-26 21:34 編輯
Depends on how you define discipline. I think it is in line with most IS in this department.
肯定不會叫你立正, 坐正, 上堂不準傾計 (老師講課除外), 罸企呢D. 唔交功課老師都會照肺, no bullying 呢D野會留意.
其實邊間學校都睇老師, 個個遇著都不同. 我所見所聞覺得老師是幾好的.
well behaved與否, 實有人not well behaved的, 好多學校去到6至8年班, D細路要證明自己大個仔 (男仔多D呢D情況), 會開始講下粗口,但去到9年班, 定左, 唔洗再扮大個, 又會少左人講. 呢樣我同另一間在EK超多人討論的中學生傾過呢個問題, 佢都好有同感, 佢話最煩就係D Y7Y8, 成日想扮大個. 我個女搭校車, 都有返來講D同車同學, 真係初中D男仔最rowdy, 大D又冇野.
其實物野叫well behaved? 朋友上門補英文寫作, 佢聽返學生講，某學術很強的西人ＩＳ，高小已有ｂｕｌｌｙｉｎｇ，中學甚至有naked female student和男仔攬埋一舊, 呢間學校比人覺得算strict的, 但學生物人都有, 所以我又覺得不能以編蓋全. 又不能一件半件事就覺得學校唔disciplined.
作者: thirdculture 時間: 17-4-26 21:31
AU111007 發表於 17-4-25 20:08
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Thank you all for sharing the information.
CDNIS university placement is much better. Just take a look at their website, it's all public. The bilingual program at VSA is great and I've heard that the academics are quite strong but for some reason, their university placement isn't great. Maybe lack of guidance, not sure.
作者: Jane1983 時間: 17-4-27 09:55
家長問校風，好難回答，因為每個人的要求唔同，有d係以傳統教會女校為標準，咁真係唔係咁樣。兩間都識好幾個小朋友讀緊，都係正常小朋友表現，唔覺有明顯問題。
作者: nintendo 時間: 17-4-27 13:05
Jane1983 發表於 17-4-27 09:55
家長問校風，好難回答，因為每個人的要求唔同，有d係以傳統教會女校為標準，咁真係唔係咁樣。兩間都識好幾 ...
我有睇過好多次，在 BK EK 有家長呻，讀本地傳統女校的女兒拍拖，又好夜唔返屋企。
其實仔女行為，父母責任最大。
作者: Jane1983 時間: 17-4-27 14:34
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係，朋輩有影響，但家庭最主要。
作者: ratafan 時間: 17-4-28 07:40
AU111007 發表於 17-4-25 01:15
Any comments on these two schools ? How to choose between these two schools?
VSA is basically a local school but following IB system, most kids can speak good English but playground language is primarily Cantonese (my child's observation in one of the school events where they had to visit VSA)
CDNIS is an IS
作者: poonseelai 時間: 17-4-28 08:39 標題: 回覆樓主：
本帖最後由 poonseelai 於 17-4-28 08:48 編輯
兩間都是IB achool (PYP, MYP and DP), 分別在CDNIS 是IS 而VSA 是PIS，按教署要求 IS不少於 七成是non-local 而 PIS 最少七成是local. 運作上VSA同一間IS無分別，因此已成為council of international school 成員。VSA不禁止學生用母語 (香港是廣東話)，這是跟IB理念相同。如家長相對重視中文，VSA提供較佳環境，小學中英並用，而不是將中文分成一科去教。如論歷史，當然,CDNIS悠久D，VSA始終較新。
作者: jellomama 時間: 17-4-28 17:51
ratafan 發表於 17-4-28 07:40
VSA is basically a local school but following IB system, most kids can speak good English but playg ...
作者: nov21 時間: 17-4-30 03:17
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作者: poonseelai 時間: 17-4-30 07:03
nov21 發表於 17-4-30 03:17
CDNIS : nonprofit international school
VSA : for-profit private school
本帖最後由 poonseelai 於 17-4-30 08:13 編輯
請問你從那裡知道VSA is for profit? VSA校舍是由政府批地，而教署只会批地给已獲税局豁免的non profit organization. VSA is private independent school, not private school.
作者: nov21 時間: 17-4-30 09:04
poonseelai 發表於 17-4-30 07:03
本帖最後由 poonseelai 於 17-4-30 08:13 編輯
請問你從那裡知道VSA is for profit? VSA校舍是由政府批 ...
作者: AU111007 時間: 17-5-4 11:12
Thank you all for sharing.
作者: 4eyesDad 時間: 17-5-4 12:35
AU111007 發表於 17-4-25 01:15
Any comments on these two schools ? How to choose between these two schools?
CDNIS is an international school with some Chinese language teachers. Students at CDNIS have a greater chance to meet international students. VSA is a Chinese school with an international curriculum. Students at VSA have a greater chance to meet other Chinese students (but they usually speak English to each other). Non-profit or not, it makes little difference to the fees at these two schools. However, discounts are available if you have more kids at the same school.
作者: halvard 時間: 17-6-16 11:59
i am very interested to send my child to VSA later.
can i know about the chances of getting in as a graduate of Vic's kindergarten? and what can we do to increase our chances?
thanks!!
作者: juniorli 時間: 17-6-20 20:06
halvard 發表於 17-6-16 11:59
i am very interested to send my child to VSA later.
can i know about the chances of getting in as a ...
You can buy debenture, which give you the chance of 2nd interview if you failed the first one
作者: halvard 時間: 17-6-21 09:49
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thx for ur reply!
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 17-6-21 13:15
juniorli 發表於 17-6-20 20:06
You can buy debenture, which give you the chance of 2nd interview if you failed the first one
if the child fails the first interviews, he/she is not going to change much in a second interview, what is the point?
作者: Covenant2017 時間: 17-6-21 15:40
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作者: poonseelai 時間: 17-6-21 17:24
Covenant2017 發表於 17-6-21 15:40
哈哈！如果事實的確如此，那還用問
如果一間學校容許第一次面試失敗後，只要肯買debenture就可給予 ...
VSA 只在2013 和 2014發了兩次私人債券，用來加建一部升降機(已完工) 和遲些在圖書館在加建兩層，如要買可在二手市場。公司債券現仍可向學校申請。
作者: Covenant2017 時間: 17-6-21 17:33
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作者: poonseelai 時間: 17-6-21 17:52
Covenant2017 發表於 17-6-21 17:33
咁在發行債券時，是否有如上述網友所說的安排和做法呢？
本帖最後由 poonseelai 於 17-6-21 18:02 編輯
據我所知債券持有人有優先面試機会，是否多一次就唔清楚。有時孩子面試當日不在狀態也可理解，始終申請一年级都是幾歲小孩，又何須咁mean. 至於第一次面試肥咗，家長立刻去買張二手私人債券是否可有第二次面試，你可致電學校問下。
作者: Covenant2017 時間: 17-6-21 18:04
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作者: poonseelai 時間: 17-6-21 18:13
Covenant2017 發表於 17-6-21 18:04
買債券可享有優先面試機會是合情合理，許多國際學校都會給予有債券者獲得優先面試或考核，但是否最終取錄 ...
你可以咁估嘅，反正你我都無資料。如果學校愛財，係唔係應該由學校再發行新一批私人債券俾家長申請？
作者: Covenant2017 時間: 17-6-21 18:25
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作者: shadeslayer 時間: 17-6-21 20:01
poonseelai 發表於 17-6-21 18:13
你可以咁估嘅，反正你我都無資料。如果學校愛財，係唔係應該由學校再發行新一批私人債券俾家長申請？
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28樓網友係咁講，我覺奇怪，不想誤會才問。 VSA 都唔似有咁嘅收生政策。
作者: mamaishere 時間: 17-6-21 22:13
Covenant2017 發表於 17-6-21 18:25
我不知VSA實際做法，我只是表示若一間學校採用這種做法是極為不智而已。
本帖最後由 mamaishere 於 17-6-21 22:17 編輯
http://www.vsa.edu.hk/upload/Admissions/Debenture-Information-Sheet-3rd-tranche.pdf
You can check out point #5 and below ppt
http://www.vsa.edu.hk/upload/Admissions/Debenture-Scheme_2014-Version.pdf
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 17-6-21 22:30
mamaishere 發表於 17-6-21 22:13
本帖最後由 mamaishere 於 17-6-21 22:17 編輯
http://www.vsa.edu.hk/upload/Admissions/Debenture-In ...
additional reassessment opportunities? meaning can be more than 2 times. 
作者: mamaishere 時間: 17-6-21 22:38
shadeslayer 發表於 17-6-21 22:30
additional reassessment opportunities? meaning can be more than 2 times.
本帖最後由 mamaishere 於 17-6-21 22:39 編輯
guess there is no fail cases for debenture holders so far? as I know many mainlanders bought debenture, failed the 1st round due to poor English level, and reassessment was scheduled again in a few months and got in!
作者: Choochootrain 時間: 17-6-22 10:48
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Mandarin more important for VSA interview....
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 17-6-22 11:44
Choochootrain 發表於 17-6-22 10:48
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Mandarin more important for VSA interview....
Whether VSA view Mandarin as more important is irrelevant. If a child failed English in first interview, how can we reasonably expect he or she improve significantly in a few months? Wha5 about the school year? Start8ng in thenMiddle if a school year?
作者: Covenant2017 時間: 17-6-22 11:45
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作者: mamaishere 時間: 17-6-22 12:39
shadeslayer 發表於 17-6-22 11:44
Whether VSA view Mandarin as more important is irrelevant. If a child failed English in first int ...
They usually give out offers in the 2nd term of K2, the kids still need to complete K3 in their current kinder in order to proceed to VSA G1. Hence, debenture holders have very sufficient time for reassessments throughout the year!
作者: nintendo 時間: 17-6-22 12:53
Covenant2017 發表於 17-6-22 11:45
"
riorities: additional opportunities for reassessment and 1st priority admission (over siblings an ...
認真不智
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不智在白紙黑字寫出嚟 
作者: poonseelai 時間: 17-6-22 13:19
nintendo 發表於 17-6-22 12:53
認真不智
你真心水清
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 17-6-22 13:25
mamaishere 發表於 17-6-22 12:39
They usually give out offers in the 2nd term of K2, the kids still need to complete K3 in their cur ...
大家會自行判斷合理性。
我最欣賞的 Debenture 係考完，收左，才買。 有 interview or admission priority 也無可厚非。 但可以同一學年考幾次則...見仁見志。
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 17-6-22 13:27
nintendo 發表於 17-6-22 12:53
認真不智
非也，唔寫出來點吸引人買？
作者: 964000 時間: 17-6-22 13:30 標題: 回覆樓主：
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Then I think ESF is really fairer, they will straight fail nomination rights holder if the English is not up to standards. German Swiss even dare to fail alumni and siblings or any 皇親國戚，and you are not allowed to buy debenture before you pass assessment。I think this is the difference between a "westernised" and a "localised" IS.
作者: nintendo 時間: 17-6-22 14:16
shadeslayer 發表於 17-6-22 13:27
非也，唔寫出來點吸引人買？
其實學校收生情況得個 "信" 字。
其他學校如何處理，who knows。
作者: mamaishere 時間: 17-6-22 14:25
nintendo 發表於 17-6-22 14:16
其實學校收生情況得個 "信" 字。
其他學校如何處理，who knows。
係㗎！你估呢個世界真係有咁多random number，學校又真係咁睇得開唔filter吓個list咩
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作者: poonseelai 時間: 17-6-22 15:09
Covenant2017 發表於 17-6-22 14:58
只有那些對自己不夠信心的學校才出此下策，不過亦都是有市場再有如此供應，現實中許多父母為求一學位可以 ...
唔洗咁勞氣，雖然VSA相對新，今年才第八屆畢業生，都未至於對自己不夠信心。無記錯去年起小一已改為只收维幼生，信心應該都有嘅。
作者: Covenant2017 時間: 17-6-22 15:15
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作者: poonseelai 時間: 17-6-22 15:18
Covenant2017 發表於 17-6-22 15:15
那麼學校管理層認真不智，竟然定下這個策略。
多謝提醒，見到 head of academy 会轉達意見
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 17-6-22 15:35
poonseelai 發表於 17-6-22 15:09
唔洗咁勞氣，雖然VSA相對新，今年才第八屆畢業生，都未至於對自己不夠信心。無記錯去年起小一已改為只收维 ...
無論信心充足否，學校也可能想吸引多些 debenture 學生。
作者: poonseelai 時間: 17-6-22 15:40
shadeslayer 發表於 17-6-22 15:35
無論信心充足否，學校也可能想吸引多些 debenture 學生。
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本帖最後由 poonseelai 於 17-6-22 15:41 編輯
正如之前有講過，只出了兩批私人及公司債券，即持債券入讀學生人數上限已定，目前只有公司債券可申請，數目唔清楚但相信不会多過私人債券。
作者: beautifulbabies 時間: 17-6-25 01:46
shadeslayer 發表於 17-6-22 15:35
無論信心充足否，學校也可能想吸引多些 debenture 學生。
It seems vsa highly prioritize debenture holders. From their interview and selection process, they interview and give offers to siblings and debenture holders earlier (I call this "first round"). Then they would interview children with no siblings plus non-debenture holders as the "second round". This is in essence, giving priority to debenture holders.
To be honest this seems unfair, for debenture holders to get earlier offers compared to non-debenture holders who are currently studying at their kindergarten. Shouldn't All students be assessed and given offers at the same time? In addition, If debenture holders really do get multiple chances of reassessments throughout the year, vsa might as well just give the debenture holders a sure pass into admission...
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 17-6-25 06:33
beautifulbabies 發表於 17-6-25 01:46
It seems vsa highly prioritize debenture holders. From their interview and selection process, they ...
Well, having admission priority is not unusual, local schools Alumni marks, religion marks, sibling, etc.
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作者: shadeslayer 時間: 17-6-25 19:01
Covenant2017 發表於 17-6-25 09:59
It should be notice that other schools only give higher priority to attain interview or assessment ...
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 17-6-25 19:02 編輯
I see what you mean. But even if you call it priority interview, it means they are faster than others in admission after the interview.The difference is, most schools will require the same student interview performance in a "single" interview as other applicants having no priorities.
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作者: hehehaha2017 時間: 17-6-25 20:31
本帖最後由 hehehaha2017 於 17-6-25 20:47 編輯
討論無意思
cdnis offer 是超難得到的
你有2 間完整的offer 再算
cdnis 較自由
grade 1-6 assessment 少，學校鼓勵運動
grade 7 開始多功課, 無樹無幹， 不須見家長
grade 10,11,12 三年讀書辛苦,11:30pm -1am 才睡眠
最後兩間學校上到最後兩年
命運一樣！ 災難！
作者: poonseelai 時間: 17-6-25 20:55
hehehaha2017 發表於 17-6-25 20:31
討論無意思
cdnis offer 是超難得到的
淨係最尾嗰三年先咁夜訓？已經好好啦
作者: beautifulbabies 時間: 17-6-25 23:46
Covenant2017 發表於 17-6-25 20:10
No, what I mean other schools would not give faster admission for those with higher interview priori ...
This is exactly why i feel the process is unfair. Siblings and debenture holders get interviewed first, and immediately be given offers. After the first batch of offers are given, non debenture holders and children with no siblings are interviewed to fight for the remaining spots. It means the first batch of students have less competition overall as the number of applicants will be lower.
I understand that siblings could get priority in interviews and admission....but giving the same preferential treatment to debenture holders? I guess money is more important than the child's interview.
作者: nintendo 時間: 17-6-26 12:08
poonseelai 發表於 17-6-25 20:55
淨係最尾嗰三年先咁夜訓？已經好好啦
個個人讀書方式和能力不同，"夜瞓" 冇太大指標性。
作者: lijacq 時間: 17-6-27 20:25
nintendo 發表於 17-6-26 12:08
個個人讀書方式和能力不同，"夜瞓" 冇太大指標性。
My eldest daughter is in CDNIS and son in VSA. Both schools follow IB. Regarding difficulty, yes, IB is really difficult, and because the assessments are all year round, there seldom is a time when there are no essays or assessments, so, they have to study until 1am everyday except during holidays.
In my opinion, CDNIS is better in Arts subjects, and Humanities while VSA is better in Math and Sciences.
作者: bluebee 時間: 17-6-28 12:06
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Hi Lijacq - PM you. Many thanks!
作者: Jmachi 時間: 17-6-28 13:15
lijacq 發表於 17-6-27 20:25
My eldest daughter is in CDNIS and son in VSA. Both schools follow IB. Regarding difficulty, yes, ...
Hi lijacq, so is it CDNIS Chinese is so much weaker than VSA? Also is it CDNIS is so much less homework than VSA?
作者: nintendo 時間: 17-6-28 13:57
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lijacq 發表於 17-6-27 20:25
My eldest daughter is in CDNIS and son in VSA. Both schools follow IB. Regarding difficulty, yes, ...
My kids are also in IB, so I know the curriculum well.
My point was simply that what time a student go to bed, is not a pointer to whether a curriculum is hard or whether a school is good.
My daughter's classmate goes to bed at 11pm everyday, and his PG was 43.
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 17-6-28 22:02
nintendo 發表於 17-6-28 13:57
My kids are also in IB, so I know the curriculum well.
My point was simply that what time a student ...
11pm is kind of early for teenagers.
作者: poonseelai 時間: 17-6-28 23:33
nintendo 發表於 17-6-28 13:57
My kids are also in IB, so I know the curriculum well.
My point was simply that what time a student ...
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