ESF有可能改善嗎?

Miclint

我這樣理解阿胡的觀察： ESF 並沒有聘請專責推薦產出學生的 marketing & business development specialist。就像是找工作寫 resume 一樣，方簡也有專門教授技巧和策略的人事顧問公司；就像大企業搞市場開發一樣，很多專業服務咨詢公司不惜高薪聘請某某，純為取得這位仁兄的在該行頭的網絡和人面作導引。我看這其實是商業化和錢作怪吧！怎算好？

almom

原帖由 阿胡 於 09-4-6 14:21 發表


通常他們被稱之為college counselor. 常常是native, 語言好, 識同人交流, 又熟悉大學錄取遊戲規則的人來擔任.

如果大學錄取只以分數作為標準, 這個世界就不會有college counselor. 但是, 英美學校, 特別是美國頂 ...

Then they seem to be the same "counselor" I used to have in high school.

Then my question would be, if the counselor of your child's school is not doing what he is expected to do, can you make a complaint to the school?

He is supposed to be hired to help with university placement. Now if he is not doing his job, should the school be looking for someone else to take up the job?

Or, has it been some kind of "tradition" of the ESF to be focusing on universities in the UK?

阿胡

原帖由 almom 於 09-4-6 14:16 發表
I see what you mean.
And I totally understand how you feel.
I think as parents, we can just push the school into doing more.
Like I said eariler, what else are they willing to help?
I thought they wer ...

謝謝你. 事實上, 我正在ESF學校讀書的幾個孩子還小.

十來年, ESF在college counseling方面, 改善不多. 今年剛剛過去的入學申請, 連最起碼的介紹給學生要如何寫一篇好的essay, 都不去做, 真是令人唏嘘. 結果當然是可想而知了.

而家長們, 年年等事情發生了才遷怒學校, 事後又無人再跟進, 這就是發生在ESF的故事.

年年如此. ESF就是如此容易地年年由時間"解決"了問題.

[ 本帖最後由 阿胡 於 09-4-6 22:21 編輯 ]

popolung

原帖由 阿胡 於 09-4-6 21:25 發表


謝謝你. 事實上, 我正在ESF學校讀書的幾個孩子還小.

十來年, ESF在college counseling方面, 改善不多. 今年剛剛過去的入學申請, 連最起碼的介紹給學生要如何寫一篇好的essay, 都不去做, 真是令人唏嘘. 結果當然 ...

So is this concluded that we should switch our kid from ESF to CIS or HKIS?

Mighty

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而家長們, 年年等事情發生了才遷怒學校, 事後又無人再跟進, 這就是發生在ESF的故事.
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其実也不是、家長現在「改善」許多了、前幾個星期学校開了ＭＡＮＤＡＲＩＮ　ＩＮＦＯＲＭＡＴＩＯＮ　ＥＶＥＮＩＮＧ、it became a very heated discussion 因家長不満学校在普通話方面的進度。　但時間是需要的、也要看看家長争取的態度＆力度了。

阿胡

原帖由 popolung 於 09-4-7 00:04 發表


So is this concluded that we should switch our kid from ESF to CIS or HKIS?

我並不是想說ESF一無是處. 事實上, 在香港, 對好多家長來說, 還好有ESF, 否則真是不知道讓孩子上哪間學校. ESF確實提供了一個很好的, 而不同傳統教學方法的選擇.

至於是否轉學去HKIS, CIS, 每位家長都會做出自己的決定. 學校間間不同, 都有優缺點, 都有自己的特色. 我只是希望ESF有所改善而已,不希望見到十年前的失誤一而再, 再而三地發生. 對比學校可以做到轉IB, 加強中文教育等等, 提供好的college counseling應該是ESF力所能及的.

Miclint

Dear Mighty: 請問家長們不滿 Mandarin 課程什麼？不是已正在推行 Pilot Scheme 嗎？是否因為 Pilot Scheme 的目標不夠進取，就算 Pathway 3 的依然太淺易？我倒有這個感覺。請您分享一下家長們不滿的內容和有何跟進？謝謝您！

原帖由 Mighty 於 09-4-7 11:09 發表
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而家長們, 年年等事情發生了才遷怒學校, 事後又無人再跟進, 這就是發生在ESF的故事.
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其実也不是、家長現在「改善」許多了、前幾個星期学校開了ＭＡＮＤＡＲＩＮ　ＩＮＦＯＲＭＡＴＩＯＮ　ＥＶＥＮＩＮＧ、it became a very heated discussion 因家長不満 ...

emmamay

My elder son is studying in HKIS. I know their graduates can get into top universities  because of the support of the school.

Now my younger daughter will go to ESF in coming school year (Gr 1). Why she is not in HKIS, because of MONEY ma. It can save us a lot of money if she go to ESF.

Anyway, I will see how's my daughter doing in ESF. If there is a big difference between the schools, I will then have to send her to HKIS.

I do have no complaint on HKIS. I think it's a very good school. There are also a numbers of students going to universities in UK. If money is not a problem. I definitly will send the younger one to HKIS too.

Maybe in this world, you do pay for what you get.

almom

華人都覺得SAT不太難, 但大學錄取, SAT的份量不大. 孩子的品德, 包括essay字裡行間表露的信息, 會對錄取很重要. 顯然, 這不是一句"He is an excellent student"就夠的. 好多時候要college counselor寫一封令人信服的信.

I think SAT is not exactly a piece of cake to everyone. And SAT is not exactly 份量不大.
I do not have details of the current SAT (may be I should now) but even at my time as a student, SAT was definitely not something that was considered easy. There is no passing score for SAT but schools are looking for "good" score and we all knew what was bad score and what was good score.
I understand that they have more papers with SAT now and it is in fact even more demanding than the time when I was student.
I understand that a lot of prep school in the US started preparing students for SAT very early on. Some students or schools would start preparing as early as Grade 9 or 10.
Having said that, of course, a good personal statement, a good letter of recommendation, etc would also help. Good SAT alone would not be the key to Ivy League and likewise, even with the best personal statement, etc, if you do not have good SAT score you are in a poor position.
I just feel that the success of applying to universities in the US is a bunch of so many things, all of which need support from the school. Students should not 小看 any one of the criteria.
In any case, I am still a bit shocked if the school counselors are that unhelpful. I thought they were hired to do things like that. If they are not doing what they were supposed to do, why were they even hired.