私立學校和國際學校的分別？

nintendo

無際星塵 發表於 16-11-6 09:35
因此，若某學校有權話事及高層管理者若非本身是native English speakers及自幼接受西方現代教育模式長大，他們所辦及管理的學校，無論是採用那個學制，也無法辦出一間真正的國際學校，而那些學生的平均英文水平也無法可跟真正國際學校學生相比。

So, you are saying a student that has a 7 in English A in say ISF or VSA, has poorer English than a student who has a 7 in English A at CDNIS? Well, I respect your views. You have your rights to believe in things you prefer to believe in. But for university application purposes, top universities do not see things the way you prefer.

poonseelai

Kittybama 發表於 16-11-6 13:48
其實大家用英文學習的時間差不多，為何有些學校可以教到學生英文達1st Lang 程度，而非國際學校只能達2nd L ...

重點不是時間，是內容

nintendo

Kittybama 發表於 16-11-6 13:48
其實大家用英文學習的時間差不多，為何有些學校可以教到學生英文達1st Lang 程度，而非國際學校只能達2nd L ...

If you are talking about IS vs LS, then it has nothing to do with the the spent on learning English. Rather, the main difference is with design of the curriculum.
Local school is using the local English curriculum which was designed to be at second language level.
So even if you have learnt English from P1 to F6, you have always been learning English as a second language.
Even at local elite schools, they are also following the local curriculum and thus their top students who get 5** in DSE English are only considered to have English at second language level.
On the other hand, students in international schools (most if not all), students will be learning English as a first language. Students that eventually sit for IB English A exams are all considered to have English as first language.
Universities do not judge you with your ethnicity. They look at what exam you write.

nintendo

Kittybama 發表於 16-11-6 14:07
若重點不是時間，為何不教1st Lang程度的英文？而且那些學生將來升學或工作也大多是以英文為主。

大家都是 ...

It is because the curriculum is different.
IB, GCE, AP, have English as first language curriculum.
DSE has English as second language curriculum.
So even if you spend the same number of years learning English, you will not achieve first language English in a local school.

nintendo

Kittybama 發表於 16-11-6 14:18
既然LS及IS花在學習英文的時間差不多，為何LS要設計一個淺啲的curriculum?而事實上，絕大部分LS學生將來升 ...

Ask the HK government.
And by the way, you know what, local students are complaining that the Chinese curriculum (which is at first language level) is too hard. Oh well.

Cara2006

nintendo 發表於 16-11-6 14:11
Even at local elite schools, they are also following the local curriculum and thus their top students who get 5** in DSE English are only considered to have English at second language level.

DSE English = second language 唔係好多 LS 學生知。
我親戚個女 DSE English 5* ，DSE 中文 5，佢話自己英文好過中文。

Cara2006

Kittybama 發表於 16-11-6 14:07
若重點不是時間，為何不教1st Lang程度的英文？而且那些學生將來升學或工作也大多是以英文為主。

大家都是 ...

其實一直香港人都係咁學英文，如果問點解，真係唔知。
所以去 local international school  點都有好處，就算 100% 香港人，都好過跟 local school 。

KarenKang

語言是同生活語境有關，家庭語境及生活環境的因素很重要，所以學語言是immersion的。人腦所接受的資訊潛意識是有主有次，如果playground language朋友仔都用中文，那英文就变成2nd Language了。所以student mix是其中一個重要因素，還有本身教學的老師是否native? 老師除了傳授的學術知識，自身的文化對學生也是有影響的。
又例如，本地家長都看本地電視，而美國長大的家長都看美國電視，那孩子的英文水平就有分别了，達出來的文化也有差異。

torunpoland

我的意見，用比較師奶的講法：俾小朋友讀國際學校，即係養鬼仔。希望大家明我意思。

課程設計／Student mix／老師背景／辦學人士背景／管理層態度，呢D全部都係因素。好難話咩野因素佔幾多個％，總之炒埋一碟，讀國際學校一定係養鬼仔，問題係作為父母／校方，你入返幾多中國傳統的養份俾小朋友，呢點就人人唔同，學校取向亦有別。

shadeslayer

poonseelai 發表於 16-11-6 09:23
英文水平差異同 eng as a first language or second language 都有關，本地教育已英文as a second languag ...

Most PISs have English as first language?  Like Sacred Heart Canossian primary school, Choi Kai Yau and Victoria?

Moonlight819

KarenKang 發表於 16-11-6 14:51
語言是同生活語境有關，家庭語境及生活環境的因素很重要，所以學語言是immersion的。人腦所接受的資訊潛意 ...

所以重點是IS所有老師和同學間也只說英文，但LS（even in top school as DGS), 同學間也只會說廣東話（我朋友囡囡讀緊說），所以英文程度當然差天共地了！

964000

shadeslayer 發表於 16-11-6 16:51
Most PISs have English as first language?  Like Sacred Heart Canossian primary school, Choi Kai Yau ...

Actually what kind of private school is the host referring to? Local school private school or international style like Anfield, ISF?

heebo

I believe she refers to Private Independent Schools (PIS) vs International Schools.  I never knew the difference but I have browsed the info in the Edu Bureau's website and found that both categories are part of the private school sector.  There are only 7 PISs (  CKY, DC, ICS, ISF, RC, VSA, Yew chung Secondary) but there are 51 IS.  Yew Chung Primary is an IS but its Secondary School is a PIS.  According to Edu Bureau's definition, a PIS is required to take in at least 70% students who are permanent residents of HK.

Cara2006

KarenKang 發表於 16-11-6 14:51
語言是同生活語境有關，家庭語境及生活環境的因素很重要，所以學語言是immersion的。人腦所接受的資訊潛意 ...

語境當然重要！
但如果因種種原因，不能入 international school ，那麼入 local international school 也是一個出路，
可以話係 "好過冇"。
利申：仔女是 ESF。