IB課程LANGUAGE 選項問題

ratafan

DreamKid 發表於 17-7-20 12:43
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我記得港大醫科有要求識講廣東話

I think fluent spoken Canto is more important than English to practise medicine in hk as the majority of the community you are serving speaks canto. Particularly the case in the segment which requires public medical services the most , ie Geriatric. The doctors have to not only being able to speak fluent canto here, but also having sufficient awareness of some current social issues as most of thecases they encounter in public hospitals on a day to day basis are somehow directly or indirectly associated with these social issues. Therefore I think it is fair for hk universities to impose that requirements on subjects linked to professions that serve the community

lui

nintendo 發表於 17-7-20 12:43
Thank you for putting this link here.
I think this has been shared in the past in other topics and ...

大家明白總分仍重要，不會認為Achieve最低要求就入到。

shadeslayer

nintendo 發表於 17-7-20 12:32
I know someone from UK. UK born chinese, speaks very little cantonese, but cannot read chinese at  ...

Local IS kids are just westernized, that's all (I think).   And it is natural for people who has similar culture and values to stick together.

So the question is how and why the BBC mix well with local school kids, not the other way round.   is it because the BBC made huge effort trying to mix with local and learn canto?  Was the BBC brought up in the UK like a local Chinese, having little Western values?    has he got a local girl friend?  etc.

964000

shadeslayer 發表於 17-7-20 16:04
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 17-7-20 16:23 編輯

Local IS kids are just westernized, that's all (I t ...

I think for the IS kids to mix up well with local kids, first they must be able to speak Cantonese fluently and natively. Honestly as a local kid when I was small, I felt stressful and unconfident to speak English in front of native English speakers.
I have colleagues from ESF grats, they speak entirely native Cantonese and we mixed up well at workplace and nobody noticed they came from IS at all.

ratafan

964000 發表於 17-7-20 16:56
I think for the IS kids to mix up well with local kids, first they must be able to speak Cantonese  ...

Agreed. It's not about IS or not, it's the problem of individuals if they can't mix up well in different environments. Kids in IS used to have more opportunities to interact with people from different nationalities. They should be able to mix well with people from different backgrounds ! If they can't, they are studying in a pseudo IS, not real IS.

shadeslayer

Dear-Valerie 發表於 17-7-20 09:10
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咁係因為你提及的別人已經research過... 亦比較多資料有跡可尋...

最近有些家長，先 shortlist 雙語國際學校，其他不考慮。這樣會排除大部分lS，包括很多好學校，例如 ESF, GSIS, FIS, CDNIS, Harrow, Kellett。

人各有志，但我不會這樣選。

shadeslayer

ratafan 發表於 17-7-20 17:40
Agreed. It's not about IS or not, it's the problem of individuals if they can't mix up well in diff ...

No no, 物以類聚不難理解，不能 assume lS kids can mix well with anyone.   Can we assume UK/US graduates can mix well with anyone ?  If not, should they be called psuedo UK/US students?

It also depends how you define "mix well".   One IS group of friends and another LS group of friends invite a IS grad to social events at the same time, does he or she more likely to "prefer" spending time with the IS group or the LS group?

Of course it also depends on the individual as everyone is different.

shadeslayer

nintendo 發表於 17-7-20 12:36
Yes.
Students can take 4 HL.
Universities not only look at grades, they also look at which 3 HLs st ...

Students can take 4 HL, but it is considerably more effort to take one more HL than necessary.

Chinese B HL is the same as French B HL or Spanish B HL.IBDP standard has a second language, typically language B.Why would any Uni not consider Chinese / French / Spanish B HL as a HL subject?

Obviously if the course is about language, humanities or law (文科), language B HL is better then Physics HL?

When I spoke to a school IB counsellor, she said many uni normally look at IB score first, then look at the HLs whether they complement their course.

EASTCOAST

shadeslayer 發表於 17-7-20 19:11
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Students can take 4 HL, but it is considerably more ...

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Chinese B HL is the same as French B HL or Spanish B HL.IBDP standard has a second language, typically language B.Why would any Uni not consider Chinese / French / Spanish B HL as a HL subject?
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大學教授收生自然識比較，考生覺得大學只看分數高低也冇問題。
現實是language B HL 比 language A standard 易好多，又讀少一科HL，分數可能差3分！
仲有，現在有很多修雙母語又高分數的考生，教授們自然識揀。

nintendo

poonseelai 發表於 17-7-20 12:46
四五年前聽中大介紹也要求可聽講廣東話，可能政策变了

Nothing mentioned about Cantonese at CUHK this year.
And interview was only conducted in English.

nintendo

DreamKid 發表於 17-7-20 12:43
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我記得港大醫科有要求識講廣東話

Thanks for pointing this out.
This is probably why many IS students tend to apply to CUHK only.
CUHK never set this requirement, or at least not this year.

nintendo

lui 發表於 17-7-20 13:35
大家明白總分仍重要，不會認為Achieve最低要求就入到。

Not only about "total score" but also the details of the profile of admitted students.
For example, I do not think English B HL would be a good choice if students aim LLB.We are talking about competition. I would say that English B HL would not be competitive enough.
You can study hard to push your score of English A SL.
But there is nothing you can do if you made a poor choice of subjects from the beginning.

shadeslayer

EASTCOAST 發表於 17-7-22 11:26
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Chinese B HL is the same as French B HL or Spanish B HL.IBDP standard has a second langu ...

香港咁獨特情況，双母語多過其他國家。其他國家和lB標準只是 1 Lang A, 1 Lang B。

就講香港，全港lB校有幾多  Bilingual diploma 比例高？  ISF, VSA, CIS, SIS, .... 幾間，佢地有幾多比例係 Bilingual Diploma?  Even with such selection, affluent parents and schools big push in bilingual education, ISF has 68% bilingual diploma.  

要lB双母語，要D天分，不然 it will take a toll on other subjects.

nintendo

shadeslayer 發表於 17-7-20 19:11
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 17-7-20 19:13 編輯

Students can take 4 HL, but it is considerably more ...

"Students can take 4 HL, but it is considerably more effort to take one more HL than necessary.

Chinese B HL is the same as French B HL or Spanish B HL.IBDP standard has a second language, typically language B.Why would any Uni not consider Chinese / French / Spanish B HL as a HL subject?"



You have missed my point.
Universities would look at which 3 HL subjects students take.
If Chinese B HL is one of the 3 HL subjects, it is not going to help much because most programs do not require Chinese. So most students that take Chinese B HL would take one more HL.


Yes, you were right, French B HL and Spanish B HL would have the same "problem". Unless you are sure the program you applied to require French or Spanish, I would not think you need to have to make French or Spanish one of your HL subjects.

So, for most other programs that do not require a second language as admission requirement, tt is best to choose Language A SL or Language B SL instead for your Group 2. If not, and you need to stick to Language B HL, choose one more HL of another subject to make your profile more attractive.
Remember, you are actually competing with other students. So it is up to you whether you want yourself to be more competitive. It would not help simply looking at the admission requirement, and believe that you have already fulfilled the minimum.

I am not saying this out of my head. I have 2 kids completed IB already. I have seen many cases of admitted or rejected. And many disappointed students were Chinese B HL students (only 3 HL). Other students with similar grades but not Chinese B HL (another subject in HL) might already got offer.


I am no expert, but just sharing what I saw.
I will leave it to parents to judge what they want to believe.

planetearth

有朋友的朋友兒子IB43分入Standford, 要求好耐學校才肯讓考Chi B, 那學生讀理科，雖然中文程度都好好，但始終正式考試要花好多時間準備。
不過學校真的是push雙語A，但有些是外國人或父母不懂中文的真的有點難度。有些也是家長or學生按自己的興趣選擇。
阿仔有同學是法國人(父母都是)，兄長讀中、英雙A，不過父母都是linguistic方面，母親是作家。

nintendo

planetearth 發表於 17-7-22 12:06
有朋友的朋友兒子IB43分入Standford, 要求好耐學校才肯讓考Chi B, 那學生讀理科，雖然中文程度都好好，但始 ...

It is always a huge arguable issue when a school decide whether a student should take Lang A or Lang B (and Lang B or Lang ab initio) for his Group 2.
This is not only an issue of Chinese language.
My child was not allowed to take French ab initio.

shadeslayer

nintendo 發表於 17-7-22 12:03
"Students can take 4 HL, but it is considerably more effort to take one more HL than necessary.

Ch ...

Trouble is, the gap between Lang A SL and Lang B SL is huge. In theory, schools should always put students to appropriate challenges.   Not too over or under reaching.

Of course HL subjects matter to the admission. What I am saying is HL is a reflection of the students strength and interest in certain area. Be it language, humanities, science.

My real question is, second language HL (whether it is A or B) is probably not being viewed favourably in math, science and engineering over say Economics?

Likewise would linguistics, law, humanities, politics etc programs value a Language HL (whether it is A or B) over physics or biology?

shadeslayer

nintendo 發表於 17-7-22 12:23
It is always a huge arguable issue when a school decide whether a student should take Lang A or La ...

Not allowed French ab initio?   Presumably because your child has a stronger French than ab initio?