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bristol 發表於 19-3-27 10:54
在 education-kingdom 找到另外一篇名為"澳洲畢業返嚟好難競爭,畀首期好過"   的文章,有600多個回覆,大 ...

睇完你嘅經歷,我而家明白點解你對澳洲讀書咁反感。

我識嘅人裏邊,有香港讀大學嘅畢業生,有喺外國讀大學嘅畢業生,包括美國,加拿大,英國,澳洲,新西蘭,仲有啲係大陸嘅大學,就唔係好睇得出喺美國英國讀大學嘅特別叻或者特別賺得多錢,大家都差唔多,當然有啲際遇好啲搵多啲錢,有啲人際關係方便差啲又冇咁好際遇嘅就可能成日轉工,每一份工都做唔長,怨天尤人,我反而覺得係性格,際遇,運氣影響畢業之後搵工嘅一齊。

其實你都仲好後生,你話你係末代會考生呀嘛!仲有大把機會,唔好灰心!後生仔有排你捱,加油!

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mrshoho 發表於 19-3-27 15:10
睇完你嘅經歷,我而家明白點解你對澳洲讀書咁反感。

我識嘅人裏邊,有香港讀大學嘅畢業生,有喺外國讀大 ...

文章中的主角不是我,這篇文章是在親子王國中找到,曾見報。。。  睇野要睇清楚

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mrshoho 發表於 19-3-27 10:43
知啦知啦,呢度已經好多人都睇到你對澳洲大學嘅不滿,知道你覺得澳洲大學入學門檻勁低,出嚟嘅質素又差, ...

完全同意

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bristol 發表於 19-3-27 15:48
文章中的主角不是我,這篇文章是在親子王國中找到,曾見報。。。  睇野要睇清楚
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Sorry, 我冇睇清楚,我認錯。

我希望那位末代會考生能為自己的人生努力發奮,人生還有很長的路!加油!讀書只是人生的小部分,既然書已讀完,就不要回頭看,如果後悔當年沒有把書讀好,不要自怨,自卑,書幾時都可以再讀。千萬不要像其他人一般見識,自以為是,唔應該用因為去咗澳洲讀書嚟做同其他人爭唔贏嘅藉口,大把人去澳洲讀完書返嚟香港都有成功事業。加油,初初大學畢業出嚟揾工,唔會人人都好順利,慢慢就能找到方向,努力啊!

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Yanamami    發表於 19-3-30 11:10

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bristol 發表於 19-3-27 15:48
文章中的主角不是我,這篇文章是在親子王國中找到,曾見報。。。  睇野要睇清楚
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我真係去咗你介紹個post 睇,睇咗3頁就覺得浪費時間。

難道你看不出呢位末代會考生的問題根本就不是在澳洲讀大學?

反而覺得你用呢個post做例子係完全徹底冇說服力。

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現在USYD 的物理治療師是要99 先可以入讀!

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如果澳洲 local student 讀UNSW 精算 guaranteed entry都要 ATAR 98% 等於 Top 2% student.

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International Student ATAR 97% 就可以, local student 就要 99%

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ricetaster 發表於 19-3-27 21:00
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International Student ATAR 97% 就可以, local student 就要 99%

係呀⋯⋯有些科外國人仲易入過當地人(不過就要比貴D學費。)

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咁我明白點解有人話澳洲大學收低端學生,其實係大學歡迎學生選擇自己想讀嘅科目,但讀唔讀得掂就要自己量力而為,只係入學機會多d,你讀唔掂佢都會唔俾你畢業。

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本帖最後由 ricetaster 於 19-3-28 13:18 編輯

Correct  

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樂天心 發表於 19-3-27 22:22
咁我明白點解有人話澳洲大學收低端學生,其實係大學歡迎學生選擇自己想讀嘅科目,但讀唔讀得掂就要自己量力 ...
所以咪話易入難出, 大學要搵錢係不爭嘅事實, 但有無本事畢到業, 就睇當事人有無努力過!! 尤其專科!!!

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vanessamom 發表於 19-3-27 19:08
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現在USYD 的物理治療師是要99 先可以入讀!

哩科真係唔易入,用dse計,收international student best five 25分,local student 28分。

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本帖最後由 Yanamami 於 19-3-30 11:15 編輯
artroboy 發表於 19-3-27 14:50
其實澳洲種族歧視比廿年少咗好多,不如擔心某些越來越中式化好過⋯⋯去到講普通話多過英文。 ...

我去果个年代d大学同学对我好好,不过首先要自己願意去融入人地。

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bristol 發表於 19-3-27 10:54
在 education-kingdom 找到另外一篇名為"澳洲畢業返嚟好難競爭,畀首期好過"   的文章,有600多個回覆,大 ...
如果係返香港之前無把握機會係澳洲有1-2 年working experience, 無論你係邊到讀大學都會難揾工,因d 公司超怕train fresh graduate.但如係澳洲做contract又好,perm 又好,有1 年 工作經驗會係香港易揾好多。我地澳洲學力回港好多iBank 請

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Yanamami 發表於 19-3-30 11:14
我去果个年代d大学同学对我好好,不过首先要自己願意去融入人地。
係。
當我地話大陸人黎港時唔尊重本土文化,其實我地自己係出面都隨時做緊同一樣行徑。

留意到係海外,多數中國人(包括香港人)係喜歡自己製造小圈子,唔太熱衷融入當地文化生活。

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Yanamami    發表於 19-4-10 10:51

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回覆樓主:

讀書同工作系兩回事,最重要可以讀到書盡量享受呢個過程,到出來工作就系要識做人,做有用既人。

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本帖最後由 bristol 於 19-4-11 15:27 編輯


前面有幾位澳州幫的貼文,話澳州的大學入學要求高,很多科都要 ATAR>97,只收尖子,吹噓澳州大學的質素。


查實澳州大學,講就話收生要求好高,但實際收生時就很低,有一篇澳洲報紙的報導,完全篤爆澳州大學濫收學生的醜聞。該篇報導的總結如下:      


-NSW 大學的頂級課程,收生低過 ATAR 30

- 入讀學生的成績,比收生的最低要求,還要低 40 (包括UNSW,SydneyU)

-27% SydneyU的學生,未達大學訂明的最低入學要求

- 46% UNSW   的學生,未達大學訂明的最低入學要求

- 66%MacquarieU的學生,未達大學訂明的最低入學要求

-91% UNSW / Bachelor of Combined Law 的學生,未達訂明的ATAR 99.7要求,其中兩個學生只有67

-99% WSU /   Bachelor of Construction Management的學生,未達訂明的ATAR 85要求





https://www.smh.com.au/education/nsw-universities-taking-students-with-atars-as-low-as-30-20160126-gmdvr6.html


https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/australianz/alarm-over-aussie-unis-low-entry-standards




NSW universities are admitting students with ATARs as low as 30 intosome of the state's top tertiary degrees, a Fairfax Media investigation intoconfidential university data has revealed.


Students with marks up to 40 points below the advertised course cut-offare being accepted in fields such as business, teaching and engineering,according to the 2016 admissions figures from the University of Sydney, UNSW,Macquarie University and Western Sydney University.


An ATAR [Australia Tertiary Admissions Rank] isawarded to more than 50,000 NSW high school students in December each year.Universities set an ATAR cut-off according to what they believe is the minimumacademic standard required to complete a course, as well as supply and demandfor the degree.


The admissions data, seen for the first time byFairfax Media, comes four years after the cap on student numbers was lifted bythe federal government in 2012 allowing universities to recruit as manystudents as they can fit. The majority of degrees are funded by the federalgovernment through student loans paid to the universities. The loan, oftenworth more than $20,000, is later repaid by students when they earn over$54,000.


The figures show top Sydney universities areoffering places to thousands of school leavers with marks significantly belowthe minimum entry standard. Up to two thirds of students offered places atMacquarie University had ATARs below the advertised cut-off – the highest shareof the four universities. The University of Sydney had the lowest share, with27 per cent of students scoring below the required mark.


NSW Education Minister Adrian Piccoli said thatuniversities were putting their reputations at risk, and that there was noexcuse for admitting such large numbers of sub-standard students.


"I'm annoyed that universities are takingstudents with such low marks out of self respect for their ownuniversity," he said.

"For universities that are concerned abouttheir rankings internationally to be taking in students with such low ATARs isnot a good look. I know they have funding pressures, but that is noexcuse."


The universities maintain that including studentswho did not get the required ATAR ensures disadvantaged students do not missout on an opportunity for an education.

One student whose applicant report has been obtained by Fairfax Media scored an ATAR in the 30s and was admitted to a combined Bachelor of Secondary Education and Arts at Macquarie Universitywith a cut-off of 75. She had received up to 10 bonus points for being from a disadvantaged school in Sydney's west.


In one of the nation's most prestigious degrees,the Bachelor of Combined Law at UNSW, 91 per cent of offers were made tostudents who did not meet the ATAR cut-off of 99.7, including to two applicantswho had scored only 67. More than 40 per cent of offers made to students tostudy a Bachelor of Combined Law at the University of Sydney were also belowthe cut-off of 99.5.


At Western Sydney University, 99 per cent of the251 students offered places in its Bachelor of Construction Management programdid not make the cut-off of 85. WSU undertook an extensive recruiting drivethis year, offering a record 12,000 places – the most of any NSW tertiaryinstitution.


Individual university applicant reports show thatstudents with ATARs as low as 46 have been offered a place in the MedicalScience degree at Western Sydney University from next year, while Macquarie hasinvited students with ATARs in the 30s and who failed to score above a Band 3in HSC economics to take up Commerce degrees.

The practice of offering discounted ATAR entryremains prevalent among teaching degrees, despite a recent NSW governmentstipulation that all incoming teaching students must score three band 5s intheir HSC subjects. The restriction does not apply to students undertakingdouble degrees.


At UNSW one in three students across all seven ofits combined teaching degrees failed to make the minimum standard. More than 86per cent of students admitted to Western Sydney University's combined Bachelorof Arts and Master of Primary Teaching degree did not make the advertisedcut-off of 70.


Mr Piccoli said universities were using teachingstudents as cash cows to accumulate Commonwealth government funding throughHECS debts.

He said the federal government should set minimumentry requirements or cap the number of funded places.

Federal Education Minister Simon Birmingham saidthere were no current plans to reinstate caps for universities.


"Universities must take responsibility forthose students they choose to enrol and ensure they have the capabilities andsupport to succeed," he said

All four universities declined to comment onindividual student applications.

A UNSW spokeswoman said students were validlyadmitted through "alternative entry schemes," and cited the ATAR as afar from perfect measure of academic potential, despite the universityenthusiastically advertising their ATAR cut-offs last week.


A spokeswoman for the University of Sydney saidthat some of its students who were significantly below ATAR cut-offs wereadmitted through its Indigenous opportunity program, while WSU and Macquariesaid that the admissions take into account a variety of circumstances that mayhave disadvantaged students during their studies.




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bristol 發表於 19-4-11 15:24
前面有幾位澳州幫的貼文,話澳州的大學入學要求高,很多科都要 ATAR>97,只收尖子,吹噓澳州大學的質素。
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thanks for sharing


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