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發表於 12-8-14 16:55 |只看該作者
学校是知識承傳的地方。
考核成果不計分数怎分辨?那知進度?
分數是基本要求!那是到校学習的目的。除此外别的如体育音樂德育也不可忽视。
但主事不谈,成绩不说。光看老師的学厝、校長的演说……你信吗?光说爱心行吗?能言襄孩子上大学吗?
我們没有有色眼金竟,只是凡事有优次吧了。為甚麽不能比較、排序?大学年年有

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發表於 12-8-14 17:03 |只看該作者
酒店有星级、能源交力益也分级……教育不能?看看国内也有分级。重点中学大学……是国家说明的!

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mrsjacky 發表於 12-7-26 15:49
學生你自己揀過度過,教學法你自己有自主權,教科書你自己話晒事,經費你又有,家長又個個都中產背景,成績點講都應該要有返咁上下至合理。
佢地教學係無自主權, 校長試過谷過, 深過, 可惜被一眾中產背景家長狂插投訴, 佢地係學校大老闆, 攪到學校唔敢比壓力學生, 自主權最終落在班中產背景家長。 可能來年班學生質素會高些, 谷些深些都無人會投訴, 咁就正式自主啦。

學校講明開心學習, 家長亦期望開心無壓力, 雙方配合, 天衣無縫。  咁想公開成績都係合理。

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chumamma 發表於 12-8-20 01:13
佢地教學係無自主權, 校長試過谷過, 深過, 可惜被一眾中產背景家長狂插投訴, 佢地係學校大老闆, 攪到學校唔 ...

學校打從第一日已標榜開心學習的話,谷黎做乜鬼,盞自討沒趣!

相反學校打正旗號是深、是谷、學生家長沒好日子過的,有共同理念,有相同目標的才好來。可惜的是這種學校少,這種家長更少!
:verycold: :verycold: :verycold:

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發表於 12-8-23 14:01 |只看該作者
abcd0001 發表於 12-8-14 13:10
不是求分數 是小道理
不衹是求分數 是大道理
Very interesting!!

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發表於 12-8-23 14:18 |只看該作者
说白点分数不是一切
但不能不理、不問、随缘……

和錢的道理一般!不能没有,也不可盲目追求成績。

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發表於 12-8-23 18:29 |只看該作者
abcd0001 發表於 12-8-23 14:18
说白点分数不是一切
但不能不理、不問、随缘……

Well said.  This is the wisdom of Chinese, "should not over-done or under-done" (sorry, I can't type Chinese). [Chung Yeung Gee Dou]

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發表於 12-8-23 22:34 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 mrsjacky 於 12-8-23 22:39 編輯
chumamma 發表於 12-8-20 01:13
佢地教學係無自主權, 校長試過谷過, 深過, 可惜被一眾中產背景家長狂插投訴, 佢地係學校大老闆, 攪到學校唔 ...

我自己對開心學習既理念好半信半疑,除非所謂開心只係口號,實際都係讀過你死我活,否則我覺得讀書呢回事,多多少少都要下d苦工,唔同去旅行,唔係用開心唔開心黎標榜(但我意思唔係話讀書=唔開心)。我好想知高舉呢枝旗既學校,最終成績會點樣。坦白講,如果成績超好的話,我真係有d妒忌,話晒我地都真係眠乾睡濕咁讀返黎,我會唔抵得囉....

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發表於 12-8-23 22:35 |只看該作者
martie 發表於 12-8-23 18:29
Well said.  This is the wisdom of Chinese, "should not over-done or under-done" (sorry, I can't typ ...

中庸之道﹖

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martie  You are smart!!  發表於 12-8-23 23:10

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mrsjacky 發表於 12-8-23 22:34
我自己對開心學習既理念好半信半疑,除非所謂開心只係口號,實際都係讀過你死我活,否則我覺得讀書呢回事 ...

It's easy to say but not as easy to accomplish.  It's prefect if kids are interested and happy in what they do.  At least, you don't have to be so pushy.  But, how to get their interest for studying is by no mean easy.  I guess there is a hurdle kids need to get over before they can really enjoy studying, especially in Hongkong where teachers are more than often very picky and show a general lack of encouragement.

I know a girl, she is really smart.  Many teachers hated her coz she caused lots of trouble, and usually liked to challenge them with weired questions.  This lasted for some years during the early primary school. The girl and her teachers all suffered.  Teachers have bad headaches teaching her, and the girl's life in school has never been easy as teachers punished her so often.  Until one school year when two of her teachers were very patient and their intelligences (both IQ and EQ) could well accommodate this girl.  Within this very special year, this girl had turned from a troublesome and typical-teacher-like-to-hate pupil into a humble, enthusiastic, self-motivated girl.  She improved in all aspects in studying and behaviour.  She moved up to one of the top students in the form in that year, and continued to excel in later years. She was then offered a place in a very elite DSS School.  

There is a happy ending of this story.  The girl has the luck to meet those good teachers and got over this particular hurdle.  However, there are different hurdles to different kids.  In this particular case, just imagine what if the girl did not have the chance meeting the GOOD teachers.  More than probably she would have become a villant student and showing no interest in studying, coz to her, the reward of studying is punishment.  I think lucks do come so easily, and that is why many kids have not got over their own hurdles and be one of the so called "good student".

Sorry to side track from the subject matter.  But the point I want to make is there are hurdles to all kids, only lucky ones can get over them and be able to studying happily and with good results. Hope as parents, we can be able to help during the process.

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發表於 12-8-24 12:33 |只看該作者
回復 martie 的帖子

I guess the case you described happened in a local school.
開心學習
is a product of self-motivated learning rather than a goal itself.
Learning should be fun starting from the very beginning when the baby tries to explore the world around it.
It is when one-way teaching which replaces self-motivated learning of the small child which renders learning no longer as
開心 as before.
The smart girl was considered to be troublesome by merely asking her teachers ‘weird’ questions.
It’s typical one-way teaching (or better known as spoon-feeding) and the same will not happen in inquiry-based learning.
Besides the issue of
開心學習, one-way teaching will affect the development of the child’s brain which in turn will adversely affect his/her learning.
This vicious cycle loops repeatedly until the child has lost his/her intrinsic interests in learning and the ability to think critically and independently.

Students from local schools can still obtain good results in HKALE/HKDSE by working hard enough and the good results can still sustain for some of them in their undergraduate studies.
However, the further they pursue their studies in the next level, the fewer of them can sustain the good results as they have been previously constrained in thinking critically and barred from inquisitive learning earlier on.

The above is not just theoretical, including 開心學習, and it actually happens in quality schools providing inquisitive learning, though usually charging a substantial fee in the absence of Government funding.

Last but not least, the following (partial) table of 2012 IB DP results from Hong Kong shows that inquisitive learning and開心學習 (re: comparatively speaking as preparation for IB DP exam is no easy job though the atmosphere is more relax in the earlier PYP and MYP stages) can still lead to good results:

http://www.hket.com/store/IMAGE/HKET/2012/201208/20120821/HKET20120821LA01ATL.jpg

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發表於 12-8-25 01:31 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 martie 於 12-8-25 01:35 編輯
slamai 發表於 12-8-24 12:33
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I guess the case you described happened in a local school.

You're right.  This case happened in a traditional girls' primary school.

開心學習 is good, but it does not always come with good academic results.  HK's educational system + Chinese culture do not fit with 開心學習 quite well.  Hongkongeses look for efficiency and effectiveness, they are result oriented; but 開心學習 needs lots of time to cultivate interest in it.  And, achievement in academic results don't come within months or few years.  That is what you said overseas students usually excel and outperform HK students in the longer term, maybe at postgraduate level.  I just can't imagine how many HK parents have the patience for it.  They simply want their kids to study hard continuously for a couple of weeks and go into examination hall, then come out of the hall with straight As, or now A**s.    Cultivating interest + 開心學習 may just take too long in the eyes of HK people.

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Chowwy  "Risk-taker" is not so encouraged in HK educational system.  發表於 12-8-25 10:29
Chowwy  agree no more. I discovered that Hong Kong graduates have the ability of "problem-solving" but not so "creative." Because, they are so afraid of making "mistakes."  發表於 12-8-25 10:28

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引用:+本帖最後由+martie+於+12-8-25+01:35+編輯

原帖由 martie 於 12-08-25 發表
本帖最後由 martie 於 12-8-25 01:35 編輯
Bravo!!! I think the main point is the majority have no idea what will happen next and where are we now.



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引用:+本帖最後由+martie+於+12-8-25+01:35+編輯

原帖由 martie 於 12-08-25 發表
本帖最後由 martie 於 12-8-25 01:35 編輯
我當年揀愉快學習,其實好大原因,係覺得自己填鴨左十幾年,入到大學至發現原來「學習」根本吾係果一回事。學習係要自主,融會貫通,消化左再用自己文字/方式present, 至叫做學習,吾係spoon feed吾係鬥背書。可惜學你話齋,o係一個exam-oriented既世界,好多家長認知吾係咁



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回覆:Charlotte_mom 的帖子

妳覺得最適合的平衡點是如何? 愉快學習 vs 成績為本。



God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

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引用:妳覺得最適合的平衡點是如何?+愉快學習+vs+

原帖由 ANChan59 於 12-08-26 發表
妳覺得最適合的平衡點是如何? 愉快學習 vs 成績為本。
我目標好簡單^ ^,吾需要最top, 但要good enough去得到一張「入場券」(愉快學習,都要有要求架,而家無degree點搵食呀)。就算將來出黎社會做事,拎住個咩degree都只係影響starting point, 仲有好多方面會影響個人成就



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引用:Quote:原帖由+ANChan59+於+12-08-26+發表妳

原帖由 Charlotte_mom 於 12-08-26 發表
我目標好簡單^ ^,吾需要最top, 但要good enough去得到一張「入場券」(愉快學習,都要有要求架,而家無deg ...
呀,補充一句,我絕對讚成,受谷、對自己有要求、學術型既小朋友,係可以考慮傳統果條路,就如魚得水。不錯有d人吾係呢款(例如我果d), 5歲人仔考小一,我連女拔都無去,費事入到都吾fit in到,盞攪



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回復 Charlotte_mom 的帖子

如果入埸券是入到大學,而不論學系,難度是可接受。只要估算到12%(因為18%包括非聯招學額)的大約成績作目標,再看看各科的合格及優良率,然後專攻2-3科就搞定。
不知道有多少家長跟妳想法接近,如果數目不少,最後都要競爭入學。似乎逃不了!!
God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

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Charlotte_mom 發表於 12-8-26 12:03
呀,補充一句,我絕對讚成,受谷、對自己有要求、學術型既小朋友,係可以考慮傳統果條路,就如魚得水。不錯 ...
12年前我跟妳一樣心態,及後發現他的潛能,一切不一樣。
God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

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引用:Quote:Charlotte_mom+發表於+12-8-26+12:03

原帖由 ANChan59 於 12-08-26 發表
12年前我跟妳一樣心態,及後發現他的潛能,一切不一樣。
我都希望早日發現到我兩位「未來社會棟樑」既潛能



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