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作者: Avis_chu 時間: 15-5-16 21:54 標題: 新手媽媽: Tutor, Kingston, PIPS 邊一個會容易入esf

我是新手媽媽, 女女現在一歲三個月, 在tutor sulfork返了三個月pg, 可以直升n, 昨日收到kingston 電話可以interview入pg, 看呢個forum 話, 有得interview 都等於入到,
我想問下,
1. Tutor 定kingston 好一點, 如果想小學入ESF
2. KINGSTON 要比十萬NONREFUNDABLE , 大家覺得值唔值
3. 小學Kingston 好定 ESF 較好
4. 我排PIPS, PIPS 比tutor 或kingston 邊間好一點, 我都比了五萬 (refundable ), 機會大唔大, 因為家住PIPS 附近, 所以希望可以入到.
希望有經驗家長可以幫幫我, 謝謝大家

作者: Jane1983 時間: 15-5-16 22:07

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如果你吾介意比錢，不如留來買Esf的nomination right。

入playgroup或幼稚園，無小學或你並不心儀它的小學，吾值得買debenture。

作者: Avis_chu 時間: 15-5-16 23:03

ESF幼稚園咁難入, 擔心入唔到又錯過機會, 兩頭唔到岸

作者: bebemuimui 時間: 15-5-16 23:07 標題: 回覆：Avis_chu 的帖子

U can go to local school and move to Esf later.
Lots of people said it was easy in this forum.

作者: Jane1983 時間: 15-5-16 23:23

Esf係non selective school，佢只要學生英文達標就收，並無考核小朋友其他學術能力，此為易。但好多人報，抽籤無必抽到，此為難。

作者: Avis_chu 時間: 15-5-17 09:20

我想請教下, esf 抽籤係點抽? 我見佢得四間幼稚園, 但係成九間中學, 咁小學會唔會易入, 定係抽籤都好難

作者: Avis_chu 時間: 15-5-17 09:21

Sorry 九間小學, 五間中學

作者: Jane1983 時間: 15-5-17 09:28

上Esf睇吓資料，除Esf學校，仲有Esf旗下的學校RC和DC，Esf學校睇catchment area，RC和DC則全港報得。讀左Esf小學一般可以升上中學……你心儀Esf，就要多做功課了解它。

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-5-17 17:45

Avis_chu 發表於 15-5-17 09:20
我想請教下, esf 抽籤係點抽? 我見佢得四間幼稚園, 但係成九間中學, 咁小學會唔會易入, 定係抽籤都好難:qui ...

Relatively easy for ESF kindergarten pupils to enter ESF primary schools, success rate has consistently been over 90%, a bit harder for non-ESF kindergarten pupils but they still have a fair chance. There are around 1100 Y1 seats in ESF foundation primary schools, around 1400 if you add in the ESF private schools (DC and RC), while there are only 700 ESF kindergarten pupils.

The difficulty (especially for non-ESF kindergarten children with no other forms of priority) lies in the sheer number of applicants. Each applicant is assigned a random number and whether an applicant gets invited for interview depends on that number.

作者: Avis_chu 時間: 15-5-17 18:49

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我知道入到小學便好大機會入到中學, 但係幼稚園同小學便競爭好大,

作者: Avis_chu 時間: 15-5-17 19:01

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你所講的我都知, 我係想問幼稚園上小學競爭大唔大, 會唔會"西"走好多人, RC 同DC 在地點上未必會考, 特別係DC. 你的子女是否在ESF 讀, 是否幼稚園直升? 小學多唔多其他新同學?

作者: Avis_chu 時間: 15-5-17 19:03

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Fattydaddy, thank you for the statistic

作者: Jumboshrimp 時間: 15-5-17 22:40 標題: 引用：Quote:Avis_chu+發表於+15-5-17+09:20+我想

原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 15-05-17 發表
Relatively easy for ESF kindergarten pupils to enter ESF primary schools, success rate has consisten ...

我覺得ESF係完全估計不到入唔入到。有好多冇passport的朋友子女in 都冇得in...除非你有sibling 。仲有人人有個priority number真係似lottery呀！情況似傳統學校的大抽獎

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-5-18 00:10

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Avis_chu 發表於 15-5-17 18:49
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我知道入到小學便好大機會入到中學 ...

For ESF, the passage from primary to secondary is guaranteed, the children don't need to face a round of selection or elimination.

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-5-18 00:17

Jumboshrimp 發表於 15-5-17 22:40
我覺得ESF係完全估計不到入唔入到 ...

If the child manages to get into an ESF kindergarten, then the success rate is over 90%, what cannot be predicted is whether he/she may just happen to be in the other 10%. For other kindergarten children who don't have any form of priority, then it is really up to luck as it depends on whether their application gets allocated a good number, so yes it is pretty much like a lottery.

作者: lui 時間: 15-5-18 02:38 標題: 引用：我是新手媽媽,+女女現在一歲三個月,+在tuto

原帖由 Avis_chu 於 15-05-16 發表
我是新手媽媽, 女女現在一歲三個月, 在tutor sulfork返了三個月pg, 可以直升n, 昨日收到kingston 電話可以i ...

Why you target ESF, I suppose it's primary?

作者: Jane1983 時間: 15-5-18 07:23

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幼稚園上小學吾會篩走好多人，但並非一定收，聽朋友講，係有逾90%。
我小朋友讀其他IS，不過Esf是大校，識讀Esf的都唔少。

作者: vinvinaa 時間: 15-5-19 09:43

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Fattydaddy,
Please don't mind me jump in and ask. The non-ESF kindergarten children need to go through a sheer number which works like a lottery or waiting number for the interview sequence. Then how about ESF kindergarten children, do they need to go through a sheer number or they have the chance to do the interview automatically?

作者: Avis_chu 時間: 15-5-19 11:54

By the way, i lived in element where is in the middle between kidergatden in TSANG YI and wu kai sha. Which school will they put my daughter in as catchment area. And which one has a bigger chance to get in. Thank you so much!

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-5-19 13:08

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vinvinaa 發表於 15-5-19 09:43
Then how about ESF kindergarten children, do they need to go through a sheer number or they have the chance to do the interview automatically?

This is my understanding of how it works. Every applicant is assigned a random number, and they are prioritized first by their ranking (i.e. staff's children, sibling, kindergarten etc) and then by their assigned number. So for example an ESF kindergarten pupil with number 100 will come before another ESF kindergarten pupil with number 200 but after a sibling with number 500.

The interviews are done in stages, say a school will interview 300 applicants in the first round, and that means even ESF kindergarten pupils may not get invited if they have a bad number, but there will be first round interviewees who fail the interview and some who decline offers, so the school may do additional rounds of interviews and those ESF kindergarten children who were not invited in the first round may get invited in these subsequent rounds, most if not all of them do get an interview at some stage.

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-5-19 13:22

Avis_chu 發表於 15-5-19 11:54
By the way, i lived in element where is in the middle between kidergatden in TSANG YI and wu kai sha ...

The ESF kindergartens don't go by catchment areas, so you could apply to either Tsing Yi or Wu Kai Sha (but not both) depending on which is more convenient for you.

Which ESF primary school a child applies to is not determined by which ESF kindergarten the child is attending but by his/her residential address, and Elements should fall within Kowloon Junior School's catchment, that means your child's application will be routed to KJS regardless of which kindergarten he/she attends.

作者: vinvinaa 時間: 15-5-19 14:09

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I see so if an ESF kindergartener gets a really bad sheer number, he/she may not even gets the chance to do the Primary school's interview. However, if he/she gets a decent number, the chance could be as high as 90% for acceptance? Does the sheer number works in kindergarten's application as well? Can we apply more than one ESF's kindergarten or we can only apply one and one for WKS or TsingYi?

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-5-19 14:32

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vinvinaa 發表於 15-5-19 14:09
if he/she gets a decent number, the chance could be as high as 90% for acceptance? ...

90% is the overall success rate for all ESF kindergarten children.

Even if an ESF kindergarten pupil gets a bad number, he/she is still ahead of all the non-ESF kindergarten children. The random number is only used to prioritize within the same ranking, e.g. an ESF kindergarten child who has number 2000 is way behind another ESF kindergarten child with number 100, but still ahead of a non-ESF kindergarten child with number 10. That is what I mean by prioritizing first by ranking and then by the assigned number.

You cannot apply to more than one ESF kindergarten, so just pick the one which is most convenient. As I said, which ESF kindergarten a child attends does not determine which ESF primary school he/she applies to.

作者: vinvinaa 時間: 15-5-19 15:00

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Thanks!!

作者: Avis_chu 時間: 15-5-19 19:11

thank you so much FattyDaddy.
I will go to Kingston interview on Thursday, which make me feel hesitated. I definitely want to get into ESF kindergarten, if the school do not have catchment area restriction, I would like to go to Wan Chi one instead. Do you know how many people will apply kindergarten every year and how is the successful rate?

作者: wadh0988 時間: 15-5-19 21:00 標題: 回覆：Avis_chu 的帖子

That's esf hillside. There's only one kindy on island side so competition should be quite keen I would imagine.

作者: 964000 時間: 15-5-19 22:22

wadh0988 發表於 15-5-19 21:00
That's esf hillside. There's only one kindy on island side so competition should be quite keen I wou ...

Having said that, there is only one ESF kindy to feed in ESF primaries on HKI so the ESF primaries will be relatively easier. Moreover ESF kindy is soso.

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-5-19 23:24

Avis_chu 發表於 15-5-19 19:11
Do you know how many people will apply kindergarten every year and how is the successful rate? ...

In 2011 ESF Tsing Yi kindergarten received around 500 applications for 180 seats, don't know what the situation is now, I suspect figures vary from school to school and year to year.

作者: wadh0988 時間: 15-5-19 23:51 標題: 回覆：964000 的帖子

Unless 樓主 moves to hk island, living in elements wouldn't lead the kid to island catchment even after attending hillside.

作者: Avis_chu 時間: 15-5-20 16:45

thank you so much all your opinion. ESF kindergartens are far away from my home, this is make me feel hesitated how can my daughter take an hour to go to school everyday. May be I will take Kingston option and apply ESF in primary school

作者: wadh0988 時間: 15-5-20 22:20 標題: 回覆：Avis_chu 的帖子

Kingston puts a string emphasis on chinese. It's pretty much a bilingual school at kindie level. Chinese learning is also rigorous at primary - whereas at esf primary it's rather minimal. Very different schools although both are IB for primaries

作者: 21Ckid 時間: 15-5-20 23:38

With the new tung chung esf kinder and the abolition of cat 1 and cat 2, it will be extremely difficult for non-esf kinder students to enter its primary in your year, unless you pay the nomination rights of $500k (but god knows if this will increase or if the plan will change at all, or there will be a long queue).

So if esf primary is your target, you should target its esf kinder. Perhaps you get in kingston first and try esf K1. Of course, it depneds on how you view the $100k (but many parents are willing to pay for the back up)

作者: Radiomama 時間: 15-5-21 12:15

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Then nomination right for ESF primary school is one of the best solution!

作者: Avis_chu 時間: 15-5-21 14:07

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謝謝你的意見，咁你係唔係覺得如果想上ESF 小學，應該入番ESF 幼稚園會好一點？另外，KINGSTON 你有沒有什麼意見，我看好多分享都係話佢BILINGUAL 好，但係好似沒有其他優點
我剛剛去完INTERVIEW 覺得KINGSTON 沒有TUTOR TIME 咁大同咁新

作者: Avis_chu 時間: 15-5-21 14:14

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我都明白，我想請教下，TT 同KINGSTON 你們會揀邊間做BACKUP？
我都會在K1 試下ESF，只係三間ESF 都太遠，所以老公又想讀得近一點，我都問下ESF 會唔會提供校巴？我們女要下年先可以報到ESF，我擔心到時又再難入或者有改變

作者: 964000 時間: 15-5-21 14:22 標題: 引用：回覆+21Ckid+的帖子我都明白，我想請教下

原帖由 Avis_chu 於 15-05-21 發表
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我都明白，我想請教下，TT 同KINGSTON 你們會揀邊間做BACKUP？

如果你明年打算走，我就不會報kingston, 因為10萬只為playgroup/ nursery好吾抵

作者: 21Ckid 時間: 15-5-21 15:09

Avis_chu 發表於 15-5-21 14:14
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我都明白，我想請教下，TT 同KINGSTON 你們會揀邊間做BACKUP？

What i mean by back up is that Kingston has a primary school (also secondary school but far away) which is through train, so that if you do not get into your "dream school" you still have a back up. Beside, Kingston primary is quite good indeed (though the campus is too small). Don't know much about the affiliated secondary school, ICHK, though. TT doesn't have a primary school.

ESF has school bus. You can call their admission office to ask before you make any decision. (but i believe there should be school bus running from elements to esf tsing yi， also, taking the mtr should be ok for a 3 year old kid with youself or the maid. Both kingston and TT are not close either.

Taking out sibling, i heard there were about 400 competing for 100 places for esf tsing yi. So, not easy. If you continue with TT, then if you fail to get in esf tsing yi, you can try at esf primary by buying the nomination rights (if it is still there at the time but god knows if they would raise the cost from $500k to whatever sum), otherwise chance is slim.

If you choose kingston, then you may forgo the $100k if you suceed in getting into esf tsing yi.

Not an easy choice, but if money is not too big a concern, you should choose kingston, given it is really quite a good school.

作者: wadh0988 時間: 15-5-21 15:12 標題: 回覆：Avis_chu 的帖子

If you target esf it doesn't really matter which PG you go to as long as your kid has a reasonably good command of English. Barring any change in esf admission policy try to get in esf kindie gives you a fairly high chance to primary. Otherwise it all boils down to luck.

Kingston is a good backup if money is not an issue. Class size is small. Vs big primary in esf. It's one of the feeder schools to ICHK. So quasi through train.

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-5-21 23:26

Avis_chu 發表於 15-5-21 14:14
我都問下ESF 會唔會提供校巴？

Yes they do, there were children living as far away as Tuen Mun and Tung Chung attending ESF Tsing Yi kindergarten.

Obviously with the opening of a new ESF kindergarten in Tung Chung next year, children living on Lantau Island will be applying to the new kindergarten instead of Tsing Yi, which should make Tsing Yi that bit easier to get in.

作者: minimirror 時間: 15-5-23 11:18

Thanks Avis_chu for having this discussion here

My son is 1 yr old . My plan is to put him in ESF kindergarten (Tsing Yi) then ESF primary (BHS). I choose Discovery Montessori School for backup because my son attends playgroup there. There will be a new primary school by Discovery School Academic in Sept 2015.

作者: Avis_chu 時間: 15-5-26 16:15

Thank you so much for all your comment. I think I will take kingston offer as backup and try to apply ESF in next year. If ESF accept my daughter I will try to see which is my daughter prefer.

But I want to ask what do you think about the kid study two kinder school, I heard that many parents arrange one international school and one tradition school for their kids, is it too heavy and tired for them?

作者: Avis_chu 時間: 15-5-26 16:18

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You are lucky, you live so close to ESF! And I think ESF n discovery bay is easier than other location Good luck!

作者: Radiomama 時間: 15-5-26 17:51

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Attending two kindies could not make kid smarter. Think twice.

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-5-26 18:02

Avis_chu 發表於 15-5-26 16:15
I heard that many parents arrange one international school and one tradition school for their kids, is it too heavy and tired for them? ...

A minority of parents do that, mainly because they're not sure about which route to take, local or international, so they want to delay that decision for a year or two. Frankly it is very tiring for the child and you should not attempt it unless you live VERY near to one of the kindergartens, like within 5 to 10 minutes walk.

作者: Avis_chu 時間: 15-6-3 23:22

Thank you so much for your information, as I got the letter from kingston, they will accept my daughter application for playgroup in the coming august. I think I will finish kinder in kingston and try ESF in primary school, as i think kingston is a good backup.

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