名校教了我什麼 — 女校生的反思

KK07

Ha! I think I am quite stupid to understand the real intention of those people asking 'which school your kid is studying in?'  For me, it's probably as simple as 'where do you live?', 'how many brothers and sisters do you have?' or 'do you like to watch 義海豪情?'  Anyway, interpretation is quite personal and I can't say you are correct or not.
I do like that article you share with us.  That is exactly what I always want to point out - elite schools do not necessarily equal to good schools.  However, it's a fact that they sometimes do help to build up some good culture for kids' development.  Believe me, every single young man / woman has certain degree of 自傲when he /she is a fresh gratuade from good schools. But some days later, they will understand that there is 一山還有一山高, no matter one is graduated from HKU or MIT; from elite schools or normal schools.  When that day comes, it's called 'mature'........

原帖由 cherubic 於 10-12-7 22:59 發表
Indeed this is what I observe.  When I meet a parent in whatever occasion, after mingling for a while (maximum 5 minutes), the question asked will be 'which school your kid is studying in?').  Think a ...

motherotk

I love this author!! I did not feel offended. I echo her experiences as from my own experiences as receiving my years of education in "elite schools" in HK.
This author only point out her own experience, she does not say that she represents all other parents' realities or situations..
Everybody can share their own experience as long as this is their own "reality" , it's still ok. The world is making up with multiple realities and nobody is able to claim their "authority" over others.
The open discussion here is good because all of your points are valid to a certain extend...as long as we are sharing our own "realities" ...
My friend used to teach in an "elite" school, and now she is in a research position researching the educational experiences of kids in elite schools, with special attention to how the "elite" schools formulate the "pefectionist culture" and how the "perfectionist culture" affecting kid's educational achievement in the long run...I think this is a really interesting and valid issue to discuss and remind me a lot in child rearing and parenting...
From her educational experiences, a lots of kids were facing lots of developmental and educational barriers with this kind of "perfectionist" style of living and the "elite schools" are cultivating this kind of culture...because of this culture, some kids are excluded and isolated from the learning opportunities as developmentally they cannot meet this kind of "perfections"..
From a mental health perspective, this could be not healthy in the long run if this kind of "perfectionist" life style persist in their life without "awakening" or other new life experiences....

juliancy

It's elite students that make a school elite, not the other way round.  There are band 5 students who become elite, and students from so-called elite schools who turn out to be losers.

It leads to the fundamental question about a reasonable expectation of schooling.  Learning is ultimately a private activity.  One must learn by oneself.  If you think good schools offer better help in this process than poor schools, then you have to realize the biggest help actually comes from families and tuition courses.  And elite schools are not necessarily good schools.  

The chase for a place in elite schools should be clearly defined as a pure pursuit of "brand", to make CV appear nicer.  That's it.  The truth remains that, a brand doesn't prove us; rather it's we who shall prove the brand.  The same applies to people who aspire to luxury products from top brands, or men.women who care to dress smartly.  The real challenge comes from how they act and what they speak.

[ 本帖最後由 juliancy 於 10-12-8 12:00 編輯 ]

nataliepsc

大概作者只是想抒發一下屈住多年的心結, 不過我認同, 如果佢讀唔到呢間名校, 生活都唔會見得好d, 眼界亦唔會闊d...所以應該感恩多過怨, 佢講既呢間修女學校 (我估係st paul convent或 marymount, 唔係spcc), 正正係我想我兩個女可以入到既學校喎..入到就好了!
我都係所謂名校中學出身, 但並唔係咩elite school, 係官校黎啫, 不過係同區與隔離區都好多人想入既一間, 同學中多數都唔係有錢人, 所以從來無受過白眼, 你問我, 我又絕對覺得名校有佢既優點喎:
語言培訓好: 雖然o個時讀官校, 但F.1&F.2都有兩個英文老師, 一個教文法, 一個教寫作及閱讀理解; 語言係需要由細浸大, 愈多exposure, 自然發音和運用起來的流暢程度和自信心都高好多, 大家工作都知, 能說得一口北方口音流利的普通話, 和純正的英式口音或lur晒既美式英語, 無論你是否言之有物, 其他人都即時細心聆聽; 見過一d其實好醒目既人, 但一講普通話或英文就即刻變左個人, 未必係佢地真係表達唔到, 但信心即刻少晒可能令佢地更辭不達意.
學習風氣好: 就算唔係好緊張讀書既人, 臨考試時都可能因為見到身邊個個都刨緊書, 唔讀唔得, 對自己會有點要求
考卷出得深: 好唔好見人見智, 有d人會覺得會影響學生自信, 但我自己f.5第一次做past paper時好愕然原來老師平日d卷比公開試d問題深好多同"陰濕"好多, 感覺應付公開試比較得心應手
最後, 我覺得讀名校是否會讓人自卑純粹視乎個人價值觀同想法, 我去完朋友既大宅會羨慕而唔會返到屋企覺得自卑到前所未有; 我成世都未玩過netball都好想試下係點玩; 我d中學同學唔少都o係事業上有d發展(梗係同elite schools既畢業生都有分別)但我地會大家齊齊開心慶幸現在所有; 我中學時期都會覺得英文朗誦&英文辨論隊班同學d英文真係好好聽而多d留意佢地, 中文(當時係廣東話)辨論因為係母語感覺需要少dd練習都唔奇, 普通話要練埋發音又梗係會緊張少少; 所以作者提及的不平現象並非真係好不平, 亦非名校問題而是社會現象, 最少佢間學校容許"平民"做head girl, 你睇下各大私人, 政府及半政府機構既阿頭會唔會請無background無人脈既人做?  學校只是社會的縮影, 早點開開眼界知道世界如此都未嘗不是一件好事

nataliepsc

況且, 好耐無見既朋友, 問下做緊咩都係好正常既事; 至於自己小朋友點樣, 讀緊邊間學校, 唔否認有少少人係為左炫耀, 但大部份既媽咪又點可以忍住唔提自己小朋友呢? 如果唔係就唔會有bk啦...

Yukyuk

Thanks for sharing.

artroboy

good point~!

KK07

clear, logical and interesting presentation.  不愧為名校生!

swmami

swmami

原帖由 MadonnaHK 於 10-12-8 10:12 發表

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我在反思的解釋可能未能全面, 希望有家長可以補充.

對作者的文章, 我沒有反感, 因她看到的必定不是名校或她自己學校的事實之全部, 很多只是她的個人感受, 是主觀的, 我認為她的反思是校方的東西 ...

swmami

如有興趣的話，願與您們分享另一篇明報文章。裡面提到的亦是他個人的遭偶和看法，不盡是所有地方都會有人認同，但當中提及到的也有值得我們深思的地方。
集思廣益，實在無須太執着吧！

http://happypama.mingpao.com/cfm/relation3.cfm?File=20080706/cela/oaa1.txt

陳智思不愛小圈子教學

文章日期：2008年7月6日

【明報專訊】別以為行政會議成員兼港區人大代表陳智思的一生一帆風順，原來他曾有過極不愉快的經歷，令他不大信任傳統名校的教學方法，他甚至捨棄本地官商名流愛把孩子安插入傳統名校的做法，安排大仔入讀非常平民化但充滿愛心的小學，他希望「兒子對香港更有歸屬感，更認同香港的價值觀」。

「陳智思！你中英數成績是五級、三級和五級（按當時的升中制度，五級是僅僅及格，一級為最高）中文與算術都不濟，你注定沒有前途！」1977年最後一屆升中試放榜當天，一間傳統名校的班主任，當全班同學面前刻薄斥喝學生陳智思，大罵他沒前途，當天的 「傷害」仍斧鑿在他的腦內，終生揮之不去……自稱當年全班40人，成績排尾幾的陳智思，回憶當日被老師打擊得體無完膚時，還一面自我安慰地想：「是老師的激將法？」一面作出中肯結論：「抑或是根本沒有愛心？」

寧選平民學校

升中試後，他戰戰兢兢地進入了一間普通中學，同學間的競爭雖遠不及以前，但正因如此，他反而愈讀愈好，重拾尊嚴信心，對中學懷感恩之心：「若當年硬頭皮繼續升讀名校，成績包尾，何來自信？」童年「陰影」令他不再信任名校教學，也不願「禍延」下一代。

陳智思的太太是新加坡人，許多人都以為他們會把孩子送進國際學校，但事實卻不，身為虔誠基督徒的太太，替8歲的大仔Brandon選了西營盤具基督教背景的救恩學校，原因是喜歡學校的老師充滿愛心。而爸爸亦覺得，讀國際學校會令孩子活在小圈子中。「Brandon不在名校讀書，即是不會在小圈子內成長。他不會覺得太辛苦，而且是開心的。他會在一個現實世界中成長，對香港更有歸屬感，更認同香港的價值觀。」爸爸認為，入讀本地學校是讓小朋友接觸現實世界的最好方法。

細仔升小不念幼園

如今，大仔已順利升讀小學，5歲的細仔Bradley則沒有念幼稚園，現正接受媽媽的home schooling（在家教育），「其實大仔自小都在家中接受太太的home schooling，到了K2的年紀才念幼稚園。」他說太太較緊兒子學業，尤其是對明年即將入讀小一的細仔在家中進行「單對單」的教育，他非常體諒太太的付出，「她那份精神壓力不足為外人道」。

表面看來，爸爸在家中的付出不及媽媽的多，但其實，每當談到孩子的學業大計，即使媽媽是最後「話事人」，爸爸仍然為這個家付出不少，好像未替大仔選定學校前，他曾向好友查問哪間學校好？哪間適合孩子？他甚至和太太駕車，四出到不同學校作site visit（實地考察），陳智思甚至說：「有很多地方，我自己以前根本未曾去過。」這些地方包括鑽石山的音樂小學，還有觀塘的學校區。

不給囝囝空頭支票

這個忙爸爸，早前宣布無意再參選立法會，好讓自己多騰出時間陪伴家人：「將來星期三（立法會每周例會日期）應會空閒一點了。」他每周至少有3至4晚為家庭活動；星期六分別與兩個兒子有個多小時的溝通相處；周五定會與太太一起。他打趣說：「我父親的一代常想掙錢，我現在為兒子所做的，已勝過我爸爸的逾百倍。不能否認的是，給予家庭愈多時間，對家人愈好。」

忙碌的陳智思更重視父子談話的質素，認為做爸爸的，絕不能順口開河：「與他們說話不能敷衍和隨便承諾，因他們會牢記的，可能對我來說是小事一椿，對他們來說卻是大事，我不能兌現的，會對他們造成傷害，這令我有很大壓力……奈何男人有時說話，總會衝動了一點。」

他學乖了，再不輕易向兒子許下承諾，而是經過深思熟慮和語言「包裝」，先降低兒子的期望，到真的做到了，就作為給兒子額外的驚喜。

15分鐘駕車親子

每天早上，他亦把握接載兒子上學的15分鐘車程，太太叮囑他要善用這段時間，讓兒子得到裨益：「在車內也不能信口開河，每次要根據兒子的程度，跟他談常識及歷史等，有時，我亦會跟他講道理，我了解我的每一句說話，對他都是意義重大的，絕不能說錯。不過很多事情，總是知易行難，你既然教導了他，自己就一定要辦到，即是隨時要改變自己，這也可令我更了解自己。」

升中時的不遂意經歷，以及在美國升讀大學後，患上血管收縮症，令陳智思從主修經濟轉為藝術……看透人生得失的他，望身後自己在六七年前的畫作說：「世事難料，世界變得太快，就算今日傳授兒子的知識，將來也未必合用。唯有愛心及人格的培養最重要，它們會是兩個兒子的終身財富。」

採訪：李劍昌、陳詠詩

tamm

He (陳智思) has his choice to choose whatever he thinks it's best for his kids but I don't follow his  logic
名校 = 小圈子
國際學校 = 小圈子
本地學校 = 不是小圈子
He drives his son to school which is in a very local neighbourhood.  What is he trying to acheive?

原帖由 swmami 於 10-12-9 01:58 發表
如有興趣的話，願與您們分享另一篇明報文章。裡面提到的亦是他個人的遭偶和看法，不盡是所有地方都會有人認同，但當中提及到的也有值得我們深思的地方。
集思廣益，實在無須太執着吧！

http://happypama.mingpao.com/cfm/rela ...

swmami

我想問我們「二千後」的一代又會怎樣呢？

鏗鏘集 - 台上台下一齣戲

八十後往往被社會標籤為急進。

買樓、結婚、生仔、創業…，總希望在三十歲前一併實現；現實處境的荒謬，是年青人急進，還是社會環境催化而成？飛帆是八十後年青一代編劇，決定用戲劇，去反映這一個年代的荒誕與迷思；舞台下，飛帆經歷著同樣的處境，人生如戲，竟是如此的活生生！

八十後一代往往被社會標籤為不濟。

自視過高，容易灰心，卻捱不了苦頭，是社會欠缺機會抑或是上一代的教導出現問題？振東是戲劇教育工作者，用戲劇技巧提升一班９０後學生的自信和技能，抗衡社會只重成績，製造了高學歷但低智能的一代；振東的兒子準備報讀小學，大環境的氣候悄悄地吹襲他們的家庭 … 。

http://programme.rthk.hk/rthk/tv/programme.php?name=tv/hkcc&d=2010-12-06&p=858&e=&m=episode

tsobaba

大家都係名校畢業，一個係HeadGirl，一個係排尾幾，文章嘅質素已經反影咗。