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作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-6-30 21:01     標題: Sharing of IB vs NSS

本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 13-8-15 21:29 編輯

各位，因為小兒曾經上過英文寫作班及操卷班是4年前的事，他上了兩個學期，跟著沒有再上，所以資料已經過了時間性，參考作用不大，所以在數月前我已經不再提供，不想誤導其他家長，抱歉！


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My son studies in a local DSS (直資學校) school which provided both NSS (新高中) & IB curriculum (國際文憑課程). Our family spent quite some time to evaluate the pros and cons of both curriculum and the admission of Universities and other considerations. I would like to share with you all here, only my personal experience.

Background

The school just offers the bridging course of IBDP (國際文憑課程). this school year and no track record of IBDP (國際文憑課程). and even unauthorized in IBO (國際文憑組織). website (Now, being authorized). The tuition fee will be nearly double for IB stream relative to NSS stream. First year only recruit max 60 students, but only 45 places filled as they only accept the top students and excellent command of English to take IBDP (國際文憑課程). (top 80 out of 240 form ranking).

Our concerns:

1. JUPAS (聯招) vs Non-JUPAS (非聯招)

75% university places for JUPAS and only 25% for non-JUPAS (after further review, 25% is max for CityU, other Us from 10-20%, in case you want to know exactly, pls check each university's admission section.). So the chance seems to be higher for JUPAS. I did some research on LPCUWC (李寶春聯合國際書院) and some ESF (英基學校)and IS (國際學校) schools' university admission results in the last few years (Most IS & ESF schools didn't disclose much of their IB results and university admission results, my wild guess their results not impressive.) LPCUWC - 2009 May IB results average 37.16, HK students average 39.29, overseas student’s average 35.13 and the max will be 45 and passing score is 24. Most ESF and IS's IB average less than 32. LPCUWC IB results with flying colors and 82% students study in HK get into Big 3 (港大、中大、科大) in HK and the subjects are impressive like Medicine, Law, Architecture, Business. If my son's IB results comparative to the bright students of LPCUWC, his chance gets into Big 3 for hot subjects may be higher than JUPAS stream.

2. Curriculum (課程)

NSS has some changes in the curriculum like introducing Liberal Studies (通識) , OLE (其他學習經驗), M1 (統計) & M2 (微積分) on top of core Maths. But the examination papers standard close to A-level. It's easier for teachers, students and tuition centers as most HKCEE (會考) and A-level past papers still valid for them. IB has the curriculum but not very popularly known and sometimes their scope close to 1st year University level, but not in the IB examination. Broad curriculum and not as structural as NSS.

3. Work load

Heavy loading in continuous assessment, many projects, presentation, essay writing, lab work etc. it's very demanding in time management and discipline. Some students even as boarders to save their daily travelling time to meet the deadline. Relative to NSS students, they are still "Hea" and wait for the last year to burn the mid-light oil.

4. Top notch universities

I participated two seminars from Cambridge and Oxford Universities' Admission Officer in HK last October/November. Particularly Cambridge recognized the HKAL, but not for HKDSE (香港文憑試). So he recommended students want to study in Cambridge either study Pre-U schools in UK or go for IB, 38-41 will have a chance for interview and depends on individual college requirement (I won't elaborate college system here.). As A* in HKDSE not equivalent to A* in GCE AL, HK students' chance to study elite universities in UK will be slim. That's why more students study in UK for high school.

5. HK/USA/UK

My son not makes up his mind to study in which regions, IB can be one fits all except some US universities may need SAT or other exam to prove your English proficiency. Pls better check the admission requirement of individual university.

6. Exam expert v Life time learner

No definitely preference, sometimes excellent exam results are essential for further studying and career advancement. If exam upset your kid to study, you need to rethink. (Too much work load may also upset my son).

Tactics to achieve IBDP Bridging Program ((國際文憑銜接課程). place in my son's school

1. Excellent command of English

In IBDP, teacher supposes not teaching grammar or basic English, they focus on literature critique. My son not from the primary division of the school, so may not up to the par of their requirement. So we sent him to a very good English class to polish his English writing skills. Not matter he can get in IBDP or not, his English standard improves a lot in this year. (If you really want to know the details of the tuition centres, pls PM me. I don't want to violate the BK rule. Thanks.)

2. Form ranking

My son reviews his handicaps in continuous assessment and examination results of certain subjects. His final ranking not announce yet, but definitely within top 80.

[ 本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 11-7-26 15:59 編輯 ]
作者: ilovenunu    時間: 10-7-1 22:39

謝謝你的分享。  
那天聽簡介會, 不禁為上台的三位男生的自信及英語能力喝采。我想這應該是唸 IB 課程的得著吧。
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-7-1 22:55

原帖由 ilovenunu 於 10-7-1 22:39 發表
謝謝你的分享。  
那天聽簡介會, 不禁為上台的三位男生的自信及英語能力喝采。我想這應該是唸 IB 課程的得著吧。


If we are talking the same school, most boys are presentable with high self-confidence and self-esteem, I feel some of them even over-confidence.

Does your son applied for the IBDP Bridging Programme? If yes, you may get the offering letter this week.

[ 本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 10-7-1 22:57 編輯 ]
作者: Tommy    時間: 10-7-2 01:19

ANChan59,

I’m so impressed with your article.  Your analysis and inspiring thoughts can really help me to plan for my sons’ future studies.

After reading your article, some questions regarding “JUPAS vs Non-JUPAS” came up to my mind.  I believe you should have good understanding to them.  

Is the 75-25 rule applied to every school year?  Do the universities review it every year?  Do they make adjustment according to the quality and quantity of the Non-JUPAS applicants?

What is the student ratio going for JUPAS and Non-JUPAS in the past?  Was it also 75-25?

Do you think the average standard of Non-JUPAS students is higher than the JUPAS counterparts or vice versa?

Maybe make it simple and straight-forward.  Do the local universities publish the “mean score” and “minimum score” carried by the JUPAS and Non-JUPAS applicants who entered the popular faculty?

Sorry for so many questions raised.  I’m just an ordinary and “calculated” parent.  I’m puzzled and really want to verify whether it is less advantageous for a local student to go for Non-JUPAS.  

Many thanks.

Tommy
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-7-2 21:09

原帖由 Tommy 於 10-7-2 01:19 發表
ANChan59,

I’m so impressed with your article.  Your analysis and inspiring thoughts can really help me to plan for my sons’ future studies.

After reading your article, some questions regarding “JUPAS vs Non-JUPAS” came up to my mind.  I believe you should have good understanding to them.  

Is the 75-25 rule applied to every school year (After double check, non-JUPAS 10-20%, 25% only holds for CityU for certain years) ?  Do the universities review it every year (I think so) ?  Do they make adjustment according to the quality and quantity of the Non-JUPAS applicants (I think so.)?

What is the student ratio going for JUPAS and Non-JUPAS in the past (It changes every year by institutions and program) ?  Was it also 75-25 (Not every year/institution/program) ?

Do you think the average standard of Non-JUPAS students is higher than the JUPAS counterparts or vice versa (I don't want to comment on this here, if I made mistake again, it's unfair and may mislead some non-JUPAS applicants. Also, non-JUPAS applicants come from wide spectrum of backgrounds, difficult to comment. Like GCE-AL, IB, other overseas examination boards, Higher Diploma, Associate Degree, mature students etc) ?

Maybe make it simple and straight-forward.  Do the local universities publish the “mean score” and “minimum score” carried by the JUPAS and Non-JUPAS applicants who entered the popular faculty (Yes, you can go to the website of UGC or Education Bureau and you can see the detail beakdown by institutions and programs in 25%, 50% and 75% percentile) ?

Sorry for so many questions raised.  I’m just an ordinary and “calculated” parent.  I’m puzzled and really want to verify whether it is less advantageous for a local student to go for Non-JUPAS.  

Many thanks.

Tommy


Thanks for your questions and after further review year by year comparison, I need to withdraw the 75-25 ratio and amend it with a range from 10-20% as general bold part figure.

I also assume my son may score good grades in IB and my analysis may hold. If not........
作者: Tommy    時間: 10-7-3 14:18

原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-7-2 21:09 發表


Thanks for your questions and after further review year by year comparison, I need to withdraw the 75-25 ratio and amend it with a range from 10-20% as general bold part figure.

I also assume my s ...


Many thanks for your reply and the useful information.
作者: mattsmum    時間: 10-7-3 23:26     標題: 回覆 1# Tommy 的文章

(2010年7月1日星期四)

我曾在本欄談過本地大學利用「非聯招」辦法收生所引起不公平問題：部份花得起錢的家長，把子女送到外國唸預科，拿取外國的高考成績（例如 GCE），再透過「非聯招」辦法投考香港的大學。外國的高考比香港的淺易得多，容易得到較佳成績，這些「留學生」因此可佔盡便宜，造成「有錢不用考香港高考，無錢留港捱高考」的現象。

文章在去年發表後沒有收過大學資助委員會和任何大學的回應，卻收到家長和同學的電郵，說問題嚴重。6月21日南華早報又有一篇「非聯招」的報道，並列舉數字說明，引述如下：

英國高考（GCE A-Level）每年考獲A級考生為26.7%，香港高考僅為3.6%。香港的大學每年收生約14500名入讀政府資助的本科課程，各大學並沒有設定「非聯招」學額比例或上限，「非聯招生」的數目正在不斷上升，由2004年的2924人（佔當年新生總數19.9%，下同）增至2008年的4107人（26.1%）。2008年，本地高考生考獲「大學入學資格」但因「沒有足夠學額」遭拒大學門外者有6000人。

「非聯招生」考進「熱門」學系的比例更厲害。科大的國際商業，2007年透過「非聯招」成功申請入學的比例為20%，2008年為37.2%，2009年更增至39.5%（即43人中有17人為「非聯招生」）；中大醫科2009年收生160人，其中49人（30.6%）來自「非聯招」；同年，港大醫科也是收生160人，其中竟有100人（62.5%）來自「非聯招」。

要到英國唸兩年預科？學費、宿費、生活費約為港幣900000元，你會考慮嗎？
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-7-4 08:23     標題: EAS not JUPAS.......

原帖由 mattsmum 於 10-7-3 23:26 發表
(2010年7月1日星期四)

(2010年7月1日星期四)

我曾在本欄談過本地大學利用「非聯招」辦法收生所引起不公平問題：部份花得起錢的家長，把子女送到外國唸預科，拿取外國的高考成績（例如 GCE），再透過「非聯招」辦法投考香港的大學。外國的高考比香港的淺易得多，容易得到較佳成績，這些「留學生」因此可佔盡便宜，造成「有錢不用考香港高考，無錢留港捱高考」的現象(Be straight, most of theirs parents are civil servants, they have overseas educational allowance up to 18 years old)。

文章在去年發表後沒有收過大學資助委員會和任何大學的回應，卻收到家長和同學的電郵，說問題嚴重。6月21日南華早報又有一篇「非聯招」的報道，並列舉數字說明，引述如下：

英國高考（GCE A-Level）每年考獲A級考生為26.7%，香港高考僅為3.6%。香港的大學每年收生約14500名入讀政府資助的本科課程，各大學並沒有設定「非聯招」學額比例或上限，「非聯招生」的數目正在不斷上升，由2004年的2924人（佔當年新生總數19.9%，下同）增至2008年的4107人（26.1%）。2008年，本地高考生考獲「大學入學資格」但因「沒有足夠學額」遭拒大學門外者有6000人(Non-JUPAS included GCE AL, IB, HD, AD.....)。

「非聯招生」考進「熱門」學系的比例更厲害。科大的國際商業，2007年透過「非聯招」成功申請入學的比例為20%，2008年為37.2%，2009年更增至39.5%（即43人中有17人為「非聯招生」）；中大醫科2009年收生160人，其中49人（30.6%）來自「非聯招」；同年，港大醫科也是收生160人，其中竟有100人（62.5%）來自「非聯招」(Do you think Direct Admission Scheme is non-JUPAS? EAS not counted as JUPAS. Check HKU Medicine and EAS.)。

要到英國唸兩年預科？學費、宿費、生活費約為港幣900000元，你會考慮嗎 (If I think better education is an long term investment, I will. If I think its expenses, I will have second thoughts)？


I read the SCMP's article, the journalist made some wrong assumption. More students in Medicine, Global business etc are come from EAS and not JUPAS.

Go to LPCUWC's website, refer to university admission, most students 82% in local universities are Big 3 and majority went to Medicine, Global Business, Law and Architecture.

Some of my friends in Universities told us that they made mistakes to enrol some 3-5 ALs students returned from UK, even in some good professional subjects, but they were not doing well in the university. Now, the Asmission Office pay special attention to students from UK with ALs. The coming trend is they prefer IB instead of AL.

Moreover, non-JUPAS also included Higher Diploma and Associate Degree graduates.

Your comments also provide some useful information in University Admission from different streams. I recommend you post a new topic and share with others.

My topic only refer to NSS vs IB, how we struggle before Senior Higher School years? Originally, I post it in Middle School sub-forum.

[ 本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 10-7-4 08:28 編輯 ]
作者: mattsmum    時間: 10-7-4 13:44     標題: 回覆 1# ANChan59 的文章

这是从某一校长的专栏抄出来的,只是没抄来源(教育心語 — 龐永欣)，

CU大学线（http://www.com.cuhk.edu.hk/ubeat/,  94期）有类似数字，看了吓一跳，不管IB也好GCE AL
也好，大学收不少. 收11608 JUPAS時就收了4107 non-jupas, 大學認為本地的不夠好嗎？

ibdp 我看了几年，任在理解中。FIS CIS RC 耀中 都能找到IB成绩.

[ 本帖最後由 mattsmum 於 10-7-4 14:27 編輯 ]
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-7-4 14:17

原帖由 mattsmum 於 10-7-4 13:44 發表
这是从某一校长的专栏抄出来的只是没抄来源，中大大学线也有类似数字，看了吓一跳，不管IB也好GCE也好，大学收不少。
ibdp 我看了几年，任在理解中。不是易的。。 ...


The dear principal still miss the key point.

Non-JUPAS total number = EAS(拔尖) + GCE AL + IB + HD + AD + Mature students + Others
EAS -> most of them to hot and professional subjects and create the bias. It's fine to me that the best go to the hottest subjects.

I researched IB in detail for 1 year as my son need to face the final decision next week. He got the offer of the IBDP last week and will have final exam result next week. The final ranking in Grade 9 will determine he can go to elite Science stream in NSS or not.

He may go for IB by his own decision and the reasons are:

1. If he scores well in IB, he can aim for both local and international elite universities. HKDSE result only good for 2nd tiers universities internationally, as no track record right now.
2. 25-30% score come from continuous assessments and not so rely on final examination. So the work load generally heavier than NSS. Also, 3 extra points on TOK and EE in CA.
3. NSS is too examination driven, IB more spaces for knowledge build up.
4. The competition in non-JUPAS is not as keen as in JUPAS, if your grades in IB 32+ (From UCAS AL AAA = IB 28-31; AAAA = IB 32-36;) .
作者: mattsmum    時間: 10-7-4 14:31     標題: 回覆 1# ANChan59 的文章

would he take english A1 as group 1 language or chinese A1 as group 1?

what about his group 2 language? english A2 or english B?

this is a hot discussion topic.
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-7-4 14:36

原帖由 mattsmum 於 10-7-4 13:44 發表
IBDP 我看了几年，任在理解中。FIS CIS RC 耀中 都能找到IB成绩


Can you share your impression and pros and cons of IBDP to us?

LPCUWC shows the best IB exam results internationally and university destinations. ESF schools also have IB stream in KG5, IS, WIS etc.

[ 本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 10-7-4 14:38 編輯 ]
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-7-4 14:53

原帖由 mattsmum 於 10-7-4 14:31 發表
would he take english A1 as group 1 language or chinese A1 as group 1?

what about his group 2 language? english A2 or english B?

this is a hot discussion topic.


You ask a tricky question, not easy to answer. My son only gets into IBDP Bridging Program in come term and make the final Group selection next summer.

From my research based on the IBO examination report May 2009, the distribution of English and Chinese in A1 and A2 and also HL or SL are detail listed. We can play around that like Chinese as SL A1 and English as SL A2 against Chinese HL A1 and English as SL A2.......... No definite answer.
作者: mattsmum    時間: 10-7-4 22:33

That is my confusion too,
Lanuage A1 has lit.component and is considered not easy,china's IB student would take Chinese A1 as group one language, that is easy for them,
hK's IS students would likely take eng as group1 language, then depends on their ability, those chinese student might take language a2 or b,
But local school IB student, what Language would they take for group 1- if it is English - you need to have literature back group, how many of these students are so good?if it is cinese, it is also difficult for hk students,
I asked this question in some seminars, they told me to wait because there were revision to syllibus for Chinese , they said.

[ 本帖最後由 mattsmum 於 10-7-4 22:42 編輯 ]
作者: ZZdaphne    時間: 10-7-11 14:02

NSS

IBDP

I did some research on LPCUWC and some ESF and IS schools' university admission results in the last few years

IB can be one fits all except some US universities may need SAT or other exam to prove your English proficiency

JUPAS. 「聯招」

Non-JUPAS「非聯招」total number = EAS(拔尖) + GCE AL (英國高考)+ IB + HD + AD + Mature students + Others EAS

Also, 3 extra points on TOK and EE in CA.

ESF schools also have IB stream in KG5, IS, WIS etc.

FIS CIS RC 耀中 都能找到IB成绩.
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ANChan59或各位:

可否將上述的簡稱用中文註釋,
讓家長們明白多些,
謝謝你們寶貴的資料和分享.



[ 本帖最後由 ZZdaphne 於 10-7-11 14:05 編輯 ]
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-7-11 18:27

原帖由 ZZdaphne 於 10-7-11 14:02 發表


NSS (新高中)

IBDP (國際文憑課程，簡稱IB，IBDP成績24分以上為合格，45分滿分。入大學只睇IBDP)

I did some research on LPCUWC (李寶春聯合國際書院) and some ESF (英基書院) and IS (國際學校)schools' university admission results in the last few years

IB can be one fits all except some US universities may need SAT or other exam to prove your English proficiency

JUPAS. 「聯招」

Non-JUPAS「非聯招」total number = EAS(拔尖) + GCE AL (英國高考)+ IB + HD (高級文憑) + AD (副學士)+ Mature students + Others EAS

Also, 3 extra points on TOK (Theory of Knowledge 研究項目) and EE (Extended Essay 論文)  in CA (Continuous Assessment).

ESF (English School Foundation) schools also have IB stream in KG5 (King George Five), IS (Island School), WIS (West Island School) etc.

FIS (French Intrnational School) CIS (Chinese International School) RC 耀中 都能找到IB成绩.

版主，我盡力而為。

我以為有興趣者會對那些簡稱明白，忽略其他讀者初接觸時會有少少困難。我會以後留意，謝謝提醒。
作者: ZZdaphne    時間: 10-7-11 18:47

原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-7-11 18:27 發表


版主，我盡力而為。

我以為有興趣者會對那些簡稱明白，忽略其他讀者初接觸時會有少少困難。我會以後留意，謝謝提醒。



因為曾經有家長pm問過IB課程,
你們的文章有很好的資料,
值得細讀.
謝謝你的幫忙.
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-7-16 09:18

Just an update of my son's final decision: He goes for Pre-IB (國際課程預備班) and then IBDP, even he can go to pure or mixed science streams. His rationales are:

1. Elite students go for mixed stream like Phy + Chem + Econ; Chem + Bio + Econ. For electives, very similar to IB's combination. This year, top 3 students and most top 30 students opt for IB;

2. After one year Pre-IB, he can see Pre-IB students progress and mindset for studying and getting into university is better than most NSS students. Even the principal reminded the parents, the NSS exam result will be declined as most students too lay back;

3. His seniors feedback on IB is better than NSS - Teacher quality and experience, training, predicted grades and self-confidence; and

4. He has positive feeling of IB teachers during the interview, they appreciated his creativity and exposures. The first time in the school.

He needs to workhard finally to ensure the score 38+.

He will go for first degree in HK through non-JUPAS and may be postgraduate to overseas. Gain more overseas exposures through internship (實習), volunteer services (義務工作) and exchange programs (交流計劃) in undergraduate program.

[ 本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 11-1-17 10:28 編輯 ]
作者: mattsmum    時間: 10-7-16 23:27     標題: 回覆 1# ANChan59 的文章

"can go to pure or mixed science streams."
what does this mean?
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-7-17 10:48

原帖由 mattsmum 於 10-7-16 23:27 發表
"can go to pure or mixed science streams."
what does this mean?


The most popular streams are

Stream A Pure science - Phy + Chem + Bio
Stream B Mixed science - Phy + Chem + XXX
Stream C Mixed science - Chem + Bio + XXX

Electives XXX - Phy, Bio, Econ, ICT (電腦), BAFS (商課) .........

Economics and ICT are the most popular XXX electives.

[ 本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 11-1-17 10:29 編輯 ]
作者: mattsmum    時間: 10-7-17 19:57     標題: 回覆 1# ANChan59 的文章

What about group 3 and 6?

Looks like the capable ones are more science orientated.
作者: ltwnatalie    時間: 10-7-24 18:12     標題: 可否透露你仔仔讀邊間直資呢？

原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-6-30 21:01 發表
My son studies in a local DSS (直資學校) school which provided both NSS (新高中) & IB curriculum (國際文憑課程). Our family spent quite some time to evaluate the pros and cons of both curriculum and t ...




可否透露你仔仔讀邊間直資呢？
作者: ltwnatalie    時間: 10-7-24 18:45     標題: 邊間補高中英文好

ANChan59,
請問你邊間補英文好，請教教我這個初哥，唔該！
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-7-24 21:21

原帖由 mattsmum 於 10-7-17 19:57 發表
What about group 3 and 6?

Looks like the capable ones are more science orientated.


My son's case is Economics + Biology
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-7-24 21:27

原帖由 ltwnatalie 於 10-7-24 18:45 發表
ANChan59,
請問你邊間補英文好，請教教我這個初哥，唔該！


Check your pm.
作者: ltwnatalie    時間: 10-7-25 16:27     標題: 回覆 25# ANChan59 的文章

what does pm stand for? where to check it
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-7-25 22:23

原帖由 ltwnatalie 於 10-7-25 16:27 發表
what does pm stand for? where to check it


Your personal mail (私人信息) in Baby-Kingdom.
作者: ltwnatalie    時間: 10-7-27 00:35     標題: 邊間補高中英文好

你俾果兩間，邊間較好，同埋果d老師係米外國人補英文，邊個老師補得好d 呀；仲有無補新高中中文ge介紹
作者: ltwnatalie    時間: 10-7-27 00:36     標題: 唔該哂ANChan59

唔該哂ANChan59
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-7-27 02:22

原帖由 ltwnatalie 於 10-7-27 00:35 發表
你俾果兩間，邊間較好，同埋果d老師係米外國人補英文，邊個老師補得好d 呀；仲有無補新高中中文ge介紹


My son studies current affair writing at BA, mainly to touch up his writing skills related to news and personal impression and feeling on some hot issues locally and internationally. Good for English and Liberal Studies. After the cource, he overcomes the fear of writing as he came from CMI primary school (中文小學).

Another one is N, N more focus on drilling on past exam papers on HKCEE, GCSE etc, more exam oriented.

Sorry, I have no idea about good NSS Chinese tuition class.

[ 本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 11-1-17 10:30 編輯 ]
作者: 88muimui    時間: 10-7-27 08:32

Dear ANChan59,  

Grateful if you would PM the tutorial details to me as well.  Thanks very much.

原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-7-27 02:22 發表


My son studies current affair writing at BA, mainly to touch up his writing skills related to news and personal impression and feeling on some hot issues locally and internationally. Good for Englis ...
作者: fanny4    時間: 10-7-27 10:20

原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-7-27 02:22 發表


My son studies current affair writing at BA, mainly to touch up his writing skills related to news and personal impression and feeling on some hot issues locally and internationally. Good for Englis ...


Dear Mr. Chan,

Can you please pm me the information of these
two tutorial class also, thanks a lot!
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-7-27 10:48

原帖由 fanny4 於 10-7-27 10:20 發表
Dear Mr. Chan,
Can you please pm me the information of these
two tutorial class also, thanks a lot!


Check your pm
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-7-27 10:49

原帖由 88muimui 於 10-7-27 08:32 發表
Dear ANChan59,  

Grateful if you would PM the tutorial details to me as well.  Thanks very much.


Check your pm
作者: 蘇太    時間: 10-7-27 11:15

原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-7-16 09:18 發表
Just an update of my son's final decision: He goes for Pre-IB and then IBDP, even he can go to pure or mixed science streams. His rationales are:

1. Elite students go for mixed stream like Phy + Chem ...


"1. Elite students go for mixed stream like Phy + Chem + Econ; Chem + Bio + Econ. For electives, very similar to IB's combination. This year, top 3 students and most top 30 students opt for IB;"

ANChan59,
如此說，是否選 Phy+Chem+Econ 比選 Phy+Chem+Bio 更有優勢？
作者: Ansonmum    時間: 10-7-27 13:48

原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-7-27 02:22 發表


My son studies current affair writing at BA, mainly to touch up his writing skills related to news and personal impression and feeling on some hot issues locally and internationally. Good for Englis ...


Hi AnChan59,

Can you please let me know the names of the two English tutorial centers?  BTW, your son is now studying in DBS?

Thanks!
Ansonmum
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-7-27 17:04     標題: 回覆 2# 蘇太 的文章

I can't say why they choose the stream, I can only share with you about my son's preference.

Chemistry is compulsory for Medicine, my son also loves Bio-technology and Genetic study, so Biology is an obvious choice. He also loves Finance and Global business, so Economic also a good choice.

In short, most kids pick subjects to boarder their choices in university and career in the future.
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-7-27 17:24     標題: 回覆 2# Ansonmum 的文章

Check your pm,
作者: 88muimui    時間: 10-7-27 19:35

Your information is very useful.  Thanks very much.

原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-7-27 02:22 發表


My son studies current affair writing at BA, mainly to touch up his writing skills related to news and personal impression and feeling on some hot issues locally and internationally. Good for Englis ...
作者: EDIDI    時間: 10-7-29 17:33

原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-7-27 02:22 發表


My son studies current affair writing at BA, mainly to touch up his writing skills related to news and personal impression and feeling on some hot issues locally and internationally. Good for Englis ...


Hi ANChan59,
Would u mind telling me the info of the  two tutorial classes? My son has the same problem.
This post is so useful for parents deciding whether go to NSS or IB. Great!
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-7-29 18:11     標題: 回覆 1# EDIDI 的文章

Check your pm.

Really surprised me so many parents interested in this topic. I may post another one related to the IBDP bridging program in the future.
作者: EDIDI    時間: 10-7-30 02:19

原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-7-29 18:11 發表
Check your pm.

Really surprised me so many parents interested in this topic. I may post another one related to the IBDP bridging program in the future.


Thank you so much! You are so nice sharing with us. Looking forward to your advice for studying IBDP.
作者: bc80469    時間: 10-7-31 18:00

Hi ANChan59
Could u PM me the eng tutorial details.  Many thanks in advance.
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-7-31 22:32     標題: 回覆 1# bc80469 的文章

Pls check your pm.
作者: Chole    時間: 10-8-1 23:54

Really appreciate your sharing.  I am also struggling with IB or NSS.  Some people says if you do not do well in IB, unlike the other public exams you can't repeat since IB is a continuous assessment.  Do you have any ideas?

Grateful if you could also pm me the tutorial centres for English.  

Many thanks!
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-8-1 23:59

原帖由 Chole 於 10-8-1 23:54 發表
Really appreciate your sharing.  I am also struggling with IB or NSS.  Some people says if you do not do well in IB, unlike the other public exams you can't repeat since IB is a continuous assessment. ...


Pls check your pm.

I will check the repeater issue and share with you later. I hope my son no need to repeat.
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-8-2 00:28

I find a link as follow:

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1330689

They discussed about re-take the IBDP examination in UK.

1. You can retake the exam;
2. Top universities won't accept retake results; and
3. Second tiers or below universities will consider.
作者: Chole    時間: 10-8-2 11:47

Thank you for your assistance.  Surely we don't want our kids to retake, but just want to understand the options available.

Thank you again!

原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-8-1 23:59 發表


Pls check your pm.

I will check the repeater issue and share with you later. I hope my son no need to repeat.
作者: ycl    時間: 10-8-2 15:15

You are so nice. Appreciated if you can PM me the details of the tutoral courses.
Thanks
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-8-2 17:34     標題: 回覆 1# ycl 的文章

Check your pm.

It's my pleasure.
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-8-2 17:55

原帖由 Chole 於 10-8-2 11:47 發表
Thank you for your assistance.  Surely we don't want our kids to retake, but just want to understand the options available.


i guess your kid studies either in SPCC or DBS. Both schools only offer elite and suitable students to take the IBDP program, I can't see your kid will have any problem.

Put LPCUWC as an example, they took some very good studnts from both DBS and SPCC. Now, those high calibre kids will stay in both DSS schools. Of course, LPCUWC still can fill those places with equivalent capable students from other schools.
作者: fatymama    時間: 10-8-2 22:46     標題: 回覆 4# Chole 的文章

對不起，有事請教，真道書院提供的課程說又可考local exam, 又可sit for IB exam, 不知你有否聽聞，對此間學校又有什麼評價？
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-8-2 23:36

原帖由 fatymama 於 10-8-2 22:46 發表
對不起，有事請教，真道書院提供的課程說又可考local exam, 又可sit for IB exam, 不知你有否聽聞，對此間學校又有什麼評價？


No one can handle IB and NSS at the same time, total different curriulum. A school like DBS and SPCC will offer both NSS and IB, but student only choose any one stream and not both.

真道書院 Typical "IB approach" school.......
Sorry no comment.
作者: fpchk    時間: 10-8-4 17:08

Dear AnChan,
Thanks for your sharing and it is very useful.
Please help to PM me the info of the tutorial centre.
Thank you very much indeed.
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-8-4 18:16     標題: 回覆 1# fpchk 的文章

Check your pm
作者: Christi    時間: 10-8-6 01:30

hello ANChan59,

just read an article posted by another mami ...

http://timesonline.typepad.com/schoolgate/2009/08/ib-versus-a-levels-the-truth-about-studying-for-the-international-baccalaureate.html

i do concern the following comment :
'IB doesn’t get the recognition it deserves, especially in the UK'

really?
would like to know your point of view. thanks a lot .
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-8-6 17:25

原帖由 Christi 於 10-8-6 01:30 發表
hello ANChan59,

just read an article posted by another mami ...

http://timesonline.typepad.com/schoolgate/2009/08/ib-versus-a-levels-the-truth-about-studying-for-the-international-baccalaureate.html ...


Add another few articles also from UK related to IB and AL. Have wider and fair comments for us to consider to minimise "Miscomprehension".

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/schools/international-baccalaureate-why-the-broad-ib-beats-alevels-395262.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/benefits-of-the-ib-exam-581914.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/5156108.stm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-10725910

My understanding, students with expected score from their IB schools to apply university admission through UCAS (英國聯招、等同香港JUPAS) and based on that they may have a chance for interivew. After interview, the universities will notify the student the conditional offer. those students had an offer with higher score offer may not perform well in the interview. That's what I heard from the Oxbridge Admission Officers in last year's admission seminars in HK.

43       Excellent expected score with under-par interview performance
38-42  Excellent expected score with very good interview performance
Below 38 No chance for interview, Oxbridge (劍橋及牛津大學) stated that their admission based on purely academic not like US system.

In UK, GCE AL with 3As ~30%, 3As only not necessary will have a chance for interview.

[ 本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 11-1-17 10:36 編輯 ]
作者: Christi    時間: 10-8-7 07:09

Good morning and thanks.
作者: father_ho    時間: 10-8-7 17:59

Dear ANChan59,

Please PM me both of the tutorials centre if possible. Thanks in advance.
作者: cowboymama    時間: 10-8-10 21:30

Hi ANChan59,

Would you mind also PM me details of the two tutorial centres? Besides, what's your comments/ impressions on SPCC's IB course? Any differences between DBS and SPCC's IB course? Many thanks for your sharing.

Cowboymama
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-8-11 08:23     標題: 回覆 2# father_ho 的文章

I am out of town right now, email to you next week.
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-8-11 08:46

原帖由 cowboymama 於 10-8-10 21:30 發表
Hi ANChan59,
Besides, what's your comments/ impressions on SPCC's IB course? Any differences between DBS and SPCC's IB course?


It's unfair to comment on both schools as they are new in IBDP, and SPCC just start the pre-IB program this Sept. I just share what I know so far, may be other parents can share their experience or thoughts.


I hope not to confuse you more......................

[ 本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 10-8-11 08:49 編輯 ]
作者: cowboymama    時間: 10-8-12 11:04

Hi ANChan59,

Thank you very much for your valuable sharing. Though my boy is only a F1 student this coming Sept, your first-hand info and sharing are of very good reference to me in the future.

Wish your boy have a wonderful year in IB course in his school!!

Cowboymama


原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-8-11 08:46 發表


It's unfair to comment on both schools as they are new in IBDP, and SPCC just start the pre-IB program this Sept. I just share what I know so far, may be other parents can share their experience or  ...
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-8-15 07:52     標題: 回覆 1# cowboymama 的文章

Thanks.

Good & detail planning in Education is a must in HK, too many dramatic changes in the last decade.
作者: cowboymama    時間: 10-8-16 11:26

Hi ANChan59,

Already received your PM re Eng tuition centres. Many thanks.
Have a nice day!

Cowboymama
作者: choco6688    時間: 10-8-17 10:45

Hi ANChan59,

I would like to know the name of the two tutorial centres also. Kindly PM me.  Thanks !!
作者: Coco33    時間: 10-8-17 12:42

Dear ANChan59,

May I have the details of the two tutorial centres too.
Thanks in advance.

Coco33
作者: peremum    時間: 10-8-17 12:50     標題: 回覆 6# ANChan59 的文章

Very informative paragraph, thanks!

I have a question.  Does IB Diploma program has a min. entry age?
作者: SaSaMummy    時間: 10-8-17 20:44

ANChan59,

Can I have the tutorial detail as well? Thanks.


原帖由 bc80469 於 10-7-31 18:00 發表
Hi ANChan59
Could u PM me the eng tutorial details.  Many thanks in advance.
作者: tingtingting    時間: 10-8-18 14:35

Hi ANChan59,

Extremely useful sharing. BK is a better place because of parents like you.

Could you also PM me info of the two learning centres.  Many thanks.
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-8-19 18:14

原帖由 peremum 於 10-8-17 12:50 發表
Very informative paragraph, thanks!

I have a question.  Does IB Diploma program has a min. entry age?


From ibo.org:
PYP - 3-12
MYP - 11-16
IBDP - 16-19
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-8-19 18:28

I strongly recommend parents to go to http://www.ibo.org/ and search for more info and not just listen to hearesays, even my info.

Different kids and different families have different choices.

For this post, my initial thought was sharing the struggles we had to make the rational and sensible decision - NSS vs IBDP. I won't say I am the expert on this topic, I am only one of parents face the struggle and start to share here (Senior Secondary School sub-forum 高中教育). I can see more to come.

If you search within BK's search engine, you can find some post related to IB, scattered among 'International School 國際學校", "Primary School 小學教育" etc... You can also search in Google or other search engine with keywords IB, IBDP, IB vs AP, IB vs AL... try different combinations, you may find something interesting.

[ 本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 11-1-17 10:42 編輯 ]
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-8-19 18:32

I also received some parents pm me to ask questions or my comment related to some claimed "IB Approach" schools in HK. Personally, I don't like this misleading claims. If they claimed to be IB, must show us they are listed in IBO website, even IB (國際文憑) -PYP (小學課程), or MYP (中學課程) or DP (文憑課程). Don't just claim for years and nothing happen.

[ 本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 11-1-17 10:44 編輯 ]
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-8-19 18:37

原帖由 tingtingting 於 10-8-18 14:35 發表
Hi ANChan59,
Extremely useful sharing. BK is a better place because of parents like you.


Why you say so?

I can see some parents work very hard to share something very useful and insightful here?????
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-8-19 19:19     標題: 回覆 5# tingtingting 的文章

Check your pm
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-8-19 19:20     標題: 回覆 7# SaSaMummy 的文章

Check your pm
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-8-19 19:21     標題: 回覆 10# Coco33 的文章

Check your pm
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-8-19 19:22     標題: 回覆 12# choco6688 的文章

Check your pm
作者: sweetyboy    時間: 10-8-20 00:55

Dear ANChan59,

May I have the name of both Eng tutorial centres too.
Thank you so much !
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-8-20 08:43     標題: 回覆 1# sweetyboy 的文章

Check your pm
作者: fatfatbaby    時間: 10-8-20 10:47

Hi ANChan59,

I also want to know the name of the two tutorial centres also. Kindly PM me.  Thanks !!


原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-8-20 08:43 發表
Check your pm
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-8-20 11:00     標題: 回覆 1# fatfatbaby 的文章

Check your pm
作者: SaSaMummy    時間: 10-8-20 14:55

Hi AN Chan,

Thanks for all your sharing that's really helpful and useful to me.

Do you think BA is good for writing?

I have a silly question.
After you took the pre-IB course for one year, if you change your mind, can you switch back to the NSS course?
I know a lot of kids who couldn’t get good result from CE exam this year. They switch to NSS F5 and will take NSS exam in F6.

What will be your comment to study and attend GCE O level and GCE A level in Hong Kong? My girl’s school offer a choice between NSS and GCE A level exam two years later.


Thanks.

原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-8-20 11:00 發表
Check your pm
作者: peremum    時間: 10-8-20 15:11

I suggest IGCSE & GCE AL
作者: SaSaMummy    時間: 10-8-20 15:40

Hi Peremum,
Any special reason?
Thanks.

原帖由 peremum 於 10-8-20 15:11 發表
I suggest IGCSE & GCE AL
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-8-20 16:13

原帖由 SaSaMummy 於 10-8-20 14:55 發表
Do you think BA is good for writing?

I have a silly question.
After you took the pre-IB course for one year, if you change your mind, can you switch back to the NSS course?
I know a lot of kids who couldn’t get good result from CE exam this year. They switch to NSS F5 and will take NSS exam in F6.

What will be your comment to study and attend GCE O level and GCE A level in Hong Kong? My girl’s school offer a choice between NSS and GCE A level exam two years later.


Yes, I see BA is good for writing skills.

IB & NSS have different curricullum and teaching methods, that's why we need to study them carefully to make a better choice.

Most IB students plan to study aboard and I assume your daughter will study in overseas university. If that's the case, worst come to the worst, I echo Peremum's suggestion - IGCSE + GCE AL. My rationale is IGCSE & GCE AL relatively easier than NSS toscore better grade and she is no need to be seen as loser in IB.

Back to the initial question - Why IB & not NSS?

If you or your daughter have uncertainty, stick to NSS. Play safe.

[ 本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 10-8-20 16:18 編輯 ]
作者: peremum    時間: 10-8-20 16:31     標題: 回覆 2# SaSaMummy 的文章

Generally speaking, GCE system is easier for a HK student to get good grades, while University (esp. UK & Canada) view them on par as HKCE & HKAL.
So, my friends who have kids in middle/high school of NSS (my own kids are yet too young for that) normally plan to take the IGCSE at F.4/5 & AS/AL at F5/6, as a safety net.
作者: SaSaMummy    時間: 10-8-20 19:05

Dear AC CHAN and Peremum,

Thanks for the valuable advice and sharing.

My girl is in F2 right now.
Her school compulsory asks them to join GCE O level at F4. After that they will provide two years education on between GCE A level and NSS.

They didn’t offer IB course but if we get good result in O level, it’s not difficult to apply IB course in other schools (same as students nowadays)




For university, I will choose the best one among HK, UK or Canada according to her examination result. It’s a hot topic for all parents to compare GCE A level and NSS.

I would like to know more to make best choice for my girl.

原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-8-20 16:13 發表


Yes, I see BA is good for writing skills.

IB & NSS have different curricullum and teaching methods, that's why we need to study them carefully to make a better choice.

Most IB students plan to st ...
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-8-20 20:05     標題: 回覆 1# SaSaMummy 的文章

St Paul Convent has similar arrangement, IGCSE -> either NSS or GCE AL.

It's a good move for students.
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-8-20 20:15     標題: 回覆 2# SaSaMummy 的文章

"My girl is in F2 right now.
Her school compulsory asks them to join GCE O level at F4. After that they will provide two years education on between GCE A level and NSS.

They didn’t offer IB course but if we get good result in O level, it’s not difficult to apply IB course in other schools (same as students nowadays) "

You need to check with different schools for IB admission requirements. For SPCC, you are no need to have IGCSE O-level, you only hand in your school results with ECA results for application. They will shortlist for written exam and interview, she will apply at F3 and start with Pre-IB and then IBDP.

Other IB providers may be IS, ESF and some DSS schools. If you can afford, change schooling next year for IB (MYP,IBDP), no need to go for O-level and wait for exam results.
作者: SaSaMummy    時間: 10-8-20 21:09     標題: 回覆 90# ANChan59 的文章

Thanks for your advice.
It’s quite difficult to ask her to change to other school.  We have the chance last year but she really doesn’t want to change at all.  She wants to stay with her friends (10 years friends) . I think the only possible to change is after GCE O-leave or at F6.
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-8-20 21:56     標題: 回覆 1# SaSaMummy 的文章

My son had the same situation in primary school. He got a golden opportunity to go to an EMI primary school (英文小學) at P3, he turned it down because he wanted to stay with friends.

He is willing to take IB instead of NSS, because pain of no change greater than pain of change. He is really frustrated by the local curriculum.

[ 本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 11-1-17 10:47 編輯 ]
作者: peremum    時間: 10-8-21 11:51     標題: 回復 5# SaSaMummy 的帖子

Your girl's school has good arrangement.  For an above average girl, IGCSE at F4 should not be a problem.  Then you can decide.  At least for the coming few years, I am sure that Universities in HK & overseas will feel more confident with results from GCE & IB.  At least they know from experiences what they are getting.
作者: SaSaMummy    時間: 10-8-21 13:46     標題: 回復 92# ANChan59 的帖子 and Peremum

AC Chan,
Sometimes, I can't force her to change to other school as she has a lot of friends and the environment is fine.
One more question, when we apply local university, do you know if A-level will be in the same line as IB?

Peremum,
Most of parents in senior form will choose A-level instead of NSS in her school.
I attended A-level exam and I fully understand what is it.
I try my best to understand more about IB and NSS to make better choice.
作者: peremum    時間: 10-8-21 14:25     標題: 回復 1# SaSaMummy 的帖子

You are really a caring mum & do your best to path the way for you child(ren).  I am sure she will appreciate all that you do for her.
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-8-21 14:26     標題: 回復 94# SaSaMummy 的帖子

I shared some comments in post 1 (JUPUS vs Non-JUPAS) related to the question you raised. Also refer to the third post reply #3 (教育王國 » 保良局蔡繼有學校 » 關於IB的疑問  Post#3), a lecturer or professor shared his comment and observation, which similar to my friends comment.

University Admission Officer may prefer IB, as the standard and training are matched with university learning environment, like essay, lab work, presentation etc.

I also attached some links within BK which are related to IB program.

http://forum.edu-kingdom.com/vie ... &page=1#pid33069933
教育王國 » 高中教育 » What is IB course ?

http://forum.edu-kingdom.com/vie ... &page=1#pid33069593
教育王國 » 教育政策 » IB vs 334

http://forum.edu-kingdom.com/vie ... &page=2#pid33070125
教育王國 » 保良局蔡繼有學校 » 關於IB的疑問  Post#3

http://forum.edu-kingdom.com/vie ... &page=1#pid33072745
教育王國 » 小一選校 » 傳統教學 VS IB教學 WHICH ONE IS BETTER?

http://forum.edu-kingdom.com/vie ... &page=1#pid33069697
教育王國 » 小一選校 » hk邊間國際學校IB學費最平呀?

You may find more links, pls share with us here. I omit some links as most info are repeated.

Add two more links:

http://forum.edu-kingdom.com/viewthread.php?tid=2147526
教育王國 » 國際學校 » Problem in taking IB

http://forum.edu-kingdom.com/viewthread.php?tid=2146706
教育王國 » 國際學校 » IB discussions


[ 本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 10-8-21 22:59 編輯 ]
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-8-23 18:18

Any parents in DBS or SPCC or other DSS schools share their thoughts in IBDP vs NSS???
作者: 2kidsmom    時間: 10-8-26 09:42     標題: 回覆 16# ANChan59 的文章

Ｉ would also like to have the details of 2 tutorial centres. Ｋindly pm me. Ｔhx a lot.


2kidsmom
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-8-26 16:20

原帖由 2kidsmom 於 10-8-26 09:42 發表
Ｉ would also like to have the details of 2 tutorial centres. Ｋindly pm me. Ｔhx a lot.
2kidsmom


Check your pm
作者: 2kidsmom    時間: 10-8-28 10:30

thx very much.


2kidsmom


原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-8-26 16:20 發表


Check your pm




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