No more Cat 1 and Cat 2 for ESF admission!

cppc20

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Correct me if I am wrong.   As far as I know,

Category One
Children who speak English as a first or alternative language but do not speak Cantonese and/or read and write Chinese characters.

As such, even though a kid can speak fluent English no matter what race he/she is, he/she will be in Cat two if he/ she does speak Cantonese.  

It is so pity that some Cantonese-speaking parants might deliberately prevent their kids from learning Cantonese in order to fit into Cat One.   

alpham0m

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I am not going to correct anyone in a forum as we are all entitled to our own view and interpretation. I agree with you that some parents had to prevent their kids form learning their mother tongue. Very sad indeed.

kfy

It seems that most ESF schools will eventually run on the model of RC.
I think that it would be a good news to those parents that would like their kids to learn better Chinese, as they may now allow their kids to start learning (or exposure) at a younger age. It would also be good to ESF as well, as they will be in a better position to compete with other IS such as CIS, CDNIS and SIS in terms of bilingual education.

Mom2One

"Even with 20% increase, the fee is still at the low side comparing to other international school."

Actually is only lower in strictly monetary terms. When you factor in the class size (30 kids instead of the 20-25 children in other international schools), then it is debatable whether it really is "value for money"

Shrimpiggy

cat 1/2 is discrimination but assessment of English level is the discretion of the guidelines followed by the interviewee. it can be more ambiguous.

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新人王

原帖由 cppc20 於 13-02-04 發表
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Correct me if I am wrong.   As far as I know,

Whether the child can speak Cantonese or not is not the main point, the most important thing ESF wants to make sure is that the child can communicate with English freely. There are many children who can speak fluently both Cantonese and English were admitted by ESF as I know. It's very likely they will reject a child who does not react or converse in English during the interview. And it's for the good of the future study too because it would be very difficult for the child to catch up in the primary study.

WYmom

The chairman said in the news that as it takes them a lot of work to verify the cat 1 information, they decide to do away with categories and rather look at the actual English proficiency of applicants and the parents' profile.  So this can eliminate those 'fake' cat 1.

manfatcentre

原帖由 ramen 於 13-02-04 發表
alpham0m,

Both your statements are so right ---> "港英餘孽壽終正寢。" & "有教無類已成歷史，精英教育 ...

agree..仲話家長要英文勁。最好in 埋。唔知果d菲媽，非英語既西，法，意人点算

poonseelai

New business opportunity: interview class for parents!😁

Esf may reposition their kindergarten to be a feeder school for other IS as well.

Mom2One

21Ckid 發表於 13-2-4 11:41
2013 entry into ESF kinder would get the best of all. Interview priority just after siblings (as no  ...

That may be true in terms of getting the interview letter. But since the actual interview process has changed to what appears to be a more rigorous process (including a parent interview), who knows whether there will be the same high success rate for those with interview letter for confirmed spots.

alpham0m

剛剛看英文台新聞看到一個新角度，英基可能想借此機會拋開港英餘孽的包袱，再攤開手掌向狼英政府多拿幾年補貼。純屬個人揣測，飯後娛樂。請不要找我辯論，或是說服任何人，因為那樣好累。

Choisumwong

I think ESF is facing the reality that English standard has dropped rapidly for past few years, wich severly affects teaching and academic level. I know many talented students left to study in UK. To be more competitive, ESF has made correct decision.

filicity

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完全同意,因為近呢幾年收既新生英文水準都好唔得,大部份收哂ESF糼稚園既學生,連讀WOODLAND既小朋友大部份都冇得IN,而且我亦遇過D家長D英文都................

Maoku

原帖由 filicity 於 13-02-04 發表
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完全同意,因為近呢幾年收既新生英文水準都好唔得,大部份收哂ESF糼稚園既學生,連 ...

7成係香港PR，何來有咁多Cat1，有邏輯都知好多人扮Cat1，結果搞到啲真係有需要嘅真Cat1冇位。英基個CEO仲話好難check，淨係信張表格所填嘅嘢而定優先次序，簡直係行政失當，有違謹慎原則。我所見啲所謂Cat1十個有七個啲父母講嘅都係流利港式英文，啲細路點會係入唔到主流教育系統吖。ESF have not done the thing right at the outset, even thou' the original categorization policy may be the right thing to do!

umom

Well, ESF is in the process of hiring a new CEO. Perhaps no one knows what sort of reformations will be taken place when the new CEO comes on board.


I guess ESF might have realized that those who "pretend" to be the CAT1 and prevent their kids from learning Chinese tend to be coming from the families with "poor English. These parents  thought they get higher chance putting their foot to the door, but at the end of the day they are incapable of helping their kids survive through the English medium schooling!

While there are many parents with bilingual kids speaking native like English but also fluent Chinese tend to be "more honest" to tick the CAT2 box.

do123alex

Maoku 發表於 13-2-4 23:23
7成係香港PR，何來有咁多Cat1，有邏輯都知好多人扮Cat1，結果搞到啲真係有需要嘅真Cat1冇位。英基個CEO仲話 ...

Yes and No.  PR does not necessarily mean local.  Expatriates families staying in HK for over 7 years with HKID would also consider themselves PR.   

c200

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I agreed with you ,maybe this is the main reason why Esf changes the new policy.

polyu4537

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Agree with u !!!!

cppc20

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As in the Cat 1 & 2 policy, speaking Cantonese or not is very important for the admission of interview.   ESF is on the right track now to emphasis on English only.   I was wondering if it is so easy for Cat 2 kids (speaking both fluent Cantonese and English) to get into ESF.   

dtwy

隨此外，改了之後便可以吸納更多強勁國家的人來彌補將來沒有了資助的日子。^_^