在國際學校中學畢業

samsam123321

oooray 發表於 16-4-16 11:42
呢樣先恐怖。算你40%40+,即係60%40-。全校平均35,36,37都好，即係最終有一半人低於此數，唔係一兩個，係一 ...

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annie40

人生的每個階段也要重新洗牌，有書讀，乖乖地，就一定有運行。家長認定40分以上是基本的學習目標，反而會收窄視野，阻礙孩子的發展。

總之看多些書，計下算術，正道是終身學習，無論點様洗牌，洗多少次，如何洗，都無有怕呢。

oooray

原帖由 samsam123321 於 16-04-16 發表
每間學校都是這樣，除非你平均分係42, 否則唔係咁分佈唔通全校個個人都係35分？ ...

我只是回應及認同Nintendo說，不少家長入了一間有點名氣的學校，便以為天下無敵，願望達成，而忘記其中有大部份人將來只是替別人抬轎。

samsam123321

oooray 發表於 16-4-16 23:57
我只是回應及認同Nintendo說，不少家長入了一間有點名氣的學校，便以為天下無敵，願望達成，而忘記其中有大 ...

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slamai

nintendo 發表於 16-4-15 22:19
Thank you for trying to come up with some way to compare.
I am not familiar with DSE scores. So how ...

From my simplified example, it may be assumed that the DSE score for Best 5 is 21 or above which is more realistic than all subjects having same score of 4.

This DSE score may be admitted to the following Big 3 programmes in 2015:

HKU Science (lowest Best 6 = 24)
UST Science (lower quartile 4C+1 = 21)
CU English (lower quartile Best 5 = 20)
CU Engine (lower quartile 4C+1 = 20)

The following link is relevant:
http://www.jupas.edu.hk/f/page/267/af_2015.pdf

Cara2006

slamai 發表於 16-4-15 14:52
A simplified example to compare IB 31 with DSE score:

Assume bonus = 1

So you mean DSE 5** worth higher than IB 7? I do not agree. You need to take into consideration the content of the curriculum. IB English A is miles harder than DSE English.  Note that English B HL covers some literature, but DSE English does not. So my view is DSE English cannot even be considered in par with English B HL. IB Chinese A is definitely harder than a DSE Chinese. Like I said Chinese B HL covers literature. So I would say DSE Chinese is probably somewhere between Chinese A SL and Chinese B HL. Also Math SL comprises Calculus, while DSE Math core is really easy.
Jupas admission look primary at the core subjects and if we look at the actual standard of these core subjects, I do believe IB students are better. This is probably the reason why many programs (except "god-programs" like medicine and law) do take students with a mere 31-33 (a lot lower than the average of 35 of most schools). So, if the lowest score local universities (big 3) accepted was 31, I can estimate at least 60% of IB students met the entry requirements of local universities (big 3). However, it is also true most IB students do not aim to study in Hong Kong and many of them did not even apply.
PS. Read that lots of DSE students complaint that IB students used "short cut" to get into local universities. May be they should ask themselves whether they can in any way pass a Language A class first before complaining.

shadeslayer

原帖由 Cara2006 於 16-04-21 發表
本帖最後由 Cara2006 於 16-4-21 11:45 編輯

Whether Ib is easier than DSE is difficult to come to a conclusion. Even if we assume IB is less academically demanding than DSE, people should think about why local universities would accept students with less academic achievements.

slamai

Cara2006 發表於 16-4-21 11:40
So you mean DSE 5** worth higher than IB 7? I do not agree. You need to take into consideration the ...

While I generally agree with your comments, a comparison of individual subjects is beyond the current discussion. My simplified example has adopted a conversion scale similar to UCAS tariff table which is also commonly found in the conditional offers of many overseas universities.  For competitive UK universities, they give offers based on 3 electives of DSE, though sometimes also with min requirements on the core subjects.

annie40

兩種學習模式的教和學所採用的資源是完全不對等。希望應考DSE的孩子加倍努力，而應考IB的孩子加倍感恩。

覺得孰難孰易？努力地温習大學考試的精英學生話回頭看，兩個試也是小兒科而已，現在才是最辛苦。

samsam123321

shadeslayer 發表於 16-4-21 13:17
Whether Ib is easier than DSE is difficult to come to a conclusion. Even if we assume IB is less aca ...

好簡單，因為現實生活工作不需要dse 的training,Ib的training.更乎合現實工作需要。

annie40

如果IB課程的創辦者還健在，聽到IB是training 學生們更乎合實際工作需要, 也許會吐血。

IB 精神應該是教育, 教育孩子廣納,包容,行善,自省,習慣批判思考,有創新勇氣，享受終身學習, 以小我惠及大我為樂。

這樣的人，十分合適自僱,  又或當企業家, 並間接和直接地為社會創造工作。

DSE 孩子有自己的路，聰明，肯吃苦的，就是未來的馬雲，王衞，余佳文。

bristol

To compare the standard of HKDSE and IB, we may look at the grade distribution.  Take Chemistry as an example:-


HKDSE 5** = 2.6% ;                           IB (HL) 7 = 10%
HKDSE 4 or above = 51.7%               IB (HL) 4 or above =  73%


The percentage of candidates getting a 7 in IB is higher than a 5** in HKDSE.  However, the quality of IB students (in terms of financial support, family background etc) is better than HKDSE as a whole. In some HK schools offering both HKDSE and IB curriculum, only high caliber students are allowed to take IB .     






http://www.ibo.org/contentassets/bc850970f4e54b87828f83c7976a4db6/may-2014-stats-bulletin.pdf
http://www.hkeaa.edu.hk/DocLibrary/Media/PR/20150714_HKDSE_Results_ENG_FULL.pdf

poonseelai

無謂比較, 兩個制度和要求不同, 比較意義不大, 更何況話邊個難D或易D， 甚至他日做什麼。 IB在港只是少眾, 亦是父母孩子的選擇, DSE 無奈地非学術型孩子也要参與, 讀IB 也有 hea 住讀 hea 住考的学生。

964000

原帖由 poonseelai 於 16-04-22 發表
無謂比較, 兩個制度和要求不同, 比較意義不大, 更何況話邊個難D或易D， 甚至他日做什麼。 IB在港只是少眾,  ...

Agree, I saw a lot of smart and capable DSE grats too, sometimes is a combination of family background, character, parenting etc rather than just related to the education system. I always think for a smart person, any system will thrive. Just choose the one you feel more comfortable and you believe in.

shadeslayer

Of course we can't generalize or stereotype to all individuals in DSE or IB.

My daughter does debate classes every week and some of her local school classmates have perfect English (to my ears) and excellent ideas.  

Smart kids are smart kids and they will do well regardless of the curriculum you throw at them.

LuiLuiLaw

原帖由 samsam123321 於 16-04-16 發表
你講的情況也發生係其他名校，無咩特別。

認同你說法，我本身好緊張自己小朋友既學業，亦覺得自己小朋友聰明，受教，愛思考，語言能力比人強，其他學科程度也高過同班同學.....我最終選擇國際學校，不是炫耀什麼，只希望佢活得怏樂，愉快學習，多過只求分數，唔希望為左成績而傷害母子關係

joyjoyparent

回覆 Cara2006 的帖子

I guess the answer is yes and no. Yes, IB language syllabi have covered more literature elements and their IAs are more vigorous and demanding. No, IB language exams are marked with divergent markers around the world, and thus they can accept diverse answers. But the DSE exam is more restrictive and have a standardised marking scheme. And the DSE exam questions are trickier. Thus, to say that IB is more demanding needs qualification.

mrschan256

原帖由 Cara2006 於 16-04-21 發表
本帖最後由 Cara2006 於 16-4-21 11:45 編輯

do u mean in IB , they will take 31-35 for med?

lui

原帖由 mrschan256 於 16-05-22 發表
do u mean in IB , they will take 31-35 for med?

Inpossible! For med at least 40.