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作者: hong0706 時間: 15-9-22 11:07 標題: CIS : languages

I attended the information session last week and there was a short presentation given by the head boy and head girl. The head boy said he started in CIS since reception, but i was a bit surprised that his english, while very fluent, is not native at all and retain quite a bit of HK accent, whilst his mandarin is simply appauling. The head girl instead said she was with CIS for only 3 girls and both her english and mandarin are quite native. Anyone knows where she is from? Also, is langugage environmnet in CIS not enough, or simply because boys aren't as good as girls in second languages?

Hope to know more from CIS parents, and from parents whose kids had spent quite some years in IS.

作者: hong0706 時間: 15-9-22 11:08

sorry, typo, i mean the head girl has been with CIS for only 3 years

作者: Riesling 時間: 15-9-22 15:57 標題: 回覆：CIS : languages

No surprise, many brilliant students changed to Cis in yr 5 or 6 from top int schools every year, as CIS is renowned of its university placement.

作者: eng_f_f 時間: 15-9-22 17:06

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作者: caa 時間: 15-9-22 17:46

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Actually would you mind sharing the quality of their presentation other than accent?

作者: Caliburn2015 時間: 15-9-22 17:46

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作者: hong0706 時間: 15-9-22 18:51

Riesling 發表於 15-9-22 15:57
No surprise, many brilliant students changed to Cis in yr 5 or 6 from top int schools every year, as ...

The head boy is home grown since reception. In fact, he also misused tenses and mix up do/does at least 1-2 times.

作者: hong0706 時間: 15-9-22 18:58

caa 發表於 15-9-22 17:46
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Actually would you mind sharing the quality of their presentation other than a ...

Their presentations were both very short, 2-3 minutes each i guess, nothing new, other than say how great CIS is....

The principal's presentation was also nothing much more than you can see on web site. It lasted only 45 minutes. She said in last few years about 600-800 applications were received each year, and they will select candidates for interview (did not say how many). Interview to be held from Dec to Feb and results out by March.

But since you need to fill out that very detailed 8 pages questionnaire and in that questionnaire you need to tick which date you attend the presentation （and they have record of it)， so you do need to go.

作者: caa 時間: 15-9-22 19:39

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Actually I mean quality, but not content, of their presentation or public speaking, whether they as students were confident, were nervous, had good eye contact etc when speaking in front of public

作者: hong0706 時間: 15-9-22 20:06

caa 發表於 15-9-22 19:39
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Actually I mean quality, but not content, of their presentation or public spea ...

The girl was much better. But both were a bit nervous with exaggerated hands and arms movements and the boy's speech had been in quite a rush towards the end. But then, they were presenting in front of close to 200 parents, not students. Having said that, bit disappointed about the head boy, who had been home grown in CIS. Of course, he might have other qualities other than public speaking.

作者: hong0706 時間: 15-9-22 20:07

Also, girls are usually better in public speaking than boys.

作者: 4eyesDad 時間: 15-9-22 20:26 標題: 回覆：hong0706 的帖子

I would venture to guess that the head boy will eventually work in his father's company where naive language skill, or any skill for that matter, is not mandatory whereas the head girl has to work hard to prove herself.

作者: NoahArk 時間: 15-9-22 20:30 標題: 引用：Quote:Riesling+發表於+15-9-22+15:57+No+s

原帖由 hong0706 於 15-09-22 發表
The head boy is home grown since reception. In fact, he also misused tenses and mix up do/does at le ...

So what? If you don't have anything better to do, count the grammatical errors and wrong spellings in your own writing.

作者: hong0706 時間: 15-9-22 20:37

NoahArk 發表於 15-9-22 20:30
So what? If you don't have anything better to do, count the grammatical errors and wrong spellings i ...

That means his english is a bit below my expectation of someone in an IS for at least 13 years. Also, i don't need to count, because when such errors came up, you will know it. I didn't hear similar mistakes from the girls.

Also, as i said at the beginning, i just want to know how are kids' language skills in CIS are, and, are there really such notable differences between girls and boys having english or mandarin as second language from more expeirenced parents.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-9-22 21:29 標題: 回覆：CIS : languages

A highly regarded IS in HK picked a boy to speak in front of parents in an information session, it is about making an impression, a moment of truth, you would have thought they picked a boy with the "best" public speaking skill, right? May be yes, may be no. It does not matter much as the school has so much more to offer, right?

作者: lovecasey 時間: 15-9-22 22:18

Truth is not many cis parents here. They don't have time for this kind of discussion.

作者: Woojba 時間: 15-9-22 22:50 標題: 回覆：CIS : languages

I went there today, the boy was fine.

作者: Caliburn2015 時間: 15-9-23 10:21

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作者: caa 時間: 15-9-23 10:42

Caliburn2015 發表於 15-9-23 10:21
究竟是有人未識分辨優劣，還是有人過於挑剔？

likely the former as he didn't count his own grammar mistakes...

作者: cowmoon 時間: 15-9-23 11:21

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I attended a local elite school where we did incredibly huge amount of grammar exercises.
Once, my boss was a British. His writings, memos, notes, ... were not exactly perfect in grammar. Then I noticed that ... NO ONE CARES.
After that, I further studied in graduate school. My American professor used dictation function to "write" his emails etc. Again, quite a lot of grammar mistakes. Then I noticed that ... NO ONE CARES.
It reminds me - Language is for communication.

作者: hong0706 時間: 15-9-23 11:25

I think it is up to you to believe it or not, or you can choose to go to see for yourself.

Anyway, the boy is ok but we are talking about CIS and I do expect more. Also, compared with the girl, the difference is significant, in particular in mandarin. It is very surprising to see this from a school with so much emphasis on chinese and mandarin..

Anyway I am genuinely looking for information from CIS parents, or in fact any other IS parents who have kids with IS for many years.

作者: poonseelai 時間: 15-9-23 12:21 標題: 引用：I+think+it+is+up+to+you+to+believe+it+or

原帖由 hong0706 於 15-09-23 發表
I think it is up to you to believe it or not, or you can choose to go to see for yourself.

Anyway, ...

我一路看網友回覆一路想笑, 或者每人要求和期望不同, 我想若我去聽我也会對CIS有較高期望, 因普遍評論亦認同它是一所出色的学校，正如有網友説CIS家長都不會來EK, D回覆看過便算, 不必認真。

作者: Caliburn2015 時間: 15-9-23 12:48

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作者: licpd 時間: 15-9-23 13:08

4eyesDad 發表於 15-9-22 20:26
I would venture to guess that the head boy will eventually work in his father's company where naive ...

Then there are more serious things to worry about other than the English standard of the school.

作者: lovecasey 時間: 15-9-23 13:37

the only thing to worry is how to get in...

作者: Caliburn2015 時間: 15-9-23 14:10

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作者: samsam123321 時間: 15-9-23 14:12

Caliburn2015 發表於 15-9-23 14:10
考CIS不太難，有啲IS仲難。

有無例子？

作者: lui 時間: 15-9-23 15:09 標題: 引用：Quote:lovecasey+發表於+15-9-23+13:37+the

原帖由 Caliburn2015 於 15-09-23 發表
考CIS不太難，有啲IS仲難。

CIS難在唔係個個有得in

作者: Caliburn2015 時間: 15-9-23 15:20

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作者: 964000 時間: 15-9-23 16:34 標題: 引用：I+think+it+is+up+to+you+to+believe+it+or

原帖由 hong0706 於 15-09-23 發表
I think it is up to you to believe it or not, or you can choose to go to see for yourself.

Anyway, ...

I believe in you, I have heard similar comments before from previous years.

作者: Sc21 時間: 15-9-23 22:49 標題: 引用：Quote:Caliburn2015+發表於+15-9-23+14:10+

原帖由 samsam123321 於 15-09-23 發表
有無例子？

I always thought CIS is the most competitive.....
Which one is more difficult?

作者: picture 時間: 15-9-24 09:33 標題: 回覆：CIS : languages

If it doesn't feel right, don't send your children there.

Believe in your gut feeling.

There are many other top IS in HK.

作者: samsam123321 時間: 15-9-24 10:41

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del.

作者: samsam123321 時間: 15-9-24 10:47

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del..

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-9-24 19:21 標題: 引用：但想起波叔，會不會内裹都好似波叔咁樣？

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但想起波叔，會不會内裹都好似波叔咁樣？

點為之內裏好似波叔咁？

作者: samsam123321 時間: 15-9-24 20:06

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shadeslayer 發表於 15-9-24 19:21
點為之內裏好似波叔咁？

即del.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-9-24 20:13 標題: 引用：Quote:shadeslayer+發表於+15-9-24+19:21+

原帖由 samsam123321 於 15-09-24 發表
即係各家長們好似波叔，小朋友事要大家理。

個別家長的事不能上剛到全校係咁。同楊X琪孩子入學整 cheap 間學校一樣。

作者: samsam123321 時間: 15-9-24 20:21

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shadeslayer 發表於 15-9-24 20:13
個別家長的事不能上剛到全校係咁。同楊X琪孩子入學整 cheap 間學校一樣。

...

del.....

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-9-24 22:33 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+samsam123321+於+15-9-24+20:2

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我無內幕資料。平均分差2分已差好遠。香港lB校，今年最高分同最低分只差7分左右。如果唔計最高個間同最低個間，絶大部份學校平均分在5分多之間。

作者: nintendo 時間: 15-9-25 08:45

964000 發表於 15-9-23 16:34
I believe in you, I have heard similar comments before from previous years.

I heard similar comments before too. Some also from here in EK.

作者: nintendo 時間: 15-9-25 09:06

The boy had the chance to do the presentation probably only because he was a head boy. Head students were usually chosen (voted) by students and not by the school.
Then you may wonder, if the head boy has very flawed english, why let him do the presentation?
I cannot say for CIS, but that is the culture of most IS.
May be local elite schools would hand pick students to do these tasks, most IS would just let things flow along like it would be.
CIS is not a school where no chinese is used at school. There are a lot of local chinese families that put children in international schools. Even at ESF, with very strict policies that hinder non-native english families entering the system, parents can get around with these policies and there are lots of students that are not native english speakers.
So may be parents should stop fantasising that students at IS are perfect.

作者: 964000 時間: 15-9-25 10:36 標題: 引用：Quote:964000+發表於+15-9-23+16:34+I+beli

原帖由 nintendo 於 15-09-25 發表
I heard similar comments before too. Some also from here in EK.

I heard from a real friend directly. But I won't take it too seriously. I don't expect that a headboy must be the most presentable one, 又不是選香港小姐。Moreoever I think many people tend to deify these top schools with over expectations and imagination.

作者: nintendo 時間: 15-9-25 10:53

964000 發表於 15-9-25 10:36
I heard from a real friend directly. But I won't take it too seriously. I don't expect that a headbo ...

I have very little expectations from head students, to be honest. However, I do believe they probably have the charisma and attract fellow students voting.
Every now and then, we see parents challenging the specific ability of a certain student. I would say that the quality of one or even two or three students can hardly represent the general quality of students.
Like I said, head students are not school chosen. And usually IS are not too concerned if they show the so-called "no so good" part of their school. So we always see students that are not exactly very good in sports teams, or competitions representing the school. In this case, they have allowed this boy to speak in front of outsiders.
In local schools, the school would have hand picked the best students to do this job.

作者: Qso 時間: 15-9-25 11:14 標題: 引用：The+boy+had+the+chance+to+do+the+present

原帖由 nintendo 於 15-09-25 發表
The boy had the chance to do the presentation probably only because he was a head boy. Head students ...

Well said

作者: lui 時間: 15-9-25 14:37 標題: 引用：Quote:964000+發表於+15-9-25+10:36+I+hear

原帖由 nintendo 於 15-09-25 發表
I have very little expectations from head students, to be honest. However, I do believe they probab ...

True. In IS, one is able to join the school team of whatsoever as long as he or she wants. For my gal, she joins the school basketball team representing her school to have inter schools competitions. They didnt perform well indeed. But still, it's up to the student if she or he likes to join. This open the opportunity to every child who wants to do. I admire this culture as U will never see it happen in a local school. I understand the thread owner concerns why not the head boy of CIS speaks very good English. Maybe if there is a chance, check out other students from cis if they speak good English by observing at the school entrance during off school time. This is one of the possible and good way to feel it.

作者: nintendo 時間: 15-9-26 11:52

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I sometimes wonder when will HK parents be truly open minded?
Would a parent have similar concerns if the head boy was from France and had strong French accents (and flaws) in his English?
Hong Kong is an interesting place.

作者: oooray 時間: 15-9-26 12:14 標題: 回覆：nintendo 的帖子

其實愛比較係人之常情，不分中外。但開壇公審就好有特色。

作者: Jane1983 時間: 15-9-26 13:59

愛比較，係中外都有，鬼婆虎媽狠起來，一樣吾係講笑。

英文，好到一定程度就够，再比，就睇内容。IQ，高到過左一定的threshold，要更上一層樓，就睇EQ，personal skills，和有無想像力等……

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