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作者: dd04 時間: 08-3-5 15:02 標題: 兩難局面

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小兒就讀於ESF幼稚園K1課程, 但由9月開學至今, 他無論在學校或家裹也以講廣東話為主, 但09年1月要考ESF 小學了, 真的十分擔心, 若然失敗, 真的不知點算好, 先生說要Fluent English 才行, 若轉讀傳統幼稚園K3課程, 又怕他跟不上, 因已落後了2年的寫作, ESF K2也不用寫字。

當初我決定俾佢讀ESF, 也受到家人的强烈反對, 我一心想佢可以在無壓力、輕鬆愉快的英語學習環境下學習, 誰知現在真的不知如何是好!

日間佢大多由嫲嫲湊, 我倆因工作關係, 與他見面時間不多, 而且我倆的英文程度也不是太好, 好難同佢全程用英語對話, 昨日佢用廣東話時, 我故意不理采他, 並嘗試以英語與他對話, 豈料, 他竟話 “媽媽, 唔好講英文吖” 我話你唔講英文呢間學校唔要你呀, 你要去第2間學校讀呀, 點知他竟話 “好吖, 去第2間學校讀吖” 我話你唔鍾意英文呀, 他答係

我是否應該立即轉校, 以使他盡快追上傳統幼稚園緊密的進度呢?

作者: babyoush 時間: 08-3-5 17:09

原文章由 dd04 於 08-3-5 15:02 發表
兩難局面
小兒就讀於ESF幼稚園K1課程, 但由9月開學至今, 他無論在學校或家裹也以講廣東話為主, 但09年1月要考ESF 小學了, 真的十分擔心, 若然失敗, 真的不知點算好, 先生說要Fluent English 才行, 若轉讀傳統幼稚園K ...

想問下其實你有冇了解過你小朋友係學校到底明白老師幾多, 或者你問下老師你小朋友適唔適合讀IS, 我諗佢地會比到意見你, 因為只有老師先知你小朋友係學校講咩做咩

作者: Y6baba 時間: 08-3-5 18:24

"我是否應該立即轉校, 以使他盡快追上傳統幼稚園緊密的進度呢?"

係,
勉強冇幸福

so sad to hear this

作者: nonohi 時間: 08-3-6 00:18

Hello dd04

睇完你篇問題，我覺得有啲似我兩年前嘅case，我而家同你分享吓我嘅case睇吓對你有冇幫助，兩年前我又係幫個女揀佐ESF，當時佢又係一Ｄ英文都唔識，係屋企淨係同佢講廣東話(因為我嘅工人係印印)，係佢啱啱入学嘅時候佢一Ｄ英文都唔識，我當時都好擔心，不過我唸啲人成日話小朋友学習語言嘅能力好高，所以我唸比啲時間個女，睇吓會唔會有意外驚喜比自己，原來我當時嘅决定係啱嘅，跟住我自己都盡量係屋企同佢講英文(我嘅英文都係麻麻哋)，等個女都習慣同鍾意英文，見佢每日返學都好開心同每日都有進步，今年佢考小學居然都pass埋(我係舊年年中開始揾佐个外籍老師同佢上英文堂)所以你都可以試吓，睇完我嘅回應希望幫到你啦，唔好咁易放棄呀！

作者: supermummy 時間: 08-3-6 09:13

可聯絡學校，請他們給小朋交額外支援，ESF是有這配套的。

原文章由 dd04 於 08-3-5 15:02 發表
兩難局面
小兒就讀於ESF幼稚園K1課程, 但由9月開學至今, 他無論在學校或家裹也以講廣東話為主, 但09年1月要考ESF 小學了, 真的十分擔心, 若然失敗, 真的不知點算好, 先生說要Fluent English 才行, 若轉讀傳統幼稚園K ...

作者: happy_mum 時間: 08-3-6 10:23

dd04,

Sorry to hear that your decision didn't work out for your child.

Of course, all parents would want the best for their children. In term of sshool, the best school the parents can find.

However, we as a parent should also bear in mind that not all kids are suitable for a certain school. I mean "A" school may be good for a 1 kid but may not be good for another.And vice versa. Unfortunately, a lot of parents would only look at the reputation of the school rather than if the school really suits their kids.

原文章由 dd04 於 08-3-5 15:02 發表
兩難局面
小兒就讀於ESF幼稚園K1課程, 但由9月開學至今, 他無論在學校或家裹也以講廣東話為主, 但09年1月要考ESF 小學了, 真的十分擔心, 若然失敗, 真的不知點算好, 先生說要Fluent English 才行, 若轉讀傳統幼稚園K ...

作者: cheque 時間: 08-3-6 10:26 標題: Re: reply for 兩難局面

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作者: RAA 時間: 08-3-6 11:13

詢問學校, 小朋友是否適合讀國際學校, 呢點固然重要, 因為老師比較了解該小朋友嘅學習情況/學習態度.

詢問小朋友嘅諗法同樣重要, 因為佢先至係當事人, 嘗試了解一下佢唔鍾意英文嘅原因, 基本上呢個不是轉校原因, 因為讀傳統學校都要學英文. 多d詢問有關佢是否鍾意呢間學校/老師/同學, 尤其是與同學嘅相處是否OK.

是否適合讀IS? 呢點真係見仁見智. 個人認為應以小朋友性格為首要考慮原因, 讀書最緊要係可以'愉快地學習'吖嘛

. 至於父母嘅期望...., 呢點我放喺好後下, 因為我對囡囡嘅期望, 同佢讀邊種類型學校關係不大.

作者: Chewy 時間: 08-3-6 11:31

Hi RAA,

Quote from what you mentioned, "個人認為應以小朋友性格為首要考慮原因" Can you advise what kind of personality will suitable for IS? I have such a concern too.

Thanks,
Chewy :)

作者: liyinfai 時間: 08-3-6 11:42

Don't worry!
What you need to do:
1/ Believe your kid
2/ Let him go to interview for ESF primary. From the track record, over 95% of student will get a place in ESF primary
3/ If he fail finally, go to Yew Chung. Easy no difficulty!
4/ Go to lucky draw! Apply private school or DSS.
5/ Don't change to local K3 at this moment. He CANNOT catch up !

作者: RAA 時間: 08-3-6 13:21

原文章由 Chewy 於 08-3-6 11:31 發表
Hi RAA,

Quote from what you mentioned, "個人認為應以小朋友性格為首要考慮原因" Can you advise what kind of personality will suitable for IS? I have such a concern too.

Thanks,
Chewy :) ...

Hi Chewy,

呢d純粹我個人見解架咋

, 係一個非常主觀嘅諗法.

小朋友性格比較活潑, 好動, 爽朗, 主動及獨立(呢兩點好重要)的比較適合.

作者: MarcusD 時間: 08-3-6 13:53

I experienced that before.
We put our boy into English medium Kindergarten, but he did not speak English much? Only speak simple English! And people don’t understand what he said!

One year later, we suddenly speak a lot english??

May be learning a language is like making an investment, in the initial period you have to deposit constantly and yet no return. When the capital building up. THEN you will see the return.

Of course, I can not guarantee your child is suitable or not! Cause, there is a lot of factor can inference the result.

但如果你決定小學會讀國際，　當然讀真正的國際幼稚園好! Especially if you target ESF!

Think actively, how to provide a fully English environment is very important! (Movie, TV, Playgroup, read book to him,…) make sure this environments is relax and happy.

MarcusD

原文章由 liyinfai 於 08-3-6 11:42 發表
Don't worry!
What you need to do:
1/ Believe your kid
2/ Let him go to interview for ESF primary. From the track record, over 95% of student will get a place in ESF primary
3/ If he fail finally, go t ...

作者: 502 時間: 08-3-6 14:35 標題: 回覆 #8 RAA 的文章

Agreed with what RAA said -

1) 詢問學校 - the teachers should be able to let you know, after more 6 months, if you kid can learn in English. Remember the fact that both ESF kinders and ESF schools are taught in English, but not teaching English.  If you kid is not up to the standard in terms of langauge, his overall learning progress will be severly affected.

2) 詢問小朋友嘅諗法 - 嘗試了解一下佢唔鍾意英文嘅原因,  多d詢問有關佢是否鍾意呢間學校/老師/同學, 尤其是與同學嘅相處是否OK.

Sometimes the kids might try to say something to annoy the parents - especially when he / she is being forced to do something (in your case, speaking in English).

3) Last but not least, I don't think ESF kinder is the only school that can provide "無壓力、輕鬆愉快的英語學習環境" .  However if you consider to change school, the sooner the better. It does not sound a good idea to move your kid to a local or another IS kinder after spending two years with ESF.

Best wishes to you.

502

作者: jalenmama 時間: 08-3-6 15:22

What do you think about this kinder? Does he learn anything from school? I think from now on you should tell your son that the whole family is starting to speak English at home. Encourage him to speak more. Practising is very important.

My son will also start in ESF this Aug for K1. I had a bit worry whether this kinder is what I want. Today I went to hand in the contract and I saw it is only 1 teacher with quite a big class when they are teaching Maths. It is quite different with onther school which has 2 teachers and they learn in smaller group. I saw quite a lot of children they seems not really listen to what the teacher said. Of course under their theory, the teacher will not force them.

作者: dd04 時間: 08-3-6 16:32

Thanks for all the mom's comment.

nonohi,

"揾佐个外籍老師同佢上英文堂"

你是否請1個上門的外籍老師呢?
ESF舉辦的英文課程有用嗎?

謝謝!

作者: leetai828 時間: 08-3-6 17:41

吳好意思，打叉小小。。。如果你的子女入到ESF，重一路讀上去，讀到英文洛洛聲，讀到native level，但不喜歡中文，吳肯同你講中文。而你的英文又不是母語水平，你將來可以用什麽話同仔女講心事呢？講心事吳同講行街買野等閒話，吳用第一語言講吳到肉架。為左英文而令父母子女間在溝通上有隔膜值得嗎？黃子華都話啦，英文好吳等於什麽都識架。小朋友學野快，只要找個鬼婆，一個星期1對1上1，2個鍾，由小讀到中五英文都無洛洛聲至奇啦。我地上一輩邊有鬼婆private tutor教英文呀，連學校的英文老師都是半捅水，英文當然水啦。
如果你問我，我點都話血濃於英文架。
Anyway，以上一切皆無惡意，純粹8掛，吳中意聽，請不要理會。

原文章由 dd04 於 08-3-5 15:02 發表
兩難局面
小兒就讀於ESF幼稚園K1課程, 但由9月開學至今, 他無論在學校或家裹也以講廣東話為主, 但09年1月要考ESF 小學了, 真的十分擔心, 若然失敗, 真的不知點算好, 先生說要Fluent English 才行, 若轉讀傳統幼稚園K ...

作者: almom 時間: 08-3-6 18:36

原文章由 leetai828 於 08-3-6 17:41 發表
吳好意思，打叉小小。。。如果你的子女入到ESF，重一路讀上去，讀到英文洛洛聲，讀到native level，但不喜歡中文，吳肯同你講中文。而你的英文又不是母語水平，你將來可以用什麽話同仔女講心事呢？講心事吳同講行街買野等閒話，吳用第 ...

我住外國多年，認識唔少在外國土生土長的華人，
他們的父母都係唔識英文的老一輩華人，他們自小在學校用英語，但回家都可以用台山話客家話等和父母溝通。
我這些朋友，同父母關係，並不比我和我父母差。
我覺得家庭關係，主要都係互相尊重，互相扶持。
睇得香港中文報紙多，我唔覺得香港現在的年輕人，同父母關係好好，三兩日又一單家庭糾紛，好心寒。

我唔知其他人比孩子讀國際學校的原因係乜，但係我唔認為學英語係主要原因；單單要英文好，唔需要放棄本地主流教育。我相信好多家長選擇國際學校，都係因為認同國際學校整體的教育模式。
至於中國語文和中國文化，我唔覺得讀國際學校，就一定會差；相反，好多本地名校以 "英文好" 為賣點，部份名校的網頁，甚至沒有中文版本；英文授課的學校，亦比中文授課的學校受歡迎。我看見的本地主流學校，反而就正正係重英輕中。

[ 本文章最後由 almom 於 08-3-6 19:31 編輯 ]

作者: almom 時間: 08-3-6 19:23

原文章由 dd04 於 08-3-5 15:02 發表
兩難局面
小兒就讀於ESF幼稚園K1課程, 但由9月開學至今, 他無論在學校或家裹也以講廣東話為主, 但09年1月要考ESF 小學了, 真的十分擔心, 若然失敗, 真的不知點算好, 先生說要Fluent English 才行, 若轉讀傳統幼稚園K ...

我亦同意要與學校傾，睇下可以點幫幫孩子。
我比較在意的，係佢對用英語的抗拒，
其實香港各間國際學校，都會有本地長大的孩子就讀，
但少有對用英語這樣嚴重地抗拒。

如果真的擔心，轉校也未嘗不是一個解決方法；
要愉快學習，本地學校都應該有些做得到，
你可以到 "小學" 和 "幼稚園" 那邊討論區找找資料，
如果不是熱門的名幼稚園，轉校應該不太難。
其實將來如果不是想入著名小學，也不要太在意幼稚園時期學些甚麼。

其實現在有好多本地學校，都標榜國際學校的模式，
他們都係以中文為主，教學方式卻較近似西方教學模式，
而你的情形，看來的確比讀 ESF 較適合。

[ 本文章最後由 almom 於 08-3-6 19:43 編輯 ]

作者: filicity 時間: 08-3-6 21:50

I think you son really doesn't like this school and you've better to find another for him such as woodland Pre-school!

作者: des1971 時間: 08-3-7 08:35

只要父母從少跟子女有良好溝通, 我唔想信子女會因為父母唔識英文而有隔膜!!
我朋友移民美國多年, 二三十歲去到美國先開始學英文, 3名子女都係美國出生, 父母只會跟仔女講廣東話, 但佢地關係不知幾和睦, 大仔已經13歲, 係屋企會幫手湊3歲細佬, 會跟爸爸媽媽拖手出街!!

原文章由 leetai828 於 08-3-6 17:41 發表
吳好意思，打叉小小。。。如果你的子女入到ESF，重一路讀上去，讀到英文洛洛聲，讀到native level，但不喜歡中文，吳肯同你講中文。而你的英文又不是母語水平，你將來可以用什麽話同仔女講心事呢？講心事吳同講行街買野等閒話，吳用第 ...

作者: leetai828 時間: 08-3-7 10:58

Des1971, almon
哎呀，你地誤解我的意思啦，大家都用中文都溝通吳暢順。 1 個英，1個點算呢。我絕對同意大家的例子，也同意不同native language speakers 也可以溝通，但這個不是我的point。我無話不同native language speakers 不可以和諧共處，我的point 是指高層次的傾心事呀，例如小朋友想同你講情緒呀，感受呀等，如果要你用英文講，點到肉呀？講去邊樹街，買什麽送當然OK啦。父母與子女的溝通，我自己就要求由小keep 好似best friends 一樣什麽都講，如果不是，十幾歲時，他們就屬於他們的朋友架啦，我就吳想啦。

原文章由 des1971 於 08-3-7 08:35 發表
只要父母從少跟子女有良好溝通, 我唔想信子女會因為父母唔識英文而有隔膜!!
我朋友移民美國多年, 二三十歲去到美國先開始學英文, 3名子女都係美國出生, 父母只會跟仔女講廣東話, 但佢地關係不知幾和睦, 大仔已經13歲 ...

作者: des1971 時間: 08-3-7 15:22

點解你會應為講心事一定要講英文呢!? 唔會架, 小朋友唔係唔識廣東話, 以我朋友為例, 同父母祖父母溝通都係用廣東話, 佢一定識用廣東話講心事啦!! 你睇欣宜同婆婆關係幾好

原文章由 leetai828 於 08-3-7 10:58 發表
Des1971, almon
哎呀，你地誤解我的意思啦，大家都用中文都溝通吳暢順。 1 個英，1個點算呢。我絕對同意大家的例子，也同意不同native language speakers 也可以溝通，但這個不是我的point。我無話不同native language spea ...

作者: RAA 時間: 08-3-7 16:26

放心啦

, 如果小朋友係香港人, 又喺香港長大及生活, 佢地長大咗, 一定唔會唔識講廣東話. 至於層次問題, 我地平時同自己媽咪傾心事, 都唔會用好艱深嘅言詞去表達啦

作者: sks 時間: 08-3-7 18:30

dd04,
我亦曾經有妳這個經驗, 女女兩歲3個月前與我們都是全廣東話溝通, 只有playgroup才說英語.

但自從決定讓她讀國際學校後, 我便用英語與她溝通, 起初她都很抗拒, 且經常要求我說"廣東話,唔該", 若我依然用廣東話說話,她甚至會發脾氣/哭鬧.
甚至現在, 她有時和我說話也會叫我"Chinese, please. 不過我同時亦發覺她會要求爸爸'Speak in English, please'. 因爸爸是和她說廣東話,所以很難說她喜歡Chinese or English. 她只是覺得這樣玩很得意.

我覺得作為父母, 做事要堅持, 若我們搖擺不定, 孩子也很難去適應.

作者: almom 時間: 08-3-10 00:21

原文章由 leetai828 於 08-3-7 10:58 發表
Des1971, almon
哎呀，你地誤解我的意思啦，大家都用中文都溝通吳暢順。 1 個英，1個點算呢。我絕對同意大家的例子，也同意不同native language speakers 也可以溝通，但這個不是我的point。我無話不同native language spea ...

I did not misunderstand what you meant.
I just do not think that your "concerns" would not happen if you are to choose local schools instead.

If you have good relationship with your child, good. However, I do not see that the parent-child relationship in the local Chinese community is generally that good. Anyway, I think choosing a school is not merely choosing a language. There are other considerations. And the parent-child relationship is the responsibility of both parent and child. It is in your heart, and not in your words. For example, I know many mute/deaf children have good relationship with their parents.

Also, I do not think international schools are not able to promote the RESPECT of Chinese language and culture. Local students probably have much higher Chinese standard than most international school students. However you will see that most local schools, particularly local elite schools, do not really RESPECT the learning of Chinese language and culture. The best schools are mainly English medium schools, and children (and parents) are proud be a student of English medium school. Some local elite schools even have schools rules that students have to speak English all the time at the school campus.

I guess we have quite different experiences with western education. I still believe international school education is a better choice over local Hong Kong education, according to my own needs. You do not have to agree with me and do stick to your views of believing in local education. But if you think your relationship with your child is fool-proof by choosing a local school, then you have had presumed parenting to be a simple task.

[ 本文章最後由 almom 於 08-3-10 23:11 編輯 ]

作者: Chewy 時間: 08-3-10 14:31

Totally agreed!

原文章由 almom 於 08-3-10 00:21 發表

I did not misunderstand what you meant.
I just do not think that your "concerns" would not happen if you are to choose local schools instead.

If you have good relationship with your child, good. Ho ...

作者: Callas 時間: 08-3-11 15:14

原文章由 dd04 於 08-3-5 15:02 發表
兩難局面
小兒就讀於ESF幼稚園K1課程, 但由9月開學至今, 他無論在學校或家裹也以講廣東話為主, 但09年1月要考ESF 小學了, 真的十分擔心, 若然失敗, 真的不知點算好, 先生說要Fluent English 才行, 若轉讀傳統幼稚園K ...

Hi d04, if i were you, i will keep studying in ESF for the
time being, but as the other BK mami said, will ask for the teacher's opinion first. I think your case will not be the
only one, maybe the teachers will have some experience
to share with you lei?

At least finish k1, and go ask his teacher's opinion again,
you have to give him some time to adapt, as he seldom
listen to english before, now is  just half year.
And i have read from other topic here, there are some
bk mami let their children finish 1 - 2 years international
kindergarten and change back to local K3 then to local
primary, seem their children adapt well too. Ofcourse
you have to keep up the chinese level yourself.
Maybe you should ask and understand why your child
don't like the school first...... due to he don't adapt with
the way of teaching or culture? have friends or not?
Happy or not? If some reasons like that, you really have
to think about it.
I think it is far too quick to expect any happy feedbacks,
as he need to spend some effort to understand what
people are saying.
so it is not surprising for him saying that he don't
like the school.
How about let him watch some  english cartoons videos
(the educational one) at home, children must like
them, and by time, he might feel more easy listening.
If he can adapt well, just don't like you to
speak english with him at home,  don't force him then,
he have so much time at school to listen to english.
Most important element of learning language is
'environment', and you have provide him this already.
I have a friend who live in Canada, he never allow his
daughters(born in Canada) to speak english at home,
right from their baby time. Because they want to create a cantonese speaking environment, and his daughers
speaks very fluent english and cantonese now.
But ofcourse, study in hk, you have to consider so many
things, like whether he can continue P1 there or not,
so much more worries........
The above just my personal opinion, and experience, may not be correct.

And also, bare in mind that every child is different.

作者: twinsdady 時間: 08-3-12 20:22

如果妳認同國際學校的教育方法,一定不要輕易放棄,我小朋友都有相同的情况,可以與妳分享.

我的小朋友在上年九月的時候英語能力也不是很好,我也很擔心,平時每晚都有同佢地講英文故事,菲庸每天都用英語和小孩溝通,我好心急因為一月ESF就要面試.我改變了一些方法,因為小孩知道父母是說廣東話的,他們便不願用英語與我們溝通.

我跟他說由今天開始我們家裡都只說英語.除了講故事之外我們甚麼都談.三個月後,他的英語有明顯的進步.

所以不用怕,小孩子在短短幾個月好可能有很大進步,最近我到學校也看到很多小朋友都有進步.

EST TY Kinder 係一間好好的學校不要輕易放棄，老師會有好多支援，跟他她們研究吓。參加多些playgroup,(個人意見請個英語好啲的菲庸照顧小朋友會有些幫助,當然每日父母多些和小朋友溝通是最重要的,好多老人家只會"種"小朋友,大咗好難教,我有一對TWINS,當年辛苦些也要自己照顧.

不用怕,如果小朋友英語能力末達標 ESF會係3個月後再schedule一次interview.他們說interview無competition 有150個位就叫150人來interview.唔會叫200人來爭150個位,啲Teacher 好nice.

作者: kellyngng 時間: 08-3-13 18:19

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作者: samanthavikki 時間: 08-3-15 13:37

我好認同almom, 移左民o既小朋友都係焗住要講英文~
唔識講到識, 小朋友識認力好強嫁, 唔好睇少佢, 俾多啲機會佢講~

等我左講下自己個小朋友, 仔仔而家k2讀緊九龍塘傳統幼稚園, 由仔仔2歲開始我就盡量教佢多啲名詞, 但就無乜教句子(因為我自己啲英文都唔好,唔想教壞仔仔), 慢慢發現仔仔好鍾意英文. 而且仔仔唔多鍾意間學校, 成日話"我明日放假唔駛返學呀!~"
於是我就俾佢試下英基o既英文班, 果然佢o既態度好唔同, 知道有得上英文班, 出門前兩個鍾已經自己換好晒衫咩埋背包, 話"媽咪我行得啦~", 仲一路等一路話"媽咪夠鍾未呀?~" 好心急咁樣~
中文我可以自己教, 但英文就真係唔得.
於是又俾仔仔試下考某國際學校, 點知得左, 下學年就轉讀國際學校啦~ 仔仔而家成日問"我地幾時再去O個間國際學校玩呀?"(去面試時我只係同佢講話去O個間學校玩下, 同老師傾下計)

原文章由 almom 於 08-3-6 18:36 發表

我住外國多年，認識唔少在外國土生土長的華人，
他們的父母都係唔識英文的老一輩華人，他們自小在學校用英語，但回家都可以用台山話客家話等和父母溝通。
我這些朋友，同父母關係，並不比我和我父母差。
我覺得家庭關係，主要都 ...

作者: mabelku 時間: 08-3-17 15:33

其實,如果你真係想你孩子讀IS,你先要比一個英文環境佢.我女兒就剛相反,他是先讀傳統幼稚園,後來讀完K2去了IS讀P.1,佢起初都話睇電視,DVD,都要CANTONESE.我問佢係學校明不明老師講什麼,佢答HALF明白.

所以都有D擔心,之後佢睇卡通話要CANTONESE,我好絕的同佢講,你只有兩個CHOICE,第一是英文,第二是普通話.OR,唔睇.久而久之.12個月後,我發覺佢睇英文多D. 現在P.3了.佢講鐘意英文多過中文.

我的英文都不大好,在家是講中文,但是菲MIAD.

你都是讀了1個TERM, 可先做點功夫.

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