2013 升中（屯門）討論區

antia

原帖由 ricky太 於 12-12-16 發表
antia : 係呀! 雖然校長話想100%入大學,我唔知做唔做得到,但校長有咁嘅心同又話請專人返學校為成績差嘅同學 ...

他們真的很熱誠！不過唔好講咁多，唔糸我地入讀的機會很渺茫！

ricky太

係呀,係呀!

hongkeikei

sumheima 發表於 12-12-16 16:40
本帖最後由 sumheima 於 12-4-29 03:08 編輯

hi sumheima,

明白妳為何感到心灰意冷,因為這討論已不是公平表達意見的平台。有人以討論屯門區的中學為藉口,刻意多次攻擊馬可賓中學。若是不同意見的表達,為何每次要點名批評馬中呢?討論的焦點應該是廣泛的,而不是說來說去,又是要抨擊馬中的成績不及屯門四大。

我不知道怎樣才算是違反版規被禁言。若有人刻意用2/3個不同身份(使用多於一部電子主產品作註冊,已可輕易辨到),引述的數據和言詞極相似,不斷在討論中針對某一學校,舉報也是徒然。我不相信學校有這麼大的負引力,可同時凝聚3位同聲同氣,又同樣對馬中懷有極大恨意的人士聚集一起先後作批評！

若個人不同的意見表達需要被尊重,一間學校的聲譽就不需被尊重嗎?我認為刻意多次對其他學校的中傷和針對,已應受到譴責或禁言!


alice.2007 發表於 12-9-11 21:46

''中六超過200人，90人入 U 是包括自資學位，例如明愛、明德、東華、恆管或遙距[/url]課程的 degree，實際 ...
我在這段文字中是沒有說過這個成績是''好''或''差''，只不過在你地心中已有''差''的概念，才會誤會別人的說話啫!

此校又不是甚麼名校，區外人都未必聽過此校名，至於在區內對其它學校都唔會有威脅力，況且升大學是睇成績不是睇學生來自甚麼學校....

.你們這樣極權唔比人發表意見，盞會嚇親想讀此校學生家長或低年級家長，令人誤會此校
    所有家長都是蠻不講理、毫無知識呢!




本帖最後由 mirage 於 12-12-16 18:45 編輯

定係公開試成績還是在band2/band3的馬中驚收唔夠band one生。三百人扣門又如何，如果三百個大都是band two生去扣，能反映那 間中學好勁嗎？你估睇戰狼三百咩。有好學生，都要老師有經驗教出好學生才行。馬中有份見得人的公開試成績才叫人地band one 生揀佢la,

原帖由 BABA124 於 11-11-25 19:33 發表
Makopan is not a good school. Teachers spend all their time in promoting the school. The schools use a lot of strategies to push up the passing rate in public exam, like asking students to drop their  ...
BABA124 發表於 11-12-24 08:33
馬可賓推銷技巧高明，教育界人士一睇所謂5班就明咩事。

BABA124

Do you know why I delete all the messages, it is because I think it is not an open forum anymore, no freedom of speech here anymore, whenever there is some messages judging Makopan, the parents are so sensitive and over-reactive. I am sure mirage and alice are not the same as me, you can ask the admin to check!  I just don't want the parents make the wrong choices, it is unfair to Tin Ka Ping and Tam Pak Yu, other 2nd tier band one schools as well.  I just don't want the parents here misled by those stupid comments.  Of course, to some band 2/3 students, makopan should be a good choice, but why a band one student need to take the risk? Because of the promotion of the school? You all always mention it is unfair to compare Makopan with big 4 academic results, if a school cannot get band one public exam results, why can it accept band one students? A school should be bright enough to change band 2 students to band one students to make it upgrades, if band two students just got band two results, i cannot see why it is that successful.  I am the same as mirage and alice, don't want the child lose, the parents here usually only have one or two children...anyway, i don't want to talk about makopan anymore, it is not my cup of tea, i don't hate this school. I just don't appreciate the school. I don't want to change the focus of this topic anymore.

mirage

我近半年才開始在ek留言，無故被人中傷。根本有些馬中家長就技窮，就去抹黑其他講出真相的家長。

mirage

小時候 發表於 12-12-16 10:43
有誤導成份我哋就有責任出聲啦！你哋成日攞馬中數據同四大比較，大佬，馬中只得14年歷史，今年考文憑試嗰班 ...

Actually, it is other parent said MCB DSE result is around band2/3 level. I just follow.

shirley329

大家可否心平氣和點. 其實參觀了幾間中校, 我見他們校長都會訂下目標, 例如有些說不是同屯門中學比較, 是會同全港以及同全新世界比較作目標, 有些是以幾多學生入大學做目標. 只是我們家長將這些中學以多方面來作出比較用作排位及衡量選校的其中一方式, 其實中學校學長都叫家長向自己小學查詢邊間中學較適合小朋友.

hongkeikei

BABA124 發表於 12-12-17 07:59
Do you know why I delete all the messages, it is because I think it is not an open forum anymore, no ...

就馬可賓的近年的HKCEE&DSE成績,BAND 1學生選擇了入讀有什麼問題?你個人覺得她最近的公開試成績不及屯門四大中學就只應該收取band 2/3的學生?其他band 1學生的家長若選擇此校是被誤導,是錯誤?你這樣的言論已不是分享,在法律上已足以構成誹謗!

你的錯謬包括:
(1) 馬可賓無可置疑現已是全港其中一間政府核准以英語授課的津貼中學,也是最早通過微調於2010年開設全(5班)英文班的中學之一。想問全港有那間英中(直資中學因教學言語有自決權,所以不計其內),是不配收band 1學生,只應收取band 2/3的學生?!!以屯門區為例,按成績田中,譚中仍不及四大,更不要說兩間屯官的成績不在馬中之上,mirage及alice.2007有提議band 1學生選屯官;為何單是馬可賓不配收取BAND 1學生?分明是一派胡言。

(2)你知道政府批准中中(馬可賓於1997年創校,無可能於當時成為香港母語教育下,申請成為百多間英文津校之一)的準則嗎?
學校於申請前連續數年必須能收取每班不少於85%全港前置成績40%的學生,才能達標。
微調後,馬可賓每年都收取99%以上band 1 學生。女兒2年前升中時,也是band 1學生,她身邊的同學有來自屯門各間小學,最多是蒙恩、鄭任安、何日東等等(我不熟悉屯門小學,女兒是來自元朗區的英小)。

(3)馬可賓中學的公開試成績不斷進步,若參考khmama之前的學校成績分類,馬中被定為band 1c學校。首屆DSE學校最被你們攻擊的英文科四級或上的只有25%,但其餘科目例如今屆最多人失手的中文科,四級或以上有48%。學校公佈成績表明只屬中上:進入各大學修讀各類課程(包括學士,副學士,高級文憑)佔96%;進入各大學修讀學位課程人數超過90人。
最重要是學校最近被教育局評鑑整體學生成績表現是正增值。知道什麼是正增值嗎?可參考Chichipapa的網頁分析。
簡單而言:一間學校若當初收取了band1學生而6年後取了band2的成績是負增值,band1學生考取了band1成績是保值,那麼正增值是學生考取超越了比自己當時初評定的級別。
這樣,BABA124之前所批評入讀馬中的學生會被'遺害'的說法能否成立呢!!

最後,我想表明由始到終,我或一些曾在此留言的馬可賓家長都沒有如有人所說吹噓學校的成績,誤導其他家長。大家可自行詳閱所有留言,相反我們多次表明學校只在進步中,仍須努力,完全無跟現時的屯門四大中學成績相比。(不過,我要表明,個人而言,選校我不會單以成績為全部的考慮)
每次都是有人藉故將馬中與四大相比,然後再以冷嘲熱諷地攻擊學校的成績和否定學校師生過去的努力。馬中的家長才忍不住為學校發聲。

我從來覺得討論應以事論事,當中涉及對其他學校的個人觀感,如無實事支持,只屬你個人取向和觀感。不應亦不能將一己之感無限制地散播。因這樣已構成中傷或抵毀之嫌！若這地方再不管制和正視這些事情,我也會離開,不再浪費時間。

BABA124

回復 hongkeikei 的帖子

Surely, I know what value-added is about! Do you know it is much more easy for a band 2/3 school to have positive value-added than those band one school? That's why those band one school will not mention about value-added, but only those band 2/3 schools will tell the value-added to the others. When I choose schools for my child, I would choose schools with good public exam results instead of those with good value-added. Just try to look around to see the banners of those band 3 schools, many of them have level 9 value-added!
Do you know why we don't recommend band one child to choose makopan? We are not saying Makopan is bad, there is just no evidence it can teach band one child well! There is no track record! But for two government schools, Tin Ka Ping and Tam Pak Yiu, they all have very good track record. You also mention it is a CMI before, are you sure the teachers can teach students in EMI well? Also, after they change to EMI, will the school's public exam results become worsen? Do you know it is much more difficult for the children to use english in public exam than chinese?

I know parents of Makopan must be very care about how the others view their child's school. I understand the feeling, but we are rationally pointing out the weakness of the school! I think in open forum, both pros and cons of the school need to be pointed out, otherwise, what's the point of discussion. We are judging different schools with objective facts. You can argue and of course point out the problems of using those data. If those parents just saying the teachers and principal there are paying great efforts, etc. I don't think the points are strong enough.

Of course, you may take your child's future in risk, you may get fruitful results 6 years later, but to me, i don't take that risk.

小時候

hongkeikei 發表於 12-12-17 15:54
就馬可賓的近年的HKCEE&DSE成績,BAND 1學生選擇了入讀有什麼問題?你個人覺得她最近的公開試成績不及屯門四 ...

算啦，同呢班人講多都嘥氣！

yinyinBB

shirley329 發表於 12-12-17 13:38
大家可否心平氣和點. 其實參觀了幾間中校, 我見他們校長都會訂下目標, 例如有些說不是同屯門中學 ...

停啦! 可以嗎?
好又講過, 衰又講過, 夠啦! 相信大部分發言嘅人都係家長或老師, 做個好榜樣給小朋友好嗎?

mirage

四大再加譚中及田中，邊間有分精英班而沒有補底，麻煩告了。我同其他會員只建議家長如果是band 1尾band two 頭邊緣人，最好報有往積可尋的中學，咁就被人話抹黑同單單打打。與其沈醉於老師及校長們的感染力，不如替小孩搵好的英文及通識科補習。

yinyinBB

shirley329 發表於 12-12-16 15:54
雖然我小朋友不是band one 頭，但我今天都有去Lkk參觀.學校話會面試晒所有入表的學生,但我覺得學生要有過関 ...

樓主, 我小朋友係Band 1中, 而家都煩緊, 經過幾個星期中學opening day, 你有諗定未呀?有無咩心德分享吓?

miumiu313

回復 3BBs 的帖子

有, 劉金龍有英國文學, 兩班.

shirley329

唉！其實而家小朋友讀書真係辛苦，因間間中學都講明會谷！所以真是向小朋講等佢知道同有份選擇，費事將來讀得辛苦賴你。而且初中小朋友又踏入青春期，所以我會𧗽量自己小朋友性格及中學校風作重點！

mirage

屯天在校內發展報告中在2013 to 2014 開國教科，家長們多一考慮點

JoJo

每一間學校也會有好及不好的一面, 希望討論區是由用家去分享該校, 並非由非用家者不停作出評激.

在提及馬可賓中學的相關標題, 已有相同的會員作出個人見解,

如於相關討論帖中, 重覆又重覆的回覆. 會否給予人有刻意評激之感, 那對現有真正的用家公平嗎?

因現在此討論已跟違標題不符, 現將此關上.

亦懇請會員能理性討論, 如發現再作出惡意中傷/抹黑, 管理員會將會員禁言, 以作懲戒, 敬請注意!