派不到M1 或M2數

cow

A Physicist, a Biologist, and a Statistician see two people enter an empty house, and then after some time, they see three people leave the house.

The Physicist concludes, "My initial observation must have been incorrect."

The Biologist concludes, "Clearly, the two reproduced..."

The Statistician concludes, "Well, if one more person enters the house, then there will be no-one in the house!"

雙儿

What's wrong with you two? Why do you keep focusing on the absolute difficulty of the questions despite my repeated clarification what I mean by "easy"? Everyone knows maths is less complex and less advanced than additional maths, including dumb sheung yi. You don't need to repeat that, again and again. What I need from you both is some sort of statistical proof that it is more difficult to get a good grade in additional maths, given equal ability in maths and equal preparation for the exams. What I said "arguably", it means "it can be argued". Cow's 6% A in additional maths and 3.4% A in maths is prima facie the basis that maths can be argued as more difficult. But of course we all know we have to discount the % for additional maths as the average additional maths candidate is more maths capable. How much should we discount, I don't know. I'm simply not certain which paper is more difficult. Cow, work harder, prove for us. When you want to say other people are wrong, challenge their basis, challenge their deduction, but don't just keep saying they are wrong.

What I say here is actually from my daughter as I said my exam days are long gone. Her original words are more or less like this: 附加數多數係翻抄，勤力啲做past papers 就得；數學section B題目有啲創意，難準備啲，真係對數學要有啲感覺至得。

Girls at HKCEE level are generally more hardworking, although at the top end boys perform far better than girls in additional maths (we expect that, don't we?), girls have a higher passing rate than boys in additional maths (88.9% vs 86.8% in 2010 again) This supports what she says. Moreover, the A% in maths is comparable with other major science subjects like physics, chemistry and biology; are these subjects then all "very, very easy". Mind your logic, guys. Cow, work out the problem for us, please.

Cow, your statement that all your classmates passed additional maths does not support your assertion that additional maths is the more difficult paper, does it?

[ 本帖最後由 雙儿 於 11-8-1 17:52 編輯 ]

cow

雙儿,

You are absolutely correct that A.Maths is more (absolute) difficult does not means it's more difficult to get a good grade than Mahts. But I have told you the truth that A.Maths is also more difficult to get a good grade than Maths because most people taking A.Maths are good in Maths but almost all students take Maths.

I have told you the fact of my classmates already - 3/4 got A in Maths and less than 1/2 got A in A.Maths...all got A-C in Maths but not all could in A.Maths.

Here are the solid figures I know:
Maths (A), A.Maths(A)
Maths (A),A.Maths(C)
Maths (B), A.Maths (D)
Maths (C), A.Maths (D)
Maths (C), A. Maths (D or below)
Maths (E), A. Maths (failed)

Usually one will have higher grade in A.Maths than in Maths is:
Maths (B), A.Maths (A)
due to careless.

Plesae share your real figures if you do have. If you don't have, please do some researches.

snowbell

原帖由 ANChan59 於 11-7-25 10:27 發表


For clarification only, 8 subjects - Core Maths & M1/M2 as one subject or two.

If my son stayed in NSS, he might take Chinese, English, Maths (Core + M2 = 1), LS, Chemsitry, Physics, and Economics. ...

我將Maths的Core和M1/M2分為兩科,  日後文憑試Core 一個分, M1/M2一個分.

雙儿

原帖由 cow 於 11-7-25 14:36 發表
雙儿,

You are absolutely correct that A.Maths is more (absolute) difficult does not means it's more difficult to get a good grade than Mahts. But I have told you the truth that A.Maths is also more d ...

Cow,

Work harder and don't just use your class statistics.

Actually, I've just found the proof, not very vigorous though. It should be good enough. It is in your favour. However, I'll allow you some time to work it out yourself.

snowbell

原帖由 mio8390 於 11-7-25 11:01 發表
政府規定第八科一定不可是學術科(例如是 : 音樂或體育.....等等)因為新高中學制是比以前高中深，所以政府不見意學太多科目。
M1和M2不是每間學校都是由中四開始，因為課程比較深，所以有些學校在中五時才開始M1與M2課程。
...

文憑試的分科和教學進度間間學校都不同，所以家長了解兒女學校的安排，在選科上會好些.

考幾多科都是學校決定，我將個別計分當一科,  總共有8項分數.   Maths core, M1/M2 當兩科.

ANChan59

原帖由 snowbell 於 11-7-25 15:03 發表
我將Maths的Core和M1/M2分為兩科,  日後文憑試Core 一個分, M1/M2一個分.

Thanks, some schools will take it as two subjects.

I always refer to UCAS, as they consider core as part 1, and M1, M2 as part 2. Without M1/M2, you will only have half the tariff.

cow

雙儿,

fyi
From school web site:
St Bonaventure College & High School
2006 HKCEE result
Passing rate of Maths and A.Maths
Class C (85.71, 26.32)
Class D (100%, 81.4%)

Hearsay:
XX敎育中心數學主任吳Sir
- 聖XX英文書院前數學教師；
- 其任敎之2010年會考班45人中, 全部學生數學科成績均獲C級或以上, 半數以上更取得A級, 而附加數學也有半數獲A級佳績

[ 本帖最後由 cow 於 11-7-25 16:37 編輯 ]

mio8390

據我所知，政府的資料是combine Science是一科，Math + M1/M2都是一科來計，所以第八科一定是音樂；體育.....等等非學術科目，不會有超過八科的學生，也不會有十優生出現，像現時高教沒有十優生。

原帖由 snowbell 於 11-7-25 15:15 發表


文憑試的分科和教學進度間間學校都不同，所以家長了解兒女學校的安排，在選科上會好些.

考幾多科都是學校決定，我將個別計分當一科,  總共有8項分數.   Maths core, M1/M2 當兩科. ...

雙儿

原帖由 cow 於 11-7-25 15:23 發表

2006 HKCEE result
Passing rate of Maths and A.Maths
Class C (85.71, 26.32)
Class D (100%, 81.4%)

Cow

Class C is a joke and greatly at odds with overall statistics. The boys were a bunch of lazy bones.

其任敎之2010年會考班45人中, 全部學生數學科成績均獲C級或以上, 半數以上更取得A級, 而附加數學也有半數獲A級佳績

This hardly supports your assertion as well.

Work harder. Use overall statistics. The problem is not just to deal with the fact that the additional maths students are more maths capable, but also the complication that since they are taking additional maths, naturally they are better prepared for maths as well.

I'll give me one more day.

[ 本帖最後由 雙儿 於 11-7-25 18:21 編輯 ]

snowbell

原帖由 mio8390 於 11-7-25 15:42 發表
據我所知，政府的資料是combine Science是一科，Math + M1/M2都是一科來計，所以第八科一定是音樂；體育.....等等非學術科目，不會有超過八科的學生，也不會有十優生出現，像現時高教沒有十優生。

...

Maths 的Core, M1/M2撥為同一個核心科目, 所以當一科, 考試會將Core一份Paper, M1/M2另外一份Paper.

假設將來有個超人學生考Chinese, Eng, Math Core, Math M2, LS, Phy, Chem, Bio, French全部考到優,
這算8優定9優?

如果考Maths core + M1/M2, 比一份考試費定比兩份考試費?

mio8390

如果他咁計combine Science都變成兩科，將會就有機會有十優生囉。

原帖由 snowbell 於 11-7-25 20:40 發表


Maths 的Core, M1/M2撥為同一個核心科目, 所以當一科, 考試會將Core一份Paper, M1/M2另外一份Paper.

假設將來有個超人學生考Chinese, Eng, Math Core, Math M2, LS, Phy, Chem, Bio, French全部考到優,
這算8優定 ...

khmama524

hi, cow,

Please check pm.

雙儿

Cow

本想show啲計算，証明你係啱嘅，但俾老公一睇，就睇到大錯特錯嘅地方，搞到我冇心機繼續計，但有兩點可告訴你。

你以為學生同時考additional maths 及 maths時， additional maths 會高一個grade，呢個肯定係錯嘅。用番2010數字，考到 additional maths A or B grade 嘅有3523人，比maths A grade 嘅3035人重要多，換句話說，就算non-additional maths 考生冇人 maths 考到Ａ都唔得。

2. 如果考慮另一方向，若假設考生 additional maths 及 maths 同grade，在maths 考生中扣除additional maths考生後，餘下的non-additional maths考生成績分佈是A:3.9%，A-B:11.3%，A-C:26.1%，A-D:37.8%，A-E：53.5%，又唔算高，唔可以講唔合理，特別係A-C及A-E嘅百分比絕大科目都低，如果maths明顯較易高grade，我們應看到明顯較高的百分比，事實並不如此。

可能男女分佈有明顯差異，如你列舉的男校簡直不知所謂。

[ 本帖最後由 雙儿 於 11-7-28 19:45 編輯 ]

Viman

Hi,

我亞囝都選讀Phy + econ , 至於M1 or M2, 要F4時 ｍａｔｈｓ ok 才可在F5 選修:D
因此可以看下成績才決定...

原帖由 ZZdaphne 於 11-7-20 16:29 發表


選科已落實了, 只是怕女兒應付唔到....

會讀Phy + M1

見其他家長分享, 有點擔心已矣....

cow

原帖由 雙儿 於 11-7-28 19:35 發表
你以為學生同時考additional maths 及 maths時， additional maths 會高一個grade，呢個肯定係錯嘅。用番2010數字，考到 additional maths A or B grade 嘅有3523人，比maths A grade 嘅3035人重要多，換句話說，就算non-additional maths 考生冇人 maths 考到Ａ都唔得。

學生同時考A.Maths及Maths, Maths唔一定高一個grade. 有D學生A.Maths有A,但Maths只有B. 對Maths好但不小心好的學生，A.Maths是比較易拿A。

但一班學生同時考A.Maths及Maths, 整體Maths拿A會比A.Maths拿A多，Maths拿A－Ｃ會比A.Maths拿A－Ｃ多。

ZZdaphne

原帖由 Viman 於 11-7-28 23:08 發表
Hi,

我亞囝都選讀Phy + econ , 至於M1 or M2, 要F4時 ｍａｔｈｓ ok 才可在F5 選修:D
因此可以看下成績才決定...

我女間學校F.4已經選定,要開始讀啦...

你仔仔F.4選修2科,
我女3科+M1,
好驚佢唔拈....

[ 本帖最後由 ZZdaphne 於 11-7-28 23:41 編輯 ]

mio8390

所以有學生讀到中五時要求讀少一科。

原帖由 ZZdaphne 於 11-7-28 23:38 發表


我女間學校F.4已經選定,要開始讀啦...

你仔仔F.4選修2科,
我女3科+M1,
好驚佢唔拈....mouth:" />

LittleKidult

出左分科結果, phy, chem, bio, + M?

eviepa

雙兒/cow：

我當年理科班的所有同學都修A Maths。他們當中，Modern Maths取A的有15人，其他的都是B或C。至於A Maths，則有幾個A，拿D、E的也有一些。這個格局不止我的一屆，前後幾屆也大概如此。數字上較支持cow的說法，A Maths無論在課程深度以及取好成績，均比Modern Maths難。