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(1) I think reading for leisure will help learning of English a lot. Actually there is much research evidence for the level of proficiency being related to the amount of extra-class reading. So do not assume that leisure reading is not part of learning English.
<=== You are misreading my message. Leisure reading helps, of course. But ORT is not leisure reading. That's it.
(2) If you would like to check whether kids are choosing the correct ORT stages, Oxford has published comprehension worksheets to go with the books. Those are much better tools for judging reading at appropriate levels.
<=== I never purchased those worksheets. In fact, I never purchased any ORT books. The kids read a lot of them and there was no point buying the whole set. There must be many ways of judging the kids level. Your way probably suit you better. But I am asking for more, that's it. My kids, at those younger age (before 7), had to read to me aloud every now and then, so that I know that they can really pronounce the words. Once they learnt the word, they are free to read by themselves the same book the next day. Some kids recognise the words, or even know the meaning, but they cannot pronounce it. I just do not see how a kid that keep skipping words can be qualified to go to another level.
(3) For in class reading (of the same book) or at home reading, comprehension level can be checked by discussions on the content of the books.
<=== Discission is only part of the assessment procedures. Like I said, anyone can know how the story goes and still cannot pronounce the words. For some books, you can practically skip paragraphs and still know what's going on. He comprehends the book but he is not learning the words. At least, I do not think the ORT was designed for children to skip words.
(4) Reading aloud is a poor way of checking understanding. Many of us may have the experience of reading a piece which we know every words but the meaning is difficult to grasp. If you know all the words, you can read aloud. [Actually, I can read aloud a piece of German without knowing the meanings of most of the words]. However, with complex sentence structures and complicated lines of thought, the meaning can be difficult to follow. Learning to read is reading for meaning, not sound.
<=== I never said reading aloud is for checking understanding. Reading aloud is to check whether a kid can pronounce the word. Then, it has to be followed by discussions and questions. So it is takes both. You need to know how to read the word and the meaning as well. PLUS you need to comprehend the story. You seem to be doing half only.
(5) Go and visit any Kumon centre and you will know that this graded read aloud method has been the standard practice of Kumon. It has been shown to be of very limited use in both Japan (English) and Hong Kong (English and Putonghua).
<=== I am not a fan of Kumon, in particular their English or Chinese programs.
(6) Especially the later stages and the tree-top series, the language used is not for reading aloud. Those of us with experience will know that we have to use different language structures in writing a speech and writing a paper report. The same applies to writing stories to be read aloud and to be read silently.
<=== Reading aloud, like I said, is for beginners like your child. So I was focusing on the ORT only. And the reading aloud is purely for assessment purpose. They can freely read on their own the first or second time, but for me to decide whether my children are reading books of the appropriate level, I need to ask them to read aloud, AT LEAST ONCE. For advanced readers, like upper primary students, there might be no need to read aloud at all. No one would read aloud the Harry Potter Series. You seem to have misunderstood my message.
(7) That is why oxford has prepared drama scripts to accompany the school set. The drama scripts have been designed with the purpose of reading aloud. So if read aloud activities are needed in school. Those drama scripts should be used.
<=== All story books can be used as "reading aloud" tools.
There is nothing personal. There would not be serios harm by occasionally asking kids to read aloud. However, I do think that there are much better ways to use ORT and its related resource packs.
<=== Have I been personal? I do not even know who you are. I was here to share my experience and views. There are many ways to suit different people. But it is unfortunate if my views have been misunderstood and misquoted.
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