名校的迷思

jdhwangmom

我會安排他們在"傳統名校"接受敎育, 我亦是從"傳統名校"敎出來的學生, 眼見大部分同學的出路也不錯, 有自己的目標; 因為校方除必定會看重敎育質數外, 也會修練學生的德行, 而其他同學的家長應比較看顧孩子的發展, 所以作為家長的我, 也希望自己的子女可以得到一樣或更好的培養.
至於, 本人在名次方面, 在學校裡, 我雖然只是中等, 但老師亦發掘了我的潛能, 讓我在藝術科發展, 參加國際比賽, 得了獎項, 敎我知道方向, 相信這是重要的.
還記得, 中三時, 聖經老師批評我發音讀字 (reading bible)有問題, 她要我每天到她的辦公室練發音. 其實, 她可以不理我, 但她要求每樣事情都要做到標準, 所以上了額外訓練.
英文老師簡直要求更高啦!  我覺得是正面的.

charlottechan

I came across primary students from 'famous schools'.  Even they may not obtain 9As or 10As in the future, their manner and intelligence still impressed me that famous schools are worth trying.  
Afterall, it is not only the academic results that matters.  I also take into account the network, the atmosphere, etc.

LittleKidult

原帖由 miffy 於 09-9-30 14:03 發表
我識人在呢兩間學校度讀, 點講呢.......總之我想講唔係普通家庭小朋友讀囉...........一個就身家憶憶聲..........一個就天才兒童.........聽佢地講, 個個家長都咁鬼有錢, 住半山千幾二千萬樓.........普通家庭根本唔 ...

如果講中學既話, 我仔係其中一間讀緊, 不過我地只係普通家庭, 月入高過政府定既中位數少少! 而且佢d同學有d都差唔多環境, 不過當然有d係有司機比個小朋友專用既家庭, 而且傳聞香港最有$果位人仕既孫女係到讀架
小學直上果d有部份係真係好勁, 不過都有d係包尾而轉校!!
外來生係的確係要以成績先入到, 但未必係有錢人.

hui3328

教署到現在都唔願意公佈全港中學的會考及高考成績. 整個系統欠缺透明度, 家長及學生只能道聽途說去選校, 到最後又是去爭幾間傳統名校. 實在非常令人失望. 小學概覽的資料基上全部癈的.

我所說的名校成績一落千丈是行內人告訴我. 至於St Paul成績好的學生是中一收的外面尖子, 是裡面的老師告訴我. 由於St Paul小一7成學位俾咗自己友, 基本上等於無法揀學生.

HoHoMom

Maybe things have changed nowadays especially with the emergence of DSS schools which usually have rigorous procedures to select students. I do believe a lot of high quality students (smart, high level of concentration, showing talent in sports/music/arts etc) have been recruited by DSS schools.

papa_pop

Most (if not all) of the mid-joiners for the so-called elite schools (be it SPCC or DGS or others) should be academically outstanding (for some, it could read "special talents in sports or music").  If not, what's the point admitting them?

And I don't see why these outstanding kids cannot maintain their performance in the few years ahead in secondary school.  I consider that's a logical fallacy in your statement.

What I see is that there are some bright students coming from the feeder primary, and some from so-called outsiders.  Anyway, if you are talking about HKCEE results, would you consider a student joining in F1 an 'outsider' after 5 years in the school?

原帖由 hui3328 於 09-9-30 17:26 發表
教署到現在都唔願意公佈全港中學的會考及高考成績. 整個系統欠缺透明度, 家長及學生只能道聽途說去選校, 到最後又是去爭幾間傳統名校. 實在非常令人失望. 小學概覽的資料基上全部癈的.

我所說的名校成績一落千丈是 ...

telegogo

原帖由 jdhwangmom 於 09-9-30 16:33 發表
我會安排他們在"傳統名校"接受敎育, 我亦是從"傳統名校"敎出來的學生, 眼見大部分同學的出路也不錯, 有自己的目標; 因為校方除必定會看重敎育質數外, 也會修練學生的德行, 而其他同學的家長應比較看顧孩子的發展, 所 ...

You are telling exactly the point for what the famous school can offer.

School is just a school. It's your own kid who study.  I think most of the parents here had gone through HKCEE, HKAL..  Could your parents help you get "A" at the public exam?  They could help but it is all about the talent and effort of the kid himself.

Famous school can provide you a good peer group.  Good peer group for me does not necessarilly to be rich family, but children with good care from the family who is grown up with better character.  Famous school can also provide wide exposure in differernt areas such as sports, music, oversea visit...  

For the academic standard, I think famous school is on average better than other school.  If all P6 students in HK take a public exam, I guess those from SPCCPS, DGJS, DBSPD, LS,.. may achieve at least 70-80% of the overall average.  That's already very good.  When they are promoted ot F1, they will compete with  those ranked 1st to 5th from different school.  The outcome is may be 20% of the students from the primary school will mix up with top 5% of the students from outside school, and they do equally well and become the 1st tier in academic.  The remaining 80% from the primary school is not as good as those outsiders.  Are they very week in academic?  No, but just the competition is too strong and they are still a lot better on average.  

If you think securing a seat in famous school can guarantee you 10 "A", you will be disappointed.

Just my opinion.

easybring

請問行內人有沒有提及甚麼學校成績上升?

原帖由 hui3328 於 09-9-30 17:26 發表
教署到現在都唔願意公佈全港中學的會考及高考成績. 整個系統欠缺透明度, 家長及學生只能道聽途說去選校, 到最後又是去爭幾間傳統名校. 實在非常令人失望. 小學概覽的資料基上全部癈的.

我所說的名校成績一落千丈是 ...

hui3328

我個人還是比較看重成績. 因為如果因為成績欠佳, 而進不了好的大學或學科, 一切都是空談.

所以我堅持主張, 全港家長和學生有知情權, 教署應該將全港中學的公開考試及入大學成績在網站公開. 讓家長有所選擇. 屆時, 大家可能會驚訝地發現, 不少傳統名校的成績滑坡得很嚴重. 這些學校很多不思進取, 不進則退.

自從教署將學校的級別由六級變成三級後, 許多所謂Band 1的學生其實水少很差. 他們通過統一派位, 進了所謂名校. 這是為什麼這些傳統名校成績大幅滑落. 雖然我沒內具体數據, 但相信我這是事實.

相反, 不少名不經傳的學校成績冒升得很快, 這是學校老師的共同努力. 但由於教署不公佈成績, 我們對現狀無法做一個全面的了解. 教署應該透過公開資料, 鼓勵學校之間的競爭.

hui3328

我手上確實沒有數據, 但我身邊有10多毎大學同學都是老師, 有在DGS, SPSS任教. 很多消息都是從彵們口中得知.

所以, 我一直主張教署公開全港中學的公開考試成績, 讓家長有知情權! 這是我們應有的權利.

hui3328

我認識一個朋友任務屯門一間學校, 會考成績比幾間傳統名校如華仁, 皇仁還要好.

可惜教署唔肯公佈成績, 家長無法了解一批用心經營, 成績突飛猛進的學校.

教署將學校由6個級別變成3個確實大大地降低了名校效應. 原來名校並沒有Magic, 派來垃圾學生時, 名校不能將垃圾變成寶.

fentanylbaby

AGREED!

原帖由 charlottechan 於 09-9-30 16:39 發表
I came across primary students from 'famous schools'.  Even they may not obtain 9As or 10As in the future, their manner and intelligence still impressed me that famous schools are worth trying.  
Afte ...

catcatmom

讀st mary 中3既朋友講, 老師說今期考第一既, 係來自一間深po岡一間小學既學生. dgs & st paul 就唔清楚.
讀st mary既小朋友係小學階段全級排名26名-40名, 直升上中學, 但到中一之後, 名次考得好後, 數學考第尾, 中&英成績都唔好, 原因可能小學與中學既讀書方法唔同了.   

原帖由 judy 於 09-9-30 12:34 發表


唔信！

[ 本帖最後由 catcatmom 於 09-10-1 20:57 編輯 ]

charwes

我估你係講緊順德聯誼總會梁球琚中學, 不過呢間成績好已經唔係新聞, 自三年前會考語文科轉評分方法後只有五間中學可以每年都出產十優狀元, 呢間就係其中一間..

原帖由 hui3328 於 09-10-1 08:58 發表
我認識一個朋友任務屯門一間學校, 會考成績比幾間傳統名校如華仁, 皇仁還要好.

可惜教署唔肯公佈成績, 家長無法了解一批用心經營, 成績突飛猛進的學校.

教署將學校由6個級別變成3個確實大大地降低了名校效應. 原來 ...

Sindy

原帖由 hui3328 於 09-9-30 17:26 發表
教署到現在都唔願意公佈全港中學的會考及高考成績. 整個系統欠缺透明度, 家長及學生只能道聽途說去選校, 到最後又是去爭幾間傳統名校. 實在非常令人失望. 小學概覽的資料基上全部癈的.

我所說的名校成績一落千丈是 ...

大部份中學都有係佢地學校網頁公報成績架喎...就算你話傳統神秘學校,到左中學一樣公報,不過要自己去睇同心較之麻......

Sindy

原帖由 judy 於 09-9-30 12:34 發表


唔信！

我都有好朋友仔係co-ed dgs度讀喎.....都唔係咁差啫.....反而聽過dgs因為收外來生唔夠自己既級數,所以分外來生同自己小學上的呀........

[ 本帖最後由 Sindy 於 09-10-1 22:32 編輯 ]

parentslove2

Please check the annual report in different school websites for HKCEE & HKAL results of their student.  School should post their student' result every year.

ryohga

其實外來生成績好過原校生有甚麼問題?? 我就是想自己的兒子多些接觸這些叻人,才千方百計把他送進這些名校吧?

其實所謂名校, 就是因為它能有它的號召力, 讓這些精英小孩都轉過來讀, 才得以繼續它的名氣, 也就是它的價值所在呢!

原帖由 Sindy 於 09-10-1 22:24 發表



我都有好朋友仔係co-ed dgs度讀喎.....都唔係咁差啫.....反而聽過dgs因為收外來生唔夠自己既級數,所以分外來生同自己小學上的呀........