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標題: Can schools influence student characters? 拔尖vs補底：如何選校？ [打印本頁]

作者: jolalee 時間: 14-6-12 01:18 標題: Can schools influence student characters? 拔尖vs補底：如何選校？

Do you think a school with strict discipline can help an active kid stay better focused, and an inquiry-based school help a shy child with better self-initiation? When choosing school, should this be taken into account? Should we look for a school that fits a child's own character, or one that helps 'balance out' the child? Parents with older children please share with us your experiences too. Thank you!

選校時，你會看看學校是否配合你孩子的性情嗎？你覺得不同類型的學校會否影響孩子成長時的性格發展，還是三歲已定八十？你會選擇一間與孩子性情吻合的學校（拔尖）還是一間令孩子在性情 / 學習上要多角度改變 / 適應的學校（補底）？孩子較年長的父母歡迎分享你的經驗！

作者: jolalee 時間: 14-6-12 08:15

本帖最後由 jolalee 於 14-6-12 08:18 編輯

My kid is a very active chap who's very inquisitive, talkative and creative. Compared with kids his age he cannot focus well and when faced with a difficult or repetitive task he would shun away from it.

My son is currently in K1. He has a strict teacher who requires strong compliance and order in the classroom. It did him a world of good. He learned to focus better and is able to follow rules in a classroom setting. The system he's currently in trains concentration really well and that's exactly what he needs. However i also noticed he is never really look forward to school, as the teaching style does not encourage creativity or communication as much, of which both he is good in.

For K2 he got into a through-train school which runs IB all the way from kindergarten to high school graduation. I have a feeling he would feel right at home with an inquiry based program, nurturing his strengths such as creativity and communication. However, i'm also worried his weaknesses will not be addressed in such an environment, and would run into trouble lacking good studying habits in the long run. I could still put him back into his existing system, which can go up to Primary 6, or apply for another through-train school which expect kids to be more compliant.

Between a school that fits the child well or one that helps with his weaknesses, how would you choose?

(p.s. I am not stating the school names because i don't want the schools' reputation to cloud judgement, although some friends here know which schools my child is in / is going to. To avoid confusion, yes, these are all International Schools.)

作者: picture 時間: 14-6-12 09:09 標題: 回覆：Can schools influence student characters

Go for inquiry based if you value creativity and origination of ideas.

Outspoken or not (Active or quiet), inquiry based learning train thinking skills.  Communication skills is another issue.

I have seen a happy, talkative, smart, self-assured 3 year old turn into a frightful, quiet, withdrawn 4 year old after one year of K1 in a famous local kindergarten.  She has been completely transformed from a confident little girl into a robot.

Despite I believe discipline is key to success, too much restriction and at too early an age would undermine a child's development.

作者: Ruby1219 時間: 14-6-12 09:28

i put my son into international schools from pre-school (now he is a secondary school student) although I think he could 'fit' well into local schools (given his personality being introvert, timid and obedient). And, I am glad that I had made a wise choice!
Despite him being rather quiet and introvert (I won't say he's shy, but he is not the out-going and talkative type), he did very well at school in terms of speaking out, doing drama and even presentations! His teachers always comment him as confident and participative, and talk at the appropriate times. And, I don't see that international schools mean lacking of disciplines. It is just very different in teaching and learning approaches.

作者: 紅紅 時間: 14-6-12 10:00 標題: 回覆：Can schools influence student characters

好難講，因為年紀太細，好多嘢是自己平時觀察佢下的結論，但係小朋友可以喺屋企同學校完全兩個樣。。。

我自己個女，表面性格同你仔差不多，她年紀比較小時（3yrs），我剛回香港，因visa問題不可正式返學，所以只可上playgroup興趣班，諗住佢咁like郁身郁勢，比佢上體操班。。。點知勁抗拒！（人人以為佢會鍾意）

之後比佢去art class, 親友都話：佢坐唔坐得定架！但又估佢唔到，佢又ok, 仲話好鍾意。

好啦，見佢成日聞歌起舞，我媽話佢跳舞老師有開兒童班（主要跳k-pop），比佢去學，又係唔鍾意。但一年後，佢自己又話想再學跳舞，原因係：因為我e+大個咗！

最近我又諗，都5yrs, 睇吓佢想唔想學楽器，我心目中諗比佢學Ukulele先，諗住好似活潑d啱佢d，點知佢係都要學Piano! 我d親友又係話：好悶架wor, 佢應該唔得架！
但上完幾堂，佢話好鍾意。。。

所以學校方面，性格因素都有，因為佢性格是越迫越差的人，所以主流學校唔得（已試過）一定要選IS，至於邊間IS, 我比較直接及現實，首先要affordable同accessible，之後就是講求『合眼緣』同『風水』，唔係迷信，冇真係去夾八字，只是有d地方，你去到會感覺到好舒服同自在，有d地方你會覺得好拘束周身唔聚財。我們選了3間學校，帶了女去其中兩間，一間佢冇抗拒，但又不是很雀躍，好indifferent的態度；另一間去完佢問我：聽日係咪可以再嚟？

作者: oooray 時間: 14-6-12 11:02

jolalee 發表於 14-6-12 01:18
Do you think a school with strict discipline can help an active kid stay better focused, and an inqu ...

A good school itself does not inspire your child. A good teacher does.
Every school has some good teachers and some "fair" teachers.
You can choose your dream school but you cannot choose the teacher, and you never know who is a good teacher beforehand.
Throughout these years I have met quite a number of class teachers for my children and i can tell you that meeting a good teacher is 100% by luck.
The most important point is how do parents communicate with your teachers. Sharing with your teachers about your child goodness and weakness really helps the teachers to help your child.
It is just my personal experiences.

作者: hay.hay.ma. 時間: 14-6-12 11:17

i put my children in international school because they are active kind of students. they are talkative and playful but the school never labelled them with negative names. on the contrary, they were praised for what they are. my talkative child was commented as reliable for she always spoke the truth or with kind words. the playful one was well liked because he always brought joy to the class. i can't imagine if they spent a great deal of time where they were asked to be someone else.

作者: Radiomama 時間: 14-6-12 11:26

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That's the point!

作者: hay.hay.ma. 時間: 14-6-12 11:28

by the way i think students of any personality should go to schools that cherish creativity. a student who knows what to ask is more important than knowing the answers.
i strongly believe that schools and parents are partners. if they teach different values or with different disciplinary methods, it will never do the child any good.

作者: poonseelai 時間: 14-6-12 11:28 標題: 引用：Quote:jolalee+發表於+14-6-12+01:18+Do+yo

原帖由 oooray 於 14-06-12 發表
A good school itself does not inspire your child. A good teacher does.
Every school has some good te ...

同意，好老師可遇不可求，遇到又未必留到，特別是lS的外籍老師，我細女今年7年班，她仍説最懷念3年班老師，他給學生好多鼓勵，可惜教了2年他走去Russia教。老師無得選選，只好選制度。我時常見家長問什麼性格適合國際或lB，是否可坐定定就可讀傳統，我也想不通是雞先定雞蛋先。我只想小朋友他日面對社會，什麼技能、知識可令她們生存容易D

作者: dcnmxw 時間: 14-6-12 12:26

poonseelai 發表於 14-6-12 11:28
同意，好老師可遇不可求，遇到又未必留到，特別是lS的外籍老師，我細女今年7年班，她仍説最懷念3年班老師， ...

非常同意 poonseelai 講, 呢樣好緊要:

"小朋友他日面對社會，什麼技能、知識可令她們生存容易D"

作者: jolalee 時間: 14-6-12 15:40

oooray 發表於 14-6-12 11:02
A good school itself does not inspire your child. A good teacher does.
Every school has some good te ...

So true! Thanks for your sharing. Sometimes different teachers like kids of different characters as well. Although most ppl like the well behaved quiet kids, there are those who enjoy chatting and teaching the more active and imaginative kids. I just hope my son will have some teachers through his school life who will appreciate him for who he is.

作者: Ruby1219 時間: 14-6-12 17:19

jolalee That's great. Is he is an IB school?

No, he is now in GSIS. used to be in Renaissance College for P1 -3

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 14-6-12 19:55 標題: 引用：Quote:poonseelai+發表於+14-6-12+11:28+同

原帖由 dcnmxw 於 14-06-12 發表
非常同意 poonseelai 講, 呢樣好緊要:
"小朋友他日面對社會，什麼技能、知識可令她們生存容易D"

但甚麽是將來要的技能是無人知的。只能大路的講語文呀，創造力呀，知識呀，等等。不足以選校。

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 14-6-12 19:58 標題: 引用：Quote:jolalee+發表於+14-6-12+01:18+Do+yo

原帖由 oooray 於 14-06-12 發表
A good school itself does not inspire your child. A good teacher does.
Every school has some good te ...

but the style of the school definitely affects the kind of teachers they hire, right?

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 14-6-12 20:05 標題: 回覆：Can schools influence student characters

i tend to think what kind of education i want my child to receive, then observe if she is doing ok.

作者: jolalee 時間: 14-6-13 00:10

Ruby1219 發表於 14-6-12 17:19
jolalee That's great. Is he is an IB school?

No, he is now in GSIS. used to be in Renaissance Col ...

How do find the IB curriculum compared with the German Int'l one?

作者: sharons 時間: 14-6-13 00:16

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Ruby1219 發表於 14-6-12 17:19
jolalee That's great. Is he is an IB school?

No, he is now in GSIS. used to be in Renaissance Col ...

小女性格跟妳兒子差不多, 請問可否分享如何考進 GSIS 及準備時間多久?

作者: jolalee 時間: 14-6-13 00:33

shadeslayer 發表於 14-6-12 20:05
i tend to think what kind of education i want my child to receive, then observe if she is doing ok...

Yes, that's the thing. I always wanted my child to receive Montessori education. (okay, i broke my own rule, but at least now we know which system i am talking about). He has been in a Montessori school since age 1, and he could continue with Montessori until primary graduation. However, i can tell already that he is doing fine and learning to cope as much as he can, but not yet a fish in his element. Since age 2 I find that he's an auditory learner, and would excel in an inquiry based program with more imaginative play. (Montessori is good for kinesthetic learner, like myself).

I guess my main question is, with a child who may have focus issues, it would be nice to put him in a school that trains a child in self-motivated concentration, but then, he may not do as well and enjoy school as much as he would in another one... So, given i'm moving him to an IB program, would he be missing out on concentration training?

作者: Ruby1219 時間: 14-6-13 07:39 標題: 回覆：jolalee 的帖子

他考進GSIS 是巧合。我們要從NT 搬到HK side,  所以P.3 時幫他找學校插班。 applied GSIS,  CDNIS, ESF.
ESF 一直waiting list, 等位interview.  CDNIS 因為個scholarship 要考新學年，GSIS 忽然話有位可以interview 先。得兩日通知。我亦從來不會預備什麼 (尤其是幼稚園和小學),  只跟他說了這學校很好，讓他有心機去interview.  但也有跟他說應該幾難考，有些朋友的小孩考不上，讓他不要太大期望。最後他幸運地考上了。
我覺得插班可能容易些，GSIS 的turnover rate 很高。 assessment的內容應該不是太難，最重要是英文要native speaking.  能聽、講﹑寫。

作者: Ruby1219 時間: 14-6-13 07:43 標題: 回覆：jolalee 的帖子

they dont use German curriculum, they follow the UK system. i think IB is a great curriculum, but very challenging and not every kid would be good at it. take my son as an example, he is a very Science-biased student, therefore he might not be able to excel in IB. but i bet he can do well in A level. therefore we are sending him to UK for Al level study instead (one of the reason why we opt for UK school for him)

作者: Jane1983 時間: 14-6-13 09:48

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想問吓Gsis的中文課程怎樣？每天都有中文堂嗎？語言方面，會否英文最重要，second language系德語、法語，中文系第三？

作者: Ruby1219 時間: 14-6-13 13:00 標題: 回覆：Jane1983 的帖子

their first language is English, then German. Chinese and French are third languages u can choose either one in secondary.

they only start having chinese lesson from primary 4, and of course no chinese lesson every day la, not even in secondary!

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 14-6-13 13:09 標題: 引用：their+first+language+is+English,++then+G

原帖由 Ruby1219 於 14-06-13 發表
their first language is English, then German. Chinese and French are third languages u can choose e ...

But the number of hours in German and Chinese is similar. And there is a near native class for Chinese mainly for kids transfer from local schools. So depends on the child.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 14-6-13 13:11 標題: 回覆：Can schools influence student characters

oooray But "Heart" is not shown in the resume... 發表於 2 小時前

Xxxxx

Of course, that is why there are interviews and probation. The employer/schools definitely have influence in choosing what kind of empliyees and teachers.

作者: Ruby1219 時間: 14-6-13 13:19 標題: 回覆：shadeslayer 的帖子

my son entered the set 1 class for chinese in year 7, 9x% of his chinese classmates are from local elite school. he found the chinese very challenging while his classmates found it easy. they were using primary 4 textbook from Beijing. then in year 8, the school separated the set 1 class into 2, my son was being downgraded to the second class

作者: jolalee 時間: 14-6-13 14:10

So i suppose for a family where studying Chinese in school is somewhat important (but not important enough to send the child into a rote learning education system), I guess GSIS primary is not a good choice? Perhaps going to another top school and if the child is bright enough, transfer to GSIS in secondary school if the family is somewhat interested in GSIS (but not interested enough to give up learning Chinese in school altogether)? This is a bit off topic but definitely interesting piece of info! thx! Must all kids learn German in GSIS secondary -- int'l stream? Is it possible to pick up from scratch at Year 7?

作者: Jane1983 時間: 14-6-13 14:20

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謝謝分享！

作者: jolalee 時間: 14-6-13 14:34

Ruby1219 發表於 14-6-13 07:43
they dont use German curriculum, they follow the UK system. i think IB is a great curriculum, but ...

Ruby you have a very interesting example here.

Your son is the quiet, introverted type but you picked RC, one of the freest IS in terms of the curriculum for him to beginning his primary school education (or earlier). Then upon moving after P3 you tried CDNIS & ESF (both are basically full IB) and he got into GSIS (UK system) in the end. Sounds like fate at work! ;)

If the Einstein-not-speaking-until-age-3 rumor is true, then we can suppose the introverted kids usually excel in science / math (subjects with definitely answers) whereas the chatty ones do well in the arts subjects (subjects with open-ended answers) -- Yes, this is a subject for debate ;)

May i conclude that in the beginning you tend to balance his character out a bit, but in the end he went into a school that suits his character and learning style better? Would you choose the same path for him in hind sight?

Given my child has poor concentration and is all over the place (for now, but he has improved a lot), would a stricter International School, say one with the UK curriculum, be better as a starting point and then transfer him to IB later on? (Of course this is all theoretical as we all know in HK it's the schools that choose the students most of the time)

作者: Ruby1219 時間: 14-6-13 15:39 標題: 回覆：jolalee 的帖子

u are right that it is fate at work!!
i did not think or plan much (comparing to. nowadays HK parents)  when picking schools for my son.
first,  i picked international school for him was because I despise the local education.  i myself was one of the victims (although i was also regarded as an elite) that i did not enjoy my education and i did not have confidence in myself.
i wanted my son to be happy and enjoy learning.  and i dont want to spend days and nights helping him on homework and exams (and i didnt have the time as i was at the hardworking mode in my career at that time),  that's why i had no choice but to choose international school.
then,  among international schools we did not have many choices too.  we only applied for schools in Kln and NT which did not require debentures (we were not that well off at that time),  so we only applied for ESF and RC and ICS).

in fact,  i was not conscious about whether it is IB or A Level at that time,  as it was too early to judge in primary school stage whether the kid would excel in which curriculum. and,  as said before,  i thought my son is quite flexible type that he can comply to whichever curriculum.  furthermore,  we do not have high expection on his academic performance so curriculum is not a major issue to us.

作者: Radiomama 時間: 14-6-13 19:03 標題: 回覆：Ruby1219 的帖子

To my understanding, GSIS offers IB program in secondary school now, right? But the students would also take IGCSE for their own good.

作者: picture 時間: 14-6-13 19:19 標題: 引用：u+are+right+that+it+is+fate+at+work!!++

本帖最後由 picture 於 14-6-13 19:26 編輯

原帖由 Ruby1219 於 14-06-13 發表
u are right that it is fate at work!!
i did not think or plan much (comparing to. nowadays HK pare ...

Thanks for sharing .

作者: Ruby1219 時間: 14-6-13 19:28 標題: 回覆：Radiomama 的帖子

gsis is now doing gcse then IB, apply to all students

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 14-6-13 22:11 標題: 引用：So+i+suppose+for+a+family+where+studying

原帖由 jolalee 於 14-06-13 發表
So i suppose for a family where studying Chinese in school is somewhat important (but not important ...

I tend to choose the best all round education for my child other than the average Chinese being x% better.

作者: Ruby1219 時間: 14-6-14 01:04 標題: 引用：So+i+suppose+for+a+family+where+studying

原帖由 jolalee 於 14-06-13 發表
So i suppose for a family where studying Chinese in school is somewhat important (but not important ...

they add one class by year 7. so, your assumption is viable, u can go to other schools for primary, then apply gsis for year 7, but u have to be very strong academically and in english. german is compulsory in secondary school, many new kids start German from scratch in year 7 but they are doing fine, of course u cant expect them to go to set 1 class in such case.

作者: jolalee 時間: 14-6-14 08:20

shadeslayer 發表於 14-6-13 22:11
I tend to choose the best all round education for my child other than the average Chinese being x% b ...

I'd agree for secondary we should choose a school with the best all round education (whatever that means for each family / individual child). For primary, however, I personally would choose an 8 point IS with decent Chinese over a 9 point IS with little Chinese. Of course, schools that emphasize rote learning with lots if homework is out of the question, or one that is way too weak academically. I guess this is when personal preference comes in.

作者: ahhaahha 時間: 14-6-14 11:56 標題: 引用：u+are+right+that+it+is+fate+at+work!!++

原帖由 Ruby1219 於 14-06-13 發表
u are right that it is fate at work!!
i did not think or plan much (comparing to. nowadays HK pare ...

thank you for your sharing, I think the same here!

and it has been a very good post!

作者: sharons 時間: 14-6-15 09:24

Ruby1219 發表於 14-6-13 15:39
u are right that it is fate at work!!
i did not think or plan much (comparing to. nowadays HK pare ...

可分享RC 跟 GSIS 的主要分別嗎? 小孩現在GSlS快樂嗎？傳聞說GSlS重學術成績，算比較谷的lS，妳同意嗎？

作者: Ruby1219 時間: 14-6-15 10:07 標題: 回覆：sharons 的帖子

其實我吾係好理阿仔的功課，加上佢響RC 只讀咗兩年，仲要係初小，and已經係6-8年前既RC...所以我諗我吾係好比較到，我既comments未必可靠。
我可以講到表面既分別係， RC 中文generally 應該強d,  每日有，用繁體字。若果中學入到GSIS set1 中文就可能強過RC 既average 程度。  英文同其他語文應該GSIS 強d.  GSIS 規定要學德文再加一個3rd lanuage (中文或法文).  阿仔一轉咗入GSIS 就話GSIS 程度高d,  尤其是數學。佢本來响RC 時都好開心無怨言，但去到GSIS 就話其實之前响RC 上堂有d 悶，尤其數學。仲有係RC 係thru train IB, GSIS 係Gcse then IB. 注意佢既IB 係2015先開始。亦因為咁好多而家高中既學生都會走，因為吾想做白老鼠。
至於谷吾谷，我會話GSIS 好acdemic,  吾注重ECA, 無乜sports games,  但我諗比起local schools,  我個仔讀得一d 都吾辛苦，甚至好輕鬆。 even 比起我朋友個仔讀CIS, 我個仔都好似無咁多功課同projects.  佢好鍾意GSIS, 尤其是一齊讀書6年既同學。不過呢兩年GSIS既老師同氣氛差咗。
重申，因為我個仔無讀過local school,  同埋我吾係好參與佢既學校功課同生活，所以我未必好答到你既問題。

作者: picture 時間: 14-6-15 10:36 標題: 引用：Quote:Ruby1219+發表於+14-6-13+15:39+u+ar

原帖由 sharons 於 14-06-15 發表
可分享RC 跟 GSIS 的主要分別嗎? 小孩現在GSlS快樂嗎？傳聞說GSlS重學術成績，算比較谷的lS，妳同意嗎？ ...

GSIS 過去幾十年來都是以學術超卓見稱！

作者: sharons 時間: 14-6-15 16:07

picture 發表於 14-6-15 10:36
GSIS 過去幾十年來都是以學術超卓見稱！

貴子弟也是GSlS學生嗎? 也可分享貴子弟於校內情況嗎？

作者: sharons 時間: 14-6-15 16:18

Ruby1219 發表於 14-6-15 10:07
其實我吾係好理阿仔的功課，加上佢響RC 只讀咗兩年，仲要係初小，and已經係6-8年前既RC...所以我諗我吾係 ...

再請教，如英丶普冇問題及有第三語言在手如西班牙文對考插班有冇優勢?因為不是法、德語

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 14-6-15 17:17

sharons 發表於 14-6-15 16:18
再請教，如英丶普冇問題及有第三語言在手如西班牙文對考插班有冇優勢?因為不是法、德語 ...

國際學校筆試多只考英文數學 (高中唔知係未一樣)。要求高的學校，英文要第一語言水平。有些國際學校學生考插班也肥英文。

作者: Ruby1219 時間: 14-6-15 21:10 標題: 引用：Quote:Ruby1219+發表於+14-6-15+10:07+其實

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再請教，如英丶普冇問題及有第三語言在手如西班牙文對考插班有冇優勢?因為不是法、德語 ...

Chinese and other lanuage not for admission. but as said, english is mandatory and they request native English level in speaking, writing and listening.

作者: picture 時間: 14-6-15 21:42 標題: 引用：Quote:picture+發表於+14-6-15+10:36+GSIS+

原帖由 sharons 於 14-06-15 發表
貴子弟也是GSlS學生嗎? 也可分享貴子弟於校內情況嗎？

不是，只是幾十年前D interschool competition 見識過幾間IS 的學生。當年巳覺GSIS 學生相當優秀。

作者: Ruby1219 時間: 14-6-15 23:11 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+sharons+於+14-06-15+發表貴

原帖由 picture 於 14-06-15 發表
不是，只是幾十年前D interschool competition 見識過幾間IS 的學生。當年巳覺GSIS 學生相當優秀。

...

我都係聽好多friends 話識得讀GSIS 既學生，一般都話佢地吾只smart, manner 亦好好，我當初就好有信心呢間學校值得讀。

作者: sharons 時間: 14-6-15 23:27

Ruby1219 發表於 14-6-15 21:10
Chinese and other lanuage not for admission. but as said, english is mandatory and they request n ...

英文應該不太擔心, 如考中文就死梗, 反而想知道G1 math會考咩範圍

作者: HIHinsurance 時間: 14-6-15 23:50

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GSIS 家長出現逃亡潮, 今年YR 13 最後一次, ALEVEL

第一年IB , yr 11 升上來yr 12 一級都走左二十幾人

有些父母太老定 . 我叫好多家長跳船

無人聽我講, 因為是低FORM 的家長 ,.要求學校由ALEVEL 轉IB

最攪笑, 是此班低FORM 家長, 當年要求, 轉IB 的家長

逃亡晒去英國

當年佢考GSIS, 考英文卷, 同數學卷

英文卷, 第一fail, 第二次才合格, 過關

學校製造讀書氣氛很重要

而家的GSIS 已經走向衰落, 入不到, 亦不需恨什麼

但反宜電子產品, 影響佢地讀書最多

好易打機打到走火入魔

最緊要, 不要選華人較高比例的學校

一多華人, 真係講廣東話

以後你就煩

間間國際學校, 教學差不多

愈大, 你就愈煩

今個SEM ,假期為例

CDNIS 個GRADE 11 某位IB 的老師

叫佢地, 假期自己睇

睇完, 返學就測驗........

我講緊HL options 的科...

根本, 佢地無人教, 點識.?

grade 10 前, 或year 11 前, 找到自己的理想

想做什麼

要找到理想, 在YEAR 11 ,要讀夠多科

在文藝方面, 要多著手

這方面, 國際學校, 遠較LOCAL SCHOOL 優勝

LOCAL SCHOOL 好多人仲混沌

最好, 不要俾學生點讀英文做SECOND LANG 考IGCSE 的學校.BAN

IB 多人讀LANG B 英文的學校, BAN

IGCSE 讀得少科的學校, BAN

太集中SCIENCE 的國際學校, BAN(要多元化)

很多華人的,BAN

返學講中文的,BAN

其實, ESF 都已經不錯, 只要你不選群埋講中文那班同學

通常這批同學, 在小六 LOCAL SCHOOL 讀

之後轉來英基, 識的朋友, 開始多中文

即佢地,在ESF, 最適合讀英文, 是在YR 7 前'
'
那些朋友, 就是講英文為主

作者: Ruby1219 時間: 14-6-16 00:23 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+HIHinsurance+於+14-6-16+00:0

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GSIS 家長出現逃亡潮, 今年YR 13 最後一次, ALEVEL

你d posts 好得意，鍾意用broken sentence, 我有時睇吾明。

作者: HIHinsurance 時間: 14-6-16 00:35

Ruby1219 發表於 14-6-16 00:23
你d posts 好得意，鍾意用broken sentence, 我有時睇吾明。

返工成日偷懶 ,上網

以前外國讀書, 返香港一少用., 英文好多都差晒

中文又差, 英文又差

我又無DOUBLE CHECK

結果成日詞不達意

講到尾, 其實GSIS 都係首選來

不過現在,只用來跳板

作者: jolalee 時間: 14-6-16 00:53

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Wow, that's quite a bit of up close information. Thanks! May I know if your kid(s)'s in GSIS / CDNIS / ESF or another Int'l school?

I heard from my friend too that GSIS is not good anymore, but her reasoning is that the kids need to do projects that are too difficult for them and hence the parents need to get involved. That just sound like the parents are putting too much on themselves and not letting the kids try things out. It sounded a bit like CDNIS as well, although learning by reading and being tested on it is part of the aim of developing life-long self-learners. Do you think CDNIS is also on a decline?

If you say IS with too many ethnic Chinese are not good, how about CIS? They still obtain top IB scores in terms of schools with the entire student body taking IB.

I do wonder how GSIS will do switching to IB for the final years, and if they intend to adapt to the MYP program in the future. I do expect a few years of hiccups but I trust that in the long run they will still go strong.

作者: jolalee 時間: 14-6-16 01:10

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HIHinsurance 發表於 14-6-15 23:50
"grade 10 前, 或year 11 前, 找到自己的理想... 文藝方面, 要多著手"

Can you further explain what you mean by that?
Personally I "found" my dream profession when I was 11 years old, worked towards it, got into the faculty in Uni, graduated with my professional degree, only to find that I hate working in that field. After two years I changed field, never went for my professional license, so I don't think teenagers really need to settle for what they want to do for the rest of their life too early. Of course, knowing one's own strengths and weaknesses, and working towards a certain goal is always a good thing....

作者: HIHinsurance 時間: 14-6-16 01:17

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jolalee 發表於 14-6-16 00:53
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Wow, that's quite a bit of up close information. Thanks! May I know if you ...

功課要父母參與?

點解我唔覺?　　

CDNIS 算好, 不過好多父母, 渣住加拿大藉

頭幾年IB後, 低FORＭ　父母驚, 轉左仔女走左去地利亞, 或者返加拿大

所以近幾年，　考入ＣＤＮＩＳ　已經相對較易

有一些大陸人來考，　又俾佢地考到，　佢地班大陸人仔女，返學唔敢膽講國語

ＣＤＮＩＳ　華人比例極高，　不過都算好，　同學都仲係講英文

CIS push 得好緊, 早期在DP 前, 都無乜野

DP 時, 一路測驗.... 不少人,MATHS, 由HL 跌落SL

SL 跌落STUDIES

整靚個grade

題外話，　ＣＩＳ　做ｐａｒｔ　ｔｉｍｅ　，　你ＣＩＳ　畢業的話，　

ＣＩＳ　老師暑假叫你返去幫手

８０蚊／小時．　一個月，　都賺到成萬蚊！

ＣＤＮＩＳ無ＤＥＣＬＩＮＥ，　表現平均

因為ＰＵＳＨ　得好勁

Ｄ功課真係好難

因為ＯＳＳＤ，　同ＩＢ　一次過

ＯＳＳＤ　起ＧＲＡＤＥ　１１，　ＩＢ　起ＧＲＡＤＥ　１２

要做２次ＴＯＫ／ＥＥ，　一次在ＧＲＡＤＥ　１１，　是俾ＯＳＳＤ　評分

平時測驗２個分，　１個分是ＯＳＳＤ，　一個分是ＩＢ　

最後一次，　就是在ＧＲＡＤＥ　１２做，　就呈上ＩＢ

實力較平均，ＣＤＮＩＳ　

　

作者: HIHinsurance 時間: 14-6-16 01:38

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jolalee 發表於 14-6-16 01:10
Can you further explain what you mean by that?
Personally I "found" my dream profession when I was ...

有一次，　英國一間排名不錯的中學校長來港面試

問了一條問題

問小朋友

知不知，　為何英國ＹＲ　１０－１１，　讀咁多科？

要學生，　讀ＳＣＩＥＮＣＥ，　歷史，　地理，　音樂，　體育，　外語，　經濟等

咁多科？

校長預期學生的答案就是，　讓學生，有機會接觸不同的科目，　找尋自己的興趣

興趣得三，兩樣者，　無理由，　乜鬼都係興趣

ＡＬＥＶＥＬ／高中／ＩＢ，　再選興趣讀

有一次，　ＬＡＷ　ＳＣＨＯＯＬ　的面試

中大　ＬＡＷ　，　一個是ＥＳＦ，　一個是ＣＤＮＩＳ，　一個是ＧＳＩＳ

ＣＤＮＩＳ，　ＥＳＦ的小朋友，　乞米咁乞學校老師，　整好ＰＲＥＤＩＣＴＥＤ　ＧＲＡＤＥ

推到６分，　夠分面試，　其實來面試都係應酬父母

所以面試時，　專登求其面試．．．．

被人迫自己不喜歡的事，　是很痛苦

痛苦的，　是兩代人

　

作者: jolalee 時間: 14-6-16 01:57

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Haha you know so much about these school so up close it is amazing!

"功課要父母參與? 點解我唔覺?"　　
I agree, i think it's just a helicopter mom talking, that's why brushed off the comment. It could be a primary section situation too, and perhaps a foreshadow of going IB?

"CIS push 得好緊, 不少人,MATHS, 由HL 跌落SL, SL 跌落STUDIES 整靚個grade"
So you mean the 38 DP average is due to students taking subjects at a lower difficulty level? But their University entrance seem quite okay...

"ＣＩＳ畢業　做ｐａｒｔ　ｔｉｍｅ, ８０蚊／小時．　暑假一個月，　都賺到成萬蚊！"
That's 125 hours within one month, = 31 hrs per week = 6+ hrs per day for 5 days. That's not too bad at all for a high school grad/ Uni kid ;)

"好多CDNIS 父母, 渣住加拿大藉, 頭幾年IB後, 低FORＭ父母驚, 轉左仔女走左去地利亞, 或者返加拿大"
From CDNIS to Delia? You must be kidding me!! Scared? Because of PYP being academically weak? Yes i have that worry too, but from other PYP parents (who are teachers themselves) i heard that by Primary 6, PYP kids going into GCSE has no problem at all...

"ＣＤＮＩＳ　華人比例極高"
Not anymore. Starting last year entrance into Reception: 70% non-Chinese. I heard they did it on purpose.
From existing parents: 30% Chinese, 20% other orientals (Korean, Japanese etc), 10% Indian, 40% Caucasian. Nice mix.

"ＣＤＮＩＳ無ＤＥＣＬＩＮＥ，　因為ＰＵＳＨ　得好勁, Ｄ功課真係好難, 因為ＯＳＳＤ，　同ＩＢ　一次過... 實力較平均"　
I had a friend with two sons, both graduated from University & working now. They went into CIS & CDNIS respectively around Grades 5-7. Why two schools? Because one of the boys did not have the grades to make CIS. From my friend i heard that CIS is all study study study, and the kids do find better Universities. However she likes CDNIS better for the well-rounded character molding. Perhaps this is old news? Is CDNIS very pushy now? Does kids still have time to do sports and enjoy life?

作者: jolalee 時間: 14-6-16 02:15

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HIHinsurance 發表於 14-6-16 01:38
有一次，　英國一間排名不錯的中學校長來港面試

問了一條問題

"讓學生，有機會接觸不同的科目，　找尋自己的興趣... 興趣得三，兩樣者，　無理由，　乜鬼都係興趣"
The interesting thing is, I studied 10 Credits instead of the required 6 Credits to graduate high school myself (yes I grad with OSSD). Seriously, there are crazy people like me who is interested in everything by choice: English, Algebra, Calculus, Physics, Chemistry, French, Technical Drafting, Fine Arts, Computer Science, (and hell i forgot the last one!). However, after such wide exposure I still chose a vocation i was deeply interested in, and still end up losing interest after working for two years. LOL. I take the blame 100%. [p.s. my parents never needed me to do anything great; my mom actually prefer that i'm a teacher and live a plain simple life. seriously she doesn't know me]

"中大ＬＡＷ　ＳＣＨＯＯＬ面試, 小朋友乞米咁乞學校老師，　整好ＰＲＥＤＩＣＴＥＤ　ＧＲＡＤＥ, 推到６分，　夠分面試，其實來面試都係應酬父母, 所以面試時，專登求其面試．．．．"
Why would they beg the teacher to help with the grade appearance and then 專登求其面試? That's not congruent at all. Either don't beg for marks & 求其面試應酬父母, or beg for marks & try one's best at 面試 (but probably screws up due to nervousness). This sounds like an excuse more then the truth.

作者: HIHinsurance 時間: 14-6-16 02:18

CDNIS PUSH得勁啦

SPORTS? grade 11,12, 很少人sport

grade１０　前上唔夠ｐｅ　堂，　才會在ｇｒａｄｅ　１１，１２

唔ｓｐｏｒｔ　了

ｅｎｊｏｙ　ｌｉｆｅ？　你問問，ｄｐ　學生

暫時都幾痛苦下，　不過這些苦要受’

ｉｂ　始終出路較多，　除非，　佢地返加拿大

除非渣住加藉，　否則，　都無乜地方走，　又係要ＩＢ

今屇華人比例很高

有時父母，．當時送去ＣＤＮＩＳ，　不是為了ＩＢ

Ontario 　ＥＸＡＭ　以前

而家ＩＢ

http://www.cdnis.edu.hk/facts/ib-diploma-results.html

作者: Ruby1219 時間: 14-6-16 07:11 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+jolalee+於+14-6-16+00:56+編

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i never involve in my son's homework, not to mention projects!! no way! the reason why i put him in international schools is exactly i despise this practice being taken for granted in local schools!
i think it really depends on parents. i know international school parents who are very involved in her kid's homework, i also know a handful of local school parents who are hands off.

作者: poonseelai 時間: 14-6-16 08:20 標題: 引用：CDNIS+PUSH得勁啦SPORTS?+grade+11,12,+很

原帖由 HIHinsurance 於 14-06-16 發表
CDNIS PUSH得勁啦

SPORTS? grade 11,12, 很少人sport

I believe sports is a must for DP, otherwise how can students fulfill the A (ie action) out of the CAS. Probably GSIS gonna changes to comply with the DP requirements.

作者: sharons 時間: 14-6-16 10:00

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喜見閣下深層次披露某些國際學校內部資訊 (雖然有某些還是看不懂)暮昧一問閣下可否試舉五所認為較理想的國際學校 (有排名更好) 並且原因何在?

作者: foolish.mom 時間: 14-6-16 10:58

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Even at IBDP level, CIS students are always highly involved in many activities (music, sports, community service, debate, leadership positions in school clubs).  So it never appears to me that they only study, study, study.
At senior MYP levels (year 10-11), most girls study very hard, work until very late every night, but are still involved in many activities, because they are not viewed as 'good students" if they only know how to study.  They don't want to be perceived as nerds.  Boys are still playing hard, completing minimum homework and essays, trying to maintain a satisfactory grade.  Every student tries to excel in at least one extra-curricular activity, otherwise their US personal statement will not be impressive.

At IBDP, everyone studies very hard, but still needs to involve in a substantial amount of community service, runs for captains of school clubs, tries founding a new club/association, winning in debates, do anything that add weight to the "activitiy resume".  All of them become superman and superwoman in these 2 years.  Pressure level is very high indeed, but mostly from peers themselves. They become scared when knowing other students get substantial improvement in grades.

Yes, there are quite some shifting of subjects from HL to SL during the 1st year of IBDP, in order to achieve good grades.  A 6 is not satisfactory, unless a student is particularly weak in that subject.  Many students chooes 4 HL at the beginning of DP, so they have room to shift 1 from HL to SL.  As some UK/HK university degrees require certain subjects at HL, the students know what they are doing and the consequences when deciding a shifting from HL to SL.

作者: annie40 時間: 14-6-16 18:06

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这么多的BAN, BAN, BAN, 是大开眼界了! 近来十分烦躁吗?

因为转统学制的選择少, 家长才跳出来選择让孩子念国际学校, 怎么变成很多是生人勿近的禁区, 好似没甚么好东西剩下呢? 如果部分意见是你的朋友分享的惨痛经验, 也真等她们心up 啊!

作者: Jane1983 時間: 14-6-16 22:25

幾耳目一新，睇吓d比較激的言論，有時都幾好。好過次次都係話"It's a very good school ...."

作者: annie40 時間: 14-6-16 22:58

同一所學校，有人歡喜有人愁！有孩子入到了，父母開心過中六合彩，有人宜得快些走。有孩子狂補習還是成績麻麻地，有的孩子完全沒補習，別人硬是不相信。

這

正常的學校跟我們正常的兒女十分相似，就是有齊優缺點。睇清楚改改，還是可以接受的，不用BAN得咁快掛？

這位網友坦白得很可愛，或許是朋友的轉述，把事情誇大，看得我一頭霧水了。純粹交流，有怪莫怪啊！

作者: sharons 時間: 14-6-16 23:43

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還是那句, 沒有最好, 只有最適合, 但我還是想聽聽 HIHisurance 分享最好的五強及原委.....

作者: honeybunny7 時間: 14-6-17 11:30

Interesting, so we're no longer on the topic of "Can schools influence student characters? 拔尖vs補底：如何選校？"

I would like to know from all your experiences, do you find your children's characters remain consistent throughout the years? i.e. What you observed of your children when they were 2-year-old was representative of how they turned out to be when they were 12?

作者: jolalee 時間: 14-6-17 14:28

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Thanks for getting us back on track! We had an interesting & informative conversation although it was off topic. You posed a good question; I'd love to know too. 三歲是否真的定八十 (or at least 18)？學校的影響又佔多少？
On a personal note, is there anything I can do to help train a child's focus, concentration & resilience? Are there parents out there with boys who used to be super active before age 5 and how did they turn out academically? 你採取順應還是管理的方法去對待他的學習歴程？

作者: picture 時間: 14-6-17 16:58 標題: 引用：回覆+honeybunny7+的帖子 Thanks+for+gett

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Thanks for getting us back on track! We had an interesting & informative co ...

Do you have a therapist on your child's 感統問題？

What does the therapist recommend?

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 14-6-17 19:39 標題: 引用：回覆+honeybunny7+的帖子 Thanks+for+gett

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Thanks for getting us back on track! We had an interesting & informative co ...

I thought most boys are super active and they will grow out of it.

作者: jolalee 時間: 14-6-17 19:51

picture 發表於 14-6-17 16:58
Do you have a therapist on your child's 感統問題？

What does the therapist recommend?

Yes we do. Just lots of exercise I described above and the child would calm down a lot more. Beside the SI issues (I'm not sure if it is related or not), my boy cannot focus as long as other kids his age and loses interest quickly. He is very impatient, just like his dad. For other kids who were impatient as preschoolers, do they have trouble focusing in school when they are older?

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