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作者: sharons 時間: 14-3-14 20:04 標題: 國際學校的優先收生政策
除了官方公報，有說流利英語、不懂華語優先，又有說持海外護照甚至“某些國家“護照優先，有人知道更多可分享嗎？
作者: jolalee 時間: 14-3-15 04:20
sharons 發表於 14-3-14 20:04 
除了官方公報，有說流利英語、不懂華語優先，又有說持海外護照甚至“某些國家“護照優先，有人知道更多可分 ...
「持海外護照，甚至“某些國家“護照優先，」視乎那間IS, 例如澳洲國際當然拿澳洲䕶照優先，不能一概而論。
Many international schools do expect the child to speak native or near native level of English.
Other parents please correct me if any of the above is incorrect.
作者: sharons 時間: 14-3-15 11:45 標題: 回覆：國際學校的優先收生政策
其實有見IS幼童英語並不達標都一樣能考上，因其父母向我說主因是學童持他國護照，即所謂的“國籍“優勢，我在想這裡的IS家長有多少是持海外護照呢？如這是主因，那麼持本地護照申請人於選校時可再考慮清楚
作者: sharons 時間: 14-3-15 11:49 標題: 回覆：國際學校的優先收生政策
當然能夠明白主辦團體應先照顧該國國民，但如“其他“國籍均各有優先次序之分就。。。。我倒想聽聽大家想法及意見
作者: 紅紅 時間: 14-3-15 13:55 標題: 回覆：國際學校的優先收生政策
其實你想報邊間？因為真的間間唔同，你shortlist了再check, 通常學校website有講收生政策。一般是教職員子女優先，之後好多是英語及雙語學童及siblings, expats ... 我女學校仲有一樣，就係所在的屋苑居民有優先，所以冇得一慨而論，特别是近年很多學校改政策。
作者: samsam123321 時間: 14-3-16 12:27
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作者: shadeslayer 時間: 14-3-16 12:41 標題: 回覆：國際學校的優先收生政策
LS有 band 1 to band 3, IS 一樣有。每間ls收生條件也不同。點可以有一概而論的答案？
作者: sharons 時間: 14-3-16 15:17 標題: 引用：學校有自主權收生。佢收d+英文唔好的學生，
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學校有自主權收生。佢收d 英文唔好的學生，將來係會自己受傷的，因為學生如果英文唔好，外邊父母係會睇到的 ...
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 14-3-16 16:17
sharons 發表於 14-3-16 15:17
其實我想講。。。2位小朋友正是今年被ESF取錄的K1學生，都是持加國護照，莫說英文不達標，其實母語也未能說出短句 ...
作者: sharons 時間: 14-3-16 16:49 標題: 回覆：FattyDaddy 的帖子
該2名家長話當日分別喺ESF TY and ESF WKS 進行group interview，30分鐘的面試過程並無問過小孩及家長任何問題，只透過玩去觀察小朋友的交流及合群性，其一朋友面試完後還跟我說不抱希望，因小孩還跟别的小孩爭玩具繼而放聲大哭，沒想到最終也有offer 呀，我們當然替她高興，不用再煩惱學位問題呢，她倆是家庭朋友，更是小囡PG同學，已排除說謊的必要
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 14-3-16 17:29
sharons 發表於 14-3-16 16:49
已排除說謊的必要 ...
作者: sharons 時間: 14-3-16 17:36 標題: 回覆：FattyDaddy 的帖子
哈哈，我只想表達這個案並非道聽途說而已
不管怎樣，對ESF有興趣的家長不用太擔心呢，不論條件如何，機會還在呀，做回自己去面試都一樣可以成功的
作者: nintendo 時間: 14-3-17 11:20
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sharons 發表於 14-3-16 16:49
該2名家長話當日分別喺ESF TY and ESF WKS 進行group interview，30分鐘的面試過程並無問過小孩及家長任何 ...
其實唔好話 esf，就算甚麼本地名幼稚園，都係靠短短面試過程選學生。
幼稚園要 d 咩學生，和實際收了咩學生，亦唔係一定對等。
考中學考大學就話有學校成績表做參考，考幼稚園就只能靠老師的觀察和感覺。
esf 理論上係想收 english speaking 小朋友，但兩歲人仔好多都唔係好出聲。
講到尾，將來佢地考 year one 都係要再 interview，到時佢地唔達標，自然都係唔過關。
至於 foreign passport 的問題，我覺得以 esf 的情形，佢地大把 applicants，想點揀都得。
難聽 d 講，esf 真係可以學本地名牌幼稚園：只收媽媽是 full time mom 的，和爸爸是專業人士的，佢如果要暗地裡篩選過學生背景，你根本唔會知。不過我知道就唔係咁篩選就係啦。
香港地有 foreign passport 的人好多，如果個個話有 foreign passport 都收，咁開多十間 esf 都收唔晒人。
以我多年的觀察，esf 唔會特別話收有 foreign passport 的學生，亦唔需要因為某某有 foreign passport 而買佢賬。
每年一到 "放榜" 時期，就好多家長對學校收生程序有質疑，其實家長申請學校，還是抱平常心啦。
作者: onetofour 時間: 14-3-17 16:55 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+nintendo+於+14-3-17+11:23+編
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作者: jolalee 時間: 14-3-17 17:19
本帖最後由 jolalee 於 14-3-17 17:21 編輯
Again, ESF accepts students based on 2 criteria:
1. They PASS the assessment. (There is not Excellent/Good/Fair/Poor) A child who is considered "to know English" by the observing teacher, technically regardless of his/her behaviour during the assessment, is still considered a pass. In regards to performance, 99% is a pass; 51% is a pass.
2. The 'lottery' number they received which determines their queue.
So, a child who is 51% with a #10 queue would be accepted before a child who is 99% with a #489 queue. They are not really based on performance, as long as the teacher considers that the child knows English.
I hope this helps you resolve any frustrations you have, Sharon. It is in a way, fair.
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 14-3-17 21:00 標題: 回覆：國際學校的優先收生政策
I really don't understand the point of this thread. Each school has clear criteria for admission and they include passport priorities. So read the web site carefully of your intended schools and find out. Nothing that was said so far wasn't excerpt from school web site.
If you do not believe the school web site and suspect that there are hidden rules, why do you think any of us, mere parents, know these hidden rules? If there are insiders here, would they risk themselves by telling you hidden rules?
作者: gloriamomhk 時間: 14-3-17 22:00
shadeslayer 發表於 14-3-17 21:00
I really don't understand the point of this thread. Each school has clear criteria for admission and ...
作者: sharons 時間: 14-3-18 01:47 標題: 回覆：國際學校的優先收生政策
相信我表達能力比小囡還要差，其實我想帶出不論何等國藉，只要係有國藉要求己不懂欣賞，因為我所相信的文化共融應不受此限，但知道在這版這樣直接說出必又引起瀚然大波而已！
利申: 我並沒有用女兒護照申請學位，只用HKID
作者: feipow 時間: 14-3-18 02:16 標題: 回覆：國際學校的優先收生政策
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作者: feipow 時間: 14-3-18 02:29 標題: 回覆：國際學校的優先收生政策
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作者: shadeslayer 時間: 14-3-18 08:01
sharons 發表於 14-3-18 01:47
相信我表達能力比小囡還要差，其實我想帶出不論何等國藉，只要係有國藉要求己不懂欣賞，因為我所相信的文化 ...
如果你擔心有枱底國籍要求，那麼這裏該沒有人知，知乜不會公開講。你可以「不欣賞」一些未能証實的東西嗎？
作者: Artie 時間: 14-3-18 10:16 標題: 引用：相信我表達能力比小囡還要差，其實我想帶出
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原帖由 sharons 於 14-03-18 發表
相信我表達能力比小囡還要差，其實我想帶出不論何等國藉，只要係有國藉要求己不懂欣賞，因為我所相信的文化 ...
你表達能力十分好，我看得明，你的立場清楚，亦前後冇矛盾。你說女兒的兩個 play group 朋友仔，都考到 ESF ，你覺得人地靠passport 先考到。網友解釋了ESF 收生的要求是甚麼，我不重覆。你開topic 問，但大家答了你，你當睇唔到，係要講passport。大家都係家長，都在為仔女奔波，但做人真的要放開點，考幼稚園都咁執著，幾時嬲到大學？
作者: samsam123321 時間: 14-3-18 10:36
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作者: oooray 時間: 14-3-18 12:38
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如果你講ESF；作為用家；我想發表下:
1. 學校Admission Criteria冇必要收埋D hidden agenda；priority post出黎已經夠多；真係要screen的passport明刀明槍又如何?使乜靜雞雞pre-sreening又唔比你知?
2.你係咪返ESL playgroup冇分別；對apply K1冇用(除非又係hidden agenda).
3.唔知你個case係
a.一齊報名K1；人地有得in你冇得In；
b. 一齊有得in但收個有passport表現唔好；你表現好但唔收你；
如個係a, 只能說你唔好彩；抽籤抽得後first round冇得in；同你有冇passport冇乜關係；當然；你堅信有hidden agenda就冇野講
如果係b, 你可以問下學校點解唔收你(可能都係唔好彩；抽籤抽得後有得In但d位比前面用晒要waiting)；
4. 唔知你知唔知早4,5年前ESL kindergarten根本係唔使play visit，你完報名抽籤就寄contract比你；對學校黎講；你入黎K1一句英文唔識佢都收你；反正家長願意讀同配合佢有本事train你到可以pass Year One interview(到時有冇得in係後話)。我眼見2個case，一個超細B唔講野；一個歐洲人種英文唔係好掂；到下學期上堂已經同其他人冇分別；
5. Year One admission一樣執得好正；當年i個仔n完都係waiting；後來Admission Manager打黎；佢話咁o岩排到係先比個offer你；有個expat(當然有passport)日日打黎問都冇用；要說對唔住；一齊按個sequential no.辦事。
如果說有hidden agenda；對admission同事好唔公道。
作者: sharons 時間: 14-3-18 12:45 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+Artie+於+14-3-18+10:20+編輯+
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作者: jolalee 時間: 14-3-19 03:48
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sharons 發表於 14-3-18 12:45
我並沒有嬲，到目前還未有申請過ESF 學位，只是用家朋友提醒收生政策我便嘗試在此找答案，個人從來認為懂得 ...
Nah, i don't think you are angry, but if my child perform better than two other kids but they got in whereas mine doesn't, i'd feel frustrated too. Finding the answer here is a viable method, and i think my detailed explanation earlier has given you the answer. For ESF, the passport is probably not the issue. I believe in the fairness of ESF, but one must understand its fairness is not based on the child's ability. That's how ESF operates and therefore if you are keen on having your child in an English based school, you must look beyond ESF for more back up options. Even for pure HKID holders, there are still many options in terms of non-local education within Hong Kong.
作者: honeybunny7 時間: 14-3-21 17:19
How about this clause in ESF admissions policy, "In line with the Education Bureau requirements, at least 70% of the total students enrolled will qualify as ‘non-local’, defined as being holders of an overseas passport."? Does that mean HK residents without a foreign passport will be disadvantaged?
作者: 紅紅 時間: 14-3-22 01:11 標題: 回覆：國際學校的優先收生政策
如果d IS多中國人又話人唔夠國際，怕英文水平唔得，話要70%非本地又話disadvantage, discriminate, 其實想點？
作者: honeybunny7 時間: 14-3-24 11:44
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I did not mean that ESF was discriminating one group or the other. Since the earlier messages in this thread has not mentioned this clause and were not very definitive on the effect of holding a foreign passport, I just wonder why and what people think of the effect of this clause that I suppose is recently added and has replaced the previously used decision criteria of primary language. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 14-3-24 13:16
本帖最後由 FattyDaddy 於 14-3-24 15:37 編輯
honeybunny7 發表於 14-3-24 11:44
the effect of holding a foreign passport ...
Foreign passport is a forever recurrent subject in this forum, some say it helps, some say it doesn't make much difference. My view is, it depends on the school, and the situation changes from time to time, like you said, ESF's "70% of the students should hold foreign passport" clause is a new one, introduced just this year.
There are very few certainties in life, save may be taxation and death, everything else is a probability. A child is not guaranteed a place in an international school by having a foreign passport, nor by having a full-time mum, nor by having parents who are professionals, nor by having parents who speak good English, nor by having attended an affiliated kindergarten or playgroup, nor by having an address which is in the vicinity of the school, none of the these are any form of guarantee, but each one of them does help in bumping up the probability just that little bit.
Bottom line regarding foreign passport is, if you have it, make sure you mention it on the application form, even if the passport is from Vanuatu. It may not increase your chances significantly or at all, but it won't decrease your chances.
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 14-3-24 13:17 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+honeybunny7+於+14-3-24+11:47
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作者: honeybunny7 時間: 14-3-24 15:06
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By looking at the breakdown of student body at different ESF schools (http://www.edb.gov.hk/attachment ... ec%202012-final.pdf), it does seem that this new change of admission criteria is not going to significantly change the result in most of the HK Island side ESF schools...
作者: elmostoney 時間: 14-3-27 13:11
本帖最後由 elmostoney 於 14-3-27 13:16 編輯
我唔知ESF幼稚園收生如何, 但小一肯定有要求. 即使我個仔"幸運"地抽到佢, 但個年面試唔合格, 但因佢係超細仔, 所以學校比多個機會佢, 來年再面試多次Y1. 老師當時評佢淨係講yes and no, 唔夠 responsive. 後來去左第二度讀Y1(繼續做超細仔), 然後排Y2, Y2面試要求佢讀書, 老師會同佢傾計, 要求佢有更多語言上互動, 所以我唔覺得ESF冇要求.
至於點解我個仔抽到, 佢又唔係ESF幼稚園讀, 我到而家都一頭霧水. 不過當年有幾個幼稚園同學仔, 申請ESF都有機會面試, 我唔知係咪同間學校有關. 唔係話ESF同佢地有物AFFILIATION, 而係知道個別學校多D, D學生有機會D? 據聞有機會面試首要係讀一間被ESF劃定為國際嘅幼稚園, 所以(道聽途說), St Cat, Victoria呢D好似都唔算. 其他就真係LUCK. 我識得有西人, 一樣抽唔到ESF要排隊, 佢仲要係英國人! 所以樓主想證實嘅恐怕好難證實, 因為我識兩個英國朋友都係考Y1, 冇遲到報名, 唔係插班, 一直住係香港, 但都要WAITLIST.
作者: naschkatze 時間: 14-3-27 22:54 標題: 回覆：國際學校的優先收生政策
My son and I attended the interview. I was asked plenty of questions. The teacher also talked to the children to see their response. Gladly kindergarten is not solely based on the language ability to select the children, neither by the age.
In the first stage they filter out kids that may have developmental problems, like whether the kid has eye contact, the kid can respond (body language, speaking, facial expressions, etc). Typical is autism. Read more about symptoms of autistic children and you will know how to assess.
The second stage is to assess their language. Can they understand the English and do proper response. Does not have to speak, but if the kids can speak, definitely a bonus. They understand the language ability varies depending on the age, the gender and other factors.
The third stage is to assess the early education developmental milestones, like the color, fine motor skills, recognition of common things that a 2 year old kid is supposed to know like animals, etc.
If out of 4 kids, all of them can achieve all the stages above, the fourth stage will assess other area like the temperament, social skills, something showing your kids stand out from the other kids.
Parent's language ability is also part of the assessment, of course.
My personal opinion only.
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