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hogwarts 發表於 15-11-30 10:41
個人看法，的確為家庭有資源和不願冒 DSE 中文這個大風險的學生

唔 take DSE 中文，要 take IB English A or Chinese A，似乎對香港學生更大風險。
IB Language A，要 cover 十幾本書，考試要 base on these works to do comparison, 另外又有 unseen work， 要做analysis， commentary，全部 essay questions。唔係好似 DSE 中文，comprehension 重玩 multiple choice。



我未見過外國有邊個高中 curriculum 係唔需要一科 first language，UK US Canada 英文科基本上是 literature 為主。
台灣大陸日本，本國語文科都唔易。
成日話 DSE 中文難，咁唔讀中文，用邊科做 first language？
英文？好！你地有信心，可以改到 curriculum 係 first language level ，冇問題，重好，到時去英國升學唔需要考 IELTS。

TwinWong

fion6406 發表於 15-11-27 16:39
IB 點會無得谷，你Google 下「IB 補習」睇下，好多「教育工作者」一早已經睇到呢個市場潛力。



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睇中揾商機

Bluemoonty

hogwarts 發表於 15-11-30 11:30
IB 學生思想好 D？

believe his point ...meaning of student with more creative thinking, more practice on their home work, team work, assignment as well as more initiative during the program from S4-6

caa

I think students need to study Shakespeare or similar literature for English as first language. I remember seeing a post saying HK kids not up to reading Times magazine etc. I wonder if DSE students in general can really take English as first language for reading and writing, not to mention speaking and listening

cow

caa 發表於 15-11-30 12:22
I wonder if DSE students in general can really take English as first language for reading and writing

In general, NO; but some can, for example those switch to IBDP after S4.

caa

cow 發表於 15-11-30 13:08
In general, NO; but some can, for example those switch to IBDP after S4.

Only a very small proportion of students in HK can switch from local curriculum to IBDP. Then out of that small proportion, not all pursue English A. Some students can choose English B (as second language) for IBDP.
On the other hand, there are also some students who study IB or non-local curriculum all the way take both languages at native level, i.e. taking English A and Chinese A together

cow

問題係有的學生無財力讀DSE以外的課程, 而DSE要中英３又太死板，學生無得揀．有的Ｕ謀的系又亂咁收non-jupas, 又或者驚死人唔讀, set到個conditional offer鬼咁低(IBDP29分, GCE BCC). 講真IB35分GCE AAA可以入好多科, 但DSE555都仲要睇其他科考成點.

cow

caa 發表於 15-11-30 13:19
On the other hand, there are also some students who study IB or non-local curriculum all the way take both languages at native level, i.e. taking English A and Chinese A together

What you said are correct. However, if one studies GCE, one just needs IELTS 6/6.5 or IGCSE grade B/C in English second language, and IGCSE in Chinese language (properly second language is ok), even though one studies both languages at native level.

nintendo

cow 發表於 15-11-30 13:25
問題係有的學生無財力讀DSE以外的課程, 而DSE要中英３又太死板，學生無得揀．有的Ｕ謀的系又亂咁收non-jupas, 又或者驚死人唔讀, set到個conditional offer鬼咁低(IBDP29分, GCE BCC). 講真IB35分GCE AAA可以入好多科, 但DSE555都仲要睇其他科考成點.

有的Ｕ謀的系又亂咁收non-jupas, 又或者驚死人唔讀, set到個conditional offer鬼咁低(IBDP29分, GCE BCC)


<===== You have got things mixed up.


"Conditions" are different from "threshold". Universities give offers to students by looking at their predicted grades. My understanding is that, you need a predicted grades of around 38 to get admission to most programs at HKU CUHK (may be lower for some programs and definitely higher for programs like medicine, law, and finance). Not sure which program you are talking about that asked for a final score of 29. But that student definitely did not have a PG of 29.


This is a common practice for lots of universities in western countries. Because admission process starts as early as September and would end in January. No student can provide universities a final grade (whether IB, AL, etc). All universities look at predicted grades or internal grades. Some US universities even give out firm offers. Some say that is "unconditional offer", because they no longer care what you get for final grades once you made it to meet that entrance threshold.


So please do not mix up the "condition" and the threshold.


May be Hong Kong students are not used to the admission process elsewhere.

cow

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Yes, I am talking about conditional offer of 29 marks. End up the student got 4x marks.

cow

See how UNSW compares IBDP with HKDSE.

IBDP 35 HKDSE 21 (best 5) 5**,5*=6, 5=5, maths 5**,5*=3, 5=2.5
IBDP 38 HKDSE 24 (best 5)

http://www.international.unsw.ed ... derGrad_dragged.pdf

nintendo

cow 發表於 15-11-30 16:07
See how UNSW compares IBDP with HKDSE.

IBDP 35 HKDSE 21 (best 5) 5**,5*=6, 5=5, maths 5**,5*=3, 5=2 ...

Wow. Well done. Ha ha.]\

nintendo

cow 發表於 15-11-30 15:48
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Yes, I am talking about conditional offer of 29 marks. End up the student got  ...

講清楚的好。
最怕有 D 人真係以為咁著數， 29 分入到大學。

hogwarts

原帖由 cow 於 15-11-30 發表
問題係有的學生無財力讀DSE以外的課程, 而DSE要中英３又太死板，學生無得揀．有的Ｕ謀的系又亂咁收non-jupa ...

真是不能同意更多了！

poonseelai

原帖由 cow 於 15-11-30 發表
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Yes, I am talking about conditional offer of 29 marks. End up the student got  ...

conditional offer 越低, 越代表大学想收這個学生, oxford law typical conditional offer is IB 38, 但如学生 predicted grade 只有 38, 机会基本是零

ANChan59

原帖由 nintendo 於 15-11-30 發表
Wow. Well done. Ha ha.]

Apple to orange comparison.

Best of 5 vs six subjects + bonus.

nintendo

poonseelai 發表於 15-11-30 17:07
conditional offer 越低, 越代表大学想收這個学生, oxford law typical conditional offer is IB 38, 但如 ...

香港學生，係唔明 conditional offer 點 work。
其實 PG 越高，condition 可以越低。
朋友個仔 PG 41， 有 conditional offer 係科科合格就得，即 4 x 6 = 24 分。
有 D 人聽一半，就以為等於 24 分就收。

唉，講 D 告講 D，害死好多人。

nintendo

ANChan59 發表於 15-11-30 17:23
Apple to orange comparison.

Best of 5 vs six subjects + bonus.

是但啦。
其實我地仔女入晒大學，對我地冇影響，
但有時怕其他人誤會，以為 29 分可以入 HK 的大學 ，
講真，29 分去到外國都好難入到似樣的大學 ，有的二缐都要 33-34 ，HK 點可能收 29 分？

daisychan

nintendo 發表於 15-11-30 18:10
是但啦。
其實我地仔女入晒大學，對我地冇影響，
但有時怕其他人誤會，以為 29 分可以入 HK 的大學 ，

之唔係，有啲人故意以偏概全，等一些不知情人仕仲以為IB真係好着數，好易入本地大學熱門學系。

NoahArk

I know a boy who applied to HKU law with 43 IB points. The university made a conditional offer of 37. Obviously HKU liked him but he went to Durham instead (smart boy). Some of his classmates applying with 40 and 41 did not get an interview. The point is: although 37 looks easy, those applying need 41+ to have a chance of getting shortlisted.