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標題: 如果10歲就一定會回流返canada，咁應該點選擇好呢？ [打印本頁]
作者: oneonemama 時間: 14-4-23 15:25 標題: 如果10歲就一定會回流返canada，咁應該點選擇好呢？
老公是Canadian, bb七月出世，會自動入加藉。為左小朋友，決定會10年後回流返Canada比小朋友係canada升學。
咁到底係香港呢段時間，係咪一定要比佢入讀IS? 我想bb有個快樂童年，本身亦唔喜歡田鴨式教育，姪女全部係canada返學係好開心，language 好又creative。係咪只有IS 先會用活動教學？如果英文私校如維多利亞，係咪上到小學都會跟返普通小學咁谷學生架？
由於初為人母，乜都唔識，希望大家可以比下意見。
作者: HelloNBaby 時間: 14-4-23 15:58 標題: 回覆：如果10歲就一定會回流返canada，咁應該點選擇好呢？
我跟你想法好相似！本人跟先生都係Canadian, 兩個小朋友自動入籍！大仔九月升k1, 依家attending local Intn'l kg, 之前 still struggling local 定 IS k1!! 因幸運地小兒考入esf, 聽說esf kg is a happy school, for sure 有一個愉快童年，I hate 填鴨式too, and believe 啟發思考 would be more useful than everything!! 況且在他五至六歲左右都打算回流返加國讀書！眼見人家的小朋友每日放學後學東學西，回家後做功課做到十一、二點，那怕小朋友未到小一已經吾想返學、對學習冇興趣！加上在職教育界的朋友們力勸之下，最後決定選讀IS!!
這只是個人分享，希望有助你參考！
作者: oneonemama 時間: 14-4-23 16:08 標題: 引用：我跟你想法好相似！本人跟先生都係Canadian
原帖由 HelloNBaby 於 14-04-23 發表
我跟你想法好相似！本人跟先生都係Canadian, 兩個小朋友自動入籍！大仔九月升k1, 依家attending local Intn ...
請問你有無做咩plan等小b可以入到ESF 幼稚園？如果一早入佢地play group, 會否幫助入幼稚園？
作者: pandaforever 時間: 14-4-23 16:21 標題: 回覆：oneonemama 的帖子
I would go the IS route regardless whether you are returning to Canada or not.
作者: victoryu19 時間: 14-4-23 16:24
Similar to us.
We are Canadian and will likely send our son back to Canada to continue his education after primary school.
He is currently attending local school (PN) but it is an absolute disaster in my opinion. We will be switching to IS for K1 on September.
作者: oneonemama 時間: 14-4-23 16:28 標題: 引用：Similar+to+us.We+are+Canadian+and+will+l
原帖由 victoryu19 於 14-04-23 發表
Similar to us.
We are Canadian and will likely send our son back to Canada to continue his educatio ...
作者: HelloNBaby 時間: 14-4-23 18:38 標題: 回覆：oneonemama 的帖子
My son had attended Intn'l play group while he was 1 yr old til 1.5yr. Then he is attending local Intn'l PN now. As what I said, to me, he is so lucky to get an offer from IS K1, since he is a August baby. I have consider if I continue to keep him to study in local school coz I want him to learn more Chinese before back to Canada. But as I observed all around and know from his teacher that they will start to 谷小朋友 in K1下學期，to me (studied in Canada before), can't accept this 失去童年的填鴨學習！！So lastly I choose IS K1!!
作者: Radiomama 時間: 14-4-23 19:25 標題: 回覆：如果10歲就一定會回流返canada，咁應該點選擇好呢？
My nephew struggled in local school and at last went to Canada early this year by himself. His Chinese is ok but not sure if he could go thru DSE.
My boy is studying in IS and is happier than my nephew ( compare with their primary school life). Therefore I would say it's a right move.
However the life is not easy in Canada nowadays. Competitiveness all around!
作者: jolalee 時間: 14-4-23 22:37
I agree with what most people said here, and our family had decided on IS before the child was born. He just got accepted into my top school choice, after much effort in keeping him in an English speaking environment. Now that the dust has settled, like what most parents are be concerned about, my target now turns to ensuring that my boy can retain a fair amount of Chinese [speaking, reading & writing]. My friends back in Canada all spend most of their effort in teaching their kids Chinese as well.
Interestingly, my family immigrated to Canada when i was 10 years old (the target age for your child to move back to Canada). I went to a traditional local school in HK before then, where everything but the English class was taught in Chinese. As expected, i had a really hard time adapting to an English speaking environment, but just for about half a year. I survived and thrived, slowly gearing up and graduated high school with an A in English. I continue to enjoy the Chinese language. Given i had a solid Chinese education up to Primary 4 and a self-motivated interest, i kept my level of Chinese so I'm able to read well and write fairly. Most people find it a miracle that i can somewhat compose essays/stories in Chinese. If you ask me, being in a local school since birth was a key part to my ability to still do Chinese now.
If you opt for IS given you know your child will be educated in Canada from age 10 onwards, that ability to be able to do Chinese will probably be lost. Everyone's value is different so i'll leave the judgement to you. If i was able to choose my own fate, in terms of having a great childhood with a child appropriate education system versus the ability to retain Chinese, i'd say that is a super tough call even for myself.
Of course being in an IS isn't an end-all to having decent Chinese reading & writing abilities, but it is an uphill battle and something that you must take into consideration as well.
作者: torunpoland 時間: 14-4-23 23:47
如果係好肯定好肯定十歲返加拿大, 應該在香港讀直資, 既可學中文又不會過於操練.
一句到尾, 過到加拿大, 想學好的中文, 唔係唔得, 而係好難, 配套要好夠先得. 除非不介意小朋友的中文水平吧!
作者: oneonemama 時間: 14-4-24 00:08 標題: 引用：如果係好肯定好肯定十歲返加拿大,+應該在香
原帖由 torunpoland 於 14-04-23 發表
如果係好肯定好肯定十歲返加拿大, 應該在香港讀直資, 既可學中文又不會過於操練.
一句到尾, 過到加拿大, ...
To be honest, LS is not my cup of tea, 我真係希望我小朋友係每日開心咁享受校園生活，而唔係每日做功課做到10-11pm
中文我要求唔高，我表弟妹係canada出世，只係canada一星期上一小時中文，屋企講中文，so far 佢地講係完全ok, 可以睇得明基本中文。我覺得世界語言始終係英文，將來小朋友會係咩國家發展都未知。
其實我係concern非傳統教育，是否一定得IS? 有無其他學校可以考慮
作者: oneonemama 時間: 14-4-24 00:10 標題: 引用：I+agree+with+what+most+people+said+here,
原帖由 jolalee 於 14-04-23 發表
I agree with what most people said here, and our family had decided on IS before the child was born. ...
I really want to know if we let our bb go to international PN, will it be much easier for him to get into IS k1?
作者: argump 時間: 14-4-24 09:41
I'm so happy that someone starts this thread because I'm on the same boat; and I'm glad to hear we're all thinking along the same line.
My son was in local international stream PN and now he is IS K1 with a strong mandarin support from school. I'm also planning to bring him back to Canada when he is around age 8 or may be after primary school so that he can have a better grabs in Chinese. I think that's what I'll set for him in education and I'll use his spare time (not overloaded with homework time) to enjoy the culture, family and activities in Hong kong while we are still here. I studied local primary school in HK and in my memory it is all about recite the textbook and going to school. So I don't want his childhool is filled with school and textbook either :)
However my other concern is when is the best time to bring him back so that he is more easier to adapt?? I'm not very familiar with Canada (Toronto more specific) primary school system.. which grade in your opinion is the best time for him to go back?
Thanks!
作者: jolalee 時間: 14-4-24 14:15
本帖最後由 jolalee 於 14-4-24 14:17 編輯
oneonemama 發表於 14-4-24 00:10 
For you boy, did he go to international PN?
I really want to know if we let our bb go to internatio ...
Yes, we have decided on IS all the way, so he went to an international PN with only 2-3 canto speaking family within the entire kindie. I spoke English to my son from age 10 month - 2 years 3 months, so he is basically a native English speaker. That's because we were aiming for top through-train IS which are really hard to get into (those with high IB scores).
For your case it is different (and easier) since you are looking basically for a quality kindie+primary, and that the quality of Chinese is not too big an issue. In general the more chinese the school has, usually the more drilling & rote learning the school does as well. (i am sure there are exceptions, however).
Given you are looking for a happy & quality kindie+primary school, here are a few good suggestions:
> YCIS (Yew Chung): High school is bad but kindie & lower primary is amazing, especially on language acquisition and early childhood education.
> IMS: Wonderful Montessori teaching, but only if you are a Montessori fan yourself. Excellent overall academics, low chinese population.
> Private independent schools (PIS, but not to be confused with ESF-PIS): Victoria (IB), Kingston (IB), Anfield (UK) etc. Happy kindie, not sure about primary, but i am sure they are not as crazy as LS. Best to ask parents in Victoria if you are interested in that school; they do expect trilingual babies for K1/K2 interviews.
> Local 'happy' schools such as 蔡繼有 ＆陳守仁. I am not as familiar with those, but you can always find out more from others in the LS forums.
Hope this helps. If i left out other options, fellow parents please feel free to add to the list.
作者: jolalee 時間: 14-4-24 14:23
本帖最後由 jolalee 於 14-4-25 03:54 編輯
argump 發表於 14-4-24 09:41
I'm so happy that someone starts this thread because I'm on the same boat; and I'm glad to hear we'r ...
I like your line of thinking ;)
I think age 8 is good as they are still quite adaptable at this age but have already acquired sufficient memories of Asian culture in this city. I'd say anything from age 8-12 is good, given the aim is enough Chinese exposure here but not to a point it is hard to adapt to a foreign culture.
For kids growing up in IS though, i wouldn't worry at all, even if they graduate high school in HK, which is what our family aims to do.
作者: picture 時間: 14-4-24 14:40 標題: 回覆：如果10歲就一定會回流返canada，咁應該點選擇好呢？
IMHO, IS in HK provides better education than Public schools in Canada.
Even if I would send my kids for overseas education, Canadian Universities would not top my list. Leave UBC and SFU and UofT to mainland immigrants.
作者: oooray 時間: 14-4-24 16:11
回覆 argump 的帖子
Ontario Secondary School Diploma (OSSD) is covering Grade 9-12. It may be good to go before Grade 9 or wait until university stage.
作者: victoryu19 時間: 14-4-24 16:40
We are planning to send our kid back to Canada when he is 12 or so (grade 7).
作者: Radiomama 時間: 14-4-24 17:14
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What is your plan in Canada? Public school or private school?
作者: gatochat 時間: 14-4-24 17:41
It is unfair to say all local schools are pushy, well, at least at kindergarten level.
I am a Montessori teacher myself so local pushy school is definitely not my cup of tea. We moved to HK in 2012 and my son was accepted into a local happy school (medium of teaching is Cantonese). He has settled well after some adjustment, which is understanding considered he went to a Montessori kindergarten in London.
My son has leant some good Chinese and the amount of homework is very reasonable. His school has their own teaching materials (in some ways similar to the Montessori ones) and I'm especially impressed with their Maths curriculum. My son is in K2 now and he has 2 homework a day, which take him 10 mins to complete. I think their school is quite interactive considering it's a local schools. They spend time each day at their topic interactive area playing on their self chosen activities. There are lots of open spaces which means my child is not locked in an air conditioned room all day.
I decided to send my son to a local school is that I do not want him to pick up bad English, as my friend's child had. My friend's child attended an local international kindy and spoke mainly English at home. My friend's child's English had actually gone worse since he started school. It was not the school's problem, he actually picked it up from the children of the school. Since a lot of the children's parents were not native speakers and inevitably passed on some Chinlish to their children. Filipino English is another problem. My friend's child ended up speaking Chinlish and almost no Chinese. I could barely understand him when I met him a few times before. It was not until he started at IS that his English started to improve.
I would rather my child learn English from me (I speak to him in English now) and then learn some good Chinese at school. Also, 3 hrs a day at school is not a long time (minus snack/toilet/going home time), just how can a school have enough time to teach Cantonese + Mandarin + English properly everyday?
Another reason I sent my son to local school is that I really want him to learn some good Chinese. My hubby can't read n write Chinese and he was disadvantaged when he was job hunting in HK. We will move back to London in a couple of years' time so for me, learning some Chinese is very important now. It is quite unlikely he will want to learn Chinese when he is in an English environment.
I will try and apply some interactive local primary school for my son, although I have to say I do have a back up plan if he doesn't get into any of those. After all we've all been through the local school system and have managed to learn some good English when we moved overseas. But I have never met any BBC with good Chinese.
Please note that this is only my personal opinion. Do not get offended if you do not agree with my views.
作者: torunpoland 時間: 14-4-24 17:51 標題: 回覆：oneonemama 的帖子
就到底，是否返、幾時返加拿大，根本對本地定國際學校，關係不大。
作者: jolalee 時間: 14-4-24 20:15
victoryu19 發表於 14-4-24 16:40
We are planning to send our kid back to Canada when he is 12 or so (grade 7).
Note that for a child not yet mature, it is best to keep him with the parents. I have seen too many cases (my high school class mates from HK) going down the wrong track since they are lonely and unbound in Toronto. Triads, car accidents due to speeding (a friend died when we were 16), gambling school tuition away, smoking, unwanted pregnancy... you name it i've seen it.
Unless you plan to keep him in a very private academy with strong discipline, i really do not recommend you sending your child down that path, even if he has grandparents/aunts & uncles there. No one can replace mom & dad.
作者: oneonemama 時間: 14-4-24 20:41 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+jolalee+於+14-4-24+14:17+編
原帖由 jolalee 於 14-04-24 發表
本帖最後由 jolalee 於 14-4-24 14:17 編輯
And u really read my mind, I just want my boy can enjoy his childhood and not just have to keep on doing homework all the time
Actually, I want to find the easier way for my boy to get into the great school, so I don't mind to let him join the play group in IS if it can help to get the first priority to get into the PN
作者: jolalee 時間: 14-4-25 00:51
gatochat 發表於 14-4-24 17:41
I decided to send my son to a local school is that I do not want him to pick up bad English, as my friend's child had. My friend's child attended an local international kindy and spoke mainly English at home. My friend's child's English had actually gone worse since he started school. It was not the school's problem, he actually picked it up from the children of the school. Since a lot of the children's parents were not native speakers and inevitably passed on some Chinlish to their children. Filipino English is another problem. My friend's child ended up speaking Chinlish and almost no Chinese. I could barely understand him when I met him a few times before. It was not until he started at IS that his English started to improve.
In regards to being disadvantaged without knowing Chinese for job hunting, i think it is becoming more and more true nowadays. My husband cannot read or write Chinese either but it never deterred him in his career, but he is probably the dying breed from the last generation. In regards to oversea born Chinese with a good command of spoken and written Chinese language, i have actually met a few myself. They are rare and are usually very driven themselves. For the context of this topic (raising kids) though, it is true we cannot include exceptions to the general trend (but be aware that they do exist).
For kids planning to leave HK in a few years, i personally do think going local is a better option, but only IF a 'happy local primary school' can be found. (Happy kindie is never a problem) I am guessing your 'back up plan' has something to do with yourself being a teacher and has priority into the school you are teaching in? It is a great thing to have, but not everyone does, and for kids going local wanting a happy primary school, the chance of getting into one is very very slim, and would be stuck with the cramming ones if their English is not up to par for a real IS by then. I hope i am wrong about this, and would be happy to be corrected if that's the case.
Having a child-minded education in HK without having to compromise Chinese is a dream many parents have, but the reality is that they do come as rare cases. In the context of helping our friend here, please do give a list of Happy kindies leading to Happy primaries. Thanks!!
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 14-4-25 03:16
A few years may sound short, but it may have effects that last a lifetime, and don't think that not much could go wrong at kindergarten level either. A good test of a particular school is, check their k2 (or k3) children and see how many are wearing glasses, THAT is something that will stay with the child for life.
作者: gatochat 時間: 14-4-25 22:23
jolalee 發表於 14-4-25 00:51
I totally agree that some "international" kindy has some horrible English on the playground which Ch ...
My son goes to Creative Kindergarten in Kowloon Tong. The Kindy has priorities if the students decides to go to their connected primary school called Chan's Creative. Unfortunately it's not near where we live so it's not ideal for us. It has a reputation of being a happy school but I do not know anyone in person at the school so I can't tell you any more that what is already on this forum.
作者: jolalee 時間: 14-4-25 23:05
本帖最後由 jolalee 於 14-4-25 23:08 編輯
gatochat 發表於 14-4-25 22:23
Unfortunately I'm not working full time now so my children do not get priority into any of the inter ...
Not working full time at this point so that you can spend more time with your children, that is commendable ;)
Now, let me try to form the full picture here--
Scenario 1-- Given you wrote "my children" so i assume you have at least two kids:
Your elder son is primary age and has been accepted into the new YMCA (international?) primary school. Your younger son is in K2 at Creative Kindie, and he will start applying for local primary school this autumn while he is in LS K3, and will at least have priority into Chan's Creative primary. Worse come to worst he still has sibling priority into YMCA since his elder brother is there.
Scenario 2-- Perhaps you have always been discussing the same son, as in one of your children:
Your son is in K2 at Creative Kindie, and he will start applying for local primary school this autumn while he is in LS K3, and will at least have priority into Chan's Creative primary. At the same time he has been accepted into the new YMCA (international?) primary school. In that case he'd have to either take the IS offer this year, or defer it for a year if possible, while trying out for local primary schools.
Either way at least one of your children is educated in a Chinese medium happy school, which is great. For people who does plan to return home in a few years, i do believe going for a happy LS is a good way to go about it. All the best to your boy's LS Primary application in the coming year, and thank you for sharing your experience so that others can see how this can possibly be done. I am sure there are similar happy LS out there, which just require further research, probably on the regular primary EK forums.
作者: gatochat 時間: 14-4-25 23:39
jolalee 發表於 14-4-25 23:05
Not working full time at this point so that you can spend more time with your children, that is com ...
Btw, I just remembered there is a local free school called Catholic Mission School somewhere in Central. It has an international class each year and I know a few English speaking families sent there children there and are quite happy.
作者: sky_chan88 時間: 14-4-26 00:36 標題: 引用：Similar+to+us.We+are+Canadian+and+will+l
原帖由 victoryu19 於 14-04-23 發表
Similar to us.
We are Canadian and will likely send our son back to Canada to continue his educatio ...
作者: sky_chan88 時間: 14-4-26 01:05 標題: 回覆：如果10歲就一定會回流返canada，咁應該點選擇好呢？
我都想分享吓！我個仔快三歳。果時諗求期讀一年英語為主的PN,再等轉IS K1!而今年我地去考K1先知原來好難爭！後悔當初唔直接報IS的PN!!原來內地人攞住本大陸passport加唔識廣東話都當佢地外國人可優先！我識十個大陸人，九個入到IS.當然佢地英語冇問題啦！我仔本身一個中文字都唔識。加上speech delay我地更加冇同佢講中文。好彩求請入到間IS. 我巳經驚考唔到小學。能申請定嘅小學學校都apply 晒！真係要排定！我地summer都會返加拿大睇定小學。依家香港太亂。讀書搵個位又咁難。。。做家長真的要plan長遠d.
作者: oneonemama 時間: 14-4-26 01:10 標題: 引用：我都想分享吓！我個仔快三歳。果時諗求期讀
原帖由 sky_chan88 於 14-04-26 發表
我都想分享吓！我個仔快三歳。果時諗求期讀一年英語為主的PN,再等轉IS K1!而今年我地去考K1先知原來好難爭 ...
暫時考慮Kingston, anfield 同YC, ESF playgroup comment 太差，所以唔考慮。
雖然bb 7月尾先出世，但我已經預備打電話ask for on site visit
作者: jolalee 時間: 14-4-26 01:47
sky_chan88 發表於 14-4-26 01:05
我都想分享吓！我個仔快三歳。果時諗求期讀一年英語為主的PN,再等轉IS K1!而今年我地去考K1先知原來好難爭 ...
作者: hb12699 時間: 14-4-26 09:31 標題: 回覆：oneonemama 的帖子
If you would back to Canada after 10 years, you still have a lot of chance to learn Chinese in Canada ( Toronto and Vancouver also have a lot of Chinese and HK ppl staying there )
In addition, if you speaking Cantonese to him in Hong Kong , he still have 10 years to learn the Chinese language in Hong Kong via the day to day training.
Finally, if you plan to back to Canada to continue your further education, please focusing the the english writing is essential part to study in Canada which is not the Chinese.
作者: sky_chan88 時間: 14-4-26 11:50 標題: 引用：Quote:sky_chan88+發表於+14-4-26+01:05+我
原帖由 jolalee 於 14-04-26 發表
你仔仔入到的IS kindie 沒有小學中學嗎？點解仲要申請定小學同返加拿大睇定小學？你有沒有報IS龍校? ...
作者: sky_chan88 時間: 14-4-26 11:54 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+sky_chan88+於+14-04-26+發表
原帖由 oneonemama 於 14-04-26 發表
所以我都搵定有埋play group嘅IS, 由play group 開始join, 應該入PN 會容易一些吧！
暫時考慮Kingston, anf ...
作者: oneonemama 時間: 14-4-26 12:00 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+oneonemama+於+14-04-26+發表
原帖由 sky_chan88 於 14-04-26 發表
Kingston and YC一條龍好呀。你一有出世紙就去排啦！
作者: oneonemama 時間: 14-4-26 12:03 標題: 引用：If+you+would+back+to+Canada+after+10+yea
原帖由 hb12699 於 14-04-26 發表
If you would back to Canada after 10 years, you still have a lot of chance to learn Chinese in Canad ...
作者: jolalee 時間: 14-4-26 12:56
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Even CDNIS only have French lessons starting Grade 5. Would you consider FIS? They are pretty good and not as hard to get into as other IS. However i believe the chinese program there is much weaker.
作者: jolalee 時間: 14-4-26 12:59
sky_chan88 發表於 14-4-26 11:50
依家沒有100%直升架。
CIS, HKIS, GSIS, CDNIS, FIS, KIS, JIS.... most of the regular international schools are through-train!!
ICS is not 直升 but 90-95% of the kids continues from KG to Primary.
作者: sky_chan88 時間: 14-4-30 00:27 標題: 引用：Quote:sky_chan88+發表於+14-4-26+11:50+依
原帖由 jolalee 於 14-04-26 發表
Of course there is!!
CIS, HKIS, GSIS, CDNIS, FIS, KIS, JIS.... most of the regular international sc ...
作者: jolalee 時間: 14-4-30 08:12
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sky_chan88 發表於 14-4-30 00:27
We live in Kln side. Not much options here. We didn't even get interview in ICS😭. Kingston a ...
Also apply for Anfield primary. If you apply now you still have a chance. Anfield is a good school too. Some of the school i listed (like JIS) are on the Kowloon side, so just keep looking. There are still many options.
Last year i was in a similar situation as you were. My son has sensory integration issues, flunk most K1 interviews and heading nowhere, so we applied for Anfield primary and everything in between, but most importantly we gave him therapies and trained him at home. This year he passed all 3 interviews (2 of them the same school as last year) so we even have options 
If you child does have delays concentrate on therapy both at the centres AND at home. Hope that he can catch up quickly. "依家沒有100%直升架。" is not a correct statement, but i know how desperate you must feel right now. Just hang in there and try your best. Yes, keep all your options open including Canada. Wish you all the best!! 努力!! :easter:
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作者: ktschan 時間: 14-5-8 16:50
So glad that someone has started this post. We are on the same boat too, so struggle between local and IS...
作者: Mimihoppe 時間: 14-5-10 22:26
I'm on the same boat too! I'm considering CDNIS, AIS, ESF for my son. He's now 1+ year old. We plan to move back to Canada , probably Quebec , in a few years time.
作者: ktschan 時間: 14-5-12 12:18
Mimihoppe 發表於 14-5-10 22:26
I'm on the same boat too! I'm considering CDNIS, AIS, ESF for my son. He's now 1+ year old. We plan ...
Same as you, my son is 2 yrs old now. We will try IS first, if can't get into targeted schools will then switch back to locals...tough game!
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