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作者: gloriamomhk 時間: 14-3-18 20:42 標題: Drug dealing problems in HKIS & ESF schools

本帖最後由 gloriamomhk 於 14-3-18 21:26 編輯

這些是去年香港國際學校和英基學校學生販賣毒品以及校方刻意隱瞞的有關資料：

Police probe Hong Kong International School over expulsions for drug use

http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1266882/police-probe-hong-kong-international-school-over-expulsions-drug-use?page=all

Drug dealers selling more to ESF school students in Hong Kong: police

http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1214101/drug-dealers-selling-more-esf-school-students-hong-kong-police?page=all

http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1272024/police-will-help-schools-prevent-drug-abuse-says-hong-kong-researcher

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 14-3-18 21:05

gloriamomhk 發表於 14-3-18 20:42
Drug dealers selling more to ESF school students in Hong Kong: police ...

Yes, ESF schools (and international schools in general) are REALLY dangerous places, rampant with every kind of evil imaginable, drug pushing, child prostitution, organ harvesting, necromancy, witchcraft (say hello to Harry Potter), you name it, they have it, so please DON'T apply to them, leave these God forsaken places to dumb foreigners

作者: sharons 時間: 14-3-18 21:06 標題: 回覆：Drug dealing problems in HKIS & ESF schools

個人意見販賣毒品比吸食更差，請問有冇用家可以講吓實際情況？

作者: sharons 時間: 14-3-18 21:17 標題: 引用：Quote:gloriamomhk+發表於+14-3-18+20:42+D

原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 14-03-18 發表
Yes, ESF schools (and international schools in general) are REALLY dangerous places, rampant with ev ...

發悔氣無助理性討論喔

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 14-3-18 21:39

sharons 發表於 14-3-18 21:17
發悔氣無助理性討論喔

Oh but that is not 晦氣.

One outcome of 理性討論 would be for the doubtful to steer clear of these schools, not only do they no longer need to worry about their little angels going astray, but dumb foreigners will also be happy that they won't have to deal with long wait lists {:1_1:}

Having been in this forum for a while, I have noticed one phenomenon. When it comes to discussing the pros and cons of international schools, few people are here to seek advice to help them decide, most have already made up their minds but come to seek confirmation to strengthen their beliefs. I have yet to see one obvious case of someone making up (or changing) one's mind regarding international schools basing on the comments here.

作者: gloriamomhk 時間: 14-3-18 21:41

Not only international schools have drug abuse and selling problem, local schools as well. Children in schools with very rich families like 港島南區 are more accessible to drugs. This 2009-10 government document talks about drug testing in HKIS, ESF and DSS schools:

http://www.nd.gov.hk/pdf/school_ ... 009-10/Chapter3.pdf

作者: Radiomama 時間: 14-3-18 22:18 標題: 回覆：gloriamomhk 的帖子

你講果份報告係當年政府想推薦在校園驗毒計劃，作為anti drug的一個有效方法；當年有好多反對聲音，所以最後選了大埔區做pilot scheme, 而這份報告是官員交功課的作品，引用HKIS, ESF, 兩間DSS的例子是想向本地教育界説明校園驗毒的可行和有效性，文件中還引用美國、英國、澳洲的例子；與你用來引證這些學校有濫藥吸毒的情況完全是兩碼子的事。

作者: 紅紅 時間: 14-3-18 22:22 標題: 回覆：Drug dealing problems in HKIS & ESF schools

其實地球真係好危險，冇呃你，睇吓新聞就知，係時候plan吓移民火星計劃。

作者: sharons 時間: 14-3-18 22:27

回覆 Radiomama 的帖子

但文中有提到....

"A teacher found around 10 students under a bridge smoking marijuana. They were called into the office," the source said.

"There was a snowball effect, where over the course of three weeks, 46 students in high school were called into the office for interrogation and 11 were later expelled. It is still unclear how many were suspended."

46人真的為數不小, 即使最後有11人被 "趕" 出校也不是小數目喔

作者: poonseelai 時間: 14-3-18 22:28 標題: 引用：Not+only+international+schools+have+drug

原帖由 gloriamomhk 於 14-03-18 發表
Not only international schools have drug abuse and selling problem, local schools as well. Children ...

大約三年前聽過社工講學生吸毒問題，無記錯的話港島區以灣仔最多，住屋邨又比私樓多，偏遠屋邨又比市區多，因小朋友生活範圍都在屋邨附近，出市區交通費太貴啦，容易被壞人接觸到。社工仲話吸毒多因悶，無目標，被忽略。亦有band 1好好成績的學生吸冰，三日三夜唔使瞓，日讀夜讀為應付考試，聽到都驚。

作者: sharons 時間: 14-3-18 22:38

poonseelai 發表於 14-3-18 22:28
大約三年前聽過社工講學生吸毒問題，無記錯的話港島區以灣仔最多，住屋邨又比私樓多，偏遠屋邨又比市區多， ...

都曾聽過以大埔最多, 但題目主要講 HKIS and ESF, 好想聽下用家講下具體濫藥吸毒的情況係點

作者: poonseelai 時間: 14-3-18 22:40 標題: 引用：Quote:poonseelai+發表於+14-3-18+22:28+大

原帖由 sharons 於 14-03-18 發表
都曾聽過以大埔最多, 但題目主要講 HKIS and ESF, 好想聽下用家講下具體濫藥吸毒的情況係點
...

用家？妳指學生？會有人挺身而出嗎？

作者: Radiomama 時間: 14-3-18 22:41 標題: 回覆：sharons 的帖子

我想澄清的是教育局的document, 請不要將SCMP去年的新聞報導混為一談。
年輕人的問題當然要正視，無論本地學校定國際學校、香港定外地，不應妄下斷語。

作者: sharons 時間: 14-3-18 22:44

poonseelai 發表於 14-3-18 22:40
用家？妳指學生？會有人挺身而出嗎？

不, 是用家家長, 有聽過小孩講嗎? 學校有說嗎? 如通告, 如家長會, 家長日咁.....

作者: Radiomama 時間: 14-3-18 22:45 標題: 回覆：sharons 的帖子

大埔學校的吸毒問題特別嚴重？請慎言。

當年在大埔推驗毒計劃，是基於大埔區廿多間學校與局方較容易傾妥，又有家校會支持，所以才做。

作者: sharons 時間: 14-3-18 23:00

回覆 Radiomama 的帖子

所以咪度多瞭解求證囉, 樓上夠話灣仔最多, 偏遠屋邨比較多啦, 不用咁緊張呢, 打小幾個字, "無記錯的話" 都曾聽過以大埔最多 (未經證實) 這樣滿意嗎?

明白中國人都愛隱惡而揚善, 但大家在此都係為了自己兒女選校甚或前途找資料, 相信不是來交友或組織 FANS CLUB

作者: umom 時間: 14-3-18 23:30 標題: 引用：Quote:gloriamomhk+發表於+14-3-18+20:42+D

原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 14-03-18 發表
Yes, ESF schools (and international schools in general) are REALLY dangerous places, rampant with ev ...

Haha.. Good one!

There are so many drug problems among the local schools as we read on the papers , too many that many people don't even bother to mention.
However, if there's a single piece of drug news with one international school, it would be magnified as if it happens in all international schools... Pathetic!!

作者: himching 時間: 14-3-19 11:35

本人buy IS對drug處理手法係唔會避忌, LS多會為面子私了. 去年聽講GXXX 一樣有Drug 問題, 一接向所有家長解釋兼報警解決. 讚.

有關LS 驗毒計劃, 當年一班PK用乜人權/私隱外涉影響學生將來前程阻撓計劃執行, 其實係為保學校聲譽. 有社工表示毒品影響深遠, 即時搵到有問題學生, 即時幫助先最重要. 依班PK唔知有冇仔生?

作者: himching 時間: 14-3-19 11:44

gloriamomhk 發表於 14-3-18 20:42
這些是去年香港國際學校和英基學校學生販賣毒品以及校方刻意隱瞞的有關資料：

Police probe Hong Kong Int ...

此題目不錯, 等多啲家長考慮清楚是否送仔女入IS. IS 唔係大家想像中咁安全快樂的.

作者: sharons 時間: 14-3-19 12:08 標題: 引用：Quote:gloriamomhk+發表於+14-3-18+20:42+

原帖由 himching 於 14-03-19 發表
此題目不錯, 等多啲家長考慮清楚是否送仔女入IS. IS 唔係大家想像中咁安全快樂的. ...

如果這樣，GXXX的處理手法就正面得多了，值得一讚！

上述兩間IS的濫藥及販毒情況可能只是冰山一角，贊成嚴懲濫藥及販毒學生並公開學校名稱先有阻嚇作用（不論LS or IS）這樣愛面子的家長及學校亦可能因此會家校互相監察

作者: mena 時間: 14-3-19 12:27

喇沙書院都有毒品問題, 甘又係唔係叫人唔好讀, 每間學校裏有成千個學生, 一定存在些壞分子, 點解又要一竹打哂成船人呢.
http://www.edu-kingdom.com/forum ... ead&tid=2271956

作者: sharons 時間: 14-3-19 13:32

本帖最後由 sharons 於 14-3-19 13:34 編輯

mena 發表於 14-3-19 12:27
喇沙書院都有毒品問題, 甘又係唔係叫人唔好讀, 每間學校裏有成千個學生, 一定存在些壞分子, 點解又要一竹打 ...

同意妳的睇法，就是比例多少即嚴重程度，正如有些主流名幼標榜升一線名小成積，如一屆有800人升小，但過去2, 3年就只有1或2個升讀一線頭名小，但就敲鑼打鼓大肆宣揚，看穿了，所謂的名校、神校還不是家長們的心理大如實際吧

回正題，不知HKIS中學部有多少學生，但46個被調查，11個被逐出校，個人還是認為此數字算不少了，至於ESF，文中並沒有提到數字，但就確認問題之存在.

如有錯請指正

作者: harold621 時間: 14-3-19 14:03

haha, i just wonder why some kind of persons have to balance their weak psychological quality of failing to enter IS through posting such negative news about IS. Such as if you can not marry some good person, then you try to insult him/her, so childlish and sick.

作者: harold621 時間: 14-3-19 14:03

回覆 gloriamomhk 的帖子

haha, i just wonder why some kind of persons have to balance their weak psychological quality of failing to enter IS through posting such negative news about IS. Such as if you can not marry some good person, then you try to insult him/her, so childlish and sick.

作者: vivicui 時間: 14-3-24 17:41 標題: 回覆：Drug dealing problems in HKIS & ESF schools

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作者: Mighty 時間: 14-3-25 17:24

大家都知毒品問題、其実ＩＳ＆ＬＳ都有、不可不理、也不応反応過大。　無論是ＬＳ　ＯＲＩＳ的父母、都要注意。　文中有提及ＥＳＦ的学生、好似比較手松、或者這類学生的父母会給他門多点零用銭、這也可以自己引以為監。　如果有人看了這篇文章、就覚得ＩＳ毒品問題厳重、不応入讀、就ＳＯ　ＢＥ　ＩＴ．

作者: Cayenne 時間: 14-3-25 23:16

作為一個舊生家長, 我認同 HKIS 校長的處理方法.

首先聲明 : 本人反對吸毒. 但認為對不同的毒品, 處罰的方法, 應有一點分別.

高危害性, 高度上癮的毒品如海洛英、可卡因等, 應該嚴峻執法, 因為一旦接觸, 極易上癮, 跟著便是一生墮落的開始. 上起癮來, 可以搶劫殺人, 賣身賣老婆賣腎, 絕對不是一個純粹個人喜好的問題.

有些毒品, 毒性較低, 癮起時的犯罪傾向亦較少. 例如那班橋底學生吸食的大麻. 有沒有人在大麻癮起時去殺人打劫 ? 我未聽過、讀過. 染上這類毒品的青少年, 多是因為好奇, 如果我做校長, 會「俾條生路俾佢」

我再強調, 我並非鼓吹吸食任何毒品. 但當你發現, 大麻的害處, 可能少過吸煙飲酒; 美國有州份已將大麻合法化; 最要命的是, 三個最近代的美國總統均承認年青時曾接觸過大麻.

http://swampland.time.com/2013/1 ... denied-smoking-pot/ 克林頓
http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2005/s1307155.htm 布殊
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/ ... erous-than-alcohol/ 奧巴馬, (他說大麻並不比酒精危險. 我同意, 起碼我親眼見過不少人飲死, 但未見過大麻吸死例子.)

所以如果我是校長, 會對藏大麻和藏白粉的處分會很不同. 年少無知, 誰知他日後會不會是另一個總統或是高院法官 ?

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吸毒問題, 無處不在. IS 有, Local Schools 亦有. 當年學校要我簽字, 授權他們可以翦貴子弟頭髮驗毒, 我舉腳讚成. 一個實事求是的態度, 總比臭屎密笠好.

如果以為 IS 有人吸毒就是生人勿近, 記著不要去 Oxford 讀書 , 不要入投資銀行, 不要入天主教會 :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ ... ome-home-party.html

http://www.usatoday.com/story/ne ... ne-condoms/6852125/

作者: elmostoney 時間: 14-3-26 21:22

I am an IS mom, and I have heard directly from an ESF secondary student about drug problems with HER classmates (not her). So? Am I going to pull out from IS? Absolutely not! The school definitely doesn't tolerate drugs, so it's more down to education at home, imho. Guiding your child and teaching him to make the right choices is more important. You cannot shelter him forever. He may still come in contact with drugs in college or at work. So what are you going to do? Be a helicopter mom? You know, it happens with some LS secondary grads - need mom's guidance in college. My friend's child in HKU said that there are really freshmen who didn't know what to do with their spare time and how to conduct themselves at university. Their moms often step in and take the reins. I don't know if I like THAT sort of parents' HANDS-ON education in LS. These poor kids could be more susceptible to fall to drugs once their moms let go - coz they rarely had a chance to make the calls in life.

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