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標題: 急:聖類斯被降為中中了!還應該選擇她嗎? [打印本頁]
作者: fishman10hk    時間: 09-12-15 23:14     標題: 急:聖類斯被降為中中了!還應該選擇她嗎?

小兒明年將入讀聖類斯小學P1, 原本是希望升中時有直屬英中做Backup, 但現在中學被降呢為中中了, 
(1) 這對我小兒影響大嗎? 
(2) 小學部的英文水平會否受到影響?
(3) 中學部的Banding會否由現時Band2 頭下降? 

很心急想聽聽大家的意見.
作者: iantsang    時間: 09-12-16 00:09

St. Louis is still going to use English as medium of instruction.  It is not changing to a CMI school.  I think there are some confusions during news report which need to be clarified.

What going to happen is they will have ONE class only using Chinese to help those students who may not be totally suitable to be taught in English.  Everything will be the same, the school is still an EMI, not CMI.

Primary section won't be affected as the changes in secondary section is much smaller as it may have been reported.

Finally, I don't think a school having over 80% of students admitted in the top 40% of entire HK is a band 2 school.....


原帖由 fishman10hk 於 09-12-15 23:14 發表
小兒明年將入讀聖類斯小學P1, 原本是希望升中時有直屬英中做Backup, 但現在中學被降呢為中中了,
(1) 這對我小兒影響大嗎?
(2) 小學部的英文水平會否受到影響?
(3) 中學部的Banding會否由現時Band2 頭下降?

很 ...
作者: mrs.aj    時間: 09-12-16 18:19

好好既分析,你好似好熟sls咁 wor,未請教! 我個女都係讀聖心既,佢係nca.
作者: leoncf    時間: 09-12-17 00:34

你應該找幾日放學時站在校外觀察其校風。再者SLS是理科為主不合文科生。至於小學部將會轉向資優生教育，你應向小學部問清楚2010小一是否已開始收資優生。
原帖由 fishman10hk 於 09-12-15 23:14 發表
小兒明年將入讀聖類斯小學P1, 原本是希望升中時有直屬英中做Backup, 但現在中學被降呢為中中了,
(1) 這對我小兒影響大嗎?
(2) 小學部的英文水平會否受到影響?
(3) 中學部的Banding會否由現時Band2 頭下降?

很 ...
作者: iantsang    時間: 09-12-17 13:51

Hi mrs. aj, I remember your nickname from SHCK's forum.  My daughter is studying in NCBpm.

I know quite well of the development because I am an old boy of SLS.   I am also one of the many dedicated old boys who regularly help to organize events for the current students so we understand quite well of the current environment.




原帖由 mrs.aj 於 09-12-16 18:19 發表
好好既分析,你好似好熟sls咁 wor,未請教! 我個女都係讀聖心既,佢係nca.
作者: fishman10hk    時間: 09-12-17 22:05     標題: 回覆 5# iantsang 的文章

多謝你的分析

我所擔心的是惡性循環問題, (降呢) 後中學吸引唔到band1生進入, 跌band祇怕是遲早之事, 今天的聖類斯中學頗有昔日觀塘名英中 - 聖若瑟英文中學 的影子, 轉為中中後現在祇能掙扎於band3邊緣了, 你認為可能性大嗎?

此外,至今仍然見不到校方有任何應變計劃及回應, 莫非等著坐以待斃? 
作者: iantsang    時間: 09-12-17 23:38

hi fishman10hk,

I won't worry this issue will happen, mainly due to the differences of students allocation in the Central & Western district:

Currently, there are 12 secondary schools in the district, where 10 of them are EMI (including St. Louis which is still an EMI), and only two are CMI.  Moreover, 3 of the other EMI are Direct Subsidized schools so their students sources are including those outside of the district.  So basically all the EMI are competing with each other to fight for as many band 1 & 2 students as possible from the own district.  What happened with St. Louis is simply because it is a rather low profile school so it is less popular as a choice for parents who are outside of the district.  Due to that reason, less Band 1 from outside of Central & Western district are being attracted so they fail short on achieving the enough top 40% students from the entire HK to open all English classes, but I can tell you they just missed it by very very thin margin......

Anyway, the philosophy of the school itself is to give opportunity to students from all levels and from different background to be given a fair opportunity to be educated, and provide good moral training.  If we assume other EMI are attracting better P6 students than SLS, then you will be surprised that the public results are rather similar by reading each schools' annual reports.  So, students in SLS actually got the best improvement and this is the essence of how the school has been run the past 80 years.

For your information, there are already a lot going on at the moment and I can show you the following message already being distributed by the old boys association.  There are huge supports being done by many many dedicated old boys who wanna give back to the school - this tells you clearly what sort of quality of students this school has been able to developed.


[url=]St. Louis is and will be an English School – Clarification of Fine-tuning[/url]



During the past few days, there has been a lot of reporting in relation to “Fine-tuning”in the media.  We want to clarify any mis-represented news with St. Louis School in this Newsletter.  We would also like to take this opportunity to share with you recent updates on our Alma Mater.



I. St. Louis will continue to be an English School:


Under the “Fine-tuning” policy, we understand that the in-coming Secondary 1 students of St. Louis will be divided into 5 classes and 4 of them will be taught with English as a medium of teaching for ALL subjects (except Chinese Language and Chinese History). The remaining class (“Fine Tuning Class”) will still adopt English as medium of teaching for Mathematics and Integrated Science.  In other words, the actual change is in fact minimal.



Such an arrangement is applied only to Secondary 1- Secondary 3.  When students are promoted to Secondary 4, ALL 5 classes will use English as a medium of instruction for ALL subjects, just like what St. Louis has done in the past decades.
In summary only minimum (5%) change from the current full English curriculum:


Form 4-6
5 full English classes: ALL subjects in English except Chinese Language


Form 1-3
4 full English classes: ALL subjects in English except Chinese Language and Chinese History
1 "fine-tuned" class: Math (Eng), Integrated Science (Eng), History/Geography/Computer/Bible (Chin)





II. St. Louis has made outstanding achievements:  



“Fine-tuning” is based on INPUT (ranking of students in Secondary 1) rather than OUTPUT (results attained in Secondary 5 & 7).  St. Louis’ recent output has shown substantial value-added and is at least comparable to other neighboring English boy schools in some key measures.  Information below is mainly based on the school reports of St. Louis and its English peer boy schools (available on the internet).





III. Moving forward – old boys’ support


Don Bosco turned the underprivileged children into most responsible citizens; St. Louis has followed this spirit for 80 years. Many of our most successful old boys came from underprivileged families.  Some of them are late bloomers.


We should recognize there are significant changes in the education environment in Hong Kong in recent years. St. Louis is facing tremendous challenges, but all other leading schools are in the same position.


SLOBA has been dedicating resources among old boys to support St. Louis students. This is one of the most exceptional contributing factors to the high value added success. We have been taught in an all rounded system with flexibility in St Louis.  We should move on with confidence. Your continual support will be of significant importance to the future development of our school.






原帖由 fishman10hk 於 09-12-17 22:05 發表
多謝你的分析

我所擔心的是惡性循環問題, (降呢) 後中學吸引唔到band1生進入, 跌band祇怕是遲早之事, 今天的聖類斯中學頗有昔日觀塘名英中 - 聖若瑟英文中學 的影子, 轉為中中後現在祇能掙扎於band3邊緣了, 你認為 ...
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作者: Tommy    時間: 09-12-18 01:04

原帖由 iantsang 於 09-12-17 23:38 發表
hi fishman10hk,

I won't worry this issue will happen, mainly due to the differences of students allocation in the Central & Western district:

Currently, there are 12 secondary schools in the distric ...


iantsang,

據我所知，所有慈幼會的中學都會預留85%學位給直屬的小學，以貫徹鮑思高神父的教育精神，他們不會因為要爭取「好」學生，而放棄「教好」一個平凡的學生。

很多學校都放棄了這個85，聖類斯仍有這個堅持嗎？好的東西要堅持呀！不要因為世界變、人心變而放棄一些重要的核心價值。

祝您們繼續堅持要教「好」一個人，堅持要去改變一個人，而唔係用一些叻人去改變間學校。

Tommy
作者: iantsang    時間: 09-12-18 23:46

Hi Tommy,

Have you studied in a Salesians school also?  Seems you understand very well the philosophy of the organization.  Thank you very much for stating out this and remind us that we shouldn't be worried too much.  Since all along, we always have  a good balance of students and the intention is to give everyone a good chance for their future.  We are not like other schools who strategically alter their own school philosophy like a commercial organization.  Thanks again!

Also, must make it clear that we are still keeping the 85% policy.  However, I understand there have been some mis-understandings from the primary school parents that they may feel the secondary section is not honoring this acceptance method.  I can assure them it is in writing, and we MUST follow it.  I believe there must be confusions mainly due to the complication of the allocation by the EDB.

I can assure the SLS primary parents, if SLS is your first choice in the list of schools, and the students belong to either Band 1 & 2, they will all be accepted to the secondary section (the primary section runs small classes now).  The school management have no authorizations to alter this.


原帖由 Tommy 於 09-12-18 01:04 發表


iantsang,

據我所知，所有慈幼會的中學都會預留85%學位給直屬的小學，以貫徹鮑思高神父的教育精神，他們不會因為要爭取「好」學生，而放棄「教好」一個平凡的學生。

很多學校都放棄了這個85，聖類斯仍有這個堅持嗎？好的東西 ...
作者: iantsang    時間: 09-12-18 23:48

Hi sysadmin,

Thanks for the positive comments!  I agree with you as there is a difference between freedom and self-discipline.  Of course, this is affected by the society where common understandings of such values may not be the same.

Thanks for your support!  I also believe the school can become stronger!



原帖由 sysadmin 於 09-12-18 00:44 發表
現在聖 louis 的學生其實亦應自强ar....街外人看不見校內的教育...看不見學生的能力....卻總看他們的外表....不修邊幅....沒有一致整齊的校服及髮式等....不是每人都能有足夠的見識...了解st louis 自由與自律的校風 ...
作者: iantsang    時間: 09-12-18 23:50

Hi fishman10hk,

You may find the link to the press release by the school to answer your queries.  I hope it has addressed your concerns.

http://www.stlouis.edu.hk/LanguagePolicy.pdf



原帖由 fishman10hk 於 09-12-17 22:05 發表
多謝你的分析

我所擔心的是惡性循環問題, (降呢) 後中學吸引唔到band1生進入, 跌band祇怕是遲早之事, 今天的聖類斯中學頗有昔日觀塘名英中 - 聖若瑟英文中學 的影子, 轉為中中後現在祇能掙扎於band3邊緣了, 你認為 ...
作者: fishman10hk    時間: 09-12-22 17:05     標題: 回覆 13# iantsang 的文章

Hi iantsang,

Thank you for your valuable information, I am now more confident of this school. :)  I am hoping for the next chance to share with you, the old boy of St. Louis.

Marry X'mas and Happy new year!
作者: iantsang    時間: 09-12-23 11:38

Hi fisherman10hk,

I am glad to know that you have now more confident towards the school.

I wish you and your family a wonderful Christmas and a prosperous New Year!



原帖由 fishman10hk 於 09-12-22 17:05 發表
Hi iantsang,

Thank you for your valuable information, I am now more confident of this school. :)  I am hoping for the next chance to share with you, the old boy of St. Louis.

Marry X'mas and Happy  ...
作者: hifing    時間: 10-1-3 20:46

2010 / 11 學年部份「落車」中學

2009 HKCEE


( Distinct + Credit ) / Candidate


14 points or more from best 6 subjects


Hong Kong


ST Louis


2.95


55.1%


Kowloon


Our Lady's


2.14


41.3%


N. T.


Immaculate Heart of Mary


2.80


54.5%


Kwok Tak Seng


1.97


53.0%


Yuen Long Public


1.90


37.1%


I got this info. from another thread. If it is true, St. Louise's HKCEE examination result seem to be far below the expectation.
作者: breefan    時間: 10-1-4 11:18

記得當年 st. louis 險被踢出百多間英中之列,
後上訴得直,
而同系的慈幼就冇咁好彩!
但慈幼並冇放棄 ...
偷步用英文, 小學力谷...
年年升上st paul co-ed, 張祝珊 ... 大有人在!

其實依家st. louis 的情況應該有當年慈幼咁worst,
所以st. louis 當務之急係谷好小學,
仲要secure d 叻學生上中學





原帖由 hifing 於 10-1-3 20:46 發表
2010 / 11 學年部份「落車」中學

2009 HKCEE
( Distinct + Credit ) / Candidate
14 points or more from best 6 subjects
Hong Kong
ST Louis
2.95
55.1%
Kowloon
Our Lady's
2.14
41.3%
N. T.
Immaculate Heart o ...
作者: fsforth    時間: 10-1-4 23:05

原帖由 hifing 於 10-1-3 20:46 發表
2010 / 11 學年部份「落車」中學

2009 HKCEE
( Distinct + Credit ) / Candidate
14 points or more from best 6 subjects
Hong Kong
ST Louis
2.95
55.1%
Kowloon
Our Lady's
2.14
41.3%
N. T.
Immaculate Heart o ...


其實也不算是太差, 如果同St. Paul 比:
聖保羅書院  (推算上年6科14分約佔58%, 今年46.39%)
http://forum.edu-kingdom.com/viewthread.php?tid=2141081&page=1&extra=#pid32197545

在語言方面的確是有改進的空間, 語言基礎好, 讀其他科目自然事半功倍
作者: hifing    時間: 10-1-6 16:56

Where do u get the HKCEE result for St. Paul Boys as I am considering to apply this school for my boy?  But if your info. is correct, then both St. Louis and St. Paul are equally bad in this aspect.
作者: leoncf    時間: 10-1-7 02:45

SLS的小學是直資的所以不夠津小爭。小學收生不足，而且有D小學家長好自私經常干預學校的教學。如果小學校長可以強硬一些會對小學部的發展有幫助。至於中學部，我只能說SLS是教人的。如果你的小朋友是Band 1 中QC一定無，KC就算入到會有機會因自覺性不足而追不上。SLS是最好的選擇，起碼讀完出社會會是一個頂天立地的男子漢。不過SLS的學生傳統上只重理科，如果文科生就不應考慮SLS。
原帖由 breefan 於 10-1-4 11:18 發表
記得當年 st. louis 險被踢出百多間英中之列,
後上訴得直,
而同系的慈幼就冇咁好彩!
但慈幼並冇放棄 ...
偷步用英文, 小學力谷...
年年升上st paul co-ed, 張祝珊 ... 大有人在!

其實依家st. louis 的情況應該有當 ...
作者: fsforth    時間: 10-1-7 10:35

原帖由 hifing 於 10-1-6 16:56 發表
Where do u get the HKCEE result for St. Paul Boys as I am considering to apply this school for my boy?  But if your info. is correct, then both St. Louis and St. Paul are equally bad in this aspect.


我都係quote khmama 個topic, 你可以去上一個post click 番入條link 睇睇, 其實, 如果你想了解一間學校, 最好自己上學校web site download 番個 school report, lunch time 時間去睇下學生行為去了解下校風

這是最update 既SP report:
http://www.spc.edu.hk/docs/SchoolReport0809.pdf

如果有好成績既學校, 多數直接寫出HKCEE credit rate 再加 14分以上 percentage. 一旦某年成績唔好, 就會巧妙地present 個data 出來

以St. Paul 個 report 為例:

睇呢D report 就要自己計下數, 香港F.6收生要求第一round 要有14分以上, assume St. Paul F.6 都是同一要求

08/09年度, 只得80%中六位是收原校生, 中六total 有89人, that means 得71人是由原校中五班來的

中五有152人, 71/152 = 46.8% 有14分以上而又選擇原校升中六 (Assume St Paul 唔收14分以下)
而SLS 中六一向第一日首輪已經收夠學生, 絕不收外來生

khmama 估46.x% maybe underestimated, 因為由個report  63%中五生在本地讀中六 (大約96人), 25% 出國留學 (大約38人), 我會覺得兩間學校成績相差不大, 14分以上大約 5x%.

[ 本帖最後由 fsforth 於 10-1-7 11:00 編輯 ]
作者: fsforth    時間: 10-1-7 10:58

原帖由 leoncf 於 10-1-7 02:45 發表
SLS的小學是直資的所以不夠津小爭。小學收生不足，而且有D小學家長好自私經常干預學校的教學。如果小學校長可以強硬一些會對小學部的發展有幫助。至於中學部，我只能說SLS是教人的。如果你的小朋友是Band 1 中QC一定無，KC ...


SLS 小學是私校, 不是直資, 兩班共50人, 升中一時Band1頭學生多另謀出路, Band3的也不能原校直升, 除頭除尾不足40人, 所以中一大部分都是外來生

我同意你的意見, 如果小朋友成績是band1中至尾, 留在SLS上中學是一個正確的決定
作者: hifing    時間: 10-1-8 13:40

原帖由 fsforth 於 10-1-7 10:35 發表


我都係quote khmama 個topic, 你可以去上一個post click 番入條link 睇睇, 其實, 如果你想了解一間學校, 最好自己上學校web site download 番個 school report, lunch time 時間去睇下學生行為去了解下校風

這是 ...


Hi fsforth, many thanks to your info. and I appreciate much your clear elaboration.

But how come St. Louis is downgraded if the two schools are at the similar level? I read from other post that some famous schools have over 80% in this >14 points rating.
作者: fsforth    時間: 10-1-8 16:13

原帖由 hifing 於 10-1-8 13:40 發表


Hi fsforth, many thanks to your info. and I appreciate much your clear elaboration.

But how come St. Louis is downgraded if the two schools are at the similar level? I read from other post that som ...


落車多數因為中一收生時多Band2 學生, 如果計HKCEE成績, SLS 也不是差得如外界所說.

無可否認, 一眾頂尖名校會考14分以上比率有80%以上,
換句話說, 還有10幾個%人考得很差, 為數少, 但間間學校總會有人考試失敗, 再top 我也未見過有100%.

[ 本帖最後由 fsforth 於 10-1-8 16:18 編輯 ]
作者: iantsang    時間: 10-1-9 21:51

Apple Daily refers to St. Louis as
「英中」名校聖類斯中學 now.

http://hk.apple.nextmedia.com/re ... amp;art_id=13609429

I think it is convincing even to the press that the school can handle the situation well.
作者: fishman10hk    時間: 10-1-9 23:21

Today, I attended the open forum  and than early left due to an urgent matter while the Head Master LAM was giving his presentation for about school atmosphere, e.g. students can wear their sport shore to school...

Could any parent who has attended the forum please sharing the valuable information I have missed? I will be very appreciate for your sharing!

[ 本帖最後由 fishman10hk 於 10-1-9 23:28 編輯 ]
作者: iantsang    時間: 10-1-9 23:46

May I know how is your feeling about the forum?

The video of the whole forum will be uploaded to the internet later next week.

Here's the interview with [size=150%]黎耀祥:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-FD3zckvFg               



原帖由 fishman10hk 於 10-1-9 23:21 發表
Today, I attended the open forum  and than early left due to an urgent matter while the Head Master LAM was giving his presentation for about school atmosphere, e.g. students can wear their sport sho ...

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