ESF vs UK State School (Top 5%)

貝珠

chima_pigpig 發表於 23-5-22 20:44
係唔係即係11+果個試反而難，而入咗grammar school教嘅數學會易返啲咁解？

係，我係咁理解

Grammar school 真係aim at gcse 攞9分架

mandy_ng207

貝珠 發表於 23-5-22 19:42
你應該係比較客觀嘅，因為讀過英制讀過IB, 英國state school 相信極似Anfield 教學模式及程度。

你會明我 ...

哈哈，多謝你嘅留言～
我最近去英國探朋友，朋友個女都係一間英國top 10% state primary school 讀緊reception，教嘅英文好似比Anfield 仲深少少。不過學校資源就應該比唔上香港IS，讀咗大半年但唔覺得有太多課外活動或者參觀。

貝珠

mandy_ng207 發表於 23-5-22 21:01
哈哈，多謝你嘅留言～
我最近去英國探朋友，朋友個女都係一間英國top 10% state primary school 讀緊recep ...

資源當然比晤上啦，校舍冇得比。

課外活動（有免費有自費）及參觀同資源冇乜關係，完全係視乎校長有冇心安排，呢方面學校與學校之間差異比較大。我朋友個女每日也有學校課外活動

Poyau

chima_pigpig 發表於 23-5-22 20:44
係唔係即係11+果個試反而難，而入咗grammar school教嘅數學會易返啲咁解？

私校11+ 一般考CAT4 作文 面試
去到13+ 另加做卷英數科學甚至MFL
除入學試外 13+收生普遍較11+少

貝珠

Carmen8080 發表於 23-5-23 01:40
我身邊好多有bno都走 因為有去到英國有免費教育 我朋友話讀到大學都唔洗錢 是真的嗎
...

你係香港讀書都晤駛錢架，大學當然要交學費啦，香港一樣。

usagi3

我覺得英國state school又比想像中深，小朋友唔係好主動學習嗰類響屋企都係要跟下先叫可以做得on average or above. 當然有budget 入私校可能學校會再發功啲？
但如果成積向入大學的話似乎HK IB數據係優勝啲
另一諗法係你係想小朋友將來響英國定香港生活，如果前者的話當然愈早愈好，除咗學習之外文化融入都係好重要，我自己覺得都好影響生活得開唔開心

Poyau

Carmen8080 發表於 23-5-23 01:40
我身邊好多有bno都走 因為有去到英國有免費教育 我朋友話讀到大學都唔洗錢 是真的嗎
...

合資格 Home students 大學學費較平

https://info.lse.ac.uk/staff/divisions/Planning-Division/Table-of-Fees

https://www.lse.ac.uk/study-at-lse/international-students/fee-status-classification

chima_pigpig

Carmen8080 發表於 23-5-23 01:40
我身邊好多有bno都走 因為有去到英國有免費教育 我朋友話讀到大學都唔洗錢 是真的嗎
...

做下research先
揸BNO讀state school 係免費 = 你喺香港讀政府學校係免費，quality 係點就有好有唔好。
讀大學用home student價就好似香港咁，所有科都一樣價錢，偍要做home student有certain criteria要Meet，even我個仔係BC都要入大學前過去坐3年先得，如果揸BNO就要拎咗BC先可以，即起碼6年。你用唔到home student 學費就睇你讀咩科，2xk GBP一年起跳（文科果啲）

到我送個仔去英國讀GCSE + AL嘅時候我自己都唔會relay on 「免費教育」

Poyau

sainsbury 發表於 23-5-22 20:13
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你喺Kent？唔係好多地區去到35%。最top最selective頭嗰幾間唔計catchment，已經完全唔諗 ...

Grammar 佔官校學生比例
最高為 Trafford 及 Bucks

https://comprehensivefuture.org.uk/facts-figures-and-evidence-about-grammar-schools/

11 local authorities are classed as ‘highly selective’ by the DfE, with this designation based on more than 25% of pupils attending grammar schools. The highly selective authorities are Bexley, Buckinghamshire, Kent, Lincolnshire, Medway, Slough, Southend-on-Sea, Sutton, Torbay, Trafford and Wirral.

London and Greater London
https://comprehensivefuture.org.uk/selective-education-guide-greater-london/

North West
https://comprehensivefuture.org.uk/selective-education-guide-trafford/

https://comprehensivefuture.org.uk/selective-education-guide-the-wirral/

South East
https://comprehensivefuture.org.uk/selective-education-guide-buckinghamshire/

https://comprehensivefuture.org.uk/selective-education-guide-kent/

https://comprehensivefuture.org.uk/selective-education-guide-medway/

https://comprehensivefuture.org.uk/selective-education-guide-slough/

South West
https://comprehensivefuture.org.uk/selective-education-guide-torbay/

East of England
https://comprehensivefuture.org.uk/selective-education-guide-southend-on-sea/

East Midlands
https://comprehensivefuture.org.uk/selective-education-guide-lincolnshire/

Poyau

sainsbury 發表於 23-5-22 20:13
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你喺Kent？唔係好多地區去到35%。最top最selective頭嗰幾間唔計catchment，已經完全唔諗 ...

以下 link 有各區 Grammar 數字

England State-funded secondary
2021/22 Grammar / Total = % Total
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Schools 163 / 3,473 = 4.69%
Pupils 188,058 / 3,567,378 = 5.27%

https://explore-education-statistics.service.gov.uk/data-tables/permalink/4bd03302-33d0-45b7-a345-08db5ac2615f

Poyau

sainsbury 發表於 23-5-22 20:13
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你喺Kent？唔係好多地區去到35%。最top最selective頭嗰幾間唔計catchment，已經完全唔諗 ...

England State-funded secondary
2021/22 Grammar schools | Pupils
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Trafford 7/19 | 8,193(42.27%)
Bucks 13/36 | 16,854(41.13%)
Southend-on-Sea 4/12 | 5,170(35.38%)
Kent 32/101 | 38,677(34.75%)
Torbay 3/8 | 3,110(34.23%)

Medway 6/19 | 7,068(33.04%)
Wirral 6/21 | 7,044(31.38%)
Sutton 5/15 | 6,474(30.82%)
Bexley 4/16 | 6,237(30.33%)
Slough 4/15 | 4,482(29.47%)

Lincolnshire 15/54 | 14,105(28.58%)
Kingston 2/11 | 2,647(21.54%)
Reading 2/10 | 1,934(20.94%)
Bournemouth 4/25 | 4,825(19.78%)
Gloucestershire 7/41 | 7,610(18.37%)

Plymouth 3/19 | 2,881(16.53%)
Calderdale 2/14 | 2,410(14.10%)
Telford 2/13 | 1,716(12.87%)
Warwickshire 5/38 | 4,880(12.62%)
Birmingham 8/89 | 9,142(10.60%)

Barnet 3/29 | 2,942(9.90%)
Walsall 2/19 | 2,156(9.57%)
Bromley 2/19 | 2,329(9.55%)
Redbridge 2/19 | 2,386(8.34%)
Stoke-on-Trent 1/15 | 1,171(7.85%)

Wiltshire 2/30 | 2,307(7.49%)
North Yorkshire 3/43 | 2,645(7.13%)
Lancashire 4/82 | 4,989(6.98%)
Kirklees 1/27 | 1,553(5.51%)
Enfield 1/21 | 1,364(5.50%)

Wolverhampton 1/20 | 1,118(5.45%)
Essex 4/81 | 4,366(4.67%)
Liverpool 1/33 | 1,252(3.86%)
Cumbria 1/39 | 997(3.22%)
Devon 1/43 | 1,024(2.51%)

LA with(out) Grammar schools
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✓ 163/1,096 | 188,058(16.55%)
× 0/2,377 | 0(0%)
----------------------------------------------------------
Total 163/3,473 188,058(5.27%)

https://explore-education-statistics.service.gov.uk/data-tables/permalink/4bd03302-33d0-45b7-a345-08db5ac2615f

Poyau

sainsbury 發表於 23-5-22 11:07
有冇朋友比較過香港IS同英國較好嘅state school? (小學)。小朋友香港讀緊ESF，上個月收到英國reception off ...

見5樓 ESF 2022年IB成績較 TGS 佳
對比 TGS 在 Grammar schools 排名
ESF 成績可比 Grammar 前列50間

DfE 2022 KS5 APS(Grade)
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Boys Grammar schools 26
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Queen Elizabeth's Barnet 55.69(A*)
Wilson's School 54.27(A+)
St Olave's Grammar^ 54.21(A+)
Colchester Royal Grammar^ 53.38(A+)
Reading School 51.93(A+)

King Edward VI Chelmsford^ 51.35(A)
King Edward VI Stratford-on-Avon^ 50.93(A)
Dr Challoner's Grammar^ 50.79(A)
Altrincham Grammar Boys 50.51(A)
Tiffin School^ 49.63(A)

King Edward VI Camp Hill Boys 49.03(A)
Sutton Grammar^ 49(A)
Bishop Vesey's Grammar^ 47.98(A-)
RGS High Wycombe 47.19(A-)
Wallington County Grammar^ 47.12(A-)

The Skinners' School 47.09(A-)
Westcliff High Boys^ 46.7(A-)
Sir Thomas Rich's^ 46.55(A-)
Dartford Grammar^ 46.15(A-)
Lawrence Sheriff 46.13(A-)

Bishop Wordsworth's Church^ 46.06(A-)
The King's School Grantham 45.96(A-)
The Judd School^ 45.95(A-)
Southend High Boys^ 45.92(A-)
Aylesbury Grammar 45.9(A)

Sir Joseph Williamson's^ 45.45(A-)

Girls Grammar schools 25
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The Henrietta Barnett 54.57(A+)
The Tiffin Girls' School 54.2(A+)
Altrincham Grammar Girls 51.69(A+)
Kendrick School 49.47(A)
Sutton Coldfield Grammar 49.11(A)

Chelmsford County High 48.92(A)
Tunbridge Wells Girls' 48.71(A)
Dr Challoner's High 48.48(A)
Stratford Girls' Grammar 48.29(A-)
King Edward VI Camp Hill Girls
48.23(A-)

Nonsuch High 48.11(A-)
Colchester County High 48.01(A-)
Beaconsfield High 47.72(A-)
Wallington High Girls 47.66(A-)
Newstead Wood^ 47.56(A-)

Wycombe High 47.31(A-)
Aylesbury High 46.95(A-)
Bournemouth School for Girls 46.9(A-)
Torquay Girls' Grammar 46.15(A-)
St Michael's Catholic^ 45.94(A-)

Tonbridge Grammar^ 45.88(A-)
Loreto Grammar 45.75(A-)
Newport Girls' High 45.47(A-)
Stroud High^ 45.46(A-)
Lancaster Girls' Grammar 45.44(A-)

^ Co-ed sixth form with opposite sex

Co-ed Grammar schools 11
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Pate's Grammar 52.07(A+)
Colyton Grammar 50.02(A)
The Liverpool Blue Coat 49.31(A)
Langley Grammar 48.26(A-)
Sale Grammar 48.33(A-)

The Latymer School 48.15(A-)
Sir William Borlase's 47.89(A-)
Royal Latin School 47.35(A-)
King Edward VI Five Ways 46.59(A-)
Ripon Grammar 46.23(A-)

Chesham Grammar 45.59(A-)

Reference
Independent schools 45.61(A-)
All schools/colleges 38.87(B)
State schools/colleges 37.86(B-)

Source
DfE 2022 APS(Grade)
https://www.find-school-performance-data.service.gov.uk/find-a-school-in-england

kooliestgirl

去到移民咁大件事，學校問題其實只係其中一件小事

sainsbury

kooliestgirl 發表於 23-5-25 13:40
去到移民咁大件事，學校問題其實只係其中一件小事

每個家庭移民與否都有不同考慮，value不同priority也不同，自然會比較不同選項的opportunity cost。和很多家庭一樣，我們家庭把子女教育放很高，學校當然是很重要一環，所以對我們家庭來說學校和教育不是小事也直接影響移民決定。當然很多人會說子女能否學有所成是取決於他們自己和父母怎樣去教，但不能否認學校佔很大角色，那也是家長們來這討論區的原因吧。

貝珠

sainsbury 發表於 23-5-25 15:41
每個家庭移民與否都有不同考慮，value不同priority也不同，自然會比較不同選項的opportunity cost。和很多 ...

明白。

我地送女入國際學校，一直都希望佢有出國離開香港嘅機會，之前研究過英國十年route，我覺得secure passport 高priority 一啲。

我都識唔少人因為Esf 個朵and 信心保證而繼續留港，其實都考到好嘅boarding school , 但boarding 又好貴，仲未計大學international fee, 你唔係仲諗住係香港讀大學吓嘛？

咁我哋都中學都會考grammar school 會考private day school ，亦有香港讀開Esf 嘅，滿意讀普通state school . 呢啲好在乎你家庭情況，小朋友學習能力，你落腳區域

Goodluck2022

大家覺得有同沒FP, 成功率差幾遠

nunupipi

貝珠 發表於 23-5-25 20:29
本帖最後由 貝珠 於 23-5-25 20:46 編輯

明白。

「你唔係仲諗住係香港讀大學吓嘛？」聽落對一些讀IS但留港讀大學既學生有欠尊重。其實留港讀大學有咩問題？每人有自己的agenda和選擇的。

Goodluck2022

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Right !!!

Poyau

nunupipi 發表於 23-5-26 07:05
「你唔係仲諗住係香港讀大學吓嘛？」聽落對一些讀IS但留港讀大學既學生有欠尊重。其實留港讀大學有咩問題 ...

QS 世界大學排名2023
五大可比英國10大
浸大/嶺大可比英國頭50

QS World University Rankings 2023
---------------------------------------------------------
UK #1-10
2 Cambridge^
4 Oxford^
=6 Imperial^
8 UCL^
15 Edinburgh^

[21 HKU]

28 Manchester^
37 King's College London^

[38 CUHK]
[40 HKUST]
[54 CityU]

56 LSE^
=61 Bristol^
64 Warwick^

[=65 PolyU]

UK #11-20
78 Southampton^
81 Glasgow^
86 Leeds^
91 Birmingham^
92 Durham^

=96 Sheffield^
=96 St Andrews
114 Nottingham^
122 Newcastle^
=125 Queen Mary^

UK #21-30
146 Lancaster
162 York^
163 Exeter^
166 Cardiff^
=179 Bath

=190 Liverpool^
=220 Aberdeen
229 Reading
=233 Queen's University Belfast^
=240 Sussex

UK #31-40
=256 Loughborough
279 Leicester
=281 Heriot-Watt

[=281 HKBU]

305 Surrey
=325 Strathclyde

342 East Anglia
=343 Birkbeck
354 Dundee
=355 City
=375 Kent

UK #41-49
=402 Royal Holloway
=412 Brunel
=425 Swansea
=438 Oxford Brookes
=443 SOAS

=465 Essex
501-510 Stirling
511-520 Goldsmiths
561-570 Aston

UK #50 ×3
601-650 Bangor
601-650 Kingston
601-650 Ulster

[601-650 LingnanU]

UK #53 ×6
651-700 Aberystwyth
651-700 Coventry
651-700 Northumbria
651-700 Huddersfield
651-700 Hull

651-700 Plymouth

UK #59 ×3
701-750 Bradford
701-750 Portsmouth
701-750 Westminster

UK #62 ×2
751-800 Keele
751-800 Middlesex

UK #64 ×18
801-1000 Bournemouth
801-1000 De Montfort
801-1000 Edinburgh Napier
801-1000 Liverpool John Moores
801-1000 London Metropolitan

801-1000 London South Bank
801-1000 Manchester Metropolitan
801-1000 Nottingham Trent
801-1000 Queen Margaret, Edinburgh
801-1000 Robert Gordon

801-1000 Brighton
801-1000 Central Lancashire
801-1000 East London
801-1000 Greenwich
801-1000 Herdfordshire

801-1000 Lincoln
801-1000 Salford
801-1000 UWE Bristol

UK #82 ×9
1001-1200 Birmingham City
1001-1200 Canterbury Christ Church
1001-1200 Glasgow Caledonian
1001-1200 Harper Adams
1001-1200 Leeds Beckett

1001-1200 Sheffield Hallam
1001-1200 Northampton
1001-1200 Derby
1001-1200 Wolverhampton

[NR EdUHK]

^ Russell Group's 24 members

https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2023