盲從愉快學習 埋沒學生潛能（梁亦華）

idy926

我都同意，睇書係有用的，我女最愛magic school bus series，愛到係學校睇都吾夠，要我成套訂添，不過都睇完又番睇，又係時候添書，你講嘅書，magic tree有睇，其他都好似幾有趣，等我問下佢like吾like先。由細到大，吾少書陪佢成長，但一年幾百本，緊係無咁勁啦！
請敎你，如小朋友遇上不懂的字，老師說跳過它，但我又覺得不能這樣，在家和她看書，我會要她查字典，但這樣又真的好像很防礙，其實什麼方法較好？

不過我話轉校，只係一次同亞女提起佢嘅學習態度，想佢積極d，吾好掛住玩，睇多d書，如果下下要人迫先溫習，就吾適合讀黎類學校，其實學校理念我係認同，但都要睇埋小朋友配吾配合的.

原帖由 pingoj 於 11-9-23 09:50 發表


我知道你是那間學校，建議你利用時間，用盡所有方法，讓小孩大量閱讀，我看見過上年的二年級生到暑假時已看完My weird school 系列， Magic tree houce，Flat Stanley系列 以及其它同類型的書，一年里也看了幾百本書。你一日還 ...

[ 本帖最後由 idy926 於 11-9-23 11:52 編輯 ]

pingoj

原帖由 idy926 於 11-9-23 11:36 發表
我都同意，睇書係有用的，我女最愛magic school bus series，愛到係學校睇都吾夠，要我成套訂添，不過都睇完又番睇，又係時候添書，你講嘅書，magic tree有睇，其他都好似幾有趣，等我問下佢like吾like先。由細到大，吾少書陪佢成長，但一年 ...

凡事適可而止，個字不懂就不明白整句的，她又不抗拒，就查啰，不然就跳過去，千萬不要變成規矩去遵守，那就痛苦了。
很不好意思，說得自己像專家似的，其實我們很差，共勉之！

TiTiTiTi

原帖由 eviepa 於 11-9-18 21:51 發表


TiTiTiTi,

咁你就要認識我喇，我叫eviepa，我個女Evie享臻美讀左六年，然後轉入傳統學校。由臻美至到現在這間學校，我都貫徹「愉快學習/無壓力學習/不關心名次+快樂成長」。我享BK鼓吹愉快學習多年，我到今日仍然慶幸我既選 ...

咁就真心恭喜你勒！
但問題系，要家長大大力配合，以彌補學校既不足。
好似閣下咁有魄力、時間培育孩子，
令人既羨慕又慚愧。
一般家長，尤其雙職的，又或者家庭教育能力有限公司的......又如何配合呢？
所以先話呢種系【理想】既教育方法。
快樂，有邊個唔想吖？最好有愉快工作添。

eviepa

TiTiTiTi,

謝謝你的恭喜。

我的方法，主要是沒有甚麼人覺得可行，而不是時間不足、料子不足。

//一般家長，尤其雙職的，又或者家庭教育能力有限公司的......又如何配合呢？//

1. 我是個爸爸，白天要上班，下了班才可以教女，我幾乎戒絕看電視，夜間很少應酬。如果覺得孩子很重要，如果覺得和孩子一起很愉快，放棄其他娛樂是個理性選擇。

2. 如果自己學養不足，為何不找外援？一般家長喜歡掏腰包請大學生為子女補習，而內容多為做功課、做練習、串生字、溫習等沉悶活動。但為何補習老師不能伴讀？不能做一些既愉快又有效的教育活動？一般家長都覺得傳統的、沉悶的活動才有效，所以有這個選擇而已。但你知不知道，在BK裡，有很多家長，用快樂閱讀去做出非凡的效果出來？事實上，最近有一個家長就表明用補習老師伴讀而取得很好的成果了。

讀臻美這類學校，如果在家中有大量中英文閱讀，則無論中英文、思考能力的培養都會不錯。問題是家長信不信這一套，而不是有沒有能力的問題。

godsend

totally agree~~

原帖由 tyaprilho 於 11-9-20 11:57 發表
見到這麽多學者在爭辯「愉快學習和傳统學習」的優劣:各持己見,刀光劍影!容我這個學歷不高的媽媽說兩句吧!我的大女兒(F.1)是P.1-P.3就讀愉快學習的小學.4-P.6就讀傳统學校的,現在她就讀區內Band 1A的中學。
在女兒 ...

motherotk

原帖由 tyaprilho 於 11-9-20 11:57 發表
在女兒的學習過程中,我體會到了解子女的學習能力十分重要!在傳统的學校中,女兒同樣覺得很快樂,因為她有面對困難的勇氣,在逆境中能求生,不再是温室中的小花!我很欣賞這樣的女兒!小兒(P.3)一開始就在傳统學校就讀,成績優異。雖然常向我投訴老師惡,但他一點也不怕。他知道只要做得好便會被老師稱讚,每天都說很開心。

Totally Agree. Parents should be flexible and attentive to understand specific learning needs of their individual kid.

I have two kids, one in DSS with traditional curriculum and teaching, one in IB type of teaching. Both are good for them. Personally I prefer IB type if the teachers are good and curriculum are well designed. That will be a wonderful training for a kid's life long learning habit.

I think the one in traditional school can also been fitting  into IB (refer to my case, but IB is too expensive now in HK), and probably get a more extensive benefit than the traditional ways of teaching, but the other way round is not possilbe, the kid (only suit for IB, not traditional school) will be dying if put into the traditional mode. So, I would rather to spend more money to preven the kid dying (emotionally and cognitively) in the duck feeding without theorietical support mde of learning!

motherotk

愉快學習,無功課,無默書,無測考

Not true..

The facts are :
愉快學習
1) The curriculum is well designed according to education and child development as well as lingustic learning theories. The learning is not duck feeding, but still learn everyday according to the developmental needs of kids. My child benefit from this kind of learning: build up volcarbury day after days gradually in both Chinese and English, love readings and writings, so still happy and confident, why not?

無功課無默書
2) That's not true, the homework is well deisgned, not tons of homework without rationale, following the learning curriclum, writing, dictations and all kinds of exercise, but not threatening the kids and parents. Kids handle these homework with confidence and that's solid learning, not remember the words, not the meanings, what's that useful for?

無測考

That's not true, they do not have exams, but have onging assessments, I like this very much as the kids learn day by day with solid ground, not pushing themselves into exam and only learn about exam materials., a better way to learn in terms of attitudes. Definitely benefitial to life long learning.

Charlotte_mom

其實你對愉快學習認識幾多呢..........邊一間愉快學習既學校=無功課,無默書,無測考? 國際學校都唔會啦!

原帖由 長生不老 於 11-10-10 06:46 PM 發表
我就反對愉快學習,無功課,無默書,無測考,小學6年積壓幾多嘢唔識,就算寫個中文啊,都要寫過默過記過先牢固架.你地話呢?

motherotk

Two contrasting philosophy of learning, simply say that:

Asian types of learning (Chinese, Taiwan, Singapore, Japan, Korean etc...)
Vs
Western types of learning (Europe, North American etc..)

Both have advantages and disadvantages due to cultural issues. Some people may combine two.

Personally, I have no absolute answers. I think the basic philosophy is they learn things up to their cognitive level (some kids quicker, some slower), they feel learning meaningful to them, understand what they have learned, and their self-esteem been maintained, their sense of self is good, their curiosity being maintained. Irrespective which ways of learning, whatever ways works  for the kid, then chose the ways.

Kind of resist the thinking that there is an absolute ways of learning!
Learning can be diverse, creative and match to parents and kids individually!

A creative mother put in traditional mode= dying of energy

A traditional mother put in IB type of learning mode=always anxious over uncertainties of learning.

A creative child or a cognitively less developed child put in traditional mode=destroy the child's eargerness and own ways of learning or the child will be always dreaming or dying of self-esteem.

A very high IQ child put in a too relax learning environment= the child is not satisfied with his/her learning desire=bored about learning

catcatmom

以前的臻美是沒有讓學生考TSA, 這點是肯定的. 只係回應這點. 愉快學習與傳統教學, 各有各好.

原帖由 Charlotte_mom 於 11-9-19 13:53 發表
真係唔知邊個一知半解
連基本愉快學習中持續評估, 課程設計等元素都唔懂分析的話, 請唔好侮辱愉快學習制度下辛勤工作既老師, 亦唔好侮辱揀呢類學校家長既智慧
愉快學習既學校, 一樣要做TSA, 一樣要做CR,  ...

[ 本帖最後由 catcatmom 於 11-10-20 14:40 編輯 ]

1234ats

Excellent analysis.

The ideal way to educate is to tailor made a flexible curriculum for each individual since everyone is different.
Of course it is quite impossible in reality but this should be the direction we should aim at.

And there should be many ways to 愉快学习 effectively and efficiently.

In fact education should be very diversified in order to cultivate each kid's full potential.

Like in many other asian countries, our traditional system serves two objectives, to educate as well as to differentiate the students into "good" and "bad" categories.

In our system we focus too much on the latter by compromising the former.

People very often forget to evaluate what the purpose of each homework or test is and how are they beneficial to the kids.

I find too many kids do not operate their brains at all while doing homework and rarely you see this problem is addressed.

So what is the point of doing homework?

[ 本帖最後由 1234ats 於 11-10-12 21:53 編輯 ]

TiTiTiTi

原帖由 catcatmom 於 11-10-12 01:57 發表
以前的臻美是沒有讓學生考TSA, 這點是肯定的. 只係回應這點. 愉快學習與傳統教學, 各有各好.

沒有讓學生考TSA定系無操TSA先？
我很多年前去過做TSA口語評核wor，去到竟然無老師接應，我同另外3個評核員等左一輪，就夠鐘先有校內老師黎。所以我對呢間學校印象都幾深。

eviepa

臻美沒有考TSA

catcatmom

TiTiTiTi

當年我路過這校既討論區, 應該係差不多移手前一排, 有些現存家長同d已離校家長係度"拗", 問點解學校唔考政府提供的TSA.
係google 打"臻美" 拒絕考TSA, 就check到INFO. 係梁校長時期這校係無考TSA的.

原帖由 TiTiTiTi 於 11-10-16 17:00 發表


沒有讓學生考TSA定系無操TSA先？
我很多年前去過做TSA口語評核wor，去到竟然無老師接應，我同另外3個評核員等左一輪，就夠鐘先有校內老師黎。所以我對呢間學校印象都幾深。 ...

[ 本帖最後由 catcatmom 於 11-10-20 15:02 編輯 ]