請教：12校網男仔 是否應該放棄直資offer后去參加大抽獎

PTL_L

shirleyandchu 發表於 25-4-11 23:11
佢放棄左咩直資先？如果人地有spcc, db,等offer, 你估佢仲會唔會博sjps?

可能你要睇睇樓主自述同要求先，呢個世界冇話冇可能既sjps情況我就唔清楚喇，但sjc就有係識同學有spcc 放棄咗留sjc,放棄DBs留sjc都有，不過會多啲係放SPC留sjc既，呢啲係真人真事嚟，全部我識，當然唔會又係錢問題啦，學費起佢哋心目中唔係問題嚟，嗱，相反，都有人sjc過DBs㗎，我唔會去質疑人，個個把尺唔同，互相尊重囉！

shirleyandchu

PTL_L 發表於 25-4-11 22:56
係啦，做咩要計人呢？唔差在計埋啦咁多年都要考人數學不過話時話，車沅沅真心堅，寧可手 ...

基督教幼稚園，讀天主教小學

Sing13

PTL_L 發表於 25-4-11 23:19
可能你要睇睇樓主自述同要求先，呢個世界冇話冇可能既sjps情況我就唔清楚喇，但sjc就有係識同學有sp ...

可能收生生源冇差距，但事實上成績有差距。
例如2024 DSE SPC4級80.8%，5級49.4%，近三年差唔多依個數字。SJC過去未曾達到過，將來亦極難達到。（例如學校有冇咩改革措施，有潛力可以挑戰全港前五？近年有冇生源改善？）由數字睇，SJC 4級及升讀本地學位比率並不比聖言強。

各施各法收生，各有捧場客，睇最後output結果最公平合理。
叻既學校肯定有某些方面做對咗，唔夠叻既自己發奮圖強就係啦。
名校是要用成績支撑，唔能夠只靠名氣支撑。

KikiDaddy

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It is meaningless to compare the 4+ results of a subsidized school with feeder primary school and a DSS school as there is a big difference in S1 intake student quality.

DSS schools have a full control of their S1 student selection. For those top DSS schools, external students (i.e. not from its feeder primary school) are almost 100% Band 1A. You may argue that it is compulsory for a DSS school to accept the Band 2 / 3 students from its feeder primary school. However, the number of Band 2 / 3 students of those  top DSS schools like SPCPS, should be very minimal and at least comparable to top primary schools with no feeder secondary schools like TSL and APS as they have a full control on the P1 intake as well.  

SJC needs to accept 99 Band 1 and 2 students from SJPS. At least half of them are Band 2 students as about 10 top students of SJPS will choose top schools like SPCC, QC and DBS over SJC. A few may go for international schools or study overseas. Hence, 50 Band 2 SJPS students in SJC S1 intake is a fair estimate. There is only about 70% Band 1 students in SJC S1 intake which is far less than 90% for Band 1A DSS schools like SPC and 100% for Band 1A Government / Subsidized schools with no feeder primary schools like SY.

Most of the DSE subjects 4+ % range from 30% to 50%. Hence, 4 is a reasonable performance can be expected from a Band 1 student. With a higher percentage of Band 2 S1 intake, it is not surprised SJC has a lower 4+ % than SPC and SY. However, if you look at the 5+ % and 5*/5** + %, SJC is on par if not better than other Band 1A boys’ schools. In 2024 DSE, those 30 top boys on the SJC honor roll have got at least 30 point in their best 5 (unweighted 5** = 7) including the top scorer with 7 x 5**.

Someone may say Wanchai is a strong school net, Band 2 students of SJPS is in fact HK Band 1. This can happen but the amount should be single digit. If you compare the Pre S1 results of SJC to SY, SJC students have better results in English while SY is better in both Chinese and Mathematics.

Someone may question how SJC can maintain its EMI status if more than 15% of its SI intake are Band 2 students? In fact, the 85% requirement for an EMI school is not on Band 1 student but “Top 40% students capable of English learning”. SJPS English standard is very good and most of its Band 2 students should be well within this Top 40% category. This can be evidenced by the good English and not so good Chinese / Mathematics Pre S1 results of SJC.

Then how can SJC improve its 4+ %? The easiest ways are either transforming to a DSS school or decoupling with SJPS. The % of Band 1 students can be increased immediately. However, this won’t be happened as they are not aligned with the mission and vision of Lasallian schools.

Sing13

KikiDaddy 發表於 25-4-12 12:03
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It is meaningless to compare the 4+ results of a subsidized school with feeder p ...

文中幾個論點
1. Spcps 小一收生逐個揀，vs SJPS抽入，前者佔優勢，我同意。
2. SJC中一既input,小學部4班學生前列99個學生加上其他叻仔，例如SFA前列學生，整體input數據上略高於聖言。我唔知道SPC既中一既整體input，但其附小band1生百分比肯定冇你假設既數字高，全港band1率最高既小學是aps。SPCPS b1率應低於aps.
3. 因為SJC冇公佈5級整體百分比，所以只用大家有公佈既數字嚟比較。當然SJC有一批叻既學生，但整體成績還須提高。另外，有三十個學生五科30分，是否有source? SPC5*過30%既有六科，而SJC只有三科。
4. 討論既焦點是想討論好學校還是成績最叻既學校，前者應由局內人覺得是否適合，而對於局外人，我會認為林大輝聖言等都是好學校。但如討論既是成績最叻既學校，全港成績前幾名既就包括SPC。（我又唔係SPC 粉絲，我亦唔認為其他學校不能挑戰SPC。只是從數據出發，實話實說）
5. 至於SJC如何提高成績，一是小學改善，一是中學改善。直資靈活性大，但最後都是睇學校12年功力，成績不如SJC既亦不少。

KikiDaddy

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SPC has 210 S1 places while SPCPS has about 110 graduates. As long as the Band 2/3 % of SPCPS is not more than 20%, SPC can be assured of 90% Band 1 S1 intake.
SPCPS is a preferred choice over APS or TSL as it is a thru train school. It is unlikely the Band 1 rate of SPCPS is significantly lower than APS or TSL after 6 years of study.

IMHO, the biggest advantage of DSS school over government or subsided schools is not the teaching quality or learning vibe but the full control of student selection.

Sing13

KikiDaddy 發表於 25-4-12 15:19
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SPC has 210 S1 places while SPCPS has about 110 graduates. As long as the Band 2 ...

六年前，是否有最叻既學生投考SPC? 六年前SPC既生源已經比SJC好？估計SJC自行收生不比SPC差，唔通你認為SJCPS升上去個班未夠好？
收返嚟都要經過6年或12年培養，我認為教學效能高既學校可以唔需要靠外來生，就算主力靠小學部升上嚟既學生亦可位於全港前十。

KikiDaddy

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8 years ago, I went to SJPS to receive a small piece of paper that indicate the banding of my son. The principal told us only the top 40 students (out of 150?) will be classified as Band 1.

The school may be a little bit conservative and the actual number of Band 1 students may be higher. Having said that, the Band 1 % of a subsidized school can never be comparable to a DSS school as 90% of its students are admitted based on non academic criteria.

That's why I said it is meaningless to compare the output (DSE results) without considering the input (student intake quality).

KikiDaddy

Sing13 發表於 25-4-12 15:42
六年前，是否有最叻既學生投考SPC? 六年前SPC既生源已經比SJC好？估計SJC自行收生不比SPC差，唔通你認為SJ ...

SJC has 180 S1 places. 54 from Discretionary Stage should be 100% Band 1A.

99 places for SJPS should be half Band 1 and half Band 2. Among those Band 1 students, Band 1A, B and C would be evenly distributed as many Band 1A students have gone to SPCC, DBS and QC.

The remaining 27 places from Central Allocation should be 100% Band 1 but the distribution of Band 1 A, B and C is hard to tell.

So can you say the S1 intake of SJC is as good as SPC?

mcl233

wccfgoldcard 發表於 25-4-10 10:43
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SJC係直屬，兩軒係聯繫，雖然升中都係有一定比例上到相關中學，但唔係必收哂全部 ...

灣仔既優勢，主要係校網內英中比例高，並不且於直或聯既優勢，主要做到本區真B1生就近乎升中無憂，當然直小保障更佳～

又不過，我會認為樓主若有SPC或港同小offer，就無謂三心兩意了，況且抽獎冇保證，又不過，個人偏好以SPC為首選，港同小只係因為有自己中學部～

mcl233

SPC生源一定比SJPS好，呢間小學一直係港島會考慮直私既男生家長次選，豈止呢6年既事，12年都講短左了～～～

mcl233

PTL_L 發表於 25-4-10 13:03
既然你連兩軒都考慮，男仔我會加埋RCPS
SJPS>RCPS>SPCPS>兩軒》st james

St James就要考慮下了，谷度唔弱，但疑似B1率唔高，冇太大值搏率～～～

mcl233

KikiDaddy 發表於 25-4-12 16:13
SJC has 180 S1 places. 54 from Discretionary Stage should be 100% Band 1A.

99 places for SJPS shou ...

SPC好多年前已經接收左唔少SFA仔啦，仲有人可以認為私小係完勝津校，呢個想法都好有趣～

仲提到SY，SY位處於大區，又係區內男生龍頭中學，～100％可以收到本區B1生，不愁生源。平均成績可達某個水平有幾出奇，預料之內～～～

同有自己小學部既去比較平均水平？就算係SPC，中學都收50％街外生，去Vs可能30％都冇既SJC，除非新手家長先會咁比較～～～

Sing13

KikiDaddy 發表於 25-4-12 16:13
SJC has 180 S1 places. 54 from Discretionary Stage should be 100% Band 1A.

99 places for SJPS shou ...

你高估咗直資小學部既band1率。生源方面，aps，培正或者spc等其他直資小一生源差唔多。band1率大概就是培正既水平。全港最高應該是aps，如果係aps讀得辛苦跟唔上或者排名落後就會跳船，但直資靠後既學生都可以直升中學部，點解要走呢？
直資學校小學部搞得好，可以唔使靠外來生。小學部冇呈分壓力，可以因材施教，例如有直資學校小學部尖子會去中學部同中學生一齊上堂。直資學校b1率唔重要，反正都是一齊升中，關鍵是同中學部銜接。

KikiDaddy

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Top 15 2024 DSE performers shown on the school website all got at least 2 x 5**. The remaining 15 boys on the honor roll got just 1 x 5** and multiple 5*.
My son is on the honor roll and he got more than 30 points. He told me he should be one of the last few boys on the list.

Sing13

KikiDaddy 發表於 25-4-13 10:04
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Top 15 2024 DSE performers shown on the school website all got at least 2 x 5**. ...

五科三十分十幾二十人有可能，但我認為三十人機會低，因為SJC有公佈129人畢業，5*率是22.3%。除非5*集中及平均分配前三十人才有可能。後面既人要極少5*。如果真是有三十人達到五科三十分，可以有二十個入醫科。

KikiDaddy

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There are 6 S6 classes in SJC and 3 classes with M1/2.
Most of the students take 3 electives after the replacement of LS by CSD. Assuming 70% of students took 3 electives, total number of exam atteneded is:

123 x 0.7 x 6 + 123 x 0.3 x 5 + 75 (M1/2) = 776

With 22.3% 5*/5** rate = 173 5*/5**

Obviously not all 5*/5** go to the top 30 students but it is not difficult for the top students to get multiple 5*/5**.

In 2024, 11 students accepted the offers from local medical schools one got the offer from an overseas medical school. Some students achieved the expected scores of local medical schools but decided to study overseas or other disciplines.

For example, the second and third best students who got 6 x 5** and 5 x 5** respectively chose to study mathematics in Cambridge and ICL.

Sing13

KikiDaddy 發表於 25-4-13 11:35
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There are 6 S6 classes in SJC and 3 classes with M1/2.

如果共173個5*以上，前30人已經大概佔咗150個，後面99人分23個5*（或更少）差異太大，所以我問有冇source? 睇埋入醫科人數，20個左右30分以上較為合理，其他band1 A，例如mcs亦是大概這個比例。

KikiDaddy

Sing13 發表於 25-4-13 12:38
如果共173個5*以上，前30人已經大概佔咗150個，後面99人分23個5*（或更少）差異太大，所以我問有冇source? ...

You don't need to have all 5 subjects in 5*  and 5** to get 30.  

2 x 5** + 1 x 5* + 2 x 5 or 1 x 5** + 3 x 5* + 1 × 5 can already achieve 30.

You always criticized the 332A and 4+ % of SJC are low but now you say most of the students should get a 5* or 5**.  It seems to be a logical fallacy.

mcl233

KikiDaddy 發表於 25-4-13 12:55
You don't need to have all 5 subjects in 5*  and 5** to get 30.  

2 x 5** + 1 x 5* + 2 x 5 or 1 x  ...

佢係唔會明白的，5*+ 以為一定係6分～～～