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椅底設儲物格 港大生空中巴士創意賽奪冠

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發表於 17-6-3 21:14 |顯示全部帖子
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The competition has 5 categories, some in business model and some in passenger experience and flight operation. The UK team is in business model and HK team in passenger experience.
ROI vs customer satisfaction.
God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

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ANChan59 發表於 17-6-3 21:14
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The competition has 5 categories, some in business model and some in passen ...

本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 17-6-3 22:59 編輯

本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 17-6-3 22:58 編輯

I am saying "benefits" . They spent 90% of time talking about how they found space.  The only clear benefit they highlighted was "time saving", which they did not follow through. It was not obvious how this space translates to customer experience.  They assume it was understood.  Well, I didn't understand.

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akys 發表於 17-6-3 21:13
當年畢業後去了一家MNC, 要上幾個禮拜training, 第一次接觸FAB, 導師話坊間十個有九個sales嘅重點放喺F和A ...

本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 17-6-3 23:41 編輯

I don't know. but one point the HK team can improve is really on articulating the benefits, more on time saving, how to achieve time saving, what time saving mean to customers and the airline. what other customer experience benefits? Is it leg room, is it additional baggage for customers? etc etc.

of course the HK team being one of the 5 finalists is a huge success in itself.


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Covenant2017 發表於 17-6-2 15:03
我幾時有反對鼓勵劊意及反對Think out if the box 呢
我只是在評論大家同樣看到文字報導時,你們卻 ...

I agree.

I personally know a few young people that are product design or architecture students.
Most of their "designs" would probably not work realistically. But schools always still let them think out of the box.
However, in their curriculum, there is also a time when they need to do presentations of their designs, and internal professors or outside professionals would come to school and challenge their design. This is actually a very important part of their curriculum.
So a good design has to be both innovative and practical.
I think designers, architects and engineers should be problem solvers.
Artists can think of anything they like, but problem solvers should produce practical solutions.

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發表於 17-6-4 12:47 |顯示全部帖子
creativity is the major concern and core value in this competition,commercial thinking shouldn't be in the first place my dear. all new fresh ideas would be extinguished in the cruel practical world.

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發表於 17-6-4 12:55 |顯示全部帖子
有没有去過時装設针系的畢業展或比赛?大部份的作品不能出街,或成本極貴或用料問題等等,但創意在學生階段,都是 first concern.

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ANChan59    發表於 17-6-4 15:23
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Covenant2017 發表於 17-6-4 12:04
揾到空位是好事,但我幾可肯定並非每一張Econ座位下面會有所述之空間,機倉底層除了是行李倉之外,還有許 ...

Even with these questions and challenges, I would give them the benefits of doubt for them to explain the benefits.   Alas, they did not make the most of the presentation.
The more bizzare a thing is, the less mysterious it proves to be.

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nintendo 發表於 17-6-4 12:06
I agree.

I personally know a few young people that are product design or architecture students.

本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 17-6-4 14:53 編輯

Engineering solutions must not exist on their own, they have to exist to address a "problem. "

If I were advising these HK students, I would tell them to do first thing first in the presentation, i.e. Articulate the Problem Statement clearly, followed by how their solution solve the problem, reiterates the benefits, then elaborate on various challenges, and leaving the details of the Journey of the solution to the last or omitting it entirely and talk about what is next.

They seem to think more space is the solution to many problems they don't need to talk about.  And that is worthy of all the trouble of retrofitting the boxes underfloor.

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20120808 發表於 17-6-4 12:47
creativity is the major concern and core value in this competition,commercial thinking shouldn't be ...

Creativity without practicality is just fantasies.    I am not saying fantasies are not good, they are even important.

But the students were trying to develop ideas to aviation industries.

Imagine the student said they had some ideas and they did not know if they are practical, they would not have gone very far in the competition.
The more bizzare a thing is, the less mysterious it proves to be.

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shadeslayer 發表於 17-6-4 15:02
Creativity without practicality is just fantasies.    I am not saying fantasies are not good, they  ...
They are going farther than other finalists, they are the champion of the competition, out of 650+ teams and 3k+ participants ......

In this type of competition, the prototypes are proof of concepts, but you are looking for perfect solutions ..... marketable at this stage ..... Even ITF funds also have different tiers for different stages of development of innovation and technology.


The last question from Air Bus is a great conclusion, are they interested to move on the project after graduation. For me, they just passed the group recruitment interview of Air Bus.

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If they participate the "EK - Blow Water Innovation" competition, all participants will be shot down by our jury, no survivors.
God grant me the serenity
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courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

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ANChan59 發表於 17-6-4 15:22
They are going farther than other finalists, they are the champion of the competition, out of 650+ t ...

本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 17-6-4 15:37 編輯

Again, don't get me wrong, there are some questions and challenges and I am willing to reserve my judgment on the final product.   And of course I am proud of the HK team coming this far.

my biggest comment has nothing to do with the creativity or practicality of the design, it is the benefits (or problem statement) which received too little attention in the presentation.

They should also have limited one of the student to speak as his English even I, a local HK person, find it hard to understand. I hope it is just me.

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本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 17-6-4 15:55 編輯
shadeslayer 發表於 17-6-4 15:02
Creativity without practicality is just fantasies.    I am not saying fantasies are not good, they  ...

In their presentation, they tried to address the safety requirement of aviation industries and also the first question from the jury to clarify the design during emergency and evacuation conditions, the jury satisfied with their answers.


They also addressed the weight, spaces, material, electrical and electronic network to solve the multiple constraints problem.



It's a four days on site competition, only four days.


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Unfortunately, i can't find their judging criteria, I guess may come from the following items:


Innovative idea
Technical competence
Team work
Presentation & Q&A
Possibility of commercialisation (Optional)


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Example of another competition


SCORING RUBRICS & WEIGHTING

Clinical Impacts (25%)  -  Needs, Potential clinical benefits, Clinical feasibility, Business model (including regulatory issues, etc.)

Novelty (25%)  -  Major conceptual innovation vs incremental gain over existing products, Potential IP

Technical Merits (40%)  -  Technical challenges, Demonstration of technical feasibility

Presentation (10%)  -  Clarity, Captivating presentation


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If we know the judging criteria, we may have different views, and more appreciation of the finalists.

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

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發表於 17-6-4 15:52 |顯示全部帖子
Another example.

http://www.dreamcatchers.hku.hk/?p=1838


DreamCatchers Medtech Hackathon Hong Kong 2017 is back! The only way to do it is “TO DO IT!” Let’s spend a week to demystify the process of healthcare innovation in Hong Kong.

How can we live longer and healthier? Healthy ageing relies on quality, cost-effective preventive care, relevant personalized health knowledge and behavioral change, and improved timely access to quality “sick care”. From AI-assisted screening to precision medicine, and remote sensing to assistive robotics, innovative MedTech solutions can enhance the quality of life for the ageing population and create immense social impact.  However, innovating in health is challenging, requiring interdisciplinary teams of medical professionals, engineers, developers, and designers to tackle unmet needs.

Co-organised by the University of Hong Kong (HKU) and Hong Kong Science and Technology Parks Corporation (HKSTP), the DreamCatchers MedTech Hackathon Hong Kong 2017 will be led by Dr Robert Chang and team from Stanford University.

The week long hackathon is targeting students from Stanford University and Hong Kong universities, and young professionals from HKSTP to experience Stanford Biodesign methodologies, design thinking, business model canvas, and to work in interdisciplinary teams to come up with prototypes of sustainable healthcare solutions.

Theme: Enabling Medical Care Outside the Hospital

Date: June 18-25, 2017*
Venue: Hong Kong Science Park & The University of Hong Kong
Apply NOW if you have skills/training in engineering, medicine, design, software development, and/or business!

Online application: http://bit.ly/2o2rs1l

Application Deadline: 30 April, 2017

*Committed participants have to join for the whole session of 18 – 25 June , 2017



Who Should Apply?
– Talented minds who are keen to transform the healthcare products/services and with strong interests in entrepreneurship
– Graduate with bachelor degree or the above from Engineering, Computing, Medicine, Design, Business field
– Medical students OR current students with demonstrated maker movement skills may also apply



What to Expect ?
1.  Close Encounter with physicians and patients to explore unmet needs at a hospital setting

2.  Develop prototype on device / app / new tech / service / web service with immediate potential for clinical validation studies

3.  Compete in interdisciplinary teams for a technically feasible, financially viable and novel digital health solution for unmet care needs at Queen Mary Hospital

4.  Pitch your business plan to investors and esteemed entrepreneurs from HK, Mainland China and Silicon Valley to win the Grand Prize






18 June, 2017

Welcome dinner



19-20 June, 2017

Site visit
Queen Mary Hospital



21-23 June, 2017

Ideation & Prototype Development
Brainstorm for creative solutions that can best address the identified need. Filtering to the most promising solution and develop prototype concept with 3D printer and other development tools.



24-25 June, 2017

Business Plan & Investment Pitch
Learn about financial modeling for healthcare products and develop the business model canvas that is compelling and sustainable. 6 minutes pitch competition in front of investors, entrepreneurs and medical professional
God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

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發表於 17-6-4 18:59 |顯示全部帖子
Why Seats Are the New Weapons for Airlines?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di_kDGI6JNQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wWMd4Fdtbg

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回覆:椅底設儲物格 港大生空中巴士創意賽奪冠

年輕人應該多支持。

乜野都彈,好煩



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Wonderlady 發表於 17-6-5 16:10
年輕人應該多支持。

乜野都彈,好煩

其實都反映不同家長在家中如何鼓勵,或者對孩子撥冷水,種瓜得瓜,種豆得豆!

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

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Wonderlady 發表於 17-6-5 16:10
年輕人應該多支持。

乜野都彈,好煩

本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 17-6-5 18:04 編輯

鼓厲多嘗試, 接受孩子失敗是必需的。但認真的比意見, 認真的「彈」係成長一部份, 尤其係大學生。

通常我想害佢的人, 或者我唔 care 的人, 我只會有讚無彈。

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本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 17-6-5 18:04 編輯

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