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標題: 傳統出名英中轉讀國際學校?比比意見。 [打印本頁]
作者: boygirl 時間: 14-5-14 12:26 標題: 傳統出名英中轉讀國際學校?比比意見。
阿仔讀緊出名英中F.1(但成績中等),而家有間ESF中學收左,想問下大家意見,會唔會比阿仔轉過去讀IS?
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 14-5-14 12:30
You applied to ESF for some reason(s), right? May be you could share you reason(s) and others could give you better advice.
作者: boygirl 時間: 14-5-14 12:56
其實我本人一直都認為香港教育制度不好,名校老師的教學態度也不盡是優秀,所以小學時已希望他轉讀國際學校,但爸爸郤堅持阿仔入讀名校(幸運地阿仔又考到),所以我最後還是讓阿仔繼續讀傳統名校,但升上中學後,眼見阿仔又是不斷讀書讀書,覺得咁努力,但在這些名校中(其他人太強了)郤仍是只屬中等的成績,對考DSE更加反感,所以恐怕阿仔都係考不到好成績,所以想住F3 比阿仔過英國讀書,但我也不捨得阿仔,巧合而家英基有位,又收了阿仔,所以令到我而家心大心細,但爸爸就始終希望阿仔繼續留在香港中學讀書,可況而家間中學是好多人夢眛以求入去的中學,所以我都好矛盾,唔知如何決定才是最好!
作者: victoryu19 時間: 14-5-14 13:01
I think you have answered your question already
作者: Jane1983 時間: 14-5-14 13:11
你吾捨得仔仔咁早去外國(成長期係最好有父母在身邊),咁好又有吾錯的IS收,係好大的喜訊,仲心大心細!?
先同你先生傾吓,再問亞仔想法。學生生活吾應該只係讀書,搏老命死讀考DSE,消磨了意志,成績亦吾係一定好。如果係我,no brainer。
作者: jolalee 時間: 14-5-14 13:22
Sounds like you like him going to ESF but you need reasons to convince your husband... In that case, within this Int'l School forum you should be able to find lots of reasons on those IS vs. LS threads. Just browse around and you will find many.
As to his studying ability, going to IS does not necessarily mean he will have good grades. The competition is fierce, especially in the upper secondary grades. Is he IB material? Is he good at research, synthesis and coming up with his own original solutions? Jumping ship half way may not guarantee a good future, and then you'll have an angry husband to deal with...
If he is an active learner he may be suitable, if he is passive and got used to being spoon fed then IS is really not for him....
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 14-5-14 13:24 標題: 引用:其實我本人一直都認為香港教育制度不好,名
原帖由 boygirl 於 14-05-14 發表
其實我本人一直都認為香港教育制度不好,名校老師的教學態度也不盡是優秀,所以小學時已希望他轉讀國際學校 ...
中學 IS 也開始有壓力,功課温書,我想不能期望可以放鬆。

作者: lijacq 時間: 14-5-14 13:44 標題: 回覆:shadeslayer 的帖子
From my personal experience, my daughter transferred from a band 1 local English primary school to IS after she finished primary 6. My daughter's English is up to par with the IS standard and she has been conversing in English with her classmates since p5. She likes to do her own research, and frequently likes to express her own opinion but it was not appreciated by her local school teachers. But in the IS, she is required to express her own opinions and she loves all the teachers and enjoys studying hard in this school. Her math is not good but the teachers are very helpful. Her Chinese level is in the top class. The workload is heavy but she enjoys doing her homework, writing analytical essays, creating videos, presenting her work in front of the class , and doing debating sessions in class.
Before she transferred, she was very quiet and lonely in the school and the teachers did not like her. Now, she has become a very confident and outspoken girl and I am very grateful for the school. I think that the main difference is the culture of the school and the upbringing of the teachers. They enjoy discussing with the kids and they love to help them.
Each child is different, maybe he should join a summer class to see whether he likes the style of teaching or not.

作者: boygirl 時間: 14-5-14 13:44
大家知唔知道ESF Shatin College是否一間好學校?可比d意見嗎?
我想而家其中部份影響我的原因是「我究竟是否應該放棄阿仔而家間中學的學位,而去入讀這間IS?」其實我也明白香港讀書仍是辛苦,只是IS的教學法令我覺得不是在壓迫學生,而是可讓學生可以真正的享受學習!
作者: annie40 時間: 14-5-14 13:55
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***两种学校也有优点缺点
***明显地你已经又立场了, 只不过是想在这里得到群众的支持和付和, 来删除你现时患得患失的矛盾心情.
***你问我, 我当然话要读IS 才ichiban, 否则我个女唔会读IS 啦!!!!
***你现时的优势是财政不是重点, 已经少了很多烦恼, 而且阿仔英文OK, 不然有得考都未必考到, 恭喜!
点解?????唔直接问阿仔??? 之前交低全部心得和资料, 让他消化和理解转校的理由. 岩唔岩读?读得好唔好? 全靠是孩子的思维和勇气, 父母只能从旁开导和默默支持! 如果真的认为IS 会很好, 你要做好心理治愈师的工作, 发放正能量来support孩子的正向思维. 我见是大部分LS来的孩子settle down 得非常好!!!!! 中文又叻, 我地IS家长不知多羡慕啊!!!!!!
Good luck!
作者: HKTHK 時間: 14-5-14 14:09
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What does your son think?
作者: oooray 時間: 14-5-14 14:12
boygirl 發表於 14-5-14 13:44 
大家知唔知道ESF Shatin College是否一間好學校?可比d意見嗎?
我想而家其中部份影響我的原因是「我究竟是 ...
個人覺得ESF架構下;間間學校其實差不多;當然間間學校有好學生;也有壞學生。恕我直言;"名中學學生/家長"只是一個外表風光的虛銜。
如魚飲水;冷暖自知;除了一些3姑6婆偶爾說句"你個仔好叻;係邊度邊度讀;好犀利"之外;
你或多或少覺得孩子讀得辛苦之餘又沒有突破;你也有沮喪之感;並不太享受此虛銜帶來的滿足感。
比起千千萬萬口說"想改變"但冇行動的家長;你已有很大的勇氣;作出行動;是值得鼓勵的。
如繼續在現在的學校消磨鬥志;倒不如試一試改變;反正你已計劃出國;實在冇咩可以再輸!
大前提是孩子是否有勇氣接受改變?
作者: boygirl 時間: 14-5-14 14:13
其實阿仔不太想轉校,因為而家間中學內有好多他認識已久的朋友。所以也擔心我的決定會否令他很不開心?
作者: oooray 時間: 14-5-14 14:33
如果轉了校便不是朋友;也不是好朋友罷;
以此LOGIC;香港咁多朋友;留學都可以慳番啦!
當然;如果佢冇勇氣改變;而父母又不想個仔因改變而唔開心;
唯有不變應萬變;專心考DSE吧!
作者: annie40 時間: 14-5-14 14:49
阿仔不太想轉校!!!!
***** *****
如果没有特定急切需要, 九乘人都唔想转工, 又或转老公!
需要改变, 必然有特别的重大动机和原因的. 阿仔不太想轉校的原因可能是:
a) 原本的学校是好到了不得, 我读得很开心, 有信心成绩好, 是阿妈多事要我转校,
b) 同学很好, 读书却愈读愈担心
c) 转换新环境, 我非常害怕
如果是A), 你便多一事不如少一事好了!
如果是B), 向孩子解释世界常变, 最好的同学会离别, 也许今天的老友, 明天是bully 你的同学仔, 依赖别人最不可靠
如果是c), 更要多下功夫来培养孩子的自信!
如果孩子和丈夫非常反对,那便算了! 始终是家和万事兴!!!
Remarks: Please check if you have friends' children in Shatin College. If have, maybe ask them to tell more about the school to your son directly so as to boost up his confidence in transformation .
作者: boygirl 時間: 14-5-14 15:01
在傳統名校讀就是愈讀愈無信心,因為同學太top了,而老師又往往把注意力集中在最好同最頑皮的學生身上,中游份子總是埋在其中,所以我先至心嗡,眼見阿仔好努力,但成績郤總是浮下浮下,所以很想讓他做回真我。爸爸同阿仔不是極力反對,只是他們的意願是不轉,但如果我堅持,他們也會就範,但日後的責任就好像是我一人來擼帶了!
作者: muimuimao 時間: 14-5-14 15:31
兒子已經中一,應該尊重他的意願。
作者: faithlove 時間: 14-5-14 15:57
其實我覺得你都要睇個仔嘅意願,以及諗下佢性格適唔適合。咁講真,都讀左咁多年主流,而且個仔係搞得掂、入到band 1中學的,可能加把勁就可以進步了。你都諗住過兩年就送佢出去了,如果個仔唔想轉的話,我覺得都唔好勉強,就專心諗兩年後過外國的事宜吧。
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 14-5-14 15:58
boygirl 發表於 14-5-14 12:56 
其實我本人一直都認為香港教育制度不好,名校老師的教學態度也不盡是優秀,所以小學時已希望他轉讀國際學校 ...
One important consideration you have not mentioned, what are your plans for his university education? If it is going to be in HK, then DSE / JUPAS is still the most straight forward path.
作者: ikerberg 時間: 14-5-14 16:01
本帖最後由 ikerberg 於 14-5-14 16:03 編輯
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Two points I wish to make:
1. It is too early to say your boy is a mediocre student when he is just in F.1. We would not see the full potential of children, esp. boys until they are in F.4 / F.5. It is my own experience and the results of my observations. I did see in traditonal famous schools 'medicro' students would overtake 'top' students as they promote to senior forms. When in senior forms, the requirements for intellectual cabilities will fully materialize and only by then could you say who are the top and who are the mediocre. And staying in the current school can let him have a good chance to learn some decent Chinese before departing for England.
2. On the other hand, however, if it has been decided your son will head to England, I think it is a no-brainer to send him to a decent IS now, cos' it will further enhance his English capability and shall make him easier to adapt to English education later on. And, finally, getting into an IS would let him be exposed to people of greater diversity in cultural and ethnic backgrounds.
作者: puikit2012 時間: 14-5-14 16:17 標題: 回覆:ikerberg 的帖子
直覺覺得應該選shatincollege。利申: my girl is going to shatin college.

作者: HKTHK 時間: 14-5-14 16:24
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I think you should respect his desires as well. Having said this, just considering where his friends are is not a full analysis of the situation. If I were you, I would sit down with him and think through other aspects as well such as teaching/learning style, university destinations, language acquisition, discipline, .... Once you have talked through all the different factors, I would imagine he would know what is right for him.
作者: boygirl 時間: 14-5-14 17:30
感激各位的意見!其實將來大學我都想他會去外國讀較好。我真不捨得F3就讓他去外國讀書,我真的要同佢傾傾。其實我相信他不想轉的理由就是唔不捨得班同學仔。
作者: boygirl 時間: 14-5-14 17:38
puikit2012 發表於 14-5-14 16:17
直覺覺得應該選shatincollege。利申: my girl is going to shatin college.
puikit,你覺得shatin college如何?此刻我也想看多些意見,是否值得放棄band 1 名校英中的位而去選擇一較好的IS。
作者: hkparent 時間: 14-5-14 17:47 標題: 引用:Quote:puikit2012+發表於+14-5-14+16:17直
原帖由 boygirl 於 14-05-14 發表
puikit,你覺得shatin college如何?此刻我也想看多些意見,是否值得放棄band 1 名校英中的位而去選擇一較好 ...
Shatin college is one of the more popular choices of Hk parents. Its academic results are good.

作者: annie40 時間: 14-5-14 19:14
oooray 男人惰性重。玩民主;開family meeting, discuss first then vote. 發表於 2 小時前
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通常阿媽是緊張大師,smell到有乜無妥,已經四周捜羅資料,做好最壞和最好的準備。阿爸喜歡拖得就拖,唔鍾意正視問題和審視潛在問題,沒大事發生,在家中媽媽經常被取笑為「癲婆」,有事有干,媽媽就是出手打救他們父子的「神仙」了。因此媽媽是食得最多死貓的高人。
作者: amethyst123 時間: 14-5-14 19:32 標題: 回覆:boygirl 的帖子
My husband graduated from one of the top local boy school (he said it s top of the top
) and he has decided our boys will go into IS stream since they were born . One of the reasons is as you said, they only focus on the top kids, the middle or bottom ones worth nothing and no one really care. He doesnt want our kids grow up in an environment that they only only being judged by academic. Some thought sharing, good luck !

作者: banbanban 時間: 14-5-14 19:36
Does your son's current local school offer IB curriculum? That may be a way to get away from DSE.
作者: puikit2012 時間: 14-5-14 20:53 標題: 引用:Quote:puikit2012+發表於+14-5-14+16:17直
原帖由 boygirl 於 14-05-14 發表
puikit,你覺得shatin college如何?此刻我也想看多些意見,是否值得放棄band 1 名校英中的位而去選擇一較好 ...
My daughter is going to shatin college in the coming September. So I dont have much knowings about the school actually. Since she will transfer there from an esf primary school, I can only say so far the transation process is smooth. Later in June she will have a taster day in shatin college , I may have more information about the school by that time.
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作者: annie40 時間: 14-5-14 21:49
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是否值得,答案只有妳知道。如果唔弄清楚concepts,去到也難以enjoy的。到頭來是白去了。
說真的,從未遇上後悔轉校的家長,只有想再轉其他IS的家長,又或出洋留學。講真句這兒的家長十分熱心,有這樣的父母,孩子必然很可愛友善,請問重想點?
妳的孩子不想轉校,有其原因,只有妳自己解決了。
作者: Choisumwong 時間: 14-5-14 21:57
As parent of STC, I would say it is a non-selective school and not academic-demanding. There are some special need students. A range of students with different abilities is the norm. Most students are happy at school. Teachers are very nice and not demanding. But there are still some 'Asian parents' with local school strategy. Students are claimed to have diverse choices after college. Overall, it is a pretty good school for average ability students (though there are some exceptional students).
作者: sschiu 時間: 14-5-14 23:05 標題: 回覆:boygirl 的帖子
如果真係怕後悔,阿仔又唔係咁想,爸爸又完全未ready做IS家長,或者留在傳統名校多一兩年,唸清楚再報,到時再高d班都會有位的。我都有朋友兩個女讀KGV,但他完全是local school心態,非常不滿意,自己好唔開心但又回不去了,非常痛苦!
我知道Sha Tin College是非常caring的學校,每個同學有屬於自己的tutor group,有form tutor照顧(lower sec一個,senior sec一個),直到畢業,而不是local那種class teacher年年轉。每個同學有自己的house,歸屬感強。每年有一周的CAS week,全校不上課,所有同學參加不同的活動和服務。而且ESF比local school能提供多很多科目選擇,一定有你兒子喜歡的!有錯誤請指正。

作者: boygirl 時間: 14-5-14 23:40
感激各位的分析及意見,在此際七上八落的心情中,你們的意見都在背後支持着我,很感謝你們!大家知唔知其實插班入esf的中學,是否機會難得?今天若我放棄這機會,是否未來就好難再考入?
作者: HIHinsurance 時間: 14-5-15 07:23
本帖最後由 HIHinsurance 於 14-5-15 07:49 編輯
佢條路, dse 繼續行, 後面條路不難估到
一陣dse 衰中文, 或中四分到差班, 你想轉, 到時已經太遲
我後生時, 新加坡政府, offer我 全獎學金, 我都無走
原因也是不捨得, 人不想變動
送去英國讀書也一樣, 好多都不肯走
改變環境, 要適應, 適應就有風險
佢不想博
你囉而家間學校入u率
派到咩u, 中四分班, 分到什麼科
各科dse 公開試成績, 學校成績
各科5分或以上的數字
給佢分析, 繼續走dse 路線
將有災難性結果
除非, 佢認為. 入大學不重要
已找到理想, 如剪頭髮, 飲食. 扎鐵.
有人理想不是入大學, 愛做廚
那麼拿拿聲,. 讀完dse. 行第二條路
不一定要讀大學
最後將個ball 俾番佢, 佢決定
但不能後悔
你再搵英基入u 率, 俾佢睇
http://www.esf.edu.hk/higher-education-destination
不幸地. 香港地, 平凡就係罪
香港是摧毀自信的教育
先要摧毀自信
邊個爬到起來, 就成贏家
輸家, 自己要執生
作者: jolalee 時間: 14-5-15 08:25
HIHinsurance 發表於 14-5-15 07:23 
佢條路, dse 繼續行, 後面條路不難估到
一陣dse 衰中文, 或中四分到差班, 你想轉, 到時已經太遲
Both me and my husband were brought up abroad so we have no idea what it's like doing high school in HK, but i am sure it's not a pretty picture, but is it THAT bad? For a TOP traditional secondary school, if the student isn't, say, the top 30%, don't they at least get to go to college in HK? Anyhow 樓主 did plan to send her child overseas later so i am sure he will get to a good Uni at a certain point (maybe by 中四 if he still doesn't do well; but then i agree for boys you never know until they reach upper secondary so he may still excel in his current school).
Of course, sending a young men overseas at that age is another issue, as being brought up overseas i have seen too many HK students who came over to attend high school, away from their parents, lonely and unbounded, got into all sorts of troubles including car accidents (death) due to speeding, unwanted pregnancy, gambling school fees away etc. Once they are older, say 18 or 19, they are more emotional stable. Students who attended university, although also from overseas, seem to know what they are doing. That's the advantage i see in keeping the kids in IS here in HK over sending kids overseas too early.
[p.s. our child is going IS all the way but i was just shocked by your comment]
作者: c200 時間: 14-5-15 11:02
如果我個小朋友考到入local名校我一定吾轉IS
作者: oooray 時間: 14-5-15 11:07
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我就咁睇:要麼不要變;stay in your comfort zone (Do you really feel comfortable???)DSE迎難而上;頂硬上;(you are not lonely. 99%讀緊local school的學生/家長都冇得揀;做緊同一樣野);
要麼早d變;早d變早d適應;唔通等到考IB前先轉校從頭適應?到時想成績好?難矣。
作者: Chole 時間: 14-5-15 13:11
My elder daughter was in a top primary school and then transferred to an IS at Year 7. My younger one is in a LS.
My 2 cents are:
1. Do you and your son understand the difference between DSE and IB? I must admit that I didn’t when I made the choice. IB may not be an easier option.
2. Does your son want to get into those 神級 faculties in HK? If so, in my mind DSE or even AL may stand a higher chance than IB students.
3. You mentioned that “名校老師的教學態度也不盡是優秀”, that’s also true for IS as far as I can tell.
4. If your kid is mediocre in a top LS, he may probably get into a pretty decent university in HK/UK but may not be Ivy League or Oxbridge. If you aim at the latter, you’d better send him to top-notch middle school in UK/US when he finished S.2. Many of my friends are doing this.
5. If you don’t want him to leave early, he can leave HK for sixth-form college n take AL after S.4 but he’d better take IGCSE. I know a girl who did the same. She got admitted to law schools in HK and UK. Unlike IB, LS students should not be difficult to adapt to AL.
Suggest you sit down with your husband and son to talk it through. Let the kid make the decision and hold him responsible. If he chooses to stay with LS/his friends, he should have a positive or at least better attitude towards DSE.
作者: torunpoland 時間: 14-5-15 13:22 標題: 回覆:boygirl 的帖子
點解「傳統頂尖名校」會困擾你?我看這個問題才是核心,而不是ESF/shatin college/IS是否女學校、好學制。

作者: Artie 時間: 14-5-15 14:16
國際學校和本地學校是兩個不同的生態,校內文化會很不同,看你們是否接受。現在是讀 F1,申請大學是 5 年後的事,也很難說到時香港的中學教育或 DSE 是甚麼情形。
STC 高中是考 ibdp。ib 是一個已運作多年 curriculum,其中 ibdp (高中課程) curriculum 會定期 review,好像是約 6 年就會有點變更。他們的 curriculum review 的 timetable 亦是公開的,例如邊一科幾時會再 review ,上網就 check 到,review 結果亦很透明。例如,2016 年考 ibdp 那一屆會用新的 science (physics,chemisty 和 biology) curriculum,一切家長老師學生都會知。
ibdp 以內容計,一定不比 dse 容易,ibdp 亦很 broad,要兼顧好多 non academic 的 work (可參考其他 topic,其他網友的分享)。但好處係 curriculum 清晰,題目出得很好很公平,不會 (刻意) 令人混淆,marking scheme 亦很公平和客觀。唯一對不是讀開國際學校的學生較困擾的,是 ibdp 每一科都有大量的書寫,連 math,visual arts 都有很多 essay 要寫,語文能力低的學生會覺得吃力。
stc 初中是以 igcse 為目標,igcse 是 exam based ,很易,令郎現在讀 f1,去 stc 應該是讀 year 9, 剛好有一年適應期,銜接得上 year 10 的 igcse,是一個不錯的適應方式 。現在不去 stc,將來會有機會嗎?因為 igcse 課程是兩年的,要 year 10 入;跟著就要等 year 12 入,讀 ibdp,但這樣做很高風險,因為 ibdp 真的 "唔係講玩",到時先轉,會難適應。
作者: Honey917 時間: 14-5-15 16:47 標題: 引用:回覆+boygirl+的帖子
我就咁睇:要麼不要變
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我就咁睇:要麼不要變;stay in your comfort zone (Do you really feel comfortable? ...
100% agreed. 如果將来都是會到外地升讀大學, 早些轉IS 好過留在local school.

作者: joys2334 時間: 14-5-15 17:26
其實係IS都有很多很多really really top and bright students. 要成為其中最top 5-10% students 也不是易事。
至於你講老師的集中力好多時多係果D最TOP 的學生度。我唸這情況都係universal , 通常好成績學生乜機會都會多D,做領袖,或代表學校的甚麼甚麼活動都係落係D好成績學學里。
所以我覺得要搞清這點。否則轉了校又會落到另一輪的frustration 里
作者: hb12699 時間: 14-5-16 09:59 標題: 回覆:傳統出名英中轉讀國際學校?比比意見。
Artie 也清晰説明了本地課程和ib 比較明顯的分別,答題大部份係eassay form 。
作為父母如果目標係完成大學課程,相信今天的社會現實狀況,係十分易達標的。
但要入牛津劍橋呢類學校,從來也是需要非常努力讀書,投入時間才能換來知識。
文章寫得少,自然寫得耐。不論中文英文也是用時間和練習才迫出來。
中學(本地和國際)也不是輕鬆的課程,你在網上找到的資料那間國際學校入大學的成績表,即代表學校對你的小朋友有相對的要求。你不要寄望太輕鬆。
本地學校課程多著重指定範圍內著重背誦而國際課程比較要自己去搵資料,學習模式的改變,也是要考慮?小朋友要知道自己在讀書方面上,岀了什麼問題才不能再進步?相信父母可以和他一起去解決。
轉校也是一個輔助解決此問題的方向。

作者: jolalee 時間: 14-5-16 13:25
請樓主描述一下自己孩子的學習方法、性格及強弱項等。This can help determine if IS is suitable for him or not.
作者: Fatrara 時間: 14-5-16 15:02
Wow, you've got the best of all worlds for your son, what is there to distress youself over:
1) A solid 6 years of "training" in basic academics and the Chinese language by a prestigious local school;
2) Got accepted to a very good IS, and paying the lowest fees among all IS in Hong Kong.
3) Get to keep your son with you in Hong Kong for the next 7 years (ESF secondary schools are 7 years - year 7 to year 13);
4) Have the financial resources to send your son for overseas university education.
In my opinion, the local education system does not prepare our students well for overseas university education. (Article for your reference: http://language.chinadaily.com.cn/article-211770-1.html. This article was first publised by UK's "The Guardian", then reprinted by "The China Daily")
And why do you think 前任香港教育局副局長陳維安 和 現任香港教育局副局長楊潤雄 all send their chrildren to IS?
作者: Fatrara 時間: 14-5-16 15:04
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Title of the quoted article is Why aren't Chinese students at UK universities getting top degrees?
http://language.chinadaily.com.cn/article-211770-1.html
作者: odelia_ho 時間: 14-5-18 18:03
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Hi boygirl,
我仔的情況和你囝囝的有少許相似。他現就讀九龍區band 1 直資男校的精英班,但我們已決定,今年九月送他到英國,入讀year 9。理由是希望他留在英國入U。個人認為,你最終希望他在哪升讀大學?如果是UK,應及早行動,不要錯過入讀year 9 ,因為year 10 才過去,比較遲,再等到A level 就更加不能融入。以我所知,英國的傳統而又排名高的boarding schools 比較喜歡收HK傳統名校生多於IS students,轉校否,這點也是考慮因素之一。
題外話,入讀英國比較 top ranking boarding schools 而考獲UK golden triangle(Oxbridge ( form 2 corners) the third corner is formed by Imperial, King's College, LSE & UCL) 的個別學校,average有10% to 20%,更甚有30%。而在HK就讀的港生,他們的target 大都是HK 的U,你可以見,大概每間HK名校入讀英國top U 的可能只有三幾個 。
結論是,你們最終想囝囝在哪升讀大學,順應部署。
捨不得他離開,又是另外一個考慮。
作者: boygirl 時間: 14-5-18 19:02
odeliah發表於 14-18 18:03 
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Hi boygirl,
odelia,點解英國名校会喜歡收香港名校生多過is生?
作者: odelia_ho 時間: 14-5-18 22:12
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是從各小朋友的家長報考英國的boarding schools結果得知。及前一陣子也有個topic在bk forum討論過UK boarding schools 喜歡收本地名校生。結論是elite local schools 的academic results 比 IS students 強(不喜勿插)。
作者: annie40 時間: 14-5-18 22:27
elite local schools --elite uk boarding schools --top uni -- top careers == perfect life???
is that simple? and all the children want?
作者: odelia_ho 時間: 14-5-18 22:36
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Of course not. It all depends on personal preference. Nobody can force u to do what u are not desire to.
作者: odelia_ho 時間: 14-5-18 23:03
同意呀,你情我願,奶似拍拖咁,勉強冇幸福
作者: odelia_ho 時間: 14-5-18 23:03
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Ditto
作者: boygirl 時間: 14-5-18 23:18
咁就令我更煩了,轉讀Esf sch,以為可打好英文底,及早適應外國學習模式,但放棄了傳統名英中卻未必能找到優秀英國學校?
作者: jolalee 時間: 14-5-18 23:56
Yes, this has been discussed before. IF your primary target is getting into a top UK university. The best way to go is to stay in LS until age 14-15, and then send him to a top boarding school in UK:
http://www.edu-kingdom.com/forum ... p;extra=&page=1 [ Start reading from: 21Ckid 發表於 13-2-23 22:54 ]
Note though, that both 21Ckid & myself both chose IS over LS, since we believe in a more balanced and broader lifestyle for our children. Life is not just about school marks and getting into a good University.
Both my brothers left home early for boarding school, and i have seen the damages it has done on them (one of them was in a top boarding school in UK, then he studied engineering at a top university in USA; still single and not very happy at age 50+).
Studies has been done extensively on people's happiness factors. In terms of income, about HK equivalent to 30K a month is sufficient; anything higher than that does not add to one's happiness. (of course we need to take inflation into consideration, but basically a decent profession is fine, there's no need to aim for Oxbridge or become a top professional unless the child is naturally capable. 勉強冇幸福) The most significant factor however, is RELATIONSHIPS. Having a close circle of friends and healthy family relationship is the prime factor in determining if a person is happy or not.
為孩子做這麼多,最後還不是希望他們有一個快樂幸福的人生嗎?
作者: ikerberg 時間: 14-5-19 05:28
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AGREE ENTIRELY ~~~~
--there's no need to aim for Oxbridge or become a top professional unless
the child is naturally capable. 勉強冇幸福) The most significant factor however, is RELATIONSHIPS. Having a close circle of friends and healthy family relationship is the prime factor in determining if a person is happy or not.
為孩子做這麼多,最後還不是希望他們有一個快樂幸福的人生嗎?
作者: torunpoland 時間: 14-5-19 09:40 標題: 回覆:jolalee 的帖子
本帖最後由 torunpoland 於 14-5-19 10:25 編輯
讀書的目的,不是入最優秀的大學。即使是進最頂尖的大學,也只是手段。甚麼的手段?學懂待人處世的手段。聽來很虛?是呀!因為讀書考試測試功課很實在,可是,這些都是幫助我們有系統地、相當快捷地累積知識的方法,任憑你考試從不失手,功課滿分,都只是方法,最終你要出來社會交朋友、與人合作,與有有感情上的聯繫,connected,或者以上網友所說的relationship。如果以進Oxford, Cambridge為目的,不如就專心在優秀名校繼續讀啦。千萬不要因為那份「中獎感」而讀Shatin college. 這份獎品的精髓似乎樓主尚未完全明瞭。

作者: hb12699 時間: 14-5-19 10:10 標題: 引用:讀書的目的,不是入最優秀的大學。即使是進
原帖由 torunpoland 於 14-05-19 發表
讀書的目的,不是入最優秀的大學。即使是進最頂尖的大學,也只是手段。甚麼的手段?學懂待人處世的手段。聽 ...
當年在英國讀大學時,year 2 有一個插班生,他就是在Cambridge 讀 engineering 的。他讀a level 時是很開心就有A, 入了Cambridge 就只有讀書和運動,其他任何活動也變得很少。個個也是很top 的,生活很乏味。
我想講讀書不是人生的全部。讀書也不是讀到大學之後就完成了。仲可以繼續的

作者: Artie 時間: 14-5-19 10:34
annie40 發表於 14-5-18 22:27 
elite local schools --elite uk boarding schools --top uni -- top careers == perfect life???
is that ...
我覺得英國大學收生近幾年都在改變著,單單看 ibdp 在那邊慢慢地得到更多認同,就知他們已經不會再像已往的封閉。這是大趨勢,繼續搞小圈子,變相趕走了真正有實力的學生,結果是學校自己蝕底。香港家長對 local elite school 亦太過神化和太過有憧憬。當然,自己仔女的學校,必定要 support 下;但如果只報喜不報優,會給了人不設實際的期望;local elite school "失敗" 的例子其實不少,只係冇人會提。相對,IS 家長就較唔怕揭開肚皮,客觀討論。好多人話 esf 係 ibdp 狀元工廠,年年都出好多 igcse 和 ibdp 狀元,但這裡都亦經常有不同的 esf 網友提醒大家,esf 有狀元,都有普通和平均的學生,不要以為入了 esf 就係神仙。我自己近幾年觀察,小女小兒學校很多學生都成功去了外國 (英美) 的名牌 boarding school,而外國大學給香港各國際學校學生的 offer 都幾 generous。今年小女申請大學,我見她學校同學和一些其他國際學校學生的 offer 都不錯。academically,IS 好多學生都好好,不過可能生態環境唔同,唔係個個 IS 學生或家長愛講周圍講。說 IS 學生 academic 唔夠 local elite school,應該是大家圈子唔同 (我都學網友補句," 不喜勿插 " )。澄清一下,我絕對不是說 IS 較 local elite school 好,其實係各有各的特色,可以滿足不同家長的需要。但一點較明顯,就是兩邊生態不同,家長和學生的心態都不同。樓主應該對孩子現在的學校應該很滿意,當初考 esf 可能只是想試試實力,但結果竟然考上了,就開始十五十六;因為如果真的很喜歡 esf 才報名,冇理由對 esf 的了解那麼少。其實如果真的拿不定主意,一動不如一靜啦,因為如果還是用在 local school 的心態,其實在 IS 未必讀得開心。
作者: Artie 時間: 14-5-19 10:44
ikerberg 發表於 14-5-19 05:28 
there's no need to aim for Oxbridge or become a top professional unless the child is naturally capable
我會改一改,說 "unless the child wants to"。
我想,這有是我先前說的 "心態" 和 "生態" 的問題。local elite school 學生,目標一般是香港和英國的 med 和 law。esf 就反而有人本地醫科收了都 decline offer 去了讀 music。家長如果唔調節心態,隨時嘔血。
作者: c200 時間: 14-5-19 10:57
Artie: (當初考 esf 可能只是想試試實力,但結果竟然考上了,就開始十五十六;因為如果真的很喜歡 esf 才報名,冇理由對 esf 的了解那麼少。其實如果真的拿不定主意,一動不如一靜啦,因為如果還是用在 local school 的心態,其實在 IS 未必讀得開心。)
101%認同
作者: Jane1983 時間: 14-5-19 11:39
我都系吾想太早送小朋友出國,所以讀IS。初中送出去,到他讀完大學回來,這麽多年,他的成長期、建立價值觀和什麽友輩來往,父母會miss好多。
這個和每天放學回家一起吃飯、聊天,每個周末家庭日打波游泳,相差太遠。
作者: WinTee 時間: 14-5-19 11:51
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cannot agree more!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahahahahhahahaha
作者: poonseelai 時間: 14-5-19 12:11 標題: 回覆:傳統出名英中轉讀國際學校?比比意見。
睇番樓主想個仔轉IS主因是見他點努力都在中間(因其他人太強),怕DSE,想他做番真我(無解釋什麼是真我),樓主是否希望/相信轉IS後小朋友會變成名列前矛?以乎如其他網友所言,樓主對IS了解不多,這情況下風險不小。要順利轉學制父母同小朋友都要適應和配合,我返日見一例子由band 1 小學轉到IB學校Year 7, 一個學期就走了,主因父母仍全方位參與功課,連小組功課組員不選用父母指定題目都投訴(父母認為自己選擇的題目好過其他組員選的)。建議樓主多了解lS要求和模式再決定。

作者: annie40 時間: 14-5-19 12:17
多年观察, 妈妈的最糟是:唔知自己想点? 孩子还是五六岁的妈妈可以原谅, 因为资历浅, 上到中学, 还拾拾下,就是性格使然,谁也帮忙不了的.
那管何种教育体系, 父母的全力支持是必需的, 孩子读得未如理想的原因,一般是孩子的问题多于学校, 不要搅错方向而落错药.无事无干,唔好四处求医,明明是耳鼻喉有问题, 去左看妇科, 医生唔会帮到你的.
作者: poonseelai 時間: 14-5-19 12:23 標題: 引用:多年观察,+妈妈的最糟是:唔知自己想点?
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多年观察, 妈妈的最糟是:唔知自己想点? 孩子还是五六岁的妈妈可以原谅, 因为资历浅, 上到中学, 还 ...
妳個比喻好攪笑😁

作者: torunpoland 時間: 14-5-19 13:37
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很多父母的要求都一樣:
1. 英文好
2. 中文好
3. 名列前茅
4. 學習愉快
5. 有功課, 但不要太多
6. 學深少少,小孩子需要成就感去推動下一階段的學習
7. 要有時間閱讀
8. 游水/柔道/合氣道/西班牙語都要有所涉獵
9. 學校重視德育,教到孩子彬彬有禮, 但又不失自信氣派
10. 學校近家
11. 學費不太貴
12. 孩子與家庭關係緊密,但又不鵪鶉(是否太俗?)
想得美呢,現實歸現實...... 很多時都要取捨
作者: Jane1983 時間: 14-5-19 13:48
torunpoland 發表於 14-5-19 13:37 
很多父母的要求都一樣:
1. 英文好
2. 中文好
8 - 我可以出外學,10- 我可以搬,
11- 留少d比她,一條數,
其他果d,真系一點都不能少!
作者: ikerberg 時間: 14-5-19 15:04
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尋找 媽媽的 "夢校" (dream school)? 
作者: clubmed 時間: 14-5-19 17:57 標題: 回覆:poonseelai 的帖子
睇番樓主想個仔轉IS主因是見他點努力都在中間(因其他人太強),怕DSE,想他做番真我(無解釋什麼是真我),樓主是否希望/相信轉IS後小朋友會變成名列前矛?
轉到Shatin College就可以名列前茅嗎?何以見得?要名前茅的話,我看轉去一些band 2學校就讀的話,機會較大。
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