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作者: piglet123 時間: 14-2-13 19:25 標題: vsa vs sis?

If you have that choice- what would you choose??

作者: samsam123321 時間: 14-2-13 21:12

我prefer sis

作者: Peababylau 時間: 14-2-14 00:30 標題: 回覆：vsa vs sis?

Sis

作者: piglet123 時間: 14-2-14 07:34 標題: 回覆：vsa vs sis?

Would vsa be a less stressful environment for the kids? A more open learning environment? It will also have traditional Chinese as well..

I think sis has a strong academic background but i hear that it can get a bit stressful with workload etc as they progress through their primary school years?

Any comments?

作者: HIHinsurance 時間: 14-2-14 08:09

sis = 新加坡國際學校, 定南島(esf ) ?

作者: piglet123 時間: 14-2-14 08:13 標題: 回覆：vsa vs sis?

Singapore int schl

作者: HIHinsurance 時間: 14-2-14 08:24

本帖最後由 HIHinsurance 於 14-2-14 08:34 編輯

新加坡國際學校是非常一流的國際學校

你仲諗.... ?

全香港, 以國際學校計, 應該李國椿/gsis/cis , 之後到新加坡國際學校

壓力很大很大, 因為, 佢地教緊的野, 快過本地中學同本地國際學校

(英制及美制) 半年至一年

大部份小朋友都適應到

上年第一年考大學, 成績不錯

今年考大學個批成績更好(同學校老師傾過)

作者: Jane1983 時間: 14-2-14 10:41

過去3年，無見過有香港家庭系EK報喜，話PY1收左。今年，連一d新加坡passport holders都未收到信，未必有位……

如果收左，又覺得小朋友讀得，就吾好放棄。

作者: elmostoney 時間: 14-2-14 10:51

本帖最後由 elmostoney 於 14-2-14 11:00 編輯

Depends on what you are looking for.  SIS is very strong academically.  I have a friend whose 2 kids went there.  One is still there in secondary.  The younger one, after kindy and 2 years in primary, couldn't take it anymore and transferred to another IS.  The parents' comments - SIS is very, very structured.  If your child is more creative, SIS may not be the right choice as not much deviation is allowed.  Their older child fits well, so he is staying.  Their younger one is now much happier at the new school.

I was curious as well and asked my friend about after school sports because it seems SIS places a strong emphasis on after school activities as well (I think it is mandatory for children to at least attend one activity beginning from Year 3?)  The mom's feeling is that, it is just gimmick.  At the end of the day, she believes the school only cares about academics.

Ultimately, a good school is what fits a child's needs, imho.

As for SIS current academic level, I have no idea.  But I can say this - local schools' level is at least  1 year ahead of average schools in the U.S. in math.  Good local schools can also be 1 year ahead of the US in terms of English (as a subject).  So according to HIHinsurance, if SIS is ahead of local schools by  1/2 year to 1, then SIS must be 1.5 to 2 years ahead of US?

作者: elmostoney 時間: 14-2-14 10:55

Also, from what I understand, SIS' academics is ahead of CIS as well. So my question is, does strong academics make a better school? I don't have a child attending any of the schools discussed in this thread. However, I would pick VSA for mine if I were asked to choose. (and I won't even pick VSA to start with. I like the school in general, but I don't like their homework load.)

作者: piglet123 時間: 14-2-14 12:05 標題: 回覆：vsa vs sis?

Thanks for all the feedback. I guess my concern is Ard the 'structure' of sis which may limit creativity for my kids. Although I don't know everything abt VSA but given the IB structure I feel that may allow a more open-minded learning environment and promote creativity...

作者: poonseelai 時間: 14-2-14 12:37

piglet123 發表於 14-2-14 12:05
Thanks for all the feedback. I guess my concern is Ard the 'structure' of sis which may limit creati ...

I encourage you to read the bi-weekly news letter if you want to know more about what's happening at VSA

http://www.vsa.edu.hk/en/VictoriaWednesdayList.aspx

作者: HIHinsurance 時間: 14-2-14 12:47

本帖最後由 HIHinsurance 於 14-2-14 12:51 編輯

我send 左 2條vsa youtube 樓主睇

睇完你自己決定(可以不看)

我不回覆了

做人最緊要不後悔

作者: ikerberg 時間: 14-2-14 13:19

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NO wor... we are 100% local, and we did report the good news last year and 3 years ago wor ; >

作者: Jane1983 時間: 14-2-14 13:27

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睇漏左，真系吾容易！

作者: ikerberg 時間: 14-2-14 14:36

本帖最後由 ikerberg 於 14-2-14 17:06 編輯

NVM.... from my observation .... SIS's management and teachers have the enthusiasm, software and hardware to deliver top quality education to the kids, and develop their bilingual capabilities to the native level. Yes, their curriculum is intellectually demanding but we shall understand that good foundation is never built on a vacuum.... it is more apparent as far as language foundation is concerned... drilling is a must .... the difference is whether u do it in a more interesting or boring way. That SIS kids love to go to school so much is a testimony of the fact demanding school work could be done in a happier, more interesting way.

作者: minirat 時間: 14-2-14 14:45

elmostoney 發表於 14-2-14 10:51
Depends on what you are looking for. SIS is very strong academically. I have a friend whose 2 kids ...

Just a quick add-on on your 2nd paragraph. It is mandatory for students to take part in at least one ECA in local schools back in Singapore. I guess SIS might be following this "tradition" since they are adopting parts and parcel of the Singapore local education system. The school always believes that kids should have other leisure apart from academic stuffs. Whether or not the school only cares about academics, I am not in a position to comment, but I certainly do not think it is a gimmick or anything like this.

作者: whitesky 時間: 14-2-14 21:32

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If you want creativity development, SIS probably is not a good choice. If you want academics, SIS will fit you well.
I have seen some kids including my child 's few classmates and my friends' children transferred to ESF and other IS after studied in SIS some period of time. Their parents said their kids had too much stress mostly from the examinations in primary.

If your child is good at academics, he or she will fit in well. One mom told me she feels stressful to see her girl struggling, she wants to transfer out but no space available in other IS.

作者: piglet123 時間: 14-2-14 22:15 標題: 回覆：vsa vs sis?

Yes I don't really want to be a stressful mom and if I am it just destroys the relationship w my kids... Thats why its better to be in a less stressful school...

作者: mattsmum 時間: 14-2-14 22:18

Both are good schools.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 14-2-14 22:35 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+elmostoney+於+14-2-14+11:00+

原帖由 elmostoney 於 14-02-14 發表
本帖最後由 elmostoney 於 14-2-14 11:00 編輯

Depends on what you are looking for. SIS is very str ...

SIS is very, very structured. If your child is more creative, SIS may not be the right choice as not much deviation is allowed. Their older child fits well, so he is staying. Their younger one is now much happier at the new school.

Xxxxxx

Doesn't it sound familiar?

作者: picture 時間: 14-2-14 22:36

HIHinsurance 發表於 14-2-14 12:47
我send 左 2條vsa youtube 樓主睇

睇完你自己決定(可以不看)

Mind sending the youtube links to me too? I am seriously considering VSA.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 14-2-14 22:39 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+HIHinsurance+於+14-2-14+08:3

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原帖由 HIHinsurance 於 14-02-14 發表
本帖最後由 HIHinsurance 於 14-2-14 08:34 編輯

新加坡國際學校是非常一流的國際學校

全香港, 以國際學校計, 應該李國椿/gsis/cis , 之後到新加坡國際學校

Xxxxx

LPC does not count, it does not have primary or secondary.

HKIS is top as well I guess, in terms of university placement.

作者: sunflowersg 時間: 14-2-14 23:17

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你好,請問可以講下他們學生考去什麼學校嗎？謝謝，

作者: ikerberg 時間: 14-2-15 08:26

本帖最後由 ikerberg 於 14-2-15 08:35 編輯

I have nothing more to add, except the following two points:

1. Achieving success without working hard is a myth which only happens in fairy tales, or fictions if you like. Can you imagine, say, finishing a law degree, or becoming a doctor is a result of learning without stress? Some positive stress helps kids achieve progress, not just in academics, but also in the wholesome development along the path to an adult with strong mentality and resilience, which is more needed cos' in one day, we have to loosen our grasp, let go, and let them thrive on thier own.

2. When we mention 'creativity', is it measurable? Can I objectively say one school produces more 'creative' kids, while the other just stifle kids' creativity, without first building this argument on any basis? In my view, a school is good enough so long as 'creativity' is encouraged, not deterred nor discouraged....and on this ground of rich soil, the seeds of creativity in kids' DNA will grow and thrive

作者: debby1328 時間: 14-2-15 11:01 標題: 回覆：vsa vs sis?

SIS嘅幼稚園同lower primary其實並不太多功課，佢地嘅功課好多時候係課堂已經完成，學校大多數鼓勵閱讀，相比本地學校，小朋友有很多自己嘅玩樂時間，壓力其實並不是太大。但到高年班，我相信有功課考試，有壓力就每間學校都一樣。

作者: Jane1983 時間: 14-2-15 13:56

問過幾個用家，去過school tour，2次open house，同d學生傾過計，在bo o k
shop買過d書，仔細研究過。結論係SIS的workload係介乎local和其他IS之間，吾係特別重。

作者: 112200 時間: 14-2-15 14:04 標題: 回覆：vsa vs sis

從真實例子我所知道的可以分享一下。有關 structured 這字，我發覺好多人演釋錯了這字。structured 不代表壓力。sis 的確是很structured, 但不用於學生思維，而是用於課程，閱讀計劃，認字進度，presentation .... 每一樣都有一套measurement. 你會知道小朋友在那一方面好和差in details. 例如presentation老師會很有系統地讓家長知道小朋友應怎樣improve.例如，greeting , content, eye contact, creativity closing......etc 例如老師高度主張不要讓小朋死記present 的內容，而係要讓小朋友自己決定內容，天馬行空加imagination 會更好。我認識的小朋友現在每星期一次的presentation 自己一手包辦，回家和家長一起看評分紙，好開心。

作者: piglet123 時間: 14-2-15 19:50 標題: 回覆：vsa vs sis?

I think that is a fair comment Ard the curriculum being 'structured' and is probably good to be able to identify the children's weaknesses. I am more concerned ard the teaching method to be too structured which may potentially limit my kids creativity and thinking at a young age. Any comments?

作者: sunflowersg 時間: 14-2-15 19:56 標題: 回覆：ikerberg 的帖子

Strongly support!

作者: lui 時間: 14-2-15 20:51 標題: 回覆：piglet123 的帖子

在英國、紐西蘭，他們有私立學校的視學報告，讓學生思考是非常重要一環，我相信這點在香港學校很難找到。

作者: mattsmum 時間: 14-2-15 21:10

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http://www.singapore.edu.hk/imag ... ass%20of%202013.pdf

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 14-2-15 23:21 標題: 引用：從真實例子我所知道的可以分享一下。有關+s

原帖由 112200 於 14-02-15 發表
從真實例子我所知道的可以分享一下。有關 structured 這字，我發覺好多人演釋錯了這字。structured 不代表 ...

I know what this structure means. But there is an optimum structure I think, does not mean the more structure the better.

作者: piglet123 時間: 14-2-16 18:03 標題: 回覆：vsa vs sis?

Looks like a lot of the sis students go for science subjects in university...

作者: 112200 時間: 14-2-16 20:28 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+112200+於+14-02-15+發表從真

原帖由 shadeslayer 於 14-02-15 發表
I know what this structure means. But there is an optimum structure I think, does not mean the more ...

I didnt say the more structure it is, the better will be. I just want to recorrect the general interpretation of STRUCTURAL. Like it or not upto ourselves.

作者: Leisurefan 時間: 14-2-17 11:16

I have two kids in SIS, in P3 and P5 respectively. They both started from PY. I am a working mom and so count on them to work independently. Both are doing fine. For my kids, workload gradually increases from P4 onwards. I stopped checking my daughter's homework starting P3 because she said the teachers would correct and she did not need my help. My son is still working on that as boys usually mature at a later stage. My P5 girl now handles projects all on her own. She would liaise with her classmates herself to complete projects from scratches. I do not need to help at all.

In terms of homework, they spend about an hour or so everyday, if not less. My daughter sometimes completes her homework at school. Both of them have 2 CCAs every week. I only arrange for Chinese tuition as I do not have great faith in tuition. I feel that children should be attentive in class and would only intervene when they need help. They have Chinese and English spelling tests every week which do not require my help at all. I would revise with them when it comes to class tests and exams.

In terms of creativity, I am rather happy with their development. The school does not mold their thinking. They are free to express their ideas in class, or even challenge the teachers. This is particularly normal in upper primary. And parents are also bold and free in expressing views.

As expressed by other moms in this forum, there is no perfect school. The best one is the one that suits your child's character and you know your child best. VSA is a good school too. Hope this helps

作者: cherubic 時間: 14-2-17 11:54

If I have a choice between these 2 schools, I will only consider the following two factors in making the final decision.

1) Simplied Chinese vs traditional Chinese character
2) Which one my kid loves most

Both are good schools.

作者: sunflowersg 時間: 14-2-17 15:03 標題: 回覆：mattsmum 的帖子

thanks!

作者: piglet123 時間: 14-2-17 21:25 標題: 回覆：vsa vs sis?

Thanks Leisurefan. Your comment is very reassuring! I heard that the teachers call the parents regularly when their kids are falling behind in class at sis. Is it true??

作者: 112200 時間: 14-2-18 11:19 標題: 引用：Thanks+Leisurefan.+Your+comment+is+very+

原帖由 piglet123 於 14-02-17 發表
Thanks Leisurefan. Your comment is very reassuring! I heard that the teachers call the parents regu ...

I think this practice apply o
In most of the school ?

作者: Leisurefan 時間: 14-2-18 11:22

This happens at times when the mark of a student has been consistently low, I mean really low over a period of time. There are parallel classes in Chinese and Mathematics where the class size is smaller and topics taught slower. There are students in my daughter's level whose marks in these two subjects are consistently low but they are still promoted given that their overall average passes. But a student cannot fail English, or else he/she will be retained in the same level. Having said all that, there are many local parents in our school who arrange a lot of tuition for their children to make sure that their standard is maintained at a high level.

作者: piglet123 時間: 14-2-22 07:33 標題: 回覆：vsa vs sis?

Thanks for the information! I am one of those parents that do not want to advocate extra tuitions .. I think the kids should just learn from school to ensure the teaching is consistent. Otherwise extra classes may cause more confusion and pressure for the child...

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