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作者: lyyshore 時間: 16-2-11 15:59 標題: ISF 和 SIS 大家会怎么考虑？

ISF幼稚园很大机会去ISF academy. SIS 就可以一条龙了。都是双语。其他方面呢？

作者: Riesling 時間: 16-2-11 16:05 標題: 回覆：ISF 和 SIS 大家会怎么考虑？

本帖最後由 Riesling 於 16-3-7 13:19 編輯

I prefer Sis much more than Isf..

作者: lyyshore 時間: 16-2-11 16:09 標題: 回覆：Riesling 的帖子

why ？学校哪些不同让你这样觉得？

作者: Riesling 時間: 16-2-11 18:27 標題: 回覆：ISF 和 SIS 大家会怎么考虑？

本帖最後由 Riesling 於 16-3-4 17:04 編輯

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作者: 964000 時間: 16-2-11 22:25 標題: 回覆：ISF 和 SIS 大家会怎么考虑？

ISF teaches traditional Chinese, SIS teaches simplified Chinese, see if this is your concern. For me I think SIS is more " international"

作者: mafoonfoonyan 時間: 16-2-12 12:16

每一間學校都有它的好處和壞處。

lSF的老師也是非常好的，態度好，有心，和家長有交流，每星期的教材也會上載到網上家長，如果你想的話就可以讓你可以跟孩子練習。家長們絕對清楚孩子在學校所學的和在學校的表現。老師亦會打電話給家長匯報。家長班代表易會常常跟校長會面，這方面是做得很好的。我相信以上的只是個別例子因為很多家長都是非常滿意，孩子亦都很開心。

家長們的交流比較多，自己亦可以識多幾個朋友。因為不是國際學校所以很多學生都打算一直在lSF讀上去，不像很多國際學校的小朋友來來去去，這一點亦是非常重要的。

亦要考慮你自己是什麼人，想小朋友唱什麼國歌，交什麼朋友。

絕大部份小朋友都可以升上Academy, 這一點不用太擔心。

最後亦要考慮到，有很多人都覺得英文先比中文容易學的所以有好的中文根基是很重要的。

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 16-2-12 13:09

mafoonfoonyan 發表於 16-2-12 12:16
亦要考慮你自己是什麼人，想小朋友唱什麼國歌，交什麼朋友。 ...

Interesting point, never thought of that.

What National Anthem do they use in ISF? Below is the one for SIS, personally I think it is quite inspiring for Hongkongers, a glimpse of what Hongkong could be :) ...

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作者: annie40 時間: 16-2-12 13:47

聴聞ISF中學部學生流失率極高。

作者: macdullbaby 時間: 16-2-12 15:07 標題: 回覆：ISF 和 SIS 大家会怎么考虑？

大約兩、三年前在中心公園室內泳池游水，中途有班小朋友進場在泳池的另一邊上課。初初不知他們是什麼學校或者什麼游泳會，但因為授課的教練聲浪很大，用純正國內口音的普通話，用極之嚴厲的語氣，近乎喝駡的態度教導全班小朋友，所以才留意他們原來是isf的老師和學生............係深刻的一幕

作者: Riesling 時間: 16-2-12 15:31 標題: 引用：大約兩、三年前在中心公園室內泳池游水，中

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大約兩、三年前在中心公園室內泳池游水，中途有班小朋友進場在泳池的另一邊上課。初初不知他們是什麼學校或 ...

That's exactly what I wanted to point out, as most teachers, students n environment are Chinese, it's inevitable to be surrounded by Chinese way of teaching, but if u are fine with it, it's not a problem! But for me, it's a problem....

作者: 112200 時間: 16-2-12 16:05 標題: 引用：每一間學校都有它的好處和壞處。lSF的老師

原帖由 mafoonfoonyan 於 16-02-12 發表
每一間學校都有它的好處和壞處。

lSF的老師也是非常好的，態度好，有心，和家長有交流，每星期的教材也會 ...

“亦要考慮你自己是什麼人，想小朋友唱什麼國歌，交什麼朋友。“

Couldn't get your point, ISF 小朋友是唱什麼国歌的？他們可以交什麼朋友？

作者: lyyshore 時間: 16-2-12 17:21 標題: 回覆：mafoonfoonyan 的帖子

能請問您的小朋友在哪個學校讀書嗎？

作者: lyyshore 時間: 16-2-12 17:29 標題: 引用：To+my+opinion,+I+like+international+styl

原帖由 Riesling 於 16-02-11 發表
To my opinion, I like international style n culture which is more open, reasonable n democratic. Isf ...

To the point of "international", some other friends says otherwise. SIS is 80% Singaporean, and ISF has more mixed kids. Sis has well established curriculum, strong academics, ISF is more progressive (and means updated?). The fact that ISF focus on Chinese means no non-Chinese speaking family can support it I guess.

作者: lyyshore 時間: 16-2-12 17:30 標題: 引用：To+my+opinion,+I+like+international+styl

原帖由 Riesling 於 16-02-11 發表
To my opinion, I like international style n culture which is more open, reasonable n democratic. Isf ...

作者: Riesling 時間: 16-2-12 18:00 標題: 回覆：ISF 和 SIS 大家会怎么考虑？

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作者: annie40 時間: 16-2-12 19:50

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真的肯定是ISF學生嗎？ISF學校的硬件設施一流，正計劃加建暖水室內泳池，另加建全新大劇院。學校將有4個室內暖水池，再加兩個劇院，10個Lab, 另已配套極多iPad, iMac, 等。很難想像學生需要在校外的公眾泳池習泳！
以上是在ISF工作的朋友轉告的籌劃，如內容有誤差，請求指正。

作者: 112200 時間: 16-2-12 21:11 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+annie40+於+16-2-12+20:32+編

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As you wrote "籌劃“，right?

作者: macdullbaby 時間: 16-2-12 21:16 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+annie40+於+16-2-12+20:32+編

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我說是2-3年前的事。

我是從那幾位老師身上件運動衫上寫住「弘立」二字而知道的。

你懷疑我都沒有辨法再為你解答

作者: macdullbaby 時間: 16-2-12 21:18 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+annie40+於+16-2-12+20:32+編

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2-3年前的一幕，正正是「他們」在中山公園游泳池室內暖水上游泳課

作者: annie40 時間: 16-2-12 21:32

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學校原來已建的設施已是誇張，未來再加建後，總數如上。
印象中港大有三個室外泳池。自己想不通是1600中小學生，竟能用上4個室內暖水池，真富貴！

作者: lyyshore 時間: 16-2-12 21:41 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+annie40+於+16-2-12+20:32+編

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應該是isf的學生沒錯，我有別的朋友也有看見。學校泳池建好前他們在中山公園泳池練游泳。也真是因為他們可以講普通話所以可以請國內好的教練。也有朋友在SIS校泳隊的也是找國內的教練啊。香港好的俱樂部的教練都是國內過來的。

作者: annie40 時間: 16-2-12 21:42

平日在數碼港所見,ISF也有西方孩子，亞裔孩子，混血兒孩子，粗略估計是佔 20 pct 吧！這些孩子進校半年，便能說非常流利普通話，native language 是否中文，並無學習大礙。

作者: annie40 時間: 16-2-12 21:57

兩間也不是我的茶。如果一定要二擇一，會揀ISF，主因是近屋企，另mafongfong 所言，亦是街坊鄰里的普遍評價。

ISF學生普遍好乖，上文提及好惡死果位可能是游泳教練，未必是學校老師，ESF都有外援教練是出名的惡頂粗鄙，細路行過佢駕車會自發吐口水在其Benz坐駕上，以表不滿。

作者: 964000 時間: 16-2-12 22:07 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+annie40+於+16-2-12+20:32+編

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室內泳池至今未完成，I am sure since I just paid school visit to ISF last month.

作者: annie40 時間: 16-2-12 22:34

謝謝指正。怪不得要老遠的跑去中山泳池了。

作者: dcnmxw 時間: 16-2-12 23:00

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真的肯定是ISF學生嗎？ISF學校的硬件設施一流，正計劃加建暖水室內泳池，另加建 ...

作者: mafoonfoonyan 時間: 16-2-14 20:19

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ISF是一所中國人的學校，學的是中國文化，集國際學校與保留中文程度和小朋友充分了解自己中國文化的一個好配搭。
很多注重運動表現成績的學校也會有一些比較惡的教練，很常見。

作者: Wallaby 時間: 16-2-15 03:23 標題: 回覆：mafoonfoonyan 的帖子

Mafoonfoonyan, I agree with you. In fact if any family cannot cope with Chinese, it is not going to be happy or do well at ISF. Things may turn upside down and you will find all things against you like the earlier case of Riesling.

Noticed some Hong Kong families who insists to talk to their children in English since birth, their kids will find it particularly difficult. Probably the parents should admit that English is not their first language, the kids' English is no way close to the native English speaker. While admission at ISF preschool may have the impression that the kid is ok with Chinese given they are from Hong Kong families, yet it is not the case. And obviously the child cannot compete with the native Mandarin speakers as well. That's why some kids got accepted into K2 at ISF preschool but then can't even get the acceptance to the Academy despite the fact that there is near 90percent acceptance rate this year.

Really need to understand the school before joining. It's not easy to be a parent these days as you never know which school is good for the child. However I really think it should be fair to the school that sometimes it is a two ways commitment. The school and the teachers are very good and they are working very hard to get the families involved in the school activities and to understand their thinking and philosophy.

My kid has been enjoying at the ISF preschool and sorry for Riesling for the bad impression. And hope Riesling can able to find the right school for the son soon given there is a huge competition for school hunting nowadays especially either to find a space at K3 in a good local school or a spot in foundation year in other international school.

In relation to not sharing the video links at the social media at ISF, to be honest this is to protect one's privacy. I would think this is the right thing to do though.

作者: annie40 時間: 16-2-15 07:48

本帖最後由 annie40 於 16-2-15 14:18 編輯

回看Riesling文，原來遇上很不愉快經歷。

關於拍照，十年前從英國來港的家長，在學生表演晚會上，見到香港家長們舉相機拍照，反應是十分驚訝，原來在英國的學校，（不肯定是否包括中學）早已禁止家長在校內拍照，此措施是要保護私隱和為孩子的安全著想，因為網絡
無界，以免童照給戀童癖或不法份子，色情份子利用。

因為香港比較安全，家長未必察覺這些存在風險，和禁止拍照的背後意義。個人意見是如果孩子的學校有這種周全考慮，自己是高興感激不已。

後話是若干年前，國際學校的家長們總是對SIS, ISF，指指點點，大致理由是「未夠國際」，多中文得滯，英文必然麻麻地云云。

多年過去，兩校孩子依然可愛，入ivy league的入ivy league, 鬼鬼地咪又鬼鬼地，那份味道跟其他IS孩子沒兩樣，當然凡事有個別例外。反觀其他IS已經不及從前的國際化了，故此這些「國際化」的大招牌已漸失光環，不提也吧。

有財力送孩子入IS, 家長再努力輔助家教，品德和學習成績，普遍也很好。

作者: 964000 時間: 16-2-15 09:08 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+annie40+於+16-2-15+07:56+編

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回看Riesling文，原來遇上很不愉快經歷。

Well said 選學校只能選大方向，每人的priority不同，最緊要知道自己priority是甚麼，有人是中文，有人是英文，有人是龍校，有人是成績etc, 可算是matching遊戲。我相信ISF有些老師是嚴的，因為我去小學school visits 時起碼有兩三個小朋友告訴我某某老師很惡（不知是否同一老師），童言無忌，那些小朋友都很可愛英文都說得很流利，另外在體育課時見到有兩人被罰在坐在圏外冇得玩。我沒有說嚴不好，那就要match家長的期望，和小朋友受吾受教。我自己小朋友係受軟吾受硬個種，愈罰愈反判，所以傳統學校就算名校我都完全沒有考慮了。

作者: aspirant99 時間: 16-2-15 10:18 標題: 回覆：ISF 和 SIS 大家会怎么考虑？

感覺上兩篇帖子都很理性。我很贊同。
一所學校無法滿足所有人的期望，ISF如是，SIS如是，即使如CIS、GSIS也一定不可能讓所有人滿意。
我也是ISF Preschool家長，我覺得滿意的地方是老師整體素質較高且用心，我所知道的晚上十點之後還在回覆家長查詢是常見的事情；教學有章法也無太大壓力，小朋友在學到「東西」的同時也很開心；小朋友背景綜合，儘管中國面孔佔絕大多數，但不少是ABC，不同背景的學生在一起，互相促進，我確實覺得半年以來學生們的中、英文都有很大提高。我覺得不理想的地方是學校沒有戶外場地，學生活動空間有限，但我們擇校之時就已知道，所以也無可抱怨；另外老師身兼上、下午班，如能逐步增加老師當然會更好些。
不應忘記的是ISF Preschool是一所全新的學校，即使ISF Academy創校也僅十年。十年之間，學校能有如今的影響力，進步不可謂不大，由此可見校方的雄心和執行力。

作者: annie40 時間: 16-2-15 10:45

老早知道自己喜歡甚麼，前景光明。

作者: Cara2006 時間: 16-2-15 12:11

ISF 創校時的 model ，大家也知是中文為主，不是嗎？
至於影相，其實好多學校都好怕有家長在活動中影了其他小朋友相，未必係刻意，但難免影到旁邊的人。
畢竟唔係個個人想自己仔女比其他人 post 上 facebook。
而有 D 人，又真係成日 post 相上 facebook。

作者: nintendo 時間: 16-2-15 12:42

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其實多 D 觀察，不難發現，越是叻的小朋友，越是可以中英兼顧。
例如本地名校，不少是英文水平十分高的。
又例如 ESF，也有不少小朋友中文水平十分高；我是說真正自小讀 ESF 的學生，不是由本地學校轉去的插班生。
當然，唔係個個小朋友都有能力中英都好，亦有家長誤以為，只要小時候唔比小朋友用中文，佢英文必定好。
但呢個誤解，我身邊已有實例證明係錯。
家長一味沉醉自己 create 的全英文世界，但又唔行出去看看現實。
當發覺自己小朋友中文水平大落後，但英文水平又唔見得比人優，己是恨錯難返之時。
還有，最無謂係數 chinese vs mixed vs non-chinese kids 人數？
chinese kids 多一定差 D？一定好 D？定係只係家長心目中的錯誤假設？
建議看看 facebook 老闆和佢太太的農曆新年 video，佢太太係華人，但普通話明顯係老公講得好 D。
有時 D 嘢，唔好太多假設。
我仔女已經大晒，如果可以再選，ISF 的模式是十分好的。
當然，唔一定個個應付得到，感覺上較精英制，因此正如上面說，年年有人走唔奇。
其實 IS 去到中學正常都年年有人出國，冇人走反而先係奇，先係大家口中 " 唔夠 international " ----- 個個 100% 本土人士，莫說中學，連大學都唔會去外國。

作者: fatcni 時間: 16-2-15 17:30

I am ISF parent and I also realised ISF focuses so much on Chines and the teachers are quite strict. I can feel so after my child admitted to this school but I think it has its good side. The teachers are strict as they have high expectation on children. teachers have set some targets and wish students can achieve. And the targets are reasonable for me. When the teachers are strict, students may know the seriousness of doing that things. Though the teachers are strict, they are friendly and helpful.
Each school has its character, no the best or the worst, should find one which suit your children best. In the very beginning I planned my child to other other IS, we were in wait list and finally we chose ISF. But not I think ISF fit much about our family. So no matter ISF or SIS, it's not a matter, please see which one best suit your family value and culture. Good luck!

作者: annie40 時間: 16-2-15 17:54

To be honest GSIS is quite strict in comparision with other IS. Overall students are disciplined and well behaved. Some people like it, some don't. That is it.

作者: annie40 時間: 16-2-15 18:13

so delighted to see such sensible discussions. credit to all moms.

作者: lyyshore 時間: 16-2-15 18:54 標題: 回覆：annie40 的帖子

Dear all, thank you so much for all the colours to help me believe my choice is right for the kid. In the process, I also better understand what matters to the family the most.

作者: mafoonfoonyan 時間: 16-2-15 19:14

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Whats the decision?

作者: 964000 時間: 16-2-15 20:37 標題: 引用：Dear+all,+thank+you+so+much+for+all+the+

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作者: KarenKang 時間: 16-2-15 21:14

ISF用繁體中文. 懂繁體中文將來應用簡體並不難. ISF的學生普通話都說得非常流利. 越高年級(高小開始), 孩子的PLAYGROUND LANGUAGE多數是英文, 但中英文雙語都能非常靈活轉換. 初小70%中文, 到高中80%英文教學. 由於現代科學都是源自英語, 用英語吸收大部份知識較直接, 也容易涵接外國名校. 就算將來選擇在外國定居, 由於很多跨國企業都與中國有業務來往, 懂中文及有較深層次中國文化的人才十分吃香.
ISF學生的閱讀能力都很強, 閱讀氣氛十分良好. 很多初小就看HARRY POTTER了. ISF有中國人注重的的紀律(有人覺得嚴), 也有西方人的自由開放思想. 中英雙語能讓孩子將來看的世界更闊更大.
不會說ISF老師十分十美, 但都很樂意及用心跟家長溝通.

每個人的選擇都不同, 若學校是適合某些家長的取向, 就是好學校.

作者: annie40 時間: 16-2-15 21:59

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順道分享是除了看家長的文化取向，亦可考慮孩子的性情和性格發展。ISF準備成立時，曾打算報名譲孩子入讀，幾番思量，發現阿女是「郭靖」型性格，老實又鈍鈍地，如果由小一坐定定坐到十三班，實在有點嚇人，倒不如群下D「伯厭」小朋友，學下曳曳都好。反正好乖又唔會多讚，好曳又可以過骨，做人要學下轉膊。其實英式教育都「非常嚴謹」，系playground 玩到甩頭甩䯺無人介意，對老師說話必須有分吋兼尊重，再者部份英式生活習慣和小節，亦值得推祟，小學階段孩子普遍是非常有禮貌，非常的young ladies and gentlemen styles.
註：擔心女兒坐得過定是基於她的十分守規矩的性格，並非指ISF規範孩子要坐定定。

作者: Wallaby 時間: 16-2-15 23:11 標題: 回覆：ISF 和 SIS 大家会怎么考虑？

Iyyshore, Understand the result is not out yet but good luck and all the best to your admission decision. It would always be good to have the happy problem if you were able to choose the school you want.

作者: HulkBuster 時間: 16-2-16 17:01 標題: 回覆：ISF 和 SIS 大家会怎么考虑？

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I am not familiar with the culture at SIS but another factor which prospective ISF parents may wish to consider is the student/parent mix at ISF. From my own observation, I would say around 60+% are mainlanders/Taiwanese families (not the 土豪 type but well-educated professionals/bankers). Most ISF parents (including local HK ones) are pretty well off (typically new money) who dote on their kids. Birthday parties at AMC, travelling on business class+holidaying multiple times a year, drivers, etc. are the norm/basic essentials for ISF kids. I have heard friends saying that they consider this a plus as kids could network/connect with wealthy 富二代 which would be an advantage as they grow up when these childhood friends become useful business connections. I, however, find this a bit troubling as I am not sure it is good for young kids (who are not mature enough to see through all these materialistic stuff) to grow up in that kind of unrealistic/distorted environment.

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 16-2-16 17:11

HulkBuster 發表於 16-2-16 17:01
kids could network/connect with wealthy 富二代 which would be an advantage as they grow up when these childhood friends become useful business connections ...

That's a long term goal for sure, but in the nearer term the parents may also network/connect through their kids with other parents for more immediate gains, that's probably a bigger attraction.

作者: Riesling 時間: 16-2-16 18:40 標題: 回覆：ISF 和 SIS 大家会怎么考虑？

My friend's relative hs the exact intention mentioned in the above threads, if that's the main motive, it's sad......

作者: HulkBuster 時間: 16-2-16 20:05

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Riesling 發表於 16-2-16 18:40
if that's the main motive, it's sad...

Not sure about the sad part but as commented by other parents above, prospective parents need to understand what they want for their children and their families and what they are in for to avoid disappointment.

作者: tingtingting 時間: 16-2-16 20:57 標題: 回覆：ISF 和 SIS 大家会怎么考虑？

本帖最後由 tingtingting 於 16-2-16 21:18 編輯

I've been an ISF parents for some years and let me add my two cents. There are parents in every top or most exclusive/expensive schools, local or international, be it SP Co-ed, DGS, GSIS, CIS, HKIS, ISF... who care a lot about making connections early, staying close to big $$$ etc etc. There is indeed a line of Bentley, Maybach and LR outside ISF every morning but you can also see Subaru, Honda and Suzuki. I can testify that not all ISF parents belong to the privileged class. As a matter of fact, around 15-20% of the ISF parents are paying half or no fee at all. And, you know what, kids on subsidy are never, I repeat, never, ever stigmatised at ISF. The school treats 馬化騰's daughter and a janitor's son absolutely equally (trust me, there is a janitor's son at ISF) and the two kids can play cheerfully together. This is what make me think ISF is a great school. A school of principles: 正體字 is worth the efforts, it's distinctively stupid not to learn both English and Chinese well in this place where east meets west, there are goods and bads in Chinese/Western and you need to know them both ... Show me a school that emphasises so much on the beauty of Chinese calligraphy and gives the teachers liberty to fully reveal the dark side of the cultural revolution, and I will eat it. I have lived in three continents and have yet come across a more balanced school. Not everyone can appreciate the beauty of ISF and not everyone deserves it.

作者: HulkBuster 時間: 16-2-16 22:57

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Hohoho, if I had not read your posts before, I would have thought you were Jo-Ann...

Well, back to your point about 15-20% of ISF students receive subsidy from the school, that would make 3-4 kids per class receiving subsidy.  I am pretty sure that is not the case - well, at least not for our year.

I am sure there are a few exceptional cases at ISF but my point is when there are birthday parties at AMC/Beas River/HK Golf Club/HK Country Club almost every weekend and majority of the kids would go away on holiday almost every school holiday, would kids from underprivileged families be comfortable not being able to share similar experiences with their friends?  We cannot expect kids that young to have the wisdom to understand they are just there to receive good education and it does not really matter what their friends do after school.

ISF has a very good curriculum but it is not a school that is suitable for everyone.  As I said before, prospective parents should think about what they want for themselves and their kids and not only whether ISF is suitable for them but also whether they are suitable for ISF.

作者: tingtingting 時間: 16-2-16 23:10 標題: 回覆：HulkBuster 的帖子

You're absolutely correct that birthday parties at AMC/Beas River/HK Golf Club/HK Country Club are common. But, I did along side with other parents sponsored a gathering at Pepperlunch not long ago.

作者: tingtingting 時間: 16-2-16 23:14 標題: 回覆：ISF 和 SIS 大家会怎么考虑？

I do agree that ISF (and IB generally for that matter) is not suitable for everyone.

作者: HulkBuster 時間: 16-2-16 23:15

tingtingting 發表於 16-2-16 20:57
you can also see Subaru, Honda and Suzuki

Heehee, I mostly see 7-seaters with a chauffeur in the driver's seat along Kong Sin Wan Road every morning and afternoon...

作者: tingtingting 時間: 16-2-16 23:16 標題: 回覆：ISF 和 SIS 大家会怎么考虑？

At the risk of revealing who I am, I'm driving a Subaru.

作者: tingtingting 時間: 16-2-16 23:19 標題: 回覆：ISF 和 SIS 大家会怎么考虑？

Yet, I have to agree that the majority of ISF kids come from privileged families.

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 16-2-16 23:38

mafoonfoonyan 發表於 16-2-14 20:19
ISF是一所中國人的學校，學的是中國文化 ...

I missed this post ...

So I guess there is very little justification for the school to not implement 中國國民教育, I'm sure some will welcome it, some may not. In any case, another point to consider.

作者: tingtingting 時間: 16-2-16 23:52 標題: 引用：Quote:mafoonfoonyan+發表於+16-2-14+20:19

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原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 16-02-16 發表
I missed this post ...

So I guess there is very little justification for the school to not implemen ...

Ironically, those teachers from the mainland (as opposed to teachers from say Taiwan) are most critical of the Chinese Communist Party. A teacher cried in front of me for she had to go through back there. If there's such a quiz, I'm quite sure that the ISF kids in the senior school know best about 三反五反、四面紅旗 ... alongside 李白、辛棄疾.

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 16-2-17 00:03

tingtingting 發表於 16-2-16 23:52
Ironically, those teachers from the mainland are most critical of the Chinese Communist Party. A te ...

Good to have teachers who are critical. If and when the school could no longer justify itself for not implementing China's National Education, hope these teachers will remain critical and won't unnecessarily oblige.

作者: tingtingting 時間: 16-2-17 00:04

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Please don't take me as an ISF advocate (I'm not and, for record, I'm not Jo-Ann) but I stick to my view that ISF is more balanced and global than most so-called "international schools" (please don't get me argue why a school with students who tend think things Chinese don't belong to the international/global arena. I'm not that low).

作者: tingtingting 時間: 16-2-17 00:14

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FattyDaddy 發表於 16-2-17 00:03
Good to have teachers who are critical. If and when the school could no longer justify itself for no ...

I guess I'm the lucky one. I'm surrounded by my personal fitness trainer, 1st violinists in HK Phil, lead dancers in HK Ballets and a gifted painter (descendant of "Stone Lau") who have survived the China's national education. I'm hopelessly optimistic I know, and hope I remain so.

作者: HulkBuster 時間: 16-2-17 00:32

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The Jo-Ann thing was supposed to be a joke. My apologies...

What I am trying to say is prospective parents should consider not only ISF's unique curriculum but also its culture, the school's management style and parents' background. If all that matters is for your kids to build an excellent foundation in both English and Chinese (Mandarin + traditional Chinese characters) and your kids have the ability to master both languages without extra tuitions after school, ISF is not a bad choice. I know a number of ISF kids do take extra English and/or Chinese tuitions, so it kind of defeats the purpose of going to a non-local school...

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 16-2-17 00:34

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tingtingting 發表於 16-2-17 00:14
I guess I'm the lucky one. I'm surrounded by my personal fitness trainer, 1st violinists in HK Phil ...

China produces MANY brilliant people, how could there possibly not be? Even just by the laws of mathematics, there is a large base of 1.4 billion to choose from. How a sample is obtained though is another matter, and definitely off topic :)

作者: tingtingting 時間: 16-2-17 00:36 標題: 引用：回覆+tingtingting+的帖子 The+Jo-Ann+thi

原帖由 HulkBuster 於 16-02-17 發表
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The Jo-Ann thing was supposed to be a joke. My apologies...

Please don't apologise. I know it's a joke.

作者: HKTHK 時間: 16-2-17 06:27

Good discussion. Chinese teachers in general are stricter and have different behavioral or class room expectations. Anyone who has studied in both a LS and then an IS or abroad would know. Students know how to react to "stricter" Chinese teachers and also more "open minded" English and Western teachers. That is why the school is "bicultural" and not a single culture blending East and West. Kids know how to adjust accordingly when it is part of their daily life.

中華文化並唔等於國民教育，就好似愛國唔等於愛黨

作者: 964000 時間: 16-2-17 07:46 標題: 引用：Good+discussion.+Chinese+teachers+in+gen

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Good discussion. Chinese teachers in general are stricter and have different behavioral or class roo ...

May I ask how predominant are Chinese teachers or do they only take part in teaching Chinese language? Honestly to choose studying in IS, I do appreciate the western style of mindset in education more.

作者: 112200 時間: 16-2-17 10:13 標題: 回覆：ISF 和 SIS 大家会怎么考虑？

Just a sharing. From my experience i found SIS gives a quite well balance on creativity vs discipline . Children are given wide freedom on idea expression , writing and discussion on Eng, science, social studies...etc. For Chinese, although they need to write chinese word one by one, it can be well balanced by a creative and individual basis booklet design. Kids are motivated by themselves to draw many funny pictures and write in a funny way. SIS also hold 中國文化欣賞會for all major Chinese festival, telling the history and show how people celebrate in the past and nowaday. When talking about Parents, its not difficult to know most of SIS children are from well off families, but the way they arrange gathering or bday parties are quite humble as far as i know. They spend for kids'laughter,rather than show off. Children conversation usually about books, sports, games, jokes. They do influenced each other a lot on gd books recommendation, library is one of the popular place for them during recess or after lunch. Maybe other SI are simliar but just try to share under the subject about SIS.

作者: Riesling 時間: 16-2-17 10:29 標題: 引用：回覆+tingtingting+的帖子 The+Jo-Ann+thi

原帖由 HulkBuster 於 16-02-17 發表
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The Jo-Ann thing was supposed to be a joke. My apologies...

Hulkbuster, I can't agree more of what you are pointing out, it's indeed the overall consideration rather than a rigorous curriculum as kids spend most of the time in school under the influence by the culture surrounding them, including teachers, classmates and their parents... that how their values and personalities are shaped...Once again, different people make different choices, no right or wrong!

作者: 964000 時間: 16-2-17 10:35 標題: 引用：Just+a+sharing.+From+my+experience+i+fou

原帖由 112200 於 16-02-17 發表
Just a sharing. From my experience i found SIS gives a quite well balance on creativity vs disciplin ...

Thanks that seems an ideal education for my kid but without a foreign passport, it's so difficult to get in

作者: yyevita 時間: 16-2-17 10:39

These days running a school also should be client oriented. ISF must be well researched before they launched the curriculum. Madarin, traditional chinese, English enviroment, IB program, which all meet the majorities parent's needs in this jurisdiction. The only thing I am concerned is can this particular curriculum run well since they do not experience before, and education is more complicated than what you imagined.

作者: Riesling 時間: 16-2-17 10:46 標題: 回覆：tingtingting 的帖子

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作者: Riesling 時間: 16-2-17 10:50 標題: 回覆：964000 的帖子

964000, indeed Sis is what 11200 described! However, given that Singaporeans have absolute priority and there are lots of them out there, it's super hard to get in! However,I know there are still kids with no priorities at all got in, so do try if u really like, good luck!

作者: caa 時間: 16-2-17 12:32

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作者: nintendo 時間: 16-2-17 12:45

Riesling 發表於 16-2-17 10:46
Having more and more kids of senior Chinese govt officials and local tycoons getting in, I doubt the ...

Curious why you believe ISF would not work for other children just because it did not work out for your family?
I am not ISF parent but just curious why you seem to want to persuade everyone?
I feel sorry for your bad experience. I am glad you are in a better school (in your view) now.
And what is more important than getting in the school you really like?
You point has been made and that is appreciated. And why not let parents decide whether ISF is good.
Your quoting 陳茂波 case is pointless. There is only one case like that even at CIS. How can you say that it would happen at ISF as well?
I am sorry if ISF has given you bad experience. But dragging on like that is starting to look..... well...... quite ugly.... to be honest.

作者: Riesling 時間: 16-2-17 12:45 標題: 回覆：caa 的帖子

Omg, I didn't know it, thx for the infor! More research apart from the school website can make a big difference in the decision making!

作者: Riesling 時間: 16-2-17 12:54 標題: 回覆：nintendo 的帖子

I just wanted to express my view but not persuade anyone to do anything, that's why I mentioned that's only a problem threw but not a challenge and stressed that was my personal view. Stopping me from expressing my view but tried to turn the discussion /opinion expression to an argue, that makes you ugly actually. That's also one of the reasons I like international schools, open minded and open discussion is encouraged but not defeated.

作者: nintendo 時間: 16-2-17 13:29

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What does the case of 陳茂波 has to do with this discussion?
You THINK it may happen at ISF? But how about SIS? ESF? ICS? Or even SPCC? DGS? And the list goes on?
You have not only shared facts, but hinted things that may happened at a school.
And that is what I think made you ugly.
I have never STOPPED you from sharing facts and views.
What I have said is that you not HINTING anything.Being open minded is not like that.
And how is that ugly.
Anyway. You have made you point. I know you really hate ISF so much.
No more interest in this discussion.

作者: Riesling 時間: 16-2-17 13:42 標題: 回覆：ISF 和 SIS 大家会怎么考虑？

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Let me say it once again, I didn't say and also don't hate Isf, just respond my view to the question raised by Ivyshore in the first place. There is no best school but just a school best fits your kid.

One thing I agree with you, i.e. I have no interest in this discussion when it becomes personal.

作者: 21Ckid 時間: 16-2-17 14:38

有時仇恨真係難以明白，呢位家長印象中一講弘立就跳出來，同埋記得佢講過被弘立reject,但唔知點解又神通廣大到最終又入到。

我對弘立冇乜好感，但上岡上缐到什麼陳戍波，senior chinese officials, tycoons....... 其實係咪唔like大陸人、有銭人、高官etc. 係就上高登搵同志，唔使禍及學校。

作者: HulkBuster 時間: 16-2-17 15:21

I really don't understand why some users here who are not ISF parents and have no intention or interest in sending their kids there would keep reading and making comments on threads regarding ISF. The funny thing is, these comments usually have nothing to do with ISF itself but instead are comments about other people's comments...

作者: canteen31 時間: 16-2-17 15:28

Full disclosure first, I have applied for ISF kindergarten year 1 for my child, and if I am offered a place, I will most likely take it.

I guess since ISF is quite a unique school with little track record, parents certainly have a lot of concerns, especially those Rielings has addressed.

I appreciated Rieling sharing her experiences with newbie moms like us, the school didn't suit his son and she had to hunt for new schools - which I could imagine is very stressful given the keen competition in International schools nowadays.

My views on ISF is....it's a risky school, just like investments, high risk comes at high rewards! Parents must calculate the risk, rewards and downsides to studying in this school, or have a backup plan if things don't go according to your expectations!

Do I have a backup plan....kind of! hahahaha.....

作者: 964000 時間: 16-2-17 15:42 標題: 引用：Full+disclosure+first,+I+have+applied+fo

原帖由 canteen31 於 16-02-17 發表
Full disclosure first, I have applied for ISF kindergarten year 1 for my child, and if I am offered ...

I think I have applied the same schools as you, may I know what is your back up plan? Attending 2 kinders?

作者: canteen31 時間: 16-2-17 16:21

964000 發表於 16-2-17 15:42
I think I have applied the same schools as you, may I know what is your back up plan? Attending 2 ki ...

No way! Play and rest is an important ingredient to a childs' development! We hold european passport, we can always go back if things don't go accordingly. In addition, we already have a place in Woodland, which she likes a lot. ISF is a almost a through train school, it saves some hassle, but if they don't offer us a place, it's fine, we choose them and they choose us.

作者: ikerberg 時間: 16-2-17 16:28

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Exactly, my three kids (local HK people) without any priority got all accepted in the past few years.
PY1 for academic year 2016-17 will have one more class, i.e. 20 seats more.

In the past, for 5 PY1 classes of 100 seats, if 80 seats were reserved for Singaporeans, 20 seats would be left for open competition.

Assuming there are same number of Singaporeans in AY2016-17, i.e. 80 seats, there will be totally 40 seats left for open competition for PY1 in AY2016-17, i.e. 100% increase in seat / chance.

Waiting list offers will be released from March to August. So, good luck to every one!

[by the way, aside from many good aspects I love about SIS, I in particular like the way that most rich parents would keep themselves humble / low key..... showing off is a rare phenomenon and seems generally rejected (if not despised) in SIS culture.

作者: 964000 時間: 16-2-17 18:44 標題: 引用：回覆+Riesling+的帖子 Exactly,+my+three+

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Exactly, my three kids (local HK people) without any priority got all accepted ...

I like this culture, it's similar culture to ICS too. My Friend from another renown IS said she needs to buy a few hermes bag to get herself "equipped"

作者: rabbypiggy 時間: 16-2-17 22:19

I think if someone would need to equip herself with a few hermes bag to feel more comfortable, that's probably not the problem of the school.
sometimes i think that parent's mentality and values have greater influence on the kids than their peers in school.

作者: annie40 時間: 16-2-17 22:40

認識高中的ISF家長，全部友善humble, 還落力地互相為孩子們搵intern, 當中不乏跟名醫，名人學習。其實很想問大家，究竟有多少寶貴個案是證明ISF家長很高竇，還是外面人老是猜想他們十分「高竇」而已！

作者: 112200 時間: 16-2-18 00:05 標題: 回覆：ISF 和 SIS 大家会怎么考虑？

Come on。。。。 lets move on to other area while i dont think conclusion can be drawn on the 'parent' discussion。 I originally have typed more on SIS approach of non-academic， but the post was disappeared。SIS encouraged children to be independent ，i am not sure in other school but when you know how do their swiming teacher train them up ， you may thinkits a bit tough。 They are requested to wash ， change， and dry their hair in 5 min 。 trainer count down in front of the changing room， its fun to see kids was pulling up their pant when they ran to the hair dryer。Besides， SIS curriculum covers moral educational and a course called mindup since preparatory years，which teaches kids how to clear their mind through silent sitting facilitated by teachers。 i heard that children can be able to understand their gd and bad behaviour associated to the brain function。Not to write too long which may be annoying， i just pick two points to share in here。

作者: leetai838 時間: 16-2-18 00:13

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1 - 以我的10年經驗，我衹遇過2位我覺得是有一點點看不起人的家長。但這是個人修養的問題，與孩子上什麽學校無關。與有沒有錢更無關。
2 - 這裏有很多不是ISF家長的人衹靠自己想象和道聽途說就以專家口吻說ISF這里不好哪裏不好。這對學校不公平。對有心想入這校的家長更不公平。個人覺得，這些偏見大多帶點酸葡萄的味兒，而且資料大多是不正確的。
3 - ISF其實是有自己的問題的，但不是外人或衹讀過一兩年的人可以看出來的。不過公平點，那間學校沒有問題呢？

我對ISF有很多的喜歡，也有很多的不喜歡。但説話還是要公道，這是個人修養哦。

p.s.順帶一提，有錢人的孩子不一定是無禮貌被寵壞的，有錢又是國内來的也不一定是態度差無修養的。至少我認識的很多是十年苦讀，拿獎學金放洋的貧學生，現在生活得好一點就被人說成是暴發戶，實在替他們不值。另外，有錢無錢也沒有定義的。我月入五萬，十萬，二十萬，一百萬，到那個水位才算有錢呢？我家庭有一千萬，一億，十億身家，到那個水平才叫有錢呢？這些大家心平如鏡時，誰不懂呢？心不平，氣不和地說酸話傷人，真正不開心的是自己不是別人哦。

作者: Wallaby 時間: 16-2-18 12:41 標題: 回覆：ISF 和 SIS 大家会怎么考虑？

Noticed that an particular ISF parent here had bad experience. They just do not like the school and need to hunt for the right school.

Just wonder if the boy has actually been given an offer by the preschool to the Academy? Or actually being rejected?

Just thought it is a very bold decision to make.

作者: 964000 時間: 16-2-18 12:46 標題: 引用：回覆+annie40+的帖子 1+-+以我的10年經驗

原帖由 leetai838 於 16-02-18 發表
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1 - 以我的10年經驗，我衹遇過2位我覺得是有一點點看不起人的家長。但這是個人修養 ...

請問你也可以share下ISF有甚麼缺點或可以改善的地方讓大家brainstorm下嗎？

作者: annie40 時間: 16-2-18 14:10

.順帶一提，有錢人的孩子不一定是無禮貌被寵壞的，有錢又是國内來的也不一定是態度差無修養的。至少我認識的很多是十年苦讀，拿獎學金放洋的貧學生，現在生活得好一點就被人說成是暴發戶，實在替他們不值。
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可能香港家长唔钟意听, 自己认识的IS 国内家长, 全部是很和气, 有修养. 对朋友亦长情.

香港朋友批评国内家长不懂穿衣, 孩子又穿多衣, 穿错衣物等, 其实鬼老穿着更求其, 都没有被指指点点. 是我们的观点角度有偏差吗? 生活品味是很个人的事吧!

作者: leetai838 時間: 16-2-18 18:39

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a man's meat is another man's poison.
有很多家長話ISF太嚴, 但同時又有很多人話太聳.
有很多家長話ISF太多功課, 但同時又有很多話太少.
沒有人講大話, 但每個人把尺都唔同. 學校沒有好壞, 只有適合與否. 大家懂的.
學生拿5,6 個A,  30幾分是學校的功勞.  但拿10A  45 分是家長和學生自己的功勞呀!
大家選校時,除了語言, 請還多問問 teacher turnover, sutdent drop-off rates, management structure 等等.
雖然中學生提早出國已成風, 但 80% drop off 跟 20% drop off 必有背後原因哦. 這些 rates 也可以跟 similar schools 比較.

順帶一提 :  在這裡有很多家長選學校是基於該校的學生說英文"聼"起來很流利.  請想想,英國也有很多小朋友英文不合格的,但他們明明是  native English speakers 哦. 爲什麽呢?    請反過來想, 一個洋人想學好中文 (聼講寫讀) 見到個赤膊大叔講流利廣東話還加添助語詞, 便覺得他中文很好,找他做中文老師. 相同的荒謬.

我無心開罪任何人, 但學校對小朋友的將來有莫大的影響,  家長為英文來選校實在令人心疼.

作者: caa 時間: 16-2-18 19:16

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Judging from the small number of ISF graduates till now, its secondary dropout rate is really high. ISF and CKY were established around the same time but CKY already had graduates of 60 or 70 while ISF still around 20...

作者: 紅紅 時間: 16-2-18 20:05 標題: 回覆：ISF 和 SIS 大家会怎么考虑？

我覺得每次討論一些國際學校，都會講那間學校的有錢家長喜show off, 那間學校的家長很低調 ……

其實我覺得揸名車名貴手代袋不能代表show off, 揸日本車和衣著樸素也不一定是humble。人地揸乜車著乜係人地自由，咁人地屋企真係架架名車，唔通為咗顯得自己humble就專登買架日本車去送返學？其揸架 Lamborghini送返學只是個人喜好，又唔代表佢睇唔起人，最重要係待人接物態度。如果我地要以外表去label人地，其實也是看不起人的一種。

作者: 112200 時間: 16-2-18 22:07 標題: 引用：回覆+leetai838+的帖子 Judging+from+the+

原帖由 caa 於 16-02-18 發表
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Judging from the small number of ISF graduates till now, its secondary dropou ...

Are you serious? Only 20? Do you know at which level they usually drop out? Thanks

作者: 112200 時間: 16-2-18 22:08 標題: 引用：我覺得每次討論一些國際學校，都會講那間學

原帖由紅紅於 16-02-18 發表
我覺得每次討論一些國際學校，都會講那間學校的有錢家長喜show off, 那間學校的家長很低調 ……

其實我覺 ...

我想以上大家都係講梗待人接物喎！

作者: caa 時間: 16-2-18 22:40

112200 發表於 16-2-18 22:07
Are you serious? Only 20? Do you know at which level they usually drop out? Thanks

28 to be exact for number of 2015 graduates. Check out this thread:
2015 IB results

作者: poonseelai 時間: 16-2-18 23:24

caa 發表於 16-2-18 22:40
28 to be exact for number of 2015 graduates. Check out this thread:
2015 IB results

Only 71% of students obtained bilingual diploma seems to be on the low side given ISF's emphasis on both Chinese and English. Any particular reasons?

作者: caa 時間: 16-2-18 23:29

poonseelai 發表於 16-2-18 23:24
Only 71% of students obtained bilingual diploma seems to be on the low side given ISF's emphasis on ...

According to ISF's publication available on website 10 out of 28 took English B in 2015.

作者: caa 時間: 16-2-18 23:58

"does it mean not all bilingual diploma students took both Chinese and Eng A?"

I think so based on the figures. 35% took English B which means 65% took English A. 65% is less than bilingual percentage 71%, which means there must be some bilingual are not both English and Chinese A.

作者: 112200 時間: 16-2-19 00:44 標題: 引用："does+it+mean+not+all+bilingual+diploma+

原帖由 caa 於 16-02-18 發表
"does it mean not all bilingual diploma students took both Chinese and Eng A?"

I think so based on ...

Hi, do you if it is student's choice onEnglish A or B ?or school's choice? My impression, its default Eng A in SIS , therefore i thought it applys on all international school

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