邊個話香港教育制度唔好 ?

nkd

shadeslayer 發表於 19-4-28 15:11
。男仔精力要花在好多好玩的活動，

Xxxxx

😄

我當然認為係人都應該又讀得又玩得。我只係鼓勵一下男仔爸媽。

大家明白，男仔天生大力d，女仔天生記性好d(尤其是記住男朋友衰野）。

planetearth

shadeslayer 發表於 19-4-28 15:07
好多人唔明，學生不應鬥快學最多的知識，任何學校知識也是皮毛。學生應該 go through that self discovery ...

Well said

shadeslayer

nkd 發表於 19-4-28 15:39
😄

我當然認為係人都應該又讀得又玩得。我只係鼓勵一下男仔爸媽。

大家明白，男仔天生大力d，女仔天生記性好d(尤其是記住男朋友衰野）。

Xxxxx

我不相信男仔天生無咁好記憶力。男仔打機的寶物位置，大佬的動作弱點，地圖位置，一樣好記得。

是男仔同女仔用心記的東西不同。

planetearth

nkd 發表於 19-4-28 15:39
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我當然認為係人都應該又讀得又玩得。我只係鼓勵一下男仔爸媽。

男仔女仔各有長處，對社會是好事，衹是學校measure talents的方式比較單一，對男仔唔係咁有利，唔代表男仔唔叻。或者，父母都要相自己寶貝仔女的 潛能，好多時做人/學習/求學問/自信的態度好重要。
講真，在工作上，我見過讀書唔叻，(可能小時貪玩)，但做事非常出色的同事。不斷求知的心態才是最重要。

ABC-DAD

我請教過一位長者，如何判斷一位老師嘅溝通能力，他說，如果學生問一個問題，正常人幾句就能交代重點，而某人開宗明義吹虛問題很簡單，可是要長編大論都講唔到入題，那，就算把啦

planetearth

shadeslayer 發表於 19-4-28 17:01
大家明白，男仔天生大力d，女仔天生記性好d(尤其是記住男朋友衰野）。

Xxxxx

我仔D女同學會叫佢 送贈 寶物(一齊打online games那班)

Vanadium

shadeslayer 發表於 19-4-28 15:14
北歐福利國家也有私校，也是多錢多選擇。要擺脫這問題，可試下移民真共產國家如北韓。

任何自由國家，都必定有左右兩派，問題係邊一派位大多數。

如果話北歐國家都有私校，就代表有錢人應係教育上比窮人有著數係北歐既social norm，咁就真係要再了解一下事實係咪咁。

不過社會係不斷變，西方各國面對中國人競爭性既心態，長遠都難免受影響。

所以，既然接受有錢有資源，就可以係教育上佔無錢既上風，理所當然化，咁人地無錢，但亦可以用其他資源方面同你爭，如時間，咁人地唔訓咁操練，早過你去學既態度，就亦唔怪得人，我所講既惡性循環，就係建基係呢種大家都想比人優勝既心態。

shadeslayer

Vanadium 發表於 19-4-28 18:40
任何自由國家，都必定有左右兩派，問題係邊一派位大多數。

如果話北歐國家都有私校，就代表有錢人應係教育 ...

如時間，咁人地唔訓咁操練，早過你去學既態度，就亦唔怪得人，我所講既惡性循環，就係建基係呢種大家都想比人優勝既心態。

Xxxxxx

唔怪得人？ 早過我學？ OMG, 你以為我批評日操夜操，批評填鴨，係因競爭？

香港有不少人老是想競爭，走火入魔。

Vanadium

ABC-DAD 發表於 19-4-28 17:41
我請教過一位長者，如何判斷一位老師嘅溝通能力，他說，如果學生問一個問題，正常人幾句就能交代重點，而某 ...

又係一個笑臉，唉.......。以你既能力，我無資格同你溝通。

shadeslayer

Vanadium 發表於 19-4-28 18:40
任何自由國家，都必定有左右兩派，問題係邊一派位大多數。

如果話北歐國家都有私校，就代表有錢人應係教育 ...

如果話北歐國家都有私校，就代表有錢人應係教育上比窮人有著數係北歐既social norm，咁就真係要再了解一下事實係咪咁。

Xxxxx

應該？

事實係（可能全部）發達國家也有私校，不發達國家也有私校。即事實係有私校即比錢有另外一些教育。無分應該不應該。

ABC-DAD

Vanadium 發表於 19-4-28 18:50
又係一個笑臉，唉.......。以你既能力，我無資格同你溝通。

你連自己立場都唔可以用三兩句說話表達得清楚，咁就唔好引用我講嘅嘢啦。我唔只一次講，大家可以當我同空氣講嘢。

表情符號都接受唔到？

呢個世界，正常人就係天生可以用表情同肢體語言去溝通嘅喎。

ABC-DAD

言不及義，四個字。

Vanadium

ABC-DAD 發表於 19-4-28 19:11
言不及義，四個字。

4個字: 尊重自己。
另外4個留俾我，未必能發生係你身上: 尊重別人。

4eyesDad

ABC-DAD 發表於 19-4-27 17:47
講重點香港以前嘅填鴨同今曰有啲唔一樣

唔係高官先送子女去外國讀書

{要列舉香港教育係壞？但奇怪不少外國被稱為世界一流嘅學府，願意接納香港壞制度所成就嘅好學生。}

不用奇怪，世界一流嘅大學接納來自全球幾十個國家的學生，這種大學接納的係「叻學生」，他們叻，在任何制度都會叻。叻學生不能代表整個教育制度。

4eyesDad

shadeslayer 發表於 19-4-27 17:59
I lost count how many times I said there is something wrong with the education system.   I just don ...

To certain extent, we are the same kind of people. We both know the local education system is bad. We both take our kids outside that horrible local system at our own expenses.

Do I feel sorry that many local people cannot afford the costs? Well, I can say that I would feel better if those who cannot afford can still have a decent local system. Will I say “Let them eat cakes” ? No. Do I want our civil servants do something about the local education system? Yes.

You say many other systems (eg housing) in HK are “not good”. In discussing education here, we should not digress. We should not be unrealistically optimistic that our civil servants understand the task.

ABC-DAD

Vanadium 發表於 19-4-28 19:32
4個字: 尊重自己。
另外4個留俾我，未必能發生係你身上: 尊重別人。

簡單咪好囉。
依然係言不及義。可以簡單講嘅就無謂長偏大論。

ABC-DAD

修養好自己以經唔容易，別人如何，我可管不上。

shadeslayer

4eyesDad 發表於 19-4-28 23:07
{要列舉香港教育係壞？但奇怪不少外國被稱為世界一流嘅學府，願意接納香港壞制度所成就嘅好學生。}

不用 ...

可以咁講，香港D尖子，係 despite the education system they became 尖子，not because of the education system.  

shadeslayer

4eyesDad 發表於 19-4-28 23:28
To certain extent, we are the same kind of people. We both know the local education system is bad.  ...

One difference between you and me is that I won’t blame the Education officials for not sending their kids to local schools.   

The same way I don’t blame Housing officials to not live in public housing.   Or Health care officials to opt out of using public health care.   Or Transportation officials for using private cars.  

Have they done enough for the local education?  I am not sure. I suppose one can always do more.   That is very subjective.    I also recognise the power of political parties, general parents views and schools in preventing progress.  

nkd

shadeslayer 發表於 19-4-29 09:24
可以咁講，香港D尖子，係 despite the education system they became 尖子，not because of the education ...

If the primary education at local schools is bad, the secondary education is worse. For the pupils who can finish the homework before dinner, their parents can make their life easier with less pressing them on grades. They get a good foundation of knowledge even though they have less room for creativity and proactive learning.

The secondary education is basically the extension years of primary education - just feeding of knowledge. At this age, the students have a brain to think more and make arguments supported with their knowledge. Sadly they are busy with homework of repetition in nature rather than expository and argumentative writings, let alone briefing to their peers in classroom to present their work and debates upon it.

Education is not meant for acing the exams. The local sytem yet promotes crammers to produce exam acers for local universities.