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Perfect Pitch問題

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13588
發表於 13-10-21 16:00 |顯示全部帖子
想請問有perfect pitch的朋友,你們是怎樣去identify一個聽到的音?事緣是,囡囡有perfect pitch,有時同佢玩,會彈音比佢估,但一d超過佢平時彈琴,violin的音域也聽得出,我一向以為perfect pitch是聽了個音之後記了下來,究竟是怎樣work的我完全不能理解,仲比佢笑,「乜你聽唔出咩?!」

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發表於 13-10-21 17:27 |顯示全部帖子
特異功能!
我無呀,所以和妳一樣
for every one criticism, three positives must be given.

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發表於 13-10-21 19:09 |顯示全部帖子
本帖最後由 btrue 於 13-10-23 08:20 編輯

搞錯了...
United we stand, divided we fall.

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發表於 13-10-21 21:21 |顯示全部帖子
有的人也是不明白自己如何聽到的吧?

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發表於 13-10-22 07:24 |顯示全部帖子
Perfect pitch是無需輔助就能把音聽出,例如我弹個D,佢一聽就知那是D,無需我先彈個C比佢去數個D出來。大多是天生的。

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3477
發表於 13-10-22 11:28 |顯示全部帖子
請問大家...

我仔在3,4歲時, cover his eye, 我彈幾個音佢聽, 佢又真係可以聽到晒 d 音, 彈番俾我聽的, 到而家9歲, 佢聽管弦樂團奏既歌, 佢就知道是那一種樂器奏出, 學 scale, 好快上手, 知道晒自己有沒有吹錯 (他學圓號), 咁樣佢係咪叫做 perfect pitch ??  如果係 perfect pitch, 對小朋友學樂器有什麼得著呢 ? 應該再怎樣培養呢 ?


因為我不懂音樂, 請各位多多指教
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發表於 13-10-22 12:03 |顯示全部帖子
金毛B媽 發表於 13-10-22 11:28
請問大家...

我仔在3,4歲時, cover his eye, 我彈幾個音佢聽, 佢又真係可以聽到晒 d 音, 彈番俾我聽的, 到 ...
perfect pitch 我覺得有好有唔好,如果太執著於自己default o個個pitch,ensemble 時會好痛苦。認識一些有perfect pitch的孩子學transposing instrument都學得比較辛苦,因為眼看一個音,耳聽又一個音。可以肯定的是你兒子聽力很好,我覺得鼓勵佢聽o個時可以聽下唔同instruments的線條,有時我仔會自己默出來

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發表於 13-10-22 12:21 |顯示全部帖子
回復 stinkyrabbit111 的帖子

very interesting ....
可唔可以幫大家問下你囡囡, 佢聽一D超過平時彈琴的音域時,需唔需要go through一個mental process, 由一個平時常用的音推斷出去? 還是完全不需要?   
如是後者,未用過的音, 唔需要任何推斷出去都知道係咩音 (特異功能!), 咁可唔可以extend this logic, , 只要天生perfect pitch,未學過音樂都知道係咩音?!?!
我好想知道,每一個音在腦裏都是獨立記憶嗎?

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發表於 13-10-22 14:18 |顯示全部帖子

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不需思考,就可準確説出音名。



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發表於 13-10-22 14:36 |顯示全部帖子
回復 marcuscyrus 的帖子

什麼叫 transposing instrument 呀 ?
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發表於 13-10-22 20:37 |顯示全部帖子
回復 creamsicle 的帖子

囡囡就係唔需要,所以我覺得奇怪,究竟點知?

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發表於 13-10-22 22:09 |顯示全部帖子
本帖最後由 bebebe12345 於 13-10-22 22:10 編輯

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對囡囡來說是正常和自然的事、人人都應該跟她一樣聽得出的!
上次她說琴走音......哈哈!
似乎有機會被她欺負!她一定知道自己走音但就當沒事發生過!



獨樂樂 - 自己聽音樂
眾樂樂 - 大家都快樂
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發表於 13-10-23 09:09 |顯示全部帖子
對我黎講, MARY HAD A LITTLE LAMB永遠都係mrdrmmm, 但對我女黎講就唔係
老師話, 其實每一個音都可以做d, 所以你o係個琴邊一度開始, 都可以彈到mrdrmmm, 但對我女呢d perfect pitch黎講, 佢係聽到sfmfsss, 或者fmrmfff, 所以而家老師教歌, 兩個係唱埋晒d怪歌 (老師都係perfect pitch), 係佢地至聽得明
點解會發現, 係我女準備第一次考琴試, 考aural, 有一part係考官彈, 學生唱, 咁老師就練習: this is the chord: dms(彈, 即用某個音做d), 咁呢個係咩音呀....f(彈), 跟住發現我女係聽唔出果個係f, 而係聽到另一個音, 咁老師知佢係固定調, 教法亦調整左

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發表於 13-10-23 10:45 |顯示全部帖子
回復 bebebe12345 的帖子

所以咪好大問題, 我隻耳好差, 聽唔出, 以前考AURAL係我弱項, 同呀囡練VIOLIN, 我開埋PIANO對音都唔係好聽到囡囡走音, 要開TUNER先得, 不過又唔WORK, 唔通吓吓望住TUNER咩囡囡明明聽到自己走音又唔多理, 求其交功課, 頭都大.....  

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發表於 13-10-23 10:53 |顯示全部帖子
本帖最後由 stinkyrabbit111 於 13-10-23 10:53 編輯

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佢係唔洗諗的, 我問佢點解知D音, 囡囡話唔知點解, 不過一樣野係, D少D機會彈的SHARP, FLAT, 佢就唔多識EXTRAPOLATE, 其他熟D的音佢可能用腦一D音去EXTRAPOLATE...

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發表於 13-10-23 11:07 |顯示全部帖子
我曾聽香港電台音樂欣賞節目講者話,其實拉小提琴時,有時會因應首歌的流向而音會偏高或偏低。但只是偏少少,maybe less than a quarter tone. 話咁樣比絕對音準更好聽。 表表者是Kriesler.

我只是聽佢咁講咋,唔知係咪真的。
for every one criticism, three positives must be given.

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發表於 13-10-23 11:22 |顯示全部帖子
lillymarie 發表於 13-10-23 11:07
我曾聽香港電台音樂欣賞節目講者話,其實拉小提琴時,有時會因應首歌的流向而音會偏高或偏低。但只是偏少少 ...
this would make the music more convincing!!  read a book before named音樂老師的謊言,sthg like that i just forget its exact name.  It discussed the harmony by ear rather than by interval, very interesting!

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發表於 13-10-23 11:30 |顯示全部帖子
Charlotte_mom 發表於 13-10-23 09:09
對我黎講, MARY HAD A LITTLE LAMB永遠都係mrdrmmm, 但對我女黎講就唔係
老師話, 其實每一個音都可以做d,  ...
ur daughter's case maybe due to her concept of fixed do but not necessarily perfect pitch.i have students using fixed do in sight singing n found it difficult to sing in movable do but she isnt perfect pitch.  on the other hand, a person having perfect pitch will not necessarily use fixed do as his or her preference in singing.  my son can do both without much difficulties.  perfect pitched ppl can just tell after hearing without quite manipulating what is being heard.  when my son was 3-4, he once heard a sound from tv commercial n asked me, mom how can i play that note?  its somewhere between f# n g?  at that time he only played the piano n percussion.  

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發表於 13-10-23 11:41 |顯示全部帖子
你個仔好叻
我個女係邊種, 我都唔識分, 總之老師攪得掂佢就好 (都係果句, 學左咁多年仲學緊, 我已經覺得贏左)

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發表於 13-10-23 11:49 |顯示全部帖子
Charlotte_mom 發表於 13-10-23 11:41
你個仔好叻
我個女係邊種, 我都唔識分, 總之老師攪得掂佢就好 (都係果句, 學左咁多年仲學緊, 我已 ...
not really ging.  pitching is just one very minor factor in musical learning!!it took quite sometime for him to adjust actually.  so for me perfect pitch or not the key to sucess.  one of my students, perfect pitched, but the boy is very scientific kind, not very expressive.  if asked to tell the feeling n style after listening to music, he will classify only as happy n unhappy but no more.  so his pitch didnt enhance his learning much