IB一條龍的迷思

clara1477

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lui

manstap 發表於 12-11-6 13:32
剛剛完成了一個關於國際文憑課程（IB）的專題報道，一直以為自己當了五年IB家長，理應對這題目手到拿來， ...

多謝你的分享.你沒有當局者迷,非常可喜.
我小女兒剛1歲,大女10歲.

我們一直就小女是否讀國際學校作資料搜集.原本沒有理會IB不IB.

還差點想大女也轉讀IB學校.他現在那所是行IBDP.心想想銜接好應找間有MYP的.

最近認識了一位教育工作者,在討論選什麼國際學校時,他不認同MYP/PYP.

說根基不好,要在外補習,那刻把我嚇倒.國際學校學費不平,還在外補這補那.

還不如走回傳統?IB補習費也不平.我再與其他家長討論,結果如你所說,根基危危乎.

而且很多學校是新辦,老師數目及經驗是關鍵.

說到這裡,我唯有多做功課,再看看情況如何.

HKTHK

For me, the attractiveness of IB is not just the degree and getting a good score.  It is also its way of learning through inquiry.  For a student who went to a local school and then switches over to IBDP, can one still pick up inquiry-based learning?  Is it too late?  Or is there an appropriate age at which such switch should happen?

ANChan59

You can review HKUGA from IB approach to NSS, and DBS, LPCUWC from local curriculum to IBDP. CSS from MYP to IBDP.

No fixed path.

HKTHK

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Unfortunately, I don't know any students at those schools who are close to the IB DP stage.  Anyone has experience transitioning a child from a local school to an IB secondary school?

Even for CIS, I think they accept a number of students from local schools as well.  At their information session, they said only about 40% of the graduating class started from Grade 1 and went straight through.

shadeslayer

原帖由 ANChan59 於 12-11-06 發表
You can review HKUGA from IB approach to NSS, and DBS, LPCUWC from local curriculum to IBDP. CSS fro ...

There are ESF schools and other schools doing GCSE before IBDP.  They seem to be fine too.

ANChan59

shadeslayer 發表於 12-11-6 17:31
There are ESF schools and other schools doing GCSE before IBDP.  They seem to be fine too.

Agree, I can't see only IB has critical thinking this type of attributes.

shadeslayer

ANChan59 發表於 12-11-6 19:54
Agree, I can't see only IB has critical thinking this type of attributes.

One reason many International schools do GSCE instead of MYP is that (I think) GCSE is a public exam and expats parents want to be flexible so kids can move on to A-levels after GCSE, or follow IBDP if they choose to.

DonaldTsang

樓主的分享非常好，非常感謝，因為我也為我Bb在想這問題，未有這答案前，我也是迷惑的！

yaulinda

一八十後Canadian born Chinese 同事，具IB出身的優點：好奇心重、肯學肯問、見識也廣，可是也讓我親身體會到IB的確有根底唔扎實的可能性。（我只識這一個是IB畢業而已，未必代表其他IB學生）

HKTHK

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Can you go into a bit more detail on why you think the foundation is not as strong?  What are the things that make you think that?  And do you find that a large short-coming?

shadeslayer

yaulinda 發表於 12-11-6 22:53
一八十後Canadian born Chinese 同事，具IB出身的優點：好奇心重、肯學肯問、見識也廣，可是也讓我親身體會 ...

IBDP may be less useful for professional degrees, medicine, law, etc.

yaulinda

的確中了你所列職業其一

clara1477

原帖由 HKTHK 於 12-11-06 發表
For me, the attractiveness of IB is not just the degree and getting a good score.  It is also its wa ...

呢D都係我心中疑問。

yaulinda

1：請舉例指出同一問題，會有那些可行方案--) 答得很好。
2：請詳細說明某某方法，詳盡運用步驟如何--) 答得不好。
不知是人的問題，還是課程的問題。
(據我所知，她的成績相當好，但是個人原因，我不特別喜歡她，這或引致我的觀點具偏見）

poonseelai

I discussed brieflly a couple of days ago this topic with the principal of my daughters' school.  He said no matter one takes GSCE or MYP, there will still be a big gap with IBDP.  The reason is that IBDP is really really difficult.  One of the advantages of MYP is that the assessment criterion used is the same as that of IBDP, and therefore there is no need for students to take time to adapt to a new system.

One area of MYP that I like is the emphasis on reflection.  Students are required to reflect on projects/homework completed.  It helps them to reflect on stuff that they have done well and that needs improvement.  

licpd

isnt IB MYP or PYP is a structure not a curriculum? ie, it is simply a structure around which to build school's curriculum.  If the curriculum in a IB school is lacking academic rigour then that might be the fault of the school not neccesarily the IB program itself? There are IS around the world where students have good IB results and the students come throught its own MYP not IGCSE

poonseelai

licpd 發表於 12-11-7 01:12
isnt IB MYP or PYP is a structure not a curriculum? ie, it is simply a structure around which to bui ...

I think you are right.  MYP has external moderation to check whether the school is on the right track.  There is no moderation in PYP, so my daughter's school let the students attend the International School Assessment to have sort of a benchmark for reference.

In interpreting the IB results, perhaps one should also consider whether a school let all their students take IBDP.  In my daughter's school, as long as the students pass MYP (ie get at least 28 points out of 56) they can progress to IBDP.  Students who are marginally below the pass mark may do IBDP but they know they have to work extremely hard.  I heard of cases where such students do make lots and lots of progress in a short period of time.  

I believe every system has its own pros and cons.  It is important for students to try to make the best out of the system they choose.  As a PYP and MYP parent for 8 eights, I am still learning how to work together with my daughters.

Babybaby2011

原帖由 DonaldTsang 於 12-11-06 發表
樓主的分享非常好，非常感謝，因為我也為我Bb在想這問題，未有這答案前，我也是迷惑的！



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I have the same thinking too!  Thanks for sharing!