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作者: SHERMEN 時間: 16-3-27 20:59 標題: 在國際學校中學畢業
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作者: lamwwjd 時間: 16-3-27 22:26 標題: 回覆:SHERMEN 的帖子
Yes, non jupas

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作者: ANChan59 時間: 16-3-28 13:20 標題: 引用:Easy+or+more+harder
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原帖由 SHERMEN 於 16-03-27 發表
Easy or more harder
Harder, relatively higher scores.

作者: 964000 時間: 16-3-29 10:46 標題: 引用:Easy+or+more+harder
原帖由 SHERMEN 於 16-03-27 發表
Easy or more harder
Harder, if target local u better do DSE

作者: annie40 時間: 16-3-29 13:38
Most IS kids would make their grades sufficient to be amitted into HKU. If children want to apply some competitive major like Dentist, Medicine, Law and Pharmacy, they would need to work harder definitely. However, IS kids would more likely choose studying overseas.
作者: penguin_chick 時間: 16-3-30 23:29
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May I know the quota please?I only know the quota for non-jupas is limited to 25% for HKU Medical school.
Thanks!
作者: ANChan59 時間: 16-3-30 23:44
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May I know the quota please?I only know the quota for non-jupas is limited to ...
Sorry, you are right, no stated quota for local NJ students.
作者: JMSS 時間: 16-4-12 09:39 標題: 回覆:annie40 的帖子
Do you mean it is easy for those IS students to reach the min entry requirement of hk uni if they wish to apply via non jupas route?

作者: 964000 時間: 16-4-12 10:04 標題: 引用:Do+you+mean+it+is+easy+for+those+IS+stud
原帖由 JMSS 於 16-04-12 發表
Do you mean it is easy for those IS students to reach the min entry requirement of hk uni if they wi ...
I think just meeting minimum requirement, at the end subject to competition.

作者: annie40 時間: 16-4-13 22:51
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香港孩子在國際學校讀書,成績普遍是中上,中等約是IB 35 分,再高的是40 分以上. 35 分已經夠入HKU, 40 分以上咪考慮下Law, Medi, Pharmancy. Global business, 精算,上年Shatin College 好似有四成40分以上。這是個別佳績,不代表年年如是。
交了多年學費,不妨多點發夢,夢想放大一點。
作者: Park88 時間: 16-4-13 23:51
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Oh... 四成40分以上?非常之好喎!
作者: samsam123321 時間: 16-4-14 07:18
Park88 發表於 16-4-13 23:51 
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Oh... 四成40分以上?非常之好喎!
看似容易,但本地學生除超級名校生,真係做唔到這種成績。
作者: poonseelai 時間: 16-4-14 09:03 標題: 回覆:在國際學校中學畢業
講到IB咁容易取高分, 又難怪有家長覺得是捷徑, Shatin College 2015 年成績真亮麗, 但大部分学校只有兩成多D学生取40+, 有家長已列出香港IB school 成績, 可参考一下

作者: poonseelai 時間: 16-4-14 09:08 標題: 回覆:在國際學校中學畢業
睇番2013 和 2014年成績, shatin college 考獲 40+ 分別有 17% 和18%, 2015 真是大躍進。

作者: cpmummy 時間: 16-4-14 12:46 標題: 回覆:在國際學校中學畢業
上年成績真係勁!其實硬件配套年年如是,只可講上批學生特別有天資加努力

作者: samsam123321 時間: 16-4-14 19:00
其實係父母陪養子女的效果。你們不覺得國際學校的中國藉學生比較全面嗎?
作者: annie40 時間: 16-4-14 21:25
已經講左是個別某年某校佳績,其他ESF是每年約20- 25 pct 是40分以上。
作者: annie40 時間: 16-4-14 21:30
孩子走到18歲,父母是成擔心機放下去培養,努力和結果成正比吧!
作者: nintendo 時間: 16-4-15 11:54
annie40 發表於 16-4-14 21:25 
已經講左是個別某年某校佳績,其他ESF是每年約20- 25 pct 是40分以上。
對 ESF 特別迷信的,多數是仔女年紀較小的。
我們有仔女已上高中,甚至已畢業的,比較明白數據的意義。
作者: nintendo 時間: 16-4-15 12:12
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JMSS 發表於 16-4-12 09:39 
Do you mean it is easy for those IS students to reach the min entry requirement of hk uni if they wi ...
Let's take the ESF schools as example. The average of ESF schools are all in the range of 35. By estimation, we can say that roughly 50% of the students at ESF get 35 or up. To be conservative, and for those skeptical, let's say 40-45% gets 35 or up.
Just last year (2015 cohort), I heard from school that someone got offer from a "big 3" with 31. I know which uni and what program but I do not want to disclose.
Now. It comes to how we compare IB 31 with the lowest score of DSE that got offer.
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 16-4-15 13:28 標題: 引用:+本帖最後由+nintendo+於+16-4-15+12:14+編
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What is the lowest DSE score for that particular subject?

作者: samsam123321 時間: 16-4-15 14:08
nintendo 發表於 16-4-15 12:12 
Let's take the ESF schools as example. The average of ESF schools are all in the range of 35. By es ...
你無考慮讀得is 的中國藉學生父母都係好緊張學習。跟本同普通Ls 學生唔同。
作者: Jane1983 時間: 16-4-15 14:18
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吾係啦,學校功課和測考少,小朋友鬆好多。
見過癲的父母搭IS,和癲的父母搭傳統谷的名小,兩個小朋友的生活差好遠。
作者: slamai 時間: 16-4-15 14:52
nintendo 發表於 16-4-15 12:12 
Let's take the ESF schools as example. The average of ESF schools are all in the range of 35. By es ...
A simplified example to compare IB 31 with DSE score:
Assume bonus = 1
IB 7 ~ DSE 5*
IB 6 ~ DSE 5
IB 5 ~ DSE 4, etc.
So IB 31 = 30 + 1 = 6 x 5 + 1
~ DSE 4C + 2 = 6 x 4 = 24
OR 4C + 1 = 20
作者: oooray 時間: 16-4-15 16:41 標題: 引用:Quote:annie40+發表於+16-4-14+21:25+已經
原帖由 nintendo 於 16-04-15 發表
對 ESF 特別迷信的,多數是仔女年紀較小的。
我們有仔女已上高中,甚至已畢業的,比較明白數據的意義。
...
考試唔係大抽獎,就算歷史數據90%係40+,你唔努力,水平唔夠,永遠只會係後面嗰10%.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 16-4-15 20:27 標題: 引用:Quote:原帖由+nintendo+於+16-04-15+發表對
原帖由 oooray 於 16-04-15 發表
考試唔係大抽獎,就算歷史數據90%係40+,你唔努力,水平唔夠,永遠只會係後面嗰10%.
...
你講的,當然正確。但也不要低估同學間的互相影響和暗裏較勁。

作者: nintendo 時間: 16-4-15 22:19
slamai 發表於 16-4-15 14:52 
A simplified example to compare IB 31 with DSE score:
Assume bonus = 1
Thank you for trying to come up with some way to compare.
I am not familiar with DSE scores. So how good (or bad) is a score of 20-24?
作者: NoahArk 時間: 16-4-15 22:43 標題: 回覆:nintendo 的帖子
I talked to a HKU law admission tutor the other day and he said HKU law absolutely prefers IB to DSE students. According to him, IB students are much better prepared for university education and more teachable. They are simply more pleasant to teach.

作者: maomaofafa 時間: 16-4-16 01:41 標題: 回覆:在國際學校中學畢業
考到,但會追得辛苦,尤其數學(因為本地生真的很勤力操練,模式不同)。而且國際學校學生同本地學校學生諗野好唔一樣,未必傾得埋或合作到。其實本地大學也沒什麼值得考吧,既然讀國際學校不如放眼世界考國外大學更好吧。(當然如果說想留在家人身邊另作別論)

作者: samsam123321 時間: 16-4-16 10:17
朋友公司過去幾年已唔再in 普通local school 學生了。只in IS 同極名校local school學生了。發現普遍Ls 學生的不足,同iS 學生的差中文,都係問題
作者: 964000 時間: 16-4-16 10:27 標題: 引用:朋友公司過去幾年已唔再in+普通local+schoo
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朋友公司過去幾年已唔再in 普通local school 學生了。只in IS 同極名校local school學生了。發現普遍Ls 學 ...
LS你指university?好少公司看中學邊間請人喎

作者: samsam123321 時間: 16-4-16 10:30
Jane1983 發表於 16-4-15 14:18 
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吾係啦,學校功課和測考少,小朋友鬆好多。
但最終效果係點?
作者: samsam123321 時間: 16-4-16 10:32
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964000 發表於 16-4-16 10:27 
LS你指university?好少公司看中學邊間請人喎
朋友公司係請專業人士,必要讀一下本地大學。但好多時性格已在中學形成。中文也是。
作者: nintendo 時間: 16-4-16 11:01
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maomaofafa 發表於 16-4-16 01:41 
考到,但會追得辛苦,尤其數學(因為本地生真的很勤力操練,模式不同)。而且國際學校學生同本地學校學生諗 ...
追乜?你指 IS 要追 Math ?未聽過。
反而有朋友在某大學教書,呻話 local 生的數唔掂,搞到一班 tutor 要幫手補習。
反而 IS 生基本功好 d,分析能力好 d。
盲目操練,只令一般計算速度快 d,對思考能力的增強冇幫助。
其實 "IS 生數學差" 呢個想法十分落後,很多 IS 已不再零功課,就算外國,不少學校也參考了亞洲國家教數學的經驗,加了適量的功課。
港生以為自己叻 d ,自我感覺良好,好危險,不進則退。
至於選擇大學,事實 IS 生一向傾向去英美,呢點和家庭背景有關,即使是華人學生,父母以往也在英美生活過,佢地多數喜歡去外國。
但近十年八年多了十分多本地家庭的孩子入 IS ,父母本身也是一直在香港,因此相對多了人選擇在香港讀。
這是個人選擇。
作者: Jane1983 時間: 16-4-16 11:07
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未到最終,讀IS的,補完仲有幾多hea玩時間。Local果個,放學去補習社,返到屋企都晚飯,飯后仲有呢樣果樣,父母再錫,女兒再乖,大d都可能爆煲,因為果安排係吾人道。
作者: nintendo 時間: 16-4-16 11:14
oooray 發表於 16-4-15 16:41 
考試唔係大抽獎,就算歷史數據90%係40+,你唔努力,水平唔夠,永遠只會係後面嗰10%.
問題係 99% 家長,在小朋友入 ESF kindie 時己經認定自己小朋友係 top 的一批,40 分在手咁大口氣。
作者: oooray 時間: 16-4-16 11:42 標題: 引用:Quote:oooray+發表於+16-4-15+16:41+考試唔
原帖由 nintendo 於 16-04-16 發表
問題係 99% 家長,在小朋友入 ESF kindie 時己經認定自己小朋友係 top 的一批,40 分在手咁大口氣。
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呢樣先恐怖。算你40%40+,即係60%40-。全校平均35,36,37都好,即係最終有一半人低於此數,唔係一兩個,係一半。成績係自己砌番黎,唔係學校派比你,一間派多D40+,一間派少D。

作者: samsam123321 時間: 16-4-16 12:51
Jane1983 發表於 16-4-16 11:07 
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未到最終,讀IS的,補完仲有幾多hea玩時間。Local果個,放學去補習社,返到屋企 ...
我自己見,唔覺得去完補習社果班會係性格上有進步。
作者: samsam123321 時間: 16-4-16 12:57
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nintendo 發表於 16-4-16 11:14 
問題係 99% 家長,在小朋友入 ESF kindie 時己經認定自己小朋友係 top 的一批,40 分在手咁大口氣。
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作者: samsam123321 時間: 16-4-16 23:06
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oooray 發表於 16-4-16 11:42 
呢樣先恐怖。算你40%40+,即係60%40-。全校平均35,36,37都好,即係最終有一半人低於此數,唔係一兩個,係一 ...
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作者: annie40 時間: 16-4-16 23:32
人生的每個階段也要重新洗牌,有書讀,乖乖地,就一定有運行。家長認定40分以上是基本的學習目標,反而會收窄視野,阻礙孩子的發展。
總之看多些書,計下算術,正道是終身學習,無論點様洗牌,洗多少次,如何洗,都無有怕呢。
作者: oooray 時間: 16-4-16 23:57 標題: 引用:Quote:oooray+發表於+16-4-16+11:42+呢樣先
原帖由 samsam123321 於 16-04-16 發表
每間學校都是這樣,除非你平均分係42, 否則唔係咁分佈唔通全校個個人都係35分? ...
我只是回應及認同Nintendo說,不少家長入了一間有點名氣的學校,便以為天下無敵,願望達成,而忘記其中有大部份人將來只是替別人抬轎。

作者: samsam123321 時間: 16-4-17 20:53
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oooray 發表於 16-4-16 23:57 
我只是回應及認同Nintendo說,不少家長入了一間有點名氣的學校,便以為天下無敵,願望達成,而忘記其中有大 ...
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作者: slamai 時間: 16-4-18 20:51
nintendo 發表於 16-4-15 22:19 
Thank you for trying to come up with some way to compare.
I am not familiar with DSE scores. So how ...
From my simplified example, it may be assumed that the DSE score for Best 5 is 21 or above which is more realistic than all subjects having same score of 4.
This DSE score may be admitted to the following Big 3 programmes in 2015:
HKU Science (lowest Best 6 = 24)
UST Science (lower quartile 4C+1 = 21)
CU English (lower quartile Best 5 = 20)
CU Engine (lower quartile 4C+1 = 20)
The following link is relevant:
http://www.jupas.edu.hk/f/page/267/af_2015.pdf
作者: Cara2006 時間: 16-4-21 11:40
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slamai 發表於 16-4-15 14:52 
A simplified example to compare IB 31 with DSE score:
Assume bonus = 1
So you mean DSE 5** worth higher than IB 7? I do not agree. You need to take into consideration the content of the curriculum. IB English A is miles harder than DSE English. Note that English B HL covers some literature, but DSE English does not. So my view is DSE English cannot even be considered in par with English B HL. IB Chinese A is definitely harder than a DSE Chinese. Like I said Chinese B HL covers literature. So I would say DSE Chinese is probably somewhere between Chinese A SL and Chinese B HL. Also Math SL comprises Calculus, while DSE Math core is really easy.
Jupas admission look primary at the core subjects and if we look at the actual standard of these core subjects, I do believe IB students are better. This is probably the reason why many programs (except "god-programs" like medicine and law) do take students with a mere 31-33 (a lot lower than the average of 35 of most schools). So, if the lowest score local universities (big 3) accepted was 31, I can estimate at least 60% of IB students met the entry requirements of local universities (big 3). However, it is also true most IB students do not aim to study in Hong Kong and many of them did not even apply.
PS. Read that lots of DSE students complaint that IB students used "short cut" to get into local universities. May be they should ask themselves whether they can in any way pass a Language A class first before complaining.
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 16-4-21 13:17 標題: 引用:+本帖最後由+Cara2006+於+16-4-21+11:45+編
原帖由 Cara2006 於 16-04-21 發表
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Whether Ib is easier than DSE is difficult to come to a conclusion. Even if we assume IB is less academically demanding than DSE, people should think about why local universities would accept students with less academic achievements.

作者: slamai 時間: 16-4-21 16:54
Cara2006 發表於 16-4-21 11:40 
So you mean DSE 5** worth higher than IB 7? I do not agree. You need to take into consideration the ...
While I generally agree with your comments, a comparison of individual subjects is beyond the current discussion. My simplified example has adopted a conversion scale similar to UCAS tariff table which is also commonly found in the conditional offers of many overseas universities. For competitive UK universities, they give offers based on 3 electives of DSE, though sometimes also with min requirements on the core subjects.
作者: annie40 時間: 16-4-21 18:18
兩種學習模式的教和學所採用的資源是完全不對等。希望應考DSE的孩子加倍努力,而應考IB的孩子加倍感恩。
覺得孰難孰易?努力地温習大學考試的精英學生話回頭看,兩個試也是小兒科而已,現在才是最辛苦。
作者: samsam123321 時間: 16-4-21 23:48
shadeslayer 發表於 16-4-21 13:17 
Whether Ib is easier than DSE is difficult to come to a conclusion. Even if we assume IB is less aca ...
好簡單,因為現實生活工作不需要dse 的training,Ib的training.更乎合現實工作需要。
作者: annie40 時間: 16-4-22 08:03
如果IB課程的創辦者還健在,聽到IB是training 學生們更乎合實際工作需要, 也許會吐血。
IB 精神應該是教育, 教育孩子廣納,包容,行善,自省,習慣批判思考,有創新勇氣,享受終身學習, 以小我惠及大我為樂。
這樣的人,十分合適自僱, 又或當企業家, 並間接和直接地為社會創造工作。
DSE 孩子有自己的路,聰明,肯吃苦的,就是未來的馬雲,王衞,余佳文。
作者: bristol 時間: 16-4-22 10:40
To compare the standard of HKDSE and IB, we may look at the grade distribution. Take Chemistry as an example:-
HKDSE 5** = 2.6% ; IB (HL) 7 = 10%
HKDSE 4 or above = 51.7% IB (HL) 4 or above = 73%
The percentage of candidates getting a 7 in IB is higher than a 5** in HKDSE. However, the quality of IB students (in terms of financial support, family background etc) is better than HKDSE as a whole. In some HK schools offering both HKDSE and IB curriculum, only high caliber students are allowed to take IB .
http://www.ibo.org/contentassets/bc850970f4e54b87828f83c7976a4db6/may-2014-stats-bulletin.pdf
http://www.hkeaa.edu.hk/DocLibrary/Media/PR/20150714_HKDSE_Results_ENG_FULL.pdf
作者: poonseelai 時間: 16-4-22 11:22 標題: 回覆:在國際學校中學畢業
無謂比較, 兩個制度和要求不同, 比較意義不大, 更何況話邊個難D或易D, 甚至他日做什麼。 IB在港只是少眾, 亦是父母孩子的選擇, DSE 無奈地非学術型孩子也要参與, 讀IB 也有 hea 住讀 hea 住考的学生。

作者: 964000 時間: 16-4-22 13:30 標題: 引用:無謂比較,+兩個制度和要求不同,+比較意義不
原帖由 poonseelai 於 16-04-22 發表
無謂比較, 兩個制度和要求不同, 比較意義不大, 更何況話邊個難D或易D, 甚至他日做什麼。 IB在港只是少眾, ...
Agree, I saw a lot of smart and capable DSE grats too, sometimes is a combination of family background, character, parenting etc rather than just related to the education system. I always think for a smart person, any system will thrive. Just choose the one you feel more comfortable and you believe in.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 16-4-22 13:42 標題: 回覆:在國際學校中學畢業
Of course we can't generalize or stereotype to all individuals in DSE or IB.
My daughter does debate classes every week and some of her local school classmates have perfect English (to my ears) and excellent ideas.
Smart kids are smart kids and they will do well regardless of the curriculum you throw at them.

作者: LuiLuiLaw 時間: 16-4-25 11:02 標題: 引用:Quote:nintendo+發表於+16-4-16+11:14+問題
原帖由 samsam123321 於 16-04-16 發表
你講的情況也發生係其他名校,無咩特別。
認同你說法,我本身好緊張自己小朋友既學業,亦覺得自己小朋友聰明,受教,愛思考,語言能力比人強,其他學科程度也高過同班同學.....我最終選擇國際學校,不是炫耀什麼,只希望佢活得怏樂,愉快學習,多過只求分數,唔希望為左成績而傷害母子關係

作者: joyjoyparent 時間: 16-5-5 00:48
回覆 Cara2006 的帖子
I guess the answer is yes and no. Yes, IB language syllabi have covered more literature elements and their IAs are more vigorous and demanding. No, IB language exams are marked with divergent markers around the world, and thus they can accept diverse answers. But the DSE exam is more restrictive and have a standardised marking scheme. And the DSE exam questions are trickier. Thus, to say that IB is more demanding needs qualification.
作者: 熊寶貝 時間: 16-5-5 04:33 標題: 回覆:在國際學校中學畢業
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作者: mrschan256 時間: 16-5-22 09:25 標題: 引用:+本帖最後由+Cara2006+於+16-4-21+11:45+編
原帖由 Cara2006 於 16-04-21 發表
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do u mean in IB , they will take 31-35 for med?

作者: lui 時間: 16-5-22 11:00 標題: 引用:Quote:原帖由+Cara2006+於+16-04-21+發表本
原帖由 mrschan256 於 16-05-22 發表
do u mean in IB , they will take 31-35 for med?
Inpossible! For med at least 40.

作者: mirrorla 時間: 16-5-23 07:31 標題: 引用:Most+IS+kids+would+make+their+grades+suf
原帖由 annie40 於 16-03-29 發表
Most IS kids would make their grades sufficient to be amitted into HKU. If children want to apply s ...
係呀,好多國際中學畢業後都放洋

作者: nintendo 時間: 16-5-23 11:37
mrschan256 發表於 16-5-22 09:25 
do u mean in IB , they will take 31-35 for med?
I think she meant "except".Medicine: you need at least 43-44 to get interview.
作者: nintendo 時間: 16-5-23 11:46
poonseelai 發表於 16-4-22 11:22 
無謂比較, 兩個制度和要求不同, 比較意義不大, 更何況話邊個難D或易D, 甚至他日做什麼。 IB在港只是少眾, ...
Fact is, most of the time, IB students do not really know and care how DSE students are doing.
These comparison were mainly requested by students and parents of local school.
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